INTL BO Promises to "Remake the World"-(His Manifesto 4 The Planet-Transcript) See #45

Seeker

3 Bombs for Hawkins
Obama promises to 'remake the world'
By MIKE ALLEN | 7/24/08 2:36 PM EST

Addressing tens of thousands of elated Europeans massed in Berlin at twilight, presumptive Democratic nominee Barack Obama promised Thursday that he would work to unite Christians, Muslims and Jews in a safer, more united world. His 27-minute speech at the gold-topped Victory Column was interrupted by applause at least 30 times, with occasional audience chants of “O-ba-MA!” Billed as a speech about Transatlantic relations, it turned out to be a manifesto for the planet, with an appeal to “the burdens of global citizenship.” Reaching out to skeptics back home, he heralded “the dream of freedom” and declared firmly: “I love America.”

“People of Berlin, people of the world, this is our moment. This is our time,” he declared, offering himself “not as a candidate for president, but as a citizen, a proud citizen of the United States and a fellow citizen of the world.” Obama’s speech, the centerpiece of his presidential-style sweep of the Middle East and Europe, set a global agenda as expansive and audacious as any contemplated by a candidate for United States president.

“In Europe, the view that America is part of what has gone wrong in our world, rather than a force to help us make it right, has become all too common,” he said. “Yes, there have been differences between America and Europe. “No doubt, there will be differences in the future. But the burdens of global citizenship continue to bind us together,” Obama continued. “A change of leadership in Washington will not lift this burden. In this new century, Americans and Europeans alike will be required to do more, not less.” Invoking the fall of the Berlin Wall after the historic call by President Ronald Reagan at the nearby Brandenburg Gate, Obama declared that the greatest danger now “is to allow new walls to divide us from one another.” “The walls between old allies on either side of the Atlantic cannot stand,” he said. The walls between the countries with the most and those with the least cannot stand. The walls between races and tribes, natives and immigrants, Christians and Muslims and Jews cannot stand. These now are the walls we must tear down.”

In perhaps the most striking passage, Obama asserted: “I know my country has not perfected itself.” “But I also know how much I love America,” he said. “We are a people of improbable hope. With an eye towards the future, with resolve in our heart, let us remember this history, and answer our destiny, and remake the world once again.”

Obama’s sweeping vision also includes:

— "This is the moment when we must renew the goal of a world without nuclear weapons."

— "This is the moment we must help answer the call for a new dawn in the Middle East."

— "America has no better partner than Europe. Now is the time to build new bridges across the globe as strong as the one that bound us across the Atlantic. Now is the time to join together, through constant cooperation, strong institutions, shared sacrifice, and a global commitment to progress, to meet the challenges of the 21st century.”

— “My country must stand with yours and with Europe in sending a direct message to Iran that it must abandon its nuclear ambitions.”

— “The world should support the millions of Iraqis who seek to rebuild their lives, even as we pass responsibility to the Iraqi government and finally bring this war to a close.”

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0708/12028.html
 
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Fisher

Has No Life - Lives on TB
His 27-minute speech at the gold-topped Victory Column was interrupted by applause at least 30 times, with occasional audience chants of “O-ba-MA!”

I hestitate to even say what this speech makes me think of.........:shk:

This perhaps?...
 

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topcat46

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Obama now appears to be seriously promising things he should know he could not possibly deliver.

Seriously, this guy is NUTS!!!
 

Safecastle

Emergency Essentials Store
If this presumptuous and arrogant global campaign (and his already-in-process White House transition planning) doesn't mark the beginning of a reversal in momentum for Obama, then surely the die is cast ...

We are going to elect perhaps the last POTUS as currently spelled out by the Constitution. This man has no recognition of propriety, tradition, or legal precedent. His dreams and promises are without boundaries.

His ambition for glory is comparable only to a handful of historical emperor/conquerors.

Worse, his followers are legion in their devotion.

Yes, he will bring "change." He "is the one they've been waiting for." This is his "moment in time."
 

pops88

Girls with Guns Member
Barack Obama promised Thursday that he would work to unite Christians, Muslims and Jews in a safer, more united world.

He's looking more and more like the antichrist to me.
 

TheSearcher

Are you sure about that?
If this presumptuous and arrogant global campaign (and his already-in-process White House transition planning) doesn't mark the beginning of a reversal in momentum for Obama, then surely the die is cast ...

We are going to elect perhaps the last POTUS as currently spelled out by the Constitution. This man has no recognition of propriety, tradition, or legal precedent. His dreams and promises are without boundaries.

His ambition for glory is comparable only to a handful of historical emperor/conquerors.

Worse, his followers are legion in their devotion.

Yes, he will bring "change." He "is the one they've been waiting for." This is his "moment in time."

I really don't think he's going to win, but if he does, it'll be civil war. I even know the names of the groups:

Globalists vs. Sovereignists

McCain better squash him like the dung beetle he is. :smkd:

We have enough to deal with without fighting ourselves. Others are waiting for that, I am very sure.
 

lafrteacher

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True, then who is the false prophet that precedes him and paves his way?

The MEDIA could be the false prophet.

They are like the prophets who stood in the town's square to announce information to everyone. And, most people believe everything they say!
 

Fisher

Has No Life - Lives on TB
The World President To-Be

Excerpts

Fair use
http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,567919,00.html

By Gerhard Spörl

Anyone who saw Barack Obama at Berlin's Siegessäule on Thursday could recognize that this man will become the 44th president of the United States. He is more than ambitious -- he wants to lay claim to become the president of the world.

It was a ton to absorb -- and what a stupendous ride through world history: the story of his own family, the Berlin Airlift, terrorists, poorly secured nuclear material, the polar caps, World War II, America's errors, Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan, freedom. It's amazing one could even pack such a potpourri of issues into sentences and then succeed in squeezing them all into the space of a speech that lasted less than 30 minutes.

George W. Bush is yesterday, the Texas version of the arrogant world power. Obama is all about today: the "everybody really just wants to be brothers and save the world" utopia. As for us, we who sometimes admire and sometimes curse this somewhat anemic, pragmatic democracy, we will have to quickly get used to Barack Obama, the new leader of a lofty democracy that loves those big nice words -- words that warm our hearts and alarm our minds.
 

ocd

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I really don't think he's going to win, but if he does, it'll be civil war. I even know the names of the groups:

Globalists vs. Sovereignists

McCain better squash him like the dung beetle he is. :smkd:

We have enough to deal with without fighting ourselves. Others are waiting for that, I am very sure.

I wonder what 57 states will be on his side
 

Seeker

3 Bombs for Hawkins
BARACK OBAMA BERLIN SPEECH: 'A WORLD THAT STANDS AS ONE'
( Full Transcript, from Drudge Report)

Thank you to the citizens of Berlin and to the people of Germany. Let me thank Chancellor Merkel and Foreign Minister Steinmeier for welcoming me earlier today. Thank you Mayor Wowereit, the Berlin Senate, the police, and most of all thank you for this welcome.

I come to Berlin as so many of my countrymen have come before. Tonight, I speak to you not as a candidate for President, but as a citizen -- a proud citizen of the United States, and a fellow citizen of the world.

I know that I don't look like the Americans who've previously spoken in this great city. The journey that led me here is improbable. My mother was born in the heartland of America, but my father grew up herding goats in Kenya. His father -- my grandfather -- was a cook, a domestic servant to the British.

At the height of the Cold War, my father decided, like so many others in the forgotten corners of the world, that his yearning -- his dream -- required the freedom and opportunity promised by the West. And so he wrote letter after letter to universities all across America until somebody, somewhere answered his prayer for a better life.

That is why I'm here. And you are here because you too know that yearning. This city, of all cities, knows the dream of freedom. And you know that the only reason we stand here tonight is because men and women from both of our nations came together to work, and struggle, and sacrifice for that better life.

Ours is a partnership that truly began sixty years ago this summer, on the day when the first American plane touched down at Templehof.

On that day, much of this continent still lay in ruin.Ê The rubble of this city had yet to be built into a wall. The Soviet shadow had swept across Eastern Europe, while in the West, America, Britain, and France took stock of their losses, and pondered how the world might be remade.

This is where the two sides met.Ê And on the twenty-fourth of June, 1948, the Communists chose to blockade the western part of the city. They cut off food and supplies to more than two million Germans in an effort to extinguish the last flame of freedom in Berlin.

The size of our forces was no match for the much larger Soviet Army. And yet retreat would have allowed Communism to march across Europe. Where the last war had ended, another World War could have easily begun. All that stood in the way was Berlin.

Ê And that's when the airlift began -- when the largest and most unlikely rescue in history brought food and hope to the people of this city.

The odds were stacked against success. In the winter, a heavy fog filled the sky above, and many planes were forced to turn back without dropping off the needed supplies. The streets where we stand were filled with hungry families who had no comfort from the cold.Ê

But in the darkest hours, the people of Berlin kept the flame of hope burning. The people of Berlin refused to give up. And on one fall day, hundreds of thousands of Berliners came here, to the Tiergarten, and heard the city's mayor implore the world not to give up on freedom. "There is only one possibility," he said. "For us to stand together united until this battle is wonÉThe people of Berlin have spoken. We have done our duty, and we will keep on doing our duty. People of the world: now do your dutyÉPeople of the world, look at Berlin!"

People of the world -- look at Berlin!

Look at Berlin, where Germans and Americans learned to work together and trust each other less than three years after facing each other on the field of battle.

Look at Berlin, where the determination of a people met the generosity of the Marshall Plan and created a German miracle; where a victory over tyranny gave rise to NATO, the greatest alliance ever formed to defend our common security.Ê

Look at Berlin, where the bullet holes in the buildings and the somber stones and pillars near the Brandenburg Gate insist that we never forget our common humanity.Ê

People of the world -- look at Berlin, where a wall came down, a continent came together, and history proved that there is no challenge too great for a world that stands as one.ÊÊ

Sixty years after the airlift, we are called upon again. History has led us to a new crossroad, with new promise and new peril. When you, the German people, tore down that wall -- a wall that divided East and West; freedom and tyranny; fear and hope -- walls came tumbling down around the world. From Kiev to Cape Town, prison camps were closed, and the doors of democracy were opened. Markets opened too, and the spread of information and technology reduced barriers to opportunity and prosperity. While the 20th century taught us that we share a common destiny, the 21st has revealed a world more intertwined than at any time in human history.

The fall of the Berlin Wall brought new hope. But that very closeness has given rise to new dangers -- dangers that cannot be contained within the borders of a country or by the distance of an ocean.ÊÊ

The terrorists of September 11th plotted in Hamburg and trained in Kandahar and Karachi before killing thousands from all over the globe on American soil.Ê

As we speak, cars in Boston and factories in Beijing are melting the ice caps in the Arctic, shrinking coastlines in the Atlantic, and bringing drought to farms from Kansas to Kenya.

Poorly secured nuclear material in the former Soviet Union, or secrets from a scientist in Pakistan could help build a bomb that detonates in Paris. The poppies in Afghanistan become the heroin in Berlin. The poverty and violence in Somalia breeds the terror of tomorrow. The genocide in Darfur shames the conscience of us all.

In this new world, such dangerous currents have swept along faster than our efforts to contain them. That is why we cannot afford to be divided. No one nation, no matter how large or powerful, can defeat such challenges alone. None of us can deny these threats, or escape responsibility in meeting them. Yet, in the absence of Soviet tanks and a terrible wall, it has become easy to forget this truth. And if we're honest with each other, we know that sometimes, on both sides of the Atlantic, we have drifted apart, and forgotten our shared destiny.

In Europe, the view that America is part of what has gone wrong in our world, rather than a force to help make it right, has become all too common. In America, there are voices that deride and deny the importance of Europe's role in our security and our future. Both views miss the truth -- that Europeans today are bearing new burdens and taking more responsibility in critical parts of the world; and that just as American bases built in the last century still help to defend the security of this continent, so does our country still sacrifice greatly for freedom around the globe.

Yes, there have been differences between America and Europe. No doubt, there will be differences in the future. But the burdens of global citizenship continue to bind us together. A change of leadership in Washington will not lift this burden. In this new century, Americans and Europeans alike will be required to do more -- not less. Partnership and cooperation among nations is not a choice; it is the one way, the only way, to protect our common security and advance our common humanity.Ê

That is why the greatest danger of all is to allow new walls to divide us from one another. The walls between old allies on either side of the Atlantic cannot stand. The walls between the countries with the most and those with the least cannot stand. The walls between races and tribes; natives and immigrants; Christian and Muslim and Jew cannot stand. These now are the walls we must tear down.Ê

We know they have fallen before. After centuries of strife, the people of Europe have formed a Union of promise and prosperity. Here, at the base of a column built to mark victory in war, we meet in the center of a Europe at peace. Not only have walls come down in Berlin, but they have come down in Belfast, where Protestant and Catholic found a way to live together; in the Balkans, where our Atlantic alliance ended wars and brought savage war criminals to justice; and in South Africa, where the struggle of a courageous people defeated apartheid. Ê So history reminds us that walls can be torn down. But the task is never easy. True partnership and true progress requires constant work and sustained sacrifice. They require sharing the burdens of development and diplomacy; of progress and peace. They require allies who will listen to each other, learn from each other and, most of all, trust each other.Ê

That is why America cannot turn inward. That is why Europe cannot turn inward. America has no better partner than Europe. Now is the time to build new bridges across the globe as strong as the one that bound us across the Atlantic. Now is the time to join together, through constant cooperation, strong institutions, shared sacrifice, and a global commitment to progress, to meet the challenges of the 21st century. It was this spirit that led airlift planes to appear in the sky above our heads, and people to assemble where we stand today. And this is the moment when our nations -- and all nations -- must summon that spirit anew.

This is the moment when we must defeat terror and dry up the well of extremism that supports it. This threat is real and we cannot shrink from our responsibility to combat it. If we could create NATO to face down the Soviet Union, we can join in a new and global partnership to dismantle the networks that have struck in Madrid and Amman; in London and Bali; in Washington and New York. If we could win a battle of ideas against the communists, we can stand with the vast majority of Muslims who reject the extremism that leads to hate instead of hope.

This is the moment when we must renew our resolve to rout the terrorists who threaten our security in Afghanistan, and the traffickers who sell drugs on your streets. No one welcomes war. I recognize the enormous difficulties in Afghanistan. But my country and yours have a stake in seeing that NATO's first mission beyond Europe's borders is a success. For the people of Afghanistan, and for our shared security, the work must be done. America cannot do this alone. The Afghan people need our troops and your troops; our support and your support to defeat the Taliban and al Qaeda, to develop their economy, and to help them rebuild their nation. We have too much at stake to turn back now.

This is the moment when we must renew the goal of a world without nuclear weapons. The two superpowers that faced each other across the wall of this city came too close too often to destroying all we have built and all that we love. With that wall gone, we need not stand idly by and watch the further spread of the deadly atom. It is time to secure all loose nuclear materials; to stop the spread of nuclear weapons; and to reduce the arsenals from another era. This is the moment to begin the work of seeking the peace of a world without nuclear weapons.

This is the moment when every nation in Europe must have the chance to choose its own tomorrow free from the shadows of yesterday. In this century, we need a strong European Union that deepens the security and prosperity of this continent, while extending a hand abroad. In this century -- in this city of all cities -- we must reject the Cold War mind-set of the past, and resolve to work with Russia when we can, to stand up for our values when we must, and to seek a partnership that extends across this entire continent.

This is the moment when we must build on the wealth that open markets have created, and share its benefits more equitably. Trade has been a cornerstone of our growth and global development. But we will not be able to sustain this growth if it favors the few, and not the many. Together, we must forge trade that truly rewards the work that creates wealth, with meaningful protections for our people and our planet. This is the moment for trade that is free and fair for all.

This is the moment we must help answer the call for a new dawn in the Middle East. My country must stand with yours and with Europe in sending a direct message to Iran that it must abandon its nuclear ambitions. We must support the Lebanese who have marched and bled for democracy, and the Israelis and Palestinians who seek a secure and lasting peace. And despite past differences, this is the moment when the world should support the millions of Iraqis who seek to rebuild their lives, even as we pass responsibility to the Iraqi government and finally bring this war to a close.

This is the moment when we must come together to save this planet. Let us resolve that we will not leave our children a world where the oceans rise and famine spreads and terrible storms devastate our lands. Let us resolve that all nations -- including my own -- will act with the same seriousness of purpose as has your nation, and reduce the carbon we send into our atmosphere. This is the moment to give our children back their future. This is the moment to stand as one.

And this is the moment when we must give hope to those left behind in a globalized world. We must remember that the Cold War born in this city was not a battle for land or treasure. Sixty years ago, the planes that flew over Berlin did not drop bombs; instead they delivered food, and coal, and candy to grateful children. And in that show of solidarity, those pilots won more than a military victory. They won hearts and minds; love and loyalty and trust -- not just from the people in this city, but from all those who heard the story of what they did here.

Now the world will watch and remember what we do here -- what we do with this moment. Will we extend our hand to the people in the forgotten corners of this world who yearn for lives marked by dignity and opportunity; by security and justice? Will we lift the child in Bangladesh from poverty, shelter the refugee in Chad, and banish the scourge of AIDS in our time?

Will we stand for the human rights of the dissident in Burma, the blogger in Iran, or the voter in Zimbabwe? Will we give meaning to the words "never again" in Darfur?Ê

Will we acknowledge that there is no more powerful example than the one each of our nations projects to the world? Will we reject torture and stand for the rule of law? Will we welcome immigrants from different lands, and shun discrimination against those who don't look like us or worship like we do, and keep the promise of equality and opportunity for all of our people?

People of Berlin -- people of the world -- this is our moment. This is our time.Ê

I know my country has not perfected itself. At times, we've struggled to keep the promise of liberty and equality for all of our people. We've made our share of mistakes, and there are times when our actions around the world have not lived up to our best intentions.

But I also know how much I love America. I know that for more than two centuries, we have strived -- at great cost and great sacrifice -- to form a more perfect union; to seek, with other nations, a more hopeful world. Our allegiance has never been to any particular tribe or kingdom -- indeed, every language is spoken in our country; every culture has left its imprint on ours; every point of view is expressed in our public squares. What has always united us -- what has always driven our people; what drew my father to America's shores -- is a set of ideals that speak to aspirations shared by all people: that we can live free from fear and free from want; that we can speak our minds and assemble with whomever we choose and worship as we please.

Those are the aspirations that joined the fates of all nations in this city. Those aspirations are bigger than anything that drives us apart. It is because of those aspirations that the airlift began. It is because of those aspirations that all free people -- everywhere -- became citizens of Berlin. It is in pursuit of those aspirations that a new generation -- our generation -- must make our mark on history.

People of Berlin -- and people of the world -- the scale of our challenge is great. The road ahead will be long. But I come before you to say that we are heirs to a struggle for freedom. We are a people of improbable hope. Let us build on our common history, and seize our common destiny, and once again engage in that noble struggle to bring justice and peace to our world.

http://drudgereport.com/flash1.htm
 

ElevenO

Veteran Member
He's looking more and more like the antichrist to me.



Currently, I still doubts that he is THE Antichrist but----good grief----I still can't help but wonder if maybe you are right in your suspicions. If he eventually moves to Europe and ever mentions the phrase "seven year treaty with Israel" I'm gonna start building a bunker for myself in my backyard. :ld::shkr::eek::hlp::dstrs:
 

kozanne

Inactive
This guy is going to do it, isn't he? I say that in all seriousness and with alarm. He's going to make POTUS. I know how words can be used on people. You can manipulate people with words easier than I don't know what. He's got people eating out of the palm of his hand.

There is something going on here that nobody is seeing, or just a few people are seeing. Even in my own family, those of us who are 'for' Oblahma are aggressively for him. People are really getting reeled in by this guy.

I'm beginning to wonder if the people I kind of diss as 'tinfoil hatters' might be right about the spiritual side of this person.....maybe the old saying is right after all, "It's later than you think."

ElevenO, you're saying the same thing as I am...good Lord.
 
there are, and will be, many antichrists.

1 John 2:18

Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come; even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.


1 John 2:22

Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.


1 John 4:3

And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.


2 John 7

For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.


Obama Hussein has already denied Christ, in his own pathetic attempts to proclaim himself a Christian. he is one of "many" antichrists; which one, and what role he will play is yet to be seen.
 

TheSearcher

Are you sure about that?
I wonder what 57 states will be on his side

I don't think it will have a state-defined "Mason-Dixon" line. It'll be house to house at first, red state/blue state, red city/blue city to start. It could be bloodier that the North-South Civil War, just because each side will find itself mingled with the other, geographically.

Gawd, it could be so bad. :shk:
 

Hansa44

Justine Case
According to NBC News over 200,000 people attended his talk in Berlin and the crowds were cheering and roaring with applause at the end of his talk.
 

D_el

Veteran Member
maybe he is the false prophet and the AC is someone unknown to us yet.

MARANATHA

Could be but I would expect he'd be proclaiming another 'whose sandles I am not worthy to unlatch' type of message. 'O' is proclaiming himself too strongly to be second on the totem pole.


kozanne
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Originally Posted by D_el
True, then who is the false prophet that precedes him and paves his way?
Reverend "Wrong"????

:lkick: I would think his prophet would have much more credibility than the a-Reverend Wrong. Harry Belafonte has more credibility than Revwrong and I give Harry a -1 on a scale of 1-100.


lafrteacher
Quote:
Originally Posted by D_el
True, then who is the false prophet that precedes him and paves his way?
The MEDIA could be the false prophet.

They are like the prophets who stood in the town's square to announce information to everyone. And, most people believe everything they say!




Now that's a very interesting thought!!
 

ocd

Inactive
I don't think it will have a state-defined "Mason-Dixon" line. It'll be house to house at first, red state/blue state, red city/blue city to start. It could be bloodier that the North-South Civil War, just because each side will find itself mingled with the other, geographically.

Gawd, it could be so bad. :shk:

fighting within families also
 

CygnusXI

Inactive
As we speak, cars in Boston and factories in Beijing are melting the ice caps in the Arctic, shrinking coastlines in the Atlantic, and bringing drought to farms from Kansas to Kenya.

As we speak, cars in Boston and factories in Beijing are melting the ice caps in the Arctic, shrinking coastlines in the Atlantic, and bringing drought to farms from Kansas to Kenya.

As we speak, cars in Boston and factories in Beijing are melting the ice caps in the Arctic, shrinking coastlines in the Atlantic, and bringing drought to farms from Kansas to Kenya.

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Strong delusion indeed.
 

Beach

Veteran Member
Have you ever seen the movie "Miss Congeniality" with Sandra Bulloch? In this movie, the only way she could achieve the goal of becoming Miss America was to answer, in the question/answer division, that she wanted "world peace".

Obama is no different from that movie. He says nothing more or nothing less than what it takes to get elected. He's recently been accused of being a flip-flopper. To do that you have to change your positions. He doesn't change his positions, he holds more than one position at any given time, depending on who he is speaking to.

Dangerous man coupled with people who have been told they need change. I love this country, and while I realize there are things that need to be fixed, I don't accept the idea of wholesale change.
 

Dolphins1

Senior Member
Ya know, if this speech had been given here in America, I may not have given it as much thought. But the fact that he gave it in BERLIN of all places and his constant talk of world peace.....I'm not usually quick to make judgments on people, but if you are a Christian, now is the time to make sure your house is in order and tell as many people about Christ as you can. Think there is a coincidence that this and the alien story make news on the same day? Hold steady saints, the time has come......

God Bless,
David
 

Dolphins1

Senior Member
CNN's coverage included the enthralled - even mezmerized - comments of the German's who were leaving after the speech.

One man CLEARLY said "He is my New Messiah!"

Be careful and prepared when watching this man in any way.......
 

Brickhouse

Senior Member
Without a doubt, this man gives me the most uneasy, dreadful feeling of what is to come. I beg America to not vote him into office, but I wonder if that will stop him.
 
I have been quick to dismiss him as an anti-christ, but man oh man, when my dh and I were watching the news tonight and saw him say this, “People of Berlin, people of the world, this is our moment. This is our time,” he declared, offering himself “not as a candidate for president, but as a citizen, a proud citizen of the United States and a fellow citizen of the world.”, I looked at my dh and said 'Maybe his IS the AC' and he said he was thinking the same thing!
 

momof23goats

Deceased
I think alot of people are saying the same thing tonight. I say, a very tacky guy from chigo.
As for the Germans, well, they fell hook line and sinker for hitler also, so take it for what it is worth.
 

CHRIS.NBVRC

Inactive
Use for the: Civ Nat Sec Force

Will this be the group that hunts down those of us who do not bow down to the king upon hearing the music? (Daniel 3:15)? Another issue specific to Germany. The roots of what we call Germany can be traced back to the land that we now call Persia/Iran/Assyria etc. Many label Iran's leader as the new "Hitler"? Germany is positioning itself as "the" power of europe etc. Largest mil force, financial control etc. The current head of "Rome/Beast" is a german. His previous post was the enforcer of the office of the "Inquisition", of course they do not call it that anymore. Germany has always been the muscle for the "Un-Holy" empire. Of those who were bowing down to BHO, half were of the "Red-Brigades" types and the rest were "Immigrant (Turks etc) Workers". Mostly folks that are no friends of ours. I served in both Germany and Turkey, everything I observed showed them as loyal allies. That was back in the early 80's though.
 

KateCanada

Inactive
I really don't think he's going to win, but if he does, it'll be civil war. I even know the names of the groups:

Globalists vs. Sovereignists

McCain better squash him like the dung beetle he is. :smkd:

We have enough to deal with without fighting ourselves. Others are waiting for that, I am very sure.

I AGREE! Even lots in western Canada think he's a sham, con-artist. Talk of the town sort of speak. Empty suit, that's it. Zero on wisdom, forget humble, important qualities for a leader are absent in our opinion by lots here. Bring on the debates is what we are all anticipating (We're so into your politics this round ;) ). Can't wait! He did lousy in the question and answer sessions with Clinton. Should be interesting to watch.

I have been a terrific speaker/deliverer with crowds of people, been there, done that (work, coached by management), so long as I'm well prepared and practiced. On my feet, in a moment, I suck and so does he.
 

KateCanada

Inactive
Ya know, if this speech had been given here in America, I may not have given it as much thought. But the fact that he gave it in BERLIN of all places and his constant talk of world peace.....I'm not usually quick to make judgments on people, but if you are a Christian, now is the time to make sure your house is in order and tell as many people about Christ as you can. Think there is a coincidence that this and the alien story make news on the same day? Hold steady saints, the time has come......

God Bless,
David

AMEN
 
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