Palin praises Hillary: Is she a neo-feminist?

I watched part of her speech the other day and saw her praising Hillary Clinton and Geraldine Ferraro. How conservative can she really be? No true conservative could ever praise those two.

Also, it was a cheap pandering for Hillary votes and came across as rather pathetic. And, you know what, she's not going to get those Hillary votes, because her conservative social values fly in the face of everything that Hillary stands for.

Honestly, though, being a "working woman" and "hunting" and "firing weapons" she really is just the right-wing version of a feminist -- playing the whole Hegelian dialectic game on us. I saw one video in which she rather condescendingly referred to her husband as "the first dude".

I think that she's a neo-feminist. Just like both the Dems and Repubs have both turned globalist, both right and left have turned feminist.

She praised Clinton for putting 16 million cracks in the glass ceiling that she intended to shatter (a shameless pander for her votes). First of all, his "glass ceiling" BS is pure feminist propaganda terminology (could very well have been stolen from CIA-paid propagandist Gloria Steinem). Secondly, she was clearly chosen as a token women, not having done anything (worked hard campaigning, etc.) to actively earn her position; she should be insulted to be used like this. She'll become the token "house-woman", will have no say in policy, and her role as VP will be to bring McCain his coffee and make sure that his dry cleaning gets done.

Is she being used as a tool to inculcate a feminist mentality among conservatives?

I'm sure this'll cause a firestorm but I'm calling it how I see it. I see her praising Hillary and using feminist "glass ceiling" terminology, and acting it out in her quest for power.

Here's how the Hegelian thing works. She's Pro Life. I like what she stands for. Oh, and by the way, she adopts feminist terminology, so that must be good too or at least OK.

It is, in fact, possible to praise someone for accomplishing something even though you don't agree with them politically.

Honestly, folks, does ANYone (even those of you who really "like" her) believe that if Palin were a man she would have been chosen? Remember the firestorm Ferraro caused by claiming that Barrack wouldn't have won except that he's black. I don't like Obama (can't stand him in fact) but he campaigned and delivers some very good speeches (whether you think as I do that 99% of the content is BS, you have to grant that he's very good at it). What has Palin done?

Feminists of the world should be insulted, no? She will have been broken the glass ceiling passively, by being exploited and used as a cheap political prop.

Fred said:

It is, in fact, possible to praise someone for accomplishing something even though you don't agree with them politically.

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Not if you're truly and strongly Pro Life. That would be like praising Satan for his wonderful accomplishments. PLUS she adopts the feminist "glass ceiling" terminology in praising them.

Limbaugh used to rant against the "glass ceiling" BS. Wonder if he comes out and criticizes Palin for playing into that.

Everyone has some good points. On some people you have to really dig hard.

I agree with Fred....

Malleus said:

Not if you're truly and strongly Pro Life.

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Really? You think that because Palin said "I can’t begin this great effort without honoring the achievements of Geraldine Ferraro back in 1984 and of course, Senator Hillary Clinton" that she's not "truly and strongly Pro Life" ?

I reiterate my initial statement. No matter what you think about Hillary Clinton, she made a pretty big achievement. So did Obama, so did McCain, and so did Palin. Lookie there, I praised all of them, and I don't much agree with any of them politically.

I strongly disagree w/HC and am staunchly Pro-Life, I've also got five kids to prove it, but I can still give praise where it's due. GF and HC have both achieved much, professionally, for themselves and paved the way for other women.

I do not consider myself a feminist. AT. ALL. I'm pretty sure my dh doesn't consider me one.

Fred said:

It is, in fact, possible to praise someone for accomplishing something even though you don't agree with them politically.

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Fish Speaker said:

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You haven"t heard anything yet. This woman is gonna win the country over. I can't wait for the VP debate.

Those accolades....

were written for her by McCain's speechwriters......to begin the process of attracting women who supported Hillary. Wouldn't surprise me if she had to ask.... Geraldine who ?

eaglefeather said:

were written for her by McCain's speechwriters......to begin the process of attracting women who supported Hillary. Wouldn't surprise me if she had to ask.... Geraldine who ?

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McCon is attempting to steal the Hillary supporters, and he probably will. They don't call him McCon for nothing. Plus he's now going to get the Catholic and pro gun votes. Good move I must say. I don't think we have a choice folks. We're backed into a corner and I would rather see McCon/Palin than any Demonrat.

Warthog said:

McCon is attempting to steal the Hillary supporters, and he probably will.

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Yes, that's exactly what he's trying to do, but I don't think it's going to work. How many of the Hillary women wouldn't be seriously put off by the fact that Palin is Pro Life?

She is simply acknowledging reality and beginning the transfer of Hillary's mantle upon herself. Quite clever. After all, she is a politician.

There is a sparkle and fiery energy about her. She will not allow herself to be used as a doormat. She certainly will not be making coffee. She'll delegate all that type of thing to interns. She'll carve a niche for herself and do what she wants.

If Obama had chosen her as a running mate he would have been smart. As it is, it balances out the 2 tickets with a little something new on each. And a little something old on each. Remember, it's a circus, a contrived spectacle.

I'm writing in Dr Ron Paul because so far he is the only person with a proven record that more or less matches my ideals.

The 2 parties are one big blurry machination of failed policies and unkept promises with not much distinction when you look at their deleterious results over the decades.

Usually Curious said:

I strongly disagree w/HC and am staunchly Pro-Life, I've also got five kids to prove it, but I can still give praise where it's due. GF and HC have both achieved much, professionally, for themselves and paved the way for other women.

I do not consider myself a feminist. AT. ALL. I'm pretty sure my dh doesn't consider me one.

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Depends on how you define feminist I guess.

When somone uses the term "glass ceiling", she's a feminist. That expression was coined by feminists.

Now, people have remarked that McCain probably made her read a speech prepared by his own writers. I have to agree. But then she's saying stuff she doesn't really believe and makes her just another lying chameleon Bill-Clinton-like politician -- and not to be trusted. That taken in conjunction with her BS on the "bridge to nowhere" and her pregnancy thing makes me not trust her. Oh, and the fact that McCain picked her, that makes me not trust her at all.

Cascadians said:

She is simply acknowledging reality and beginning the transfer of Hillary's mantle upon herself. Quite clever. After all, she is a politician.

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Bingo -- a calculating (dishonest) politician. In other words, more of the same.

Usually Curious said:

GF and HC have both achieved much, professionally, for themselves and paved the way for other women.

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That's a feminist sentiment if ever I've heard one. Having to "pave" some kind of "way" for women is a corollary to the "glass ceiling". Each person paves a way for himself or herself and should not be viewed as part of some group. People should be regarded by the "content of their character" rather than by the color of their skin or gender -- as individuals and not as a representative of some group.

And to hold up women who "achieve professionally" implicitly disparages women who do not and who rightly believe that raising children and being at home for them are much more important than some self-aggrandizing professional achievement.

I really thought the pregnancy issue was thrown in the trash can.....anyone who believes that is just spreading rumors to hurt.....

And, until now, I didn't realize she was not allowed to use the word "glass ceiling" or "paving". She has done many things that some women hope to do but never do because of one stupid reason or another. Why criticize one who has the guts and determination? Try as many things as possible while you are on this side of the dirt....

I really don't care for McCain but plan to vote Republican because it is time for REAL people and not political fakes.

It is silly to think a person can't use terms and phrases that have become common-place lexicon without suddenly becoming the person who first coined the term. Totally ridiculous.

Once a person pegged me as something because I used "that lingo." It was ridiculous -- utterly normal English language -- but because another person had recently used the phrase, the idiot thought I was in league with the other person whom I'd never met or cared one whit about. This showed me the accuser had no intuition, no accurate perception, rather simply labeled ppl for shallow surface trivialities into little boxes.

Cascadians said:

It is silly to think a person can't use terms and phrases that have become common-place lexicon without suddenly becoming the person who first coined the term. Totally ridiculous.

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Cascadians said:

Once a person pegged me as something because I used "that lingo." It was ridiculous -- utterly normal English language -- but because another person had recently used the phrase, the idiot thought I was in league with the other person whom I'd never met or cared one whit about. This showed me the accuser had no intuition, no accurate perception, rather simply labeled ppl for shallow surface trivialities into little boxes.

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Yes, it is. It is also the favorite ploy of political operatives.

Politics. . . . it is, what it is. LOL

Just posting to even out the post count. Now there are 8 posts by the original poster and 8 by other people. Don't want people to think lefties are y=talking to themselves.

well

Malleus, you are now coming across as a shill.


I'd like a straight answer out of you.


WHOM ARE YOU SUPPORTING? WHOM ARE YOU GOING TO VOTE FOR?

dragonslayer2001 said:

Malleus, you are now coming across as a shill.


I'd like a straight answer out of you.


WHOM ARE YOU SUPPORTING? WHOM ARE YOU GOING TO VOTE FOR?

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This is again another indication (To me at least) that nobody is ever going to be on the ticket for one of the highest offices in the land unless they are either a) a globalist themselves or b) one who TPTB realize can be easily lead, manipulated and directed. Bush was actually both whearas McCain is just a globalist at heart. Palin might indeed be conservative but coming from Alaska I doubt she has a real understanding on how things at foggy bottom work and I would say that she's in for one heck of an education in the days to come. She would fit into a 'b' in my paradigm. She will be easily lead or manipulated by the true powers in the land.

Stop to think about this logically for a minute.
Forget about "conservative" for a second!!
Picking Sara gave disenfranchised Hillary supporters a potential place to go.
This was evidenced by all the Hillary boards going nutz right after the announcement.
With Sara saying very nice things about Hillary and Geraldine, she may have cemented the deal!!

This whole thread is maellos talking to him/herself.

dragonslayer2001 said:

Malleus, you are now coming across as a shill.


I'd like a straight answer out of you.


WHOM ARE YOU SUPPORTING? WHOM ARE YOU GOING TO VOTE FOR?

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Chuck Baldwin.

Before that, it was Ron Paul.

I guess you're perplexed by the fact that I'm extremely conservative but don't trust Palin at all?

nope

I am not perplexed at all. I just spent about half an hour visiting some of your posting history.


For a Constitutionalist voting for Chuck Baldwin I think your mention here is just about the first occurance of that.

For a Ron Paul supporter, you were very tepid. I found 3-4 threads that mentioned RP in the last 6 months that you got on, though I wasn't able to find your helping him out on them.

I went back 6 months and older and found about 6 threads where you made passing reference to RP. Passing reference as in "It is Ron Paul or no one".


I did find a few posts where you defend the RC Church, and specifically say that women priests are an abomination. I did find one post where you defend pro lifers.

I found a handful of posts about you and Obama where in all but one case (that I saw) you keep implying or stating that he is going to win.

I did a six month search on your user name and Hillary Clinton. Not one post from you that I have seen.

I have seen that in the last 3 days you have made many many long posts about trying to nail Palin for virtually every single thing that has come up about here, and in great volume.


I thought at first you were just a solid woman hater except you didn't seem the slightest interested in Hitlery. Rather odd for a 'staunch' hard core 'conservative' showing such remarkable interest in politics since Govenor Palin came on board.


Even a 6 month search on your user name and Mccain only brings up 15 results, ALMOST ALL OVER THE LAST FEW DAYS SINCE PALIN GOT ANNOUNCED.


You are not that interested in politics on TB. You are not that interested in Obama. You are not that interested in Mccain. You are not that interested in Ron Paul. You are not that interested in Chuck Baldwin nor the Constitution Party.

You are obsessed with Governor Palin. Woman hater and hillery wasn't cute enough? Possible. It certainly isn't politics, which you have had very very little interest in the last 6 months and more.


Now, in all fairness, it was quick searches I did. You MAY have posted on more threads than my quick searches did. But anyone can do a search on your user name and all those other political names going back 6 months and newer, and 6 months and older. They will see that you have only had a burr up your butt in the last few days, and only over Palin. You were not concerned much with Mccain until he choose her.

Very enlightening research, ds1.
Governor Sarah Palin certainly has stirred the anthill.
In a few days, the passions of people with weird agendas will ease,
and we can start looking at her economic, and tax/spend record.
Thanks

Malleus said:

Yes, that's exactly what he's trying to do, but I don't think it's going to work. How many of the Hillary women wouldn't be seriously put off by the fact that Palin is Pro Life?

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One more time for those who missed it:


http://www.hillaryclintonforum.net/discussion/showthread.php?t=26179

DS2001,

You sure did a lot of research there.

I haven't been on TB that long, so my overall volume of posts increased over time.

My interest in Palin stems from the fact that she's being praised as the greatest conservative since sliced bread and that people are swooning over her. I just don't trust her one bit and things like the Hillary compliments really struck me, as did her use of the phrase "glass ceiling". That's why I started this thread. I could never find any condition under which I would praise Hillary.

I just learned also that she belongs to a group called "Feminists for Life", so she's a self-described feminist, a right-wing feminist in fact. Seems to confirm my original observation.

I think that it has been long established among Paleoconservatives (heck even among regular Rush-Limbaugh-loving conservative Republicans) that McCain is a fraud and is controlled by the globalists. But now people are swooning over Palin -- often for the stupidest reasons.

I don't like her and I don't trust her. Why? Largely because I don't trust McCain. So, yeah, I guess I'm predisposed against her and and am finding things that confirm my suspicions.

BigBadBossyDog said:

One more time for those who missed it:


http://www.hillaryclintonforum.net/discussion/showthread.php?t=26179

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That's anecdotal at best. We'll see how it actually pans out, and I bet that I'm right.

I'll put money on it that the women who are so radically feminist that they want to vote for a woman just because she's a woman without any regard for the issues also share radically feminist views on abortion and will at best be conflicted over this -- and in the end, when the initial excitement wears off, will ascertain that Obama will be better for women (in their feminist world view of course) than McCain-Palin.

I've actually heard, contrary to the opinions on this board, that as a member of "Feminists for Life" she's actually Pro-Contraception and has made statements to the effect that "no woman should be forced to chose between her career and having children" (in the context of contraception).

Also, I'm sorry, but women who enter beauty contests are all about themselves and promoting themselves, and think highly of themselves, and are ambitious.

I'm not buying this mythology that she was just some active Soccer Mom who was drafted and swept into power by popular acclaim almost against her will. She seems very self-promoting, calculating, and she's been caught twisting the truth about the "Bridge to Nowhere" and IMO about her daughter's pregnancy (1 speech = 1 lie, refreshing change or more of the same?)

I

don't much care if a woman is a 'feminist' as long as she isn't a man hating leftist fem-nazi hysterical screaming meemie type. As for those who are convincing themselves that Govenor Palin is NOT having an affect on those 18,000,000 hillery supporters:


I'm really excited. Not only did he choose a woman, but he didn't pick the big guys. He picked the anchorage girl who is a family woman, just had a baby, and is a former beauty queen! She's smart and very nice



OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Buuuuurn Obama Buuuurn! What a slap in the face. If it's Palin, I will put blood and sweat into campaigning for that team.



OMG! Republican candidate chooses a woman!!! Take that Democrats,party of sexism!!! ROFLMAO!!



All this B.S. that the Republicans are racist and sexist, yet colin powell and condi rice were some of the biggest players in the rnc. Now Sarah



Ok, can anyone confirm this for me? Is it true that we must donate to McCain by Aug. 30th in order for him to accept it? I need this response, ASAP!



That's exactly how I feel - the DNC has hoodwinked us for years about the GOP being racist/sexist... !!!



Sarah Palin Vp Pick!!!!!!! I Will Have No Problem Voting That Ticket! Look Out Obama


If this is true, this moves me from staying at home to voting McCain.



McCain has picked PALIN!!! I am THRILLED! AS for the Dums whining that she doens't have experience running things--SHE HAS FIVE KIDS!! TRUST ME! SHE KNOWS HOW TO RUN THINGS! GOD BLESS MCCAIN/PALIN!!!



Do you all hear the sound of the running feet of all the women the Obama camp tossed aside? It is THUNDEROUS!!!!



Well done, Sen. McCain! I also appreciate the fact that she has a child with Down's Syndrome. She'll have an understanding of what we parents of children with a disability go through.


I AM SO EXCITED, I'M HEADING TO ALASKA,

YES YES YES YES YES

VOLUNTEER, I'M IN, I'M READY,DONATE, TIME, WHATEVER, MY VOTE GOES TO MCCAIN/PALIN ALL THE WAY, I'M RUNNING BACK AND FORTH, CANNOT SIT DOWN, I'M CLIMBING THE WALLS

VOTE

MCCAIN/PALIN
MCCAIN/PALIN
MCCAIN/PALIN
MCCAIN/PALIN
MCCAIN/PALIN

OFF TO MAKE DONATION TO MCCAIN




These are from the site given above by BBD. I saw the same reaction on another hillery blog site. These are real emotions. These women hate the DNC, Pelosi, Obama, and MO.


Obama represented pure fascism. I really appreciated that line from MO "Obama isn't going to let you sit down. Obama is going to make you do things." Uh-huh. While taxing me to death, going after our Second Amendment, and pandering to the one race he doesn't hate.


I would have voted Barr as a protest vote. Not any longer. Palin is a gutsy reformer who took on the special interests in Alaska single handedly. An articulate fighter even as VP can waken up the American People to really stand up and fight back against the established corrupt political class.

It's better than lying down and dying.

Malleus said:

That's a feminist sentiment if ever I've heard one. Having to "pave" some kind of "way" for women is a corollary to the "glass ceiling". Each person paves a way for himself or herself and should not be viewed as part of some group. People should be regarded by the "content of their character" rather than by the color of their skin or gender -- as individuals and not as a representative of some group.

And to hold up women who "achieve professionally" implicitly disparages women who do not and who rightly believe that raising children and being at home for them are much more important than some self-aggrandizing professional achievement.

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I've never been called a feminist, quite the opposite. Wife, mother of five, homemaker, religeous zealot, barefoot & pregnant, hmmmm, but not a feminist.

Since you're trying to psychoanalyze me, here are some tidbits:

1) I believe that the Republican party has been taken over and corrupted by neoconservatives who are beholden to globalist rather than U.S. interests

2) I am deeply distrustful of Palin almost entirely due to my distrust of both major parties (see above).

3) I was not that interested in Hillary because, frankly, she's a known quantity and boring -- except that I was thinking she might try something to wrest the nomination from Obama

4) Palin created a big buzz as being this "uber conservative" -- so I'm digging for the real truth of the matter (and I admit that I am predisposed to against her due to #1 and #2 above). If I am proven wrong, then so be it.

5) I've long since made up my mind about Obama, McCain, Hillary, Biden, Ron Paul, and Chuck Baldwin -- Palin is new and therefore interesting.

6) Yes, I'm a bit irked by the nimrods who are hooting and hollering about her being "hot" and a "moose hunter". So, if she weren't "hot" they wouldn't want to vote for her? Talk about being degrading to women. Why aren't those losers being attacked as woman-haters? I try to view all people from the perspective of who they are, what they stand for, and by the content of their character -- rather than by their physical appearances (whether that be the color of their skin or their gender or their attractiveness and lack thereof). And what does moose hunting have to do with anything? Granted that she'd be easier on the eyes and less apt to shoot someone in the face than her illustrious predecessor as VP, but what does that have ANYthing to do with what she'd be like as a VP (and potential president).

7) I'm suspicious that she's beholden to the oil companies as are most of the neocons.

8) She's already been caught twisting the truth.

As for my views on feminisim, the greatest thing that women (or all people in general) do is to raise their children. I too as a man consider raising my children THE calling in my life and that my job is a means to that end only. I believe that those who promote womens' careers (while implicitly disparaging women who realize that their higher calling is in raising children) are part of a deliberate movement to destroy the family, to destroy men, and to destroy women. So that's why I object to people who promote women having "careers". Now, some women have to work and some women are single, and I have no personal problem with them. I'm talking about people who promote the glamorization of "career women" as if women raising their children were somehow a degrading & dehumanizing thing.

And back to the topic of Palin, if there's a chance she'd be havin to face down Vlad Putin, don't you think we should find out EXACTLY how and what this woman thinks first? Eh? Or should we be content that she's "hot" and a "moose hunter"?

Usually Curious said:

I've never been called a feminist, quite the opposite. Wife, mother of five, homemaker, religeous zealot, barefoot & pregnant, hmmmm, but not a feminist.

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You can laugh all you want, but either you mis-spoke earlier or you are a feminist. Lauding women for their "professional accomplishment" and "paving the way for women" are feminist sentiments. See my explanation above. Are women somehow being oppressed that they need some way paved for them?

I'm guessing that you're not really a feminist but have fallen into the trap of defending Palin at all costs and saying things you really don't believe.

Moose

hunter? Means she is tough. And pro gun.

What I've seen the last few days is you picking every issue about her such as her water breaking and how impossible it would be for her to get on a flight and fly back to Alaska.

She's tough, and I get a feeling you are not. I'd trust her to face up to Putin a lot more than I would trust you to.

Biden is tough? Obama is tough? I don't think so.


She fought the oil interests. I suggest you do some real research on her instead of making whinny little nit picks on some really absurd arguments.

You think women should stay barefoot and in the kitchen. You complain that she might be a feminist. I think a lot of your protests have more to do with your masculinity than her qualifications for political office.

You are willing to have obama in the White House. I am not.

Any good look at what she has done shows that she is far more of an outside the beltway non-insider than any of the other three.

YET SHE IS THE ONLY PERSON I'VE SEEN YOU ATTACK, TIME AND TIME AGAIN.


You think she should be home taking care of the kids. I think she is one tough cookie, a real person, a real mom, and the only person in the race that has RUN A GOVERNMENT.


And as a moose hunter myself, I have no doubt that she is physically tougher than either Obama or Biden.

Peoplem who are honesty are at a disadvantage in politics. Liars have to remember their lies to avoid contradicting what they said. Honest people because they tell the truth don't have to remember what they said and there fore after time they may say something a little different from what they said days, weeks or months previously. Then people jump on that difference and say the person is a liar.

Now, today, I have limited information about Palin. Based on that information I form an opinion about her. As more information comes out I may change my opinion. But I will not make statements about her based on speculation.

Based on the availible information I can compare her to what I know of the dems candidates. BBased on that comparison I can say I think the dems should be toast.