PREP Food Panic

jehu

Mapper of Landmarks
Ok now that I have your attention, the purpose of this thread is to air an issue that is bugging me.

i noticed a thread about wheat shortages due to "folks panicing about the general state of things"

I also noticed that folks here have bought and stashed food.

Now I am not against prepping, storage, or even hoarding, but to do so out of panic is just idiotic.

If the general population, (notice the lack of the term sheeple) goes out and aquires 30 days worth of food, i can guarentee THERE WILL BE MAJOR SHORTAGES.

I will not argue that point at all.


What bugs me is the number of supposedly prep savvy people that are focused on food stores as opposed to food raising.

Would you rather have a 100pd bag of wheat, or a buck and doe rabbit?

100 cans of soup, or a hen and a roo?

200 pounds of rice, or a milk goat?

500pds of dehydrated meat , or a horse and single plow?

1000 MRE's, or a milk cow and breeding bull.


Throughout the course of time, mankinds food supply has been tenuous and based on the seasons harvest.

Food storage-ability simply gave a bufer to starvation, and now that you see the world polulation expanding such that that buffer is strained you now see the coming crises.

The issue is not food availbilty, it is the scarcity of diversety in the food chain.

If you are feeling panic over the availabilty of food in th enear future, I would suggest the oldest profession, husbandry.


Now stop worrying about the weight of the grocery shelves, and start focusing on how to beat the japanese beetle.
 

jehu

Mapper of Landmarks
Starvation has always been a very real factor, just ask the homeless and Ethiopians, however even on the dark continent there are those who eat well, they are just typically found out in the country growing "stuffs".
 

DustMusher

Inactive
Geeze, Louise --- I thought there was a crisis when I saw the ALERT prefex

All this is is a run of the mill TB Prep question.

jehu -- get a grip!

DM
 

Jonas Parker

Hooligan
Would you rather have a 100pd bag of wheat, or a buck and doe rabbit?

All three!

100 cans of soup, or a hen and a roo?

All 102!

200 pounds of rice, or a milk goat?

Both!

500pds of dehydrated meat , or a horse and single plow?

All the meat, plus the horse, plus the plow!

1000 MRE's, or a milk cow and breeding bull.

All 1002!

Just because someone else doesn't prepare doesn't mean that I shouldn't...
 

zkanker

Inactive
I'd rather have the soup, rice, dehydrated meat, and MRE's. I live in a 1 bedroom apartment. I sure wish I could afford that much food. I'm quickly using up the couple months worth of prep food I have after being cut to 32 hours a week by my employer. Where am I going to put a buck, rabbit, hen, kangaroo, goat, horse and a bull? http://www.timebomb2000.com/vb/images/smilies/shrug.gif
 

Vere My Sone

Inactive
well, I'd like to have all the above mentioned as well
cause I sure enough don't live far enough out to be able to hang onto the live stuff for very long

and this year, even if I harnessed my daughter's quarter horse up and did some plowing--there's been no moisture (until this week) to grow anything here
 

Scotto

Set Apart
I'd think that most of us here don't prep out of panic. Why do you think we're doing that? If you prep well, there is not a need to panic. If you don't prep and TSHTF, then of course you will panic once you realize you had your head up your arse.
Many of us prep AND have gardens and raise animals. But you can't raise gardens outside in the winter, so you need to store food.
 

bobpick

Inactive
What bugs me is the number of supposedly prep savvy people that are focused on food stores as opposed to food raising.

Would you rather have a 100pd bag of wheat, or a buck and doe rabbit?

100 cans of soup, or a hen and a roo?

200 pounds of rice, or a milk goat?

500pds of dehydrated meat , or a horse and single plow?

1000 MRE's, or a milk cow and breeding bull.

I would prefer foods that do not require food that can allow the uptake of radioactive material.

I would prefer foods that do not die.

I would prefer foods that can be stored in a corner of my basement instead of being stolen by a fox or hawk.
 

timbo

Deceased
Raising your own food and animals is the ideal. Continuity would be the key there.

However, as I have said many times here, you MUST survive the first 90 days of TEOTWAWKI to be able to keep going.

The first 90 days will be chaos as we have never seen in the USA.

If you survive those 90 days, then having your own farm of crops and animals will keep you going.

Before the 90 days are over, I'm afraid you will have to live with your chicken and cow and bull and anybody else you have around. Keep em close. They are food for the hordes.
 

ejagno

Veteran Member
I WANT IT ALL and most here balance the two so maybe you should spend some time doing a little more extensive reading of the archives and less time being critical. Please, by all means, post you growing experiences and husbandry tips and ideas for all of us to learn by. That is what we do here. I trust that you will soon realize that at any given point and time you will need both. I cannot take my garden with me when I evacuate but I sure as hell can take the thousands of canned and dehydrated foods easily. I cannot take chickens but I can take powdered eggs. I cannot take a cow but I can take my stock of Nido milk and canned butter. Do you see the point here?
 

mbabulldog

Has No Life - Lives on TB
sorry man, but the majority of the United States does not live in/on domiciles that allow room or zoning for livestock. Personally, I think it would be a GOOD problem to have with food shortages, because it would mean that Americans are FINALLY waking up to the need for stocked pantries.

Shortages that develop for that reason will be temporary. But the actions that resulted in those shortages will save MILLIONS of lives when TSHTF.
 

Pass Go

Inactive
.sorry man, but the majority of the United States does not live in/on domiciles that allow room or zoning for livestock MBABulldog

My lot is only an acre so I can't have chickens and a couple of goats in the city because of zoning?

I think raising rabbits is an excellent way to prep. I'll also be bird hunting and luring in squirrels.

When the time comes.
 

Hfcomms

EN66iq
It's the preppers who have been buying and storing foodstuffs and other needed sundry's who won't be adding to the panic's when they do come. People panic because they are unprepared and don't know what to do. Anyone who has been at this for awhile has no need to panic and go on a buying binge when the next crisis rolls around the corner.
 

Warthog

Tusk Up
This article should go good with this thead! Please read and heed my fellow bombers! Something wicked comes our way!
Warty Warning


Thursday, July 24, 2008
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.printable&pageId=70281


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WorldNetDaily Exclusive
Are feds stockpiling survival food?
'These circumstances certainly raise red flags'

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Posted: July 24, 2008
12:00 am Eastern




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A Wall Street Journal columnist has advised people to "start stockpiling food" and an ABC News Report says "there are worrying signs appearing in the United States where some … locals are beginning to hoard supplies." Now there's concern that the U.S. government may be competing with consumers for stocks of storable food.

"We're told that the feds bought the entire container of canned butter when it hit the California docks. (Something's up!)," said officials at Best Prices Storable Foods in an advisory to customers.

Spokesman Bruce Hopkins told WND he also has had trouble obtaining No. 10 cans of various products from one of the world's larger suppliers of food stores, Oregon Freeze Dry.

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He said a company official told him on the telephone when he discussed the status of his order that it was because the government had purchased massive quantities of products, leaving none for other customers.

That, however, was denied by Oregon Freeze Dry. In a website statement, the company confirmed it cannot assure supplying some items to customers.

"We regret to inform you Oregon Freeze Dry cannot satisfy all Mountain House #10 can orders and we have removed #10 cans from our website temporarily," the company tells frustrated customers. "The reason for this is sales of #10 cans have continued to increase. OFD is allocating as much production capacity as possible to this market segment, but we must maintain capacity for our other market segments as well."

The company statement continues, "We want to clarify inaccurate information we’ve seen on the Internet. This situation is not due to sales to the government domestically or in Iraq. We do sell products to this market, but we also sell other market segments … The reason for this decision is solely due to an unprecedented sales spike in #10 cans sales.

"We expect this situation to be necessary for several months although this isn’t a guarantee. We will update this information as soon as we know more. We apologize for this inconvenience and appreciate your patience. We sincerely hope you will continue to be Mountain House customers in the future," the company statement said.

But Hopkins wasn't backing away from his concerns.

"The government just came in and said they're buying it. They did pay for it," he told WND about the summertime shipment of long-term storage butter. "They took it and no one else could have it.

"We don't know why. The feds then went to freeze dried companies, and bought most of their canned stock," he said.

A spokeswoman for Oregon Freeze Dry, sales manager Melanie Cornutt, told WND that the increasing demand for food that can be stored has been on the rise since Hurricane Katrina devastated large sections of the Gulf Coast, cutting off ordinary supply routes.

"We are currently out of stock on our cans. We are not selling any of our cans," she confirmed.

She then raised the issue of government purchases herself.

"We do sell to the government [but] it is not the reason [for company sales limits]," she said.

Officials with the Federal Emergency Management Agency told WND whatever government agency is buying in a surge it isn't them. They reported a stockpile of about six million meals which has not changed significantly in an extended period.

But Hopkins said it was his opinion the government is purchasing huge quantities of food for stockpiles, and Americans will have to surmise why.

"We don't have shelters that [are being] stocked with food. We're not doing this for the public. My only conclusion is that they're stocking up for themselves," he said of government officials.

Blogger Holly Deyo issued an alert this week announcing, "Unprecedented demand cleans out major storable food supplier through 2009."

"It came to our attention today, that the world's largest producer of storable foods, Mountain House, is currently out of stock of ALL #10 cans of freeze dried foods, not just the Turkey Tetrazzini. They will NOT have product now through 2009," she said.

"This information was learned by a Mountain House dealer who shared it with me this morning. In personally talking with the company immediately after, Mountain House verified the information is true. Customer service stated, 'I'm surprised they don't have this posted on the website yet.' She said they have such a backlog of orders, Mountain House will not be taking any #10 can food requests through the remainder of this year and all of the next.

"Mountain House claims this situation is due to a backlog of orders, which may very well be true, but who is purchasing all of their food? This is a massive global corporation.

"One idea: the military. Tensions are ramping up with Iran and news segments debate whether or not we will implement a preemptive strike in conjunction with Israel," she wrote.

Hopkins raised some of the same concerns, suggesting a military conflict could cause oil supplies to plummet, triggering a huge increase in the cost of food – when it would be available – because of the transportation issues.

The ABC report from just a few weeks ago quoted Jim Rawles, a former U.S. intelligence officer who runs a survival blog, saying food shortages soon could become a matter of survival in the U.S.

"I think that families should be prepared for times of crisis, whether it's a man-made disaster or a natural disaster, and I think it's wise and prudent to stock up on food," he told ABC.

"If you get into a situation where fuel supplies are disrupted or even if the power grid were to go down for short periods of time, people can work around that," he said. "But you can't work around a lack of food – people starve, people panic and you end up with chaos in the streets."

At his California ranch, the location of which is kept secret, he said, "We have more than a three-year supply of food here."

In the Wall Street Journal, columnist Brett Arends warned, "Maybe it's time for Americans to start stockpiling food.

"No, this is not a drill," he wrote.

His concern was about various food shortages around the globe, and the fact that in a global market, prices in the U.S. reflect difficulties in other parts of the world quickly.

Professor Lawrence F. Roberge, a biologist who has worked with a number of universities and has taught online courses, told WND he's been following the growing concern over food supplies.

He also confirmed to WND reports of the government purchasing vast quantities of long-term storable foods.

He said that naturally would be kept secret to avoid panicking the public, such as when word leaks out to customers that a bank may be insolvent, and depositors frantically try to retrieve their cash.
 

theoutlands

Official Resister
Would you rather have a 100pd bag of wheat, or a buck and doe rabbit?

100 cans of soup, or a hen and a roo?

200 pounds of rice, or a milk goat?

500pds of dehydrated meat , or a horse and single plow?

1000 MRE's, or a milk cow and breeding bull.

You do realize that Column A and Column B cover two nutritionally discrete components, yes?

Also, you mentioned a milk goat - you are aware you need a buck for the nanny to make milk.

People prep what they can and what they feel is appropriate. Don't gripe.
 

Krymsonowl

Inactive
I would love to have all those things, unfortunately I live in a little apt with a small area for gardening (very small) I do have a couple of squash plants and for animals I have my cat. Don't think the landlord will let me have a goat or chickens and fibbing and saying they are an exotic breed of cat probably won't work. This means I will have to rely on canned foods.
 

kilagal

Senior Member
Ok, I know I am the new person here. But let's be honest. I live 15 miles out of town. I have almost 3 acres. I USED to raise milk goats, notice I said used to. I took care of my 90 year old mil for over 20 years the last couple of years she got very bad. And she would turn the goats loose in the garden. So I got rid of the goats. She turned rabbits loose as well so I got rid of those as well. Well a little over a year ago she moved back East with one of her daughters. So ok I would get goats again. But first I checked on hay. For good alfalfa hay it is now $200 a ton where I live. By the bale it is $10 at the feed store.
Ok so I went back into rabbits. I like them they are easy to take care of. They taste great. But now here is the problem again, hay. I do feed hay to my rabbits as well as pellets. In the last couple of weeks pellets have jumped in price they are now $15 per 50 pound bag. Rabbits are not cheap either for breeding stock. And not always easy to find anymore. A lot of people have been raising mini rabbits instead of meat rabbits. So I went 50 miles one way to get a nice New Zealand doe. She was not quite ready to breed age wise and had to pay $12 which was a lot better than the prices I had found locally. But then again you have to have cages, which also cost money. You have to take time to keep track of when to put in nest boxes, etc. There is work involved with it. It does not do it'self so if say a dh and dw both work and have small children they may not have time to take care of the critters. And also you need to check on them during the day if it is 90* outside and they spill there water.
Cows are still another story. I do not have room here to raise one. But it takes a long time to see a return in milk and calf. But in the meantime what if said cow falls on the ice and breaks a leg? You have to put said cow down. So all you have invested in it is gone. Or if dogs chase the cow while you are gone and it looses it's calf you have lost another year of milk and meat.
Chickens. I do raise chickens. But that is not foolproof. They build a new house in what used to be an open field across the road from me about 4 years ago. Well when they did I ended up with skunks. And not just one or two. I shot and hauled off 13 of those suckers. Then last year after thinking we had it all figured out (we put cement floors in the chicken coop) we had 35 chickens locked up at night and in 2 nights we lost all of those chickens without a feather left behind. And no noise either.
Yes I do like to have the animals. And I do have the rabbits, chickens and some muscovie ducks. But I am home almost all the time. And I spend a LOT of time taking care of them. All the way from breeding to birthing to butchering them.
And I also have a very big garden. It takes me a good 4 hours a day just watering the garden. I do not even water my yard. I do not plant flowers unless they are useable things like herbs as well. But this is something that must be done. No taking off for a couple of days to just go and goof off when the weather is hot. It must be done. And then there is the canning and dehydration and freezing. But most things are not frozen. I also run a root cellar for fresh stuff.
So I am here to tell you most people do not have the time to do it all and do it the way that they want to have it done.
 

Freeholder

This too shall pass.
We only have one acre of land. I have dairy goats (and a buck and a pack wether); meat rabbits; laying hens (and some Silkies for hatching and brooding); a garden and a few fruit trees which might actually start producing next year.

I ALSO stock up on as much stuff as I can afford and have room to store.

As for feeding the animals, yes, it's getting darned expensive. A bale of alfalfa from the feed store -- weighing over a hundred pounds -- is now up to about $17.00. OUCH. Last year I paid $215/ton for hay from a local grower; I'm sure it will be higher this year. Chicken feed and rabbit pellets are up, also. But I can raise enough food for the chickens and rabbits on our one acre -- hopefully next year that will actually happen. I can raise part of the feed for the goats here, and take them out to forage any time there isn't too much snow on the ground.

I know that there are a lot of people who can't keep animals, or have a garden (though if I was in that situation, I'd be looking to move ASAP!). But anyone who CAN, SHOULD. Even if it isn't extremely convenient right now, you'll be thankful for the animals later, I'm pretty sure. I'm missing our family re-union over at the Coast (on our home ground) because I have to stay home and take care of the animals. I'll miss the church campout next month, for the same reason. I knew when I got them that I wasn't going to be able to go gallivanting -- it's the price I'm paying now to be sure we have food later.

As far as evacuating, if we have to evacuate, at least the goats WILL go with us, along with their pack saddles. If possible, the chickens and rabbits will also go, although I'm not sure I have enough small cages yet for all of them.

Kathleen
 
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