SOFT NEWS The end of human help in stores?

Dennis Olson

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The end of human help in stores?
Posted: Friday, July 18 at 03:45 am CT
by Bob Sullivan

Imagine standing in a retail store desperately looking for help from someone, anyone, and being directed to … a computer screen.

“No one here can help you," a clerk might say. "But someone 1,500 miles away probably can."

This just might be the future of customer service. Two companies, with products named Live Agent and Live Support, hope that consumers who today wander aimlessly through store aisles looking for help would be happy to use videoconference kiosks instead.

Already, shoppers in 34 Canadian Staples Business Depot stores all around the country have the option of getting video help from operators based in Toronto, according to Seattle-based Experticity, which makes the video kiosks for Staples.

Stores that are strapped for cash and have trouble hiring knowledgeable employees can offer better customer service through videoconference kiosks, says Chris Woods, chief technology officer of ClairVista, which makes Live Expert. Companies can also save money by leaning on a centralized staff, he said.

“Everybody who goes into a retail store today and walks away frustrated that they could not get their questions answered can get the help they need,” Woods says.

Experticity's kiosk.

But won't customers lean on the exit doors after realizing the store has no plans to provide live human beings to help? DL Baron, CEO of Experticity, says just the opposite has occurred in trials at Staples.

"We found that consumers are lining up to talk to the person on the screen because they know the dopey kid behind the counter can't answer their question," he said. "When consumers start using it, it becomes their preferred mode of engagement."

Long-distance, video-based help has a number of obstacles to overcome, both companies concede. Chief among them is the impression consumers might get that the machines are there simply to replace humans and cut costs. If companies can't even bother to greet store shoppers with in-person smiles, why would consumers bother to go to the store?

Why help from afar might be better

But Baron counters that consumer help in many large retailers is already poor, and long-distance help will actually be an improvement.

"How many times have you walked out of the store because you knew more than the kid who was helping you?" he said. Floor clerks have an impossible task in trying to "keep up with and explain increasingly complex products." With a centralized set of agents, each one can specialize in a product area and provide better advice. Agents can also use interactive screens to show consumers how to complete challenging tasks such as electronics installations, and even print out instructions for consumers, Baron said. Buyers with Web cams can connect to customer service again from home for additional help.

That's assuming the video conference technology works, of course. Web cams are notoriously flaky, as anyone who's tried home video-conference tools can attest.

And of course, the advice will only be as good as the operators who are hired to give it. A home improvement store might convince fantastic kitchen remodeling experts to answer video questions 24 hours per day. But it's easy to imagine a firm hiring ill-equipped $8-an-hour operators to read off poorly written scripts instead.

Customer service expert Robert Spector, author of "The Nordstrom Way," said companies should tread carefully when making fundamental changes to the way they treat in-store shoppers.

"A lot of (companies) get enamored with the technology and lose sight of the consumer," he said. "Many companies don't think like their customers, they think in ways to make (the company's) life easier, rather than ‘how do we make the consumer’s life easier.’ "

Replacing real customer service with discount gimmickry never works, he said. In one personal pet peeve, Spector said he's had several frustrating run-ins with live chat supports offered by Web sites.

"I always feel like I could do much better actually talking to someone than just comparing typing skills," he said. Live video help could work he said, but only if it’s nothing like live chat help.

And there's always the bottom line

But even if the videoconference service tools aren't perfect, and the customer service benefits are dubious, remote assistance may be attractive to major retailers because of the potential cost savings.

Home improvement stores face a crush of ambitious project builders every Saturday morning, but by 2 p.m., the panic has died down and many highly skilled employees are stuck stocking shelves, Baron said. If stores could "load balance" customer support by funneling all questions through a central support team, they could keep top employees occupied with higher-skill tasks.

Woods argues that centralized video service would both cut costs and make customers happier. "If you could take the top 50 associates you have and take them off the sales floor and make them available chain wide, that's the ideal situation," Woods said.

In Baron’s perfect world, there’s a customer service video screen at the end of every store aisle, with a top-tier expert ready and willing to answer your question. What’s the worst-case scenario? Think about toll-free hotlines. When was the last time you preferred waiting on hold and talking to someone half-way around the world to getting help in person?
 

Haybails

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The end of human help in stores?
Posted: Friday, July 18 at 03:45 am CT
by Bob Sullivan

Imagine standing in a retail store desperately looking for help from someone, anyone, and being directed to … a computer screen.

Let's see,

The Wal-Marts and Home Depots in my area currently have those 'self check-out' lanes. The local K-Mart USED to, but doesn't anymore. Every time I'm in those stores (well, ok, I'll be honest, not EVERY time - but often) I find a manager and tell them that I'll NEVER use the self check out lanes because it's depriving some human of a job. And, honestly, I've NEVER seen anyone use that 'self check out' lane and get through quicker than me going through the human employee staffed check-out lane. And, quite often, I see a store employee at the 'self check out' lane any way . . . helping people through. LOL!


HB
 

ejagno

Veteran Member
Computer Based Assistance- Simply type in your request so that we may assist you.
"I WANT TO SPEAK TO SOMEONE THAT BLEEDS!"
 

Dinghy

Veteran Member
Sometimes it would be better to speak to a computer than try and understand someone with a heavy accent!!! My daughter was in a Macy's looking for a blouse she had seen days before, but that they didn't have in her size. She asked when they were getting another shipment in. The sales clerk couldn't understand what she was asking!!! My daughter kept repeating the question, wording it in different ways to try and make the woman understand. The clerk finally told her to go ask one of the other customers!!!!!
 

D_el

Veteran Member
Computer Based Assistance- Simply type in your request so that we may assist you.
"I WANT TO SPEAK TO SOMEONE THAT BLEEDS!"



Your call is important to us. Someone will be with you as soon as possible. In the meantime, please enjoy the entire musical score from Phantom of the Opera and your call will be answered in the order it was received. We're currently serving number 17. Your number is 689. Thank you for shopping at Styx and Stoned.
 

BH

. . . .
Yep, and the start-up cost is probably that of a few man-year salaries. Add in the maintenance contracts that probably exceed those few people's benefits and you have a real cost saver against that bottom line.

I did some work in a Rockwell plant in the early 80's that was completely state-of-the-art automation at the time, a show case plant. They put in a final assembly line at a cost of a million or 2 and cut an 18 person operation down to 6. The tolerances were better on the product, but they had to hire about a dozen high paid technicians to keep it running. Their bottom line was a bunch of capital spent, substantially more in salaries, a little time saved and a slightly better product. When that line went down, it took about 2 hours to back up and stop the entire plant. They finally admitted that it was not the best cost move they could have made.

Technology for the sake of technology, rarely justifies itself in the long run....

I will not use the automated check outs at all....
 

Walrus Whisperer

Hope in chains...
NOW I know why they are going to have RIFDs in everything. So they will Tase the ones leaving without paying for something and they'll send a little surprise to your underwear.
:whistle:

D-el said:
"Your call is important to us. Someone will be with you as soon as possible. In the meantime, please enjoy the entire musical score from Phantom of the Opera and your call will be answered in the order it was received. We're currently serving number 17. Your number is 689. Thank you for shopping at Styx and Stoned. "

Sounds like that scene in Beetlejuice!
:lkick:
 

knickgnat

Veteran Member
Earthlink Help

Earthlink has an online help CHAT function if you need assistance - they want you to use it rather then call - absolutely drives me nuts, most of the time they don't know what they're talking about and leave you hanging for long periods. I don't even bother anymore - I just call....not that the service is necessarily better but at least I can display some emotion and frustration and occasionally the rep and I work out the problem together - hooray. If Kiosks are going to be like the telephone tag we play when we call a company for help and then play press 1 for this, press 2 for that, etc. and the options are not any you want - then you can keep the kiosks. What's interesting for me anyway is shopping on line or trying to get help about a problem sometimes is much better than phone - so I guess it depends on the company.
 

Melodi

Disaster Cat
An Irish neighbor told me the other day, "we don't shop in Tesco's anymore, we can't understand those machines they want you to pay with." We stopped shopping there for the most part as well, unless we are stuck or in a hurry. Then last night I read in the paper that Tesco is coming out with a "super-discount brand" to compete with the German discount stores. I suspect they all need to deal with customers who are going back to other super-markets where they have real live people to check you out.

I can see how this "video conferencing" could work well in a place like staples where people go for certain products, like printers or colored paper. The ideal would be you ask a person first, if the question is too complicated (specs on two different printers say) you can be directed to the booth for more in-depth information.

Trying to import this to a local supermarket (outside of a few places like maybe upper-class areas of Boston, San Francisco or London) sounds like a great boon to smaller grocery stores and big box Warehouse stores. That's because when folks want service they will go to the smaller stores that still have people in them and when they want to buy really cheap, they will put up with walking the isles at Super-Warehouse and dig through the 50 pound bags of cat litter in order to find the 24 case of diet coke to take home.

Just my thoughts...I think that the big retailer are going to try versions of this anyway (like the no-person check out lines) but some of them may discover that it just creates new markets, for other business to step into an fill the void.
 

pixmo

Bucktoothed feline member
I read somewhere a while back that McDonalds or some fast food chain was looking at having drive through order taker jobs being outsourced to a remote locale.

In essence, when you drive up to the menu screen and place your order, someone in a kiosk farm with a headset takes the order, interacts with the customer, and the order is placed in a queue that can be viewed by the kitchen staff on a computer screen.

Will see if I can find that article...personally, I'd rather have some human interaction if I'm going to visit the store.
 

pixmo

Bucktoothed feline member
Looks like they have already implemented this idea and have been using it for a while.

Here's a recent article:

Company offers stay-at-home jobs

SILVER CITY — Imagine a day when you crawl out of bed, grab a cup of coffee and stumble to work in your pajamas. Your first customer orders a Big Mac, fries and a drink, but you're sitting in your living room sipping coffee.

Sounds more like you're still in bed dreaming, but in reality that is the kind of job opportunity coming to Silver City on July 31 when Verety LLC holds a job fair.

At a time when many in the community have call center training and are soon to be out of a job, Verety's move into Silver City is a welcomed one.

"I think it is a good initiative. It is going to tap into other types of job seekers — stay-at-home moms and college students, seniors and others that want to work from home on flexible basis," said Bonnie Zelinko area director for the New Mexico Workforce Connection Center.

Zelinko said the Department of Workforce Solutions is helping Verety set up the job fair and said she feels that with Teleperformance closing its doors, the job opportunity is not only good for Grant County, but desired.

"When we did our assessment with Teleperformance, over 100 responded and a big percentage said they would like to work out of their homes," she said.

The company aims to hire 100 to 150 employees and is interested in bilingual employees — offering $7 to $7.50 an hour for English-speaking only and $8 to $8.50 an hour for bilingual employees.
Chris Daly, vice president of Business Operations and Planning, said the company began in 2004 with a call center-type structure, but soon moved to a work-from-home model with the advance of the technical age and growing concerns over fuel prices.

The company currently serves one client, McDonald's, and employees about 350 across the country who work from home and take orders over the Internet.

"The way the system works is, when a car pulls up to a drive-through box, a signal is sent to our call center, which is patched to the first available specialists," Daly said. "Because we have so many there is no wait time."

Employees are called Remote Order Specialists and use a computer, supplied by Verety, that displays all the menu items, prices, specials and any unavailable items at the store they are connected with.

The specialist takes the order and the information is sent to a digital screen at the store where on-site employees prepare the order.

Daly said the business was started via Internet to help retain employees, who tend to have longer tenures when they can work from home. She said there are many benefits of Verety's service to such fast-food chains such as McDonald's.

"There is a lot of pressure on a cashier and a lot of things happening at once," Daly said. "There is a big drive in the industry to keep customers happy. This way the employees can focus on their roles and ensure orders are filled correctly and they can provide friendlier and more accurate service."

She said the out-sourcing of the job of order-takers also helps fast-food chains in the personnel department. Typically turnover in fast-food chains is high and by out-sourcing this step in the process, the employees on site are free to do other tasks.

"We tend to have much higher retention and are able to give the employer more tenured people," Daly said.

Quality service sounds like an issue with this business model, but Daly said employees get two weeks of training and then there is staff that randomly monitors transactions to ensure quality of service.

McDonald's is currently Verety's only customer, but Daly said the company has huge plans, including growing its staff of 350 by a factor of 10 in the next year.

McDonald's spokeswoman Danya Proud said the call center approach to customer service is currently only being used at a small number of locations, but is so far proving a positive.

"The call center test represents a very small number of restaurants and is just one tool McDonald's USA is evaluating to improve our customers' restaurant experience," said Proud in a released statement. "We continue to learn from the test and results so far have been positive. No final decision has been made regarding adding additional call centers or restaurants."

Verety employees typically work a 32-hour work week, however, because it is all from home they can pick and choose their hours with the 24/7 service the company provides.

"Because of the time zones there is a big opportunity to pick your hours," Daly said. "We have stay-at-home moms who work a few hours in the morning and then, after the kids are put to bed, work a few more hours each evening."

Currently the company is working with Eastern New Mexico University's Roswell Branch as a training site for employees, but will soon have a training location open in Silver City through Western New Mexico University.

Linda Kay Jones, WNMU acting vice-president of Institutional Advancement, said the university is pleased to be working with Verety by providing training space.

Employees spend three days in classroom training then another week working on site to ensure they have the system down before taking their company-provided computer and going home.

The computer can even be used for personal use.

"The computer has two sides. You log in to one side to work and then you can log in to the other to surf the Internet or for the kids to do their homework," Daly said.

The only requirement for employees is to have access to DSL Internet services and the company pays a reimbursement that typically covers most the cost of the service.

Daly said the company hopes to recruit a strong load of students at the July 31 job fair and begin training by the end of August.

http://www.scsun-news.com/news/ci_9990666
 
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