WTF?!? Arkansas town under 24/7 lockdown

Baja SS

Froze Member
I can assure you poor ol Baja would be on his way to jail over this.

http://standard.arkansasonline.com/...ers-lockdown-10-blocks-helena-20080809/?print



Mayor orders lockdown for 10 blocks of Helena
By Mike Linn

Saturday, August 9, 2008

HELENA-WEST HELENA — A neighborhood here is on police lockdown, all over a $6, or maybe $8, debt.

The feud started earlier this week, when a man recently released from jail refused to pay the money back to a neighbor, residents and authorities said.

A group of men jumped the ex-inmate and fired guns into the air and into homes, mostly after dark, residents and authorities said, prompting some people to sleep on the floors for fear of being struck by stray bullets.

The man and his buddies retaliated - with guns, as well - turning the already highcrime neighborhood into what residents said sounded for a few nights like a combat zone.

As a consequence, Mayor James Valley on Thursday called for a lockdown of the roughly 10-block neighborhood northwest of City Hall, in what was formerly West Helena.

No loitering. No walking the streets. “No hanging out.”

On Thursday night, 18-20 police officers carrying M-16 rifles, shotguns and night-vision scopes saturated the “cur-1 few zone” for 5/2 hours, arresting about eight people and confiscating drugs and loaded weapons, police said.

“It’s something akin to martial law in that particular area,” Valley said. “It got to the point where somebody was going to get seriously hurt or killed if we didn’t do something.”

Residents in the lockdown area have mixed feelings about the mayor’s executive order, which Valley said he would keep in place until the City Council can come up with a long-termplan at its Aug. 19 meeting.

Some residents like the police presence. Others call it overwhelming. The American Civil Liberties Union of Arkansas calls it unconstitutional.

“In a way, I like it because they shot up my house, too,” said Oliver of 234 Second St. “And in a way, I don’t like it because a few minutes ago I had to walk to the store and the police stopped me and asked me what I was doing and where I was going.”

Oliver, a 29-year-old with bloodshot eyes who was in his carport drinking a Natural Ice beer Friday afternoon, said his home had five bullet holes in it from the mayhem earlier in the week.

The lockdown will be enforced 24 hours a day, according to the order, and all pedestrian and vehicle traffic will be subject to stop and investigation.

Moreover, the city’s Code Enforcement Department will be issuing nuisance-abatement evictions for people living in the lockdown area in any house where at least three previous criminal violations have occurred, the order said.

The ACLU of Arkansas sent Valley a letter Friday, calling the order “blatantly unconstitutional on numerous grounds” and demanding that he lift the order immediately.

“First, such curfews have never been allowed under the laws of the United States, barring riot, insurrection, or natural disaster,” ACLU attorney HollyDickson wrote in the letter. “Not one case has ever allowed for the imposition of searches, seizures and house arrest against innocent citizens because of the high crime rate in a particular city.”

The letter also claims that the language in the order violates the Fourth Amendment and that placing adults under house arrest is unconstitutional.

“Notwithstanding the City Code and Curfew Order, the residents of Helena-West Helenahave the right to sit under shade trees in their front yard, to ride their bicycles along the streets, protest this policy, and drive around the city with the full protections of the First, Fourth, and Fourteenth Amendments,” the letter continued.

Valley said he hadn’t read the letter as of Friday night but that he’s “not concerned about the ACLU.”

“I invite them to move in on Second Street and be up all nightwith people shooting at them,” Valley said. “That’s my comment to them.”

Valley called the situation extraordinary.

People in the area had evaded police by falsely reporting criminal activity in other areas of town and falsely reporting shots fired from vehicles that didn’t exist, Police Chief Fred Fielder said.

Ronald Scott, the city’s assistant police chief, said police are using common sense whendealing with pedestrians in the lockdown area.

If they are polite and have a good reason to be out or walking, then police will let them go. If they are suspicious or have “a smart mouth,” they will be told to get inside, leave the area or be arrested, Scott said.

Matt DeCample, a spokesman for Gov. Mike Beebe, said he is aware of the situation in Helena-West Helena but that the state hasn’t been asked to offer any assistance.

“It’s a municipal matter,” he said.

Beth Wiedower, field representative for the Arkansas Delta Rural Heritage Development Initiative, said the “crime wave” in no way should affect tourism in the city known for its jazz and blues.

Brenda Kelly, a resident in the lockdown area, said she’s happy that the curfew is in place.

“Since this began, it’s more quiet and peaceful around here,” she said. “I think they’re doing a wonderful job. Prior to this, the kids were dealing drugs right in the middle of the street, stopping cars saying ‘hey, hey, what you got.’

“You couldn’t walk down the streets. Your little kids couldn’t, either. We were just that scared.”

Other residents say their rights are being violated.

“It’s messed up,” said Daniel Pimpleton, 16. “You’re not free, and you’re supposed to be free. You can’t go outside and walk the streets. Look - the entire area is empty. There’s nobody out here.”

Pimpleton said police warned him that if he and his friendsroamed the streets, they could be arrested.

Courtney Otis expressed similar disappointment about the lockdown.

“We’re grown, and the mayor’s trying to give us a curfew,” he said. “We don’t need no curfew. The mayor is overreacting.

“He can’t stop nobody from shooting. If they’re going to shoot, they’re going to shoot.”
 

SouthernGal

"Don't retreat...reload"
QUOTE FROM ARTICLE:
"If they are polite and have a good reason to be out or walking, then police will let them go. If they are suspicious or have “a smart mouth,” they will be told to get inside, leave the area or be arrested, Scott said."

Did you catch that? You can now be arrested for having a "smart mouth".

Gee-sus.
 

Dex

Constitutional Patriot
F-ing meth heads. Their BS is getting really old. I'd bet $20 that is the drug of choise in that neighborhood. Middle America is rotting from the inside out because of that drug.

When it comes to those dirt bags, I side with the cops. There is nothing more destructive and dangerous as a meth head if you ask me. Montana used to be a state where you could away from that kind BS.
 

Troke

Deceased
"...A group of men jumped the ex-inmate and fired guns into the air and into homes, mostly after dark, residents and authorities said, prompting some people to sleep on the floors for fear of being struck by stray bullets.

The man and his buddies retaliated - with guns, as well - turning the already highcrime neighborhood into what residents said sounded for a few nights like a combat zone....“First, such curfews have never been allowed under the laws of the United States, barring riot.."


:prfl:

If heavy gunfire in the streets with the citizens cowering in their houses isn't a riot, what is it?

"...Did you catch that? You can now be arrested for having a "smart mouth"..."

All actions have a reaction. You don't like the reaction, maybe you shouldn't act the action. Smart mouthing people carrrying guns ain't smart.
 

ceeblue

Inactive
This is the same mayor/town that released the animal shelter dogs into the forest last month.
Yes, same mayor. He got educated about the dogs, admitted he was wrong and, last I heard, he was working with the Humane Society of Arkansas to find a better solution.

If a situation calls for martial law, that qualifies.

I like this man.
 

ready2go

Veteran Member
"we don't need no curfew"

That may be true but E-101 might not be a bad idea. Just wait until these people are hungry too...
 
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Technomancer

Inactive
As much as we would all like to consider ourselves better than those who live in poor areas, we have to remember 2 things.

1. not everyone chooses to be poor, and not all poor are trash. things happen. So, if for some reason or another, medical accident, false charges, emminent domain, etc you lose your good job and house, and are stuck in a crap job for a while, or most your income is garnished, youre falsely jailed for a time, any number of things.. do you live outa your car or couchsurf til you can afford a house with a pool again, or do you just get an apartment/rent a house in whatever area you can no matter the neighbors?
Me, im not taking an entitlement or whining. Id rather live in the ghetto on my own dollar than get section 8 to pay for a house closer to my previous standards.
Gangs and trash dont build houses, they buy or rent em after the values go down and it gets cheap. In my town just a few years back, and many many times over the years, a nice high end area was annexxed by the city, and starting right before and during that, it went from a place with kids on bikes in the streets, nice lawns and cars, within a couple of years, to a place people quit goin after dark, businesses etc closed up. An older family member was able to sell their house and move off before it dropped too much, but a few months, a year later, she wouldnta been able to sell it without owing on it or at the least breaking even needing to buy a new house off a new loan.


2. more importantly as a whole id say.

If you want to create a police state area, you dont start with the areas with money, lawyers and connections. you do it in areas where people are afraid to speak up, where noone else would care, and you could justify it in court to set a precedent.

Once its set in precident that you can legally do it and get away with it, then you can do it anywhere you want with case history to support it.

If you live in an area near a school, even now it woudnt be hard for them to just decide to do a "lock down" and ban everyone from the streets, their yards, etc "for the children" due to a possible bomb threat, shooting scare etc. I am surprised it hasnt been done already. Theyd just keep extending the lockdown a few hours at a time, claiming a new threat, or everytime they find a pair of scissors they can say they found yet another student armed with a deadly weapon, and must continue the lockdown til theyve found all the sources of the threat....


If you mention the constitution, call a lawyer etc, you got a smart mouth. And you must be in on the threat "to our children".
 

big_sarge

Inactive
Dex,

It was Arkansas...and as much as I hate meth heads...I have some serious problems with the loss of civil liberties that this mayor is casuing.

One of these days alice...pow....right in the kisser....
 

Baja SS

Froze Member
Dex,

It was Arkansas...and as much as I hate meth heads...I have some serious problems with the loss of civil liberties that this mayor is casuing.

One of these days alice...pow....right in the kisser....

Exactly my point.
If a small town mayor feels he has the power to institute what amouts to martial law over what he feels is a "riot".
then what powers do the rest of our gov. feel they have ?

Where should the line be drawn in regards to locking innocent folks in there homes ?
 

blackguard

Veteran Member
Something to bear in mind

This is happening when there is social order, just imagine how quickly it will escalate when there is no law around. Yikes
 

Falcon50

Senior Member
+ 1 Sarge

Dex,

It was Arkansas...and as much as I hate meth heads...I have some serious problems with the loss of civil liberties that this mayor is casuing.

One of these days alice...pow....right in the kisser....

Just further CONDITIONING....if the sheep do not understand asap....
problem, reaction, solution....we are toast. Men in Black comming to
YOUR neighborhood soon.
 

ready2go

Veteran Member
At which point is it ok for the govt, be it Muni, County, or Fed, to intervene when people are acting like animals? This isn't meant to be rhetorical or sarcastic - it's a serious question to whomever is looking at this thread.
 

big_sarge

Inactive
At which point is it ok for the govt, be it Muni, County, or Fed, to intervene when people are acting like animals? This isn't meant to be rhetorical or sarcastic - it's a serious question to whomever is looking at this thread.

That is a good and difficult question. To answer I think we (as a nation and a people) have to look at our core values and beliefs. What do we think others should be able to do as long as they are not harming others? I think in our current society we have drifted/been drifting to a gradual erosion of our civil liberties. This scares me.

My grandfather fought in WWII for our way of life...that way of life is now gone or will be shortly. Our nation is a different nation than it was 60 some years ago....

For me, if something like this started happening more routinely or where I live...I would have to question many things and make some very important life decisions.
 
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