WTF?!? 20+ threads on Palin vs about 3 on Biden. What gives?

So, since McPain chose Palin as his veep, there have been over 20 threads on Palin on the board, versus about 3 on Biden. Most of the Palin threads have been 100% "fluff", as in ZERO real political content, but focused instead on her dress, her appearance, her "babeness" or whatever. I have been moving those to POL recently, because quite frankly, they have zero newsworthy content.

I will continue to move them, and hope that the staff will join me in that. I guess what bothers me most is that we have people buying-in to the MSM need to dissect female candidates based on irrelevant issues, an activity that's been going on since Jackie Kennedy, but seems much more pronounced as of late.

Let's stick to the more important aspects of his choice, rather than worthless fluff, k?

Thanks!

I agree wholeheartedly about the "hot babe moose hunter" BS, but one could expect a lot more activity around Palin than Biden because, frankly, Biden has become boring and a known quantity to a lot of people (at least they've heard his name a lot before so they're not as curious).

Palin came as something of a curveball, and most people have not heard about her, so there's a buzz of activity around trying to figure out who this woman really is.

Agreed 100%, and all newsworthy threads on her should remain on Main. But as for the rest?

- ya know...?

What would you expect, Dennis?

Frankly, I've been reading and talking about her not just here and online, but in the neighborhood and on the phone with F&F. Everybody has something to say. The one place we trust for opinions is the TeeVee noose. We've only got one another.

We're just digging around to find out more about her because she never really mattered before, and now she might. It has to be a concentrated effort because time is short.

It's just human nature to want to know a person, and not just a platform. If party platforms were so important, Bill Clinton would have given us NO NAFTA and George Bush would have given us a humble non-interventionist foreign policy.

Joe BIden? GIve me a break. I don't remember Washington before Joe Biden. Few do.

I dunno...perhaps she is a heck of a lot more interesting then grumpy old insider man Joe? Not too many people have given a hoot about Biden for the last 20 years, so why should that change.

Thanks Dennis, I agree that there is too much 'fluff' - much adoo about nonsense that has nothing to do with what the candidacy discussions should involve.

I would rather see some REAL substance regarding political and government matters. I do not care about what her children do, or have done. While some see their behavior as a reflection of the parents upbringing, to me that would only be true if they were not able to make their own decisions and follow their own processing/hearts.

Qualifications, political history, skills and capabilities are what really should be being considered the fodder of discussions.

Otherwise we could digress to Obama's and Bidens pants hemlines, criticize their ties and color choices, etc.

NP

I agree with the irrelevant nonsense being irrelevant nonsense. Ask yourself how many of those threads are centered on rumor-mongering of a particularly low kind, and the debunking of same.

So, lies and fluff about Obama ad nauseum are o.k. but Palin fluff gets moved? Why not just have a great big header at the top of the board defining this board as a Republican place to post prayer requests for cats, dogs and occasional people and trash Obama.

Lies and fluff about Obama? First, what fluff? Second, as to "lies;" they may be lies to you (an obvious Osama supporter), but to some of the rest of us they need to be discussed. Oh, and in case you haven't noticed, I've moved a butt-load of Obama threads too. (But I wouldn't expect you to care, since any negative information on Osama is evidently a personal affront to you.) Oh, and Osama is the PRESIDENTIAL NOMINEE, and so deservedly gets more attention than the veep candidates do (or even should).

20+ threads on Palin vs about 3 on Biden. What gives?

Click to expand...

I think it just shows how uncomfortable people are with McCain's VP choice. Most people are very comfortable with Biden, imo. Hence the disparity in thread numbers.

I use the new post feaure so it doesn't make any difference to me. I reaad the threads about Palin because the comments by our beloved liberals give me the best laughs I have had in a long time. They are going nuts trying to marginalize her and the more desperate they get the nuttier their comments.

Biden is a career crapweasel that represents everything wrong with this country.

Sarah Palin is a breath of fresh air and most importantly, is a real person.

Conrad Nimikos said:

I use the new post feaure so it doesn't make any difference to me. I reaad the threads about Palin because the comments by our beloved liberals give me the best laughs I have had in a long time. They are going nuts trying to marginalize her and the more desperate they get the nuttier their comments.

Click to expand...

see the post just above this one conrad.

energy_wave said:

I think it just shows how uncomfortable people are with McCain's VP choice. Most people are very comfortable with Biden, imo. Hence the disparity in thread numbers.

Click to expand...

Not me.I try to avoid reading anything about Blowhard Biden.Having listened enough to his blather over the years,I wish he'd just go away.

energy_wave said:

I think it just shows how uncomfortable people are with McCain's VP choice. Most people are very comfortable with Biden, imo. Hence the disparity in thread numbers.

Click to expand...

I am certainly not comfortable with Joe Biden. He should have been shown the door long ago.

She cracks me up, love the circus, think finally it's somewhat entertaining. Fun to watch all the wild reactions to a colorful woman. Best of all is to actually watch her talk. Whheeeeeee! Still not voting for McCain, but at least there's a little kick-ass bizzarrissimo injected into this disgusting campaign.

I'm writing in Dr Ron Paul.

She's HOT and he's NOT...it's that simple.

HOT for many, many reasons NOT involving her looks.

The Real Joe Biden

So, since McPain chose Palin as his veep, there have been over 20 threads on Palin on the board, versus about 3 on Biden.

OK, here is a good post on Joe Biden.

http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=MWM0Y2QyY2Q3MzA1M2U4MzQ3MzFkMzExMGU1OTcxNTc

September 1, 2008 4:00 AM

Who Broke Politics?
The name is Joe. Joe Biden.

By Chet Arthur

Harry Truman said that for the first six months he was in the Senate, he couldn’t believe he’d gotten there. After another six months, he couldn’t believe they’d gotten there.

Barack Obama didn’t hang around the Senate cloakroom long enough to pick up the word on Joe Biden. He didn’t realize that Biden is something of a joke in the Senate.

Isn’t it curious that in 36 years, Biden’s never even been mentioned for Majority Leader, or even for Majority Whip?

Obama’s claim to be a “post partisan” candidate is belied by his choice of the vicious, knee-groining Biden as his running mate. Barack Obama, in his electric acceptance speech, claimed that “politics is broken.” A reasonable question then is: Who broke politics? Much of the credit for the brokenness of politics must go to that political leg-breaker, Joe Biden.

One leading example of how our politics is broken is the judicial-confirmation process. Judicial confirmations used to be civil affairs. They used to be honorable contests in which both sides sought to review the record of the distinguished jurists who sat before the Senate Judiciary Committee.

Joe Biden can claim the lion’s share of credit for turning judicial confirmations into lions’ dens. As Chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee, Biden presided over the “Borking” of Judge Robert Bork. He was the chief Kleagle for the “high tech lynching” of Clarence Thomas. He tried to go after Roberts and Alito as well. He is not known as the “smiling barracuda” for nothing.

Ironically, not one of the men and women who have come before his committee would have survived one day if they had been proven to have plagiarized major speeches and law review articles — as Biden has been found to have done.

Perhaps because of his own shady past, Biden has seemed determined to impugn the integrity, intelligence, and the competence of all those with whom he disagrees.

Try to recall the confirmations of Justices Ruth Bader Ginsburg and Steven Breyer.

Remember the fireworks? Remember the inquisitors bearing down?

Did anyone steal their video rental records — as they did with Judge Bork

Did anyone ask them to share their religious beliefs under oath — as Howell Heflin did to Robert Bork? Did anyone allow lying testimony about a questionable sexual comment to be puffed into a national scandal — as they did with Clarence Thomas? Did anyone drive their spouses from the hearing room in tears?

No one can remember such outrages committed against arguably the most liberal justices ever confirmed. That’s because Republicans still believe in civility. They still believe in the rule of law. They’re trying to repair the process that leg-breaker Biden broke.

Biden presided over a remorseless struggle in which only the strongest can survive. He did not want simply to reject Clarence Thomas, he wanted to destroy the man, send him back to Pinpoint, Ga., stripped of honor and dignity. Justice Thomas prevailed because of his unflinching courage and massive self-control.

With Joe Biden, you don’t reach across the aisle. You retch across the aisle.

For this rancid record, Biden not only should not be vice president, he should not even be in the Senate.

Biden presided over a remorseless struggle in which only the strongest can survive. He did not want simply to reject Clarence Thomas, he wanted to destroy the man, send him back to Pinpoint, Ga., stripped of honor and dignity. Justice Thomas prevailed because of his unflinching courage and massive self-control.

With Joe Biden, you don’t reach across the aisle. You retch across the aisle.

For this rancid record, Biden not only should not be vice president, he should not even be in the Senate.

---------------

Biden is a piece of junk .....

Yes but look who's posting those Palin threads and their content.....

Most are DU quality gossip articles that are bumped up to the main page 20 times by the anti-Palin members who started the threads...

I was looking at the "replies" of those threads and was amazed at how many posts are made by the thread starter - just to keep the damn things moving to the top.. Even though no one was intersted..

Come on people...If you're going to launch a smear against a politician and no one bites...let it go..

Biden isn't even worth acknowledging other then the occasional laugh factor when he puts his foot in his mouth.

Other then that, he's like a mosquito..makes a lot of buzzing, but not much of a threat. Sooner or later, you just "smack'em" and be done with him.

Red Baron said:

Biden is a career crapweasel that represents everything wrong with this country.

Sarah Palin is a breath of fresh air and most importantly, is a real person.

Click to expand...

+100

Joseph Biden's Plagiarism; Michael Dukakis's 'Attack Video' – 1988 http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/special/clinton/frenzy/biden.htm
Democratic presidential candidate Joseph R. Biden Jr., a U.S. senator from Delaware, was driven from the nomination battle after delivering, without attribution, passages from a speech by British Labor party leader Neil Kinnock. A barrage of subsidiary revelations by the press also contributed to Biden's withdrawal: a serious plagiarism incident involving Biden during his law school years; the senator's boastful exaggerations of his academic record at a New Hampshire campaign event; and the discovery of other quotations in Biden's speeches pilfered from past Democratic politicians.

http://current.com/items/89229481_the_dirt_on_biden

More substantively, Biden supported the 2002 resolution that authorized the war in Iraq—a resolution that Obama opposed and, in the primaries at least, painted as “the most important foreign-policy decision in a generation.”

Biden was on the wrong side of that thinking, by Obama’s lights. In 2002, he said that America had “no choice but to eliminate” Saddam Hussein.

While preparing for his own run at the party’s nomination last year, he took several shots at Obama’s inexperience, warning that “If the Democrats think we’re going to be able to nominate someone who can win without that person being able to table unimpeachable credentials on national security and foreign policy, I think we’re making a tragic mistake.”

When Obama gave a speech saying he’d send troops into Pakistan if he had actionable intelligence and the Pakistani government was unwilling to act, Biden told NPR that “It’s a well-intentioned notion he has, but it’s a very naïve way of thinking how you’re going to conduct foreign policy,” adding of his then-rival, in a remark Republicans are sure to revive, “Having talking points on foreign policy doesn’t get you there.”

Biden also said last year of his now running mate, that “I think he can be ready, but right now I don’t believe he is. The presidency is not something that lends itself to on-the-job training.” He may also see clips from his 1988 presidential run, when he ran an ad in which the narrator warns:

”The White House isn't a place to learn how to deal with international crisis, the balance of power... the economic future of the next generation,'' the narrator of Biden's 1988 ad for the Democratic nomination said. "The president has got to know the territory.”

Biden, 65, came to Congress at the age of 30, meaning he’s spent more than half his life in the institution, which Republicans will surely charge makes him an unsuitable running mate for a candidate of change.

Another moment likely to be re-used against him is his August 2, 2005 Daily Show appearance where Jon Stewart asked him of a potential 2008 run, “You may end up going against a Senate colleague, perhaps McCain, perhaps Frist?”

Biden’s reply, “John McCain is a personal friend, a great friend, and I would be honored to run with or against John McCain, because I think the country would be better off — be well off no matter who...”
Biden, who was elected to the Senate at 29, has now spent more than half his life there, which cuts against Obama’s change message, even as it insulates the first-term Illinois Senator from charges that he’s too green for the White House.

Biden has accepted $5,133,072 in contributions from lawyers and lobbyists since 2003. Obama does not accept contributions from federally registered lobbyists.

And he has one other weakness that hasn't received much attention to date. One of Biden's sons, Hunter, is a registered Washington lobbyist in a year in which Obama has been excoriating lobbyists and the culture of corruption in Washington. The younger Biden is a name partner at the firm Oldaker, Biden & Belair, LLP, and seems to have specialized in lobbying for just the kind of earmark spending by Congress that Obama has vowed to slash. Republican insiders say the party is likely to make an issue of Biden's family lobbying ties.

Also expect to hear more about Biden's close ties with credit card companies. His largest contributor (based on total contributions by employees) over the past five years has been MBNA, the Delaware-based bank aquired in 2005 by Bank of America than until then was the world's largest independent credit card issuer and a major supporter of the 2005 bankruptcy bill that Biden crossed the aisle to support.

I thought her comments on Ron Paul, along with having worked on Pat Buchanan's campaign were interesting, since it displays what her political beliefs might be.

Actually it's a relief the world is stable enough to indulge in fluff right now. An illusion but a nice one.

The focus is on Sarah Palin because she is so noticeable. Biden is less than noticeable.
Everyone that personally knows Biden hopes he just hides himself during the campaign.

Sounds like a lot of liberals have really taken notice of Palin and are worried, else they would not be spending so much time discussing a VP.

As for Palin's daughter being pregant at 17, we only have to look at what Obama was doing at that age, which was by his own admission snorting cocaine and getting drunk. From "Dreams of My Father" it seems that Obama has not much to be proud of at that age.

Given that he had absolutely zero accomplishments during that time, we can only guess at the use of racial preferences to get himself into Harvard.


.

energy_wave said:

I think it just shows how uncomfortable people are with McCain's VP choice. Most people are very comfortable with Biden, imo. Hence the disparity in thread numbers.

Click to expand...

Nice self-serving speculation, but uhh...speak for yourself, OK?

-Steve in Burbank

You mean the Attack of the DemoClones?

expose' said:

Yes but look who's posting those Palin threads and their content.....

Most are DU quality gossip articles that are bumped up to the main page 20 times by the anti-Palin members who started the threads...

I was looking at the "replies" of those threads and was amazed at how many posts are made by the thread starter - just to keep the damn things moving to the top.. Even though no one was intersted..

Come on people...If you're going to launch a smear against a politician and no one bites...let it go..

Click to expand...

****

Not just here, but all over the net. It was an incredible time to spot the clones who were reading and repeating the same talking points. They will do what they must to hog the headlines, because they know that's all most people read.

What is utterly disgusting, really puke material, is some of them are now saying Palin is lying about her daughter's pregnancy in a desperate attempt to hide her wrongdoing. Started at DU, read it at WRH if you can't log in at DU.

So yes, much of the buzz about Sarah Palin is just a machine in action. And what a machine!

Dennis Olson said:

Lies and fluff about Obama? First, what fluff? Second, as to "lies;" they may be lies to you (an obvious Osama supporter), but to some of the rest of us they need to be discussed. Oh, and in case you haven't noticed, I've moved a butt-load of Obama threads too. (But I wouldn't expect you to care, since any negative information on Osama is evidently a personal affront to you.) Oh, and Osama is the PRESIDENTIAL NOMINEE, and so deservedly gets more attention than the veep candidates do (or even should).

Click to expand...

So like you Dennis to jump to conclusions. No point in arguing with you as you are always so sure you are right and you are after all "THE MAN". Any disagreement with you has turned into a personal attack on the poster, this being no exception. I am certainly no Obama supporter, I was just surprised you would start a thread like this when I had seen so many different threads on the board for months trashing Obama. No personal affront to me as I could actually care less.

Bad me to think that maybe this board could actually be even handed. I cruise through here occasionally just to see what is happening and if by some remote chance it has returned to it's former splender. NOT.
By the way..........I am not, nor ever have been a poster on any of those boards that attacked you or this board. Thought about it on occasion, but I am never a fan of that sort of thing. If I have something to say I say it right out front and open. Since I was one of the people who helped you when you were down I would have thought you would have given me the benefit of the doubt, but obviously you have me in the "bad" camp. take care

I'm in for the EXPERIENCED EXECUTIVE......


there is only ONE running in the 4.....


Too bad SHE is running for VP and not Pres....

BIDEN is the fluff... ANYTHING posted about Palin is weightier than Biden ever thought about being, even stupid photoshopped babealicious pictures.

So there... 8^)

dd

By moving the 'fluff' the staff has made the decision on what is fluff and what is not fluff.

I thought ALL political threads were news?

For months now we have been avalanched by Obama threads and not a one, none, were moved.

Now when there is someone fresh that we have no idea who she is politically, that those threads are moved?

Either leave all the threads that are political,or give them all a certain amount of time on Main,or just move them all to POL when they appear.

Anything else is editorializing. Reminds me of the NY Times.

Or just run the damn place the way you want.

Contributing to the "fluff" - This is exactly the sort of thing that drives the Berkley liberals bonkers, on so many levels....


Todd Palin, a blue collar Alaskan, is multiple winner of world's longest snowmobile race
Associated Press
Article Last Updated: 08/29/2008 03:32:58 PM AKDT


ANCHORAGE, Alaska (AP) - Todd Palin is known as a doting, blue-collar husband who stands on the sidelines as his wife blazes a historic trail in politics.
But he can claim accomplishments beyond his marriage to Governor Palin, the surprise running mate of Republican presidential hopeful John McCain.

Todd Palin -- affectionately dubbed Alaska's "first dude" -- is a four-time winner of the 2,000-mile Tesoro Iron Dog, the world's longest snowmobile race, one billed as the most grueling.

It's a sport the 43-year-old lifelong Alaskan is so passionate about that he's continued to compete even after his wife took office in December 2006.

In this year's race, Palin and racing partner Scott Davis were trying to defend their 2007 championship when Palin broke his arm in a crash.

It was 400 miles from the finish line, but he refused to quit, coming in fourth, cheered on by his wife.



.

Sorry tim, but stories about a VP candidate's Vogue Magazine photo-shoot (and the like) just aren't news. Stories about how Obama might not be a natural US citizen, as well as his barebones Senate experience, ARE. Now if Palin gets subpoenaed to appear in court for wrongdoing, THAT'S news too.

Dennis Olson said:

Sorry tim, but stories about a VP candidate's Vogue Magazine photo-shoot (and the like) just aren't news. Stories about how Obama might not be a natural US citizen, as well as his barebones Senate experience, ARE. Now if Palin gets subpoenaed to appear in court for wrongdoing, THAT'S news too.

Click to expand...

What about three main page threads about the "temple" at the DNC? Or the threads about the "57 states" comment, or about the flag on the tail of the plane, or the chair with the word "President" on it, or about Obama being the anti-Christ? Are those news or fluff?

Palin is only one small step from being president. Considering McCain's age and health.

So, actually, most news should be left on the main page about her for now.

Don't be considering her less than Obama. For months we were overrun with Obama threads because he was running for president. Now it's Palin, because in a sense she is running for president too.

Of course for visuals...

Would you rather look at high def pic's of Biden???

She is a definite hottie!!!

The interest and postings are somewhat understandable. Since the viewership on established TV is so spintered there is no longer a single spot comercial that can reach people to direct messages,

The internet is the new political warzone. While both parties seem to be trying to feel out how best to use the internet for establishing the message, the liberal extremists seem to have gravitated to breaking shop windows at McD's and making wholesale personal attacks on boards and blogs. For some reason these are selectively picked up for "real" news coverage. My opinion is they are searching for a forumn that would parallel the general conservative talk radio to make up for the loss of control when there was only the 3 networks and they owned that coverage.

Whether the hatchet peep's for the fringes are working actively or with a wink and nod from the parties the attacks could very easily backfire and turn potential voters off. Would expect the trolling and attacks to continue or even increase until any potential backlash hits their parties or candidates by association and then you might see return to civility in the discourse.

Of course this is politics so you won't catch me holding my breath...

I think it's just people seeing someone fresh and new that they can identify with and maybe shake things up in Washingotn. Hard to not like this lady.

It's mostly the fact that:
A. So few folks have heard of Sarah Palin
B. She's a woman running for VP
C. She doesn't fit the mold of your career woman politician.
D. More people know who Biden is already, so less interest.

And because Biden is a schmuck, a bore, and nobody has any real interest in him.