CRIME "He had a sucking chest wound,"

45nut

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http://articles.lancasteronline.com/local/4/224813

Two would-be robbers, apparently lying in wait before daybreak, picked on the wrong victim in Manheim early today.

One suspect, a 19-year-old Lancaster city man, was shot in the chest and died hours later at a local hospital.

The other fled on foot — without any loot — and is still at large.

Police did not identify any of the men.


The botched holdup occurred just after 5 this morning when two masked men dressed in black followed the operations manager of Power Pro Battery Company into his office at 210 S. Penn St., police said.

Knowing he was about to be robbed, the manager pulled out his own handgun, turned and fired twice, hitting one of the suspects in the wrist and chest just inside the front door of the building, police said.

The worker, whose name has not yet been released by police, then called his boss, John Roads.

"John, they tried to rob me," he said. "I shot somebody."

Both suspects fled east on foot, but the wounded robber collapsed about 400 yards away on West Stiegel Street, bleeding profusely from his chest.

Manheim Borough Police received word at 10:30 a.m. that the wounded robbery suspect had died. They did not release his name.

Police found a loaded TEC-9 semi-automatic handgun — a weapon that is rare yet increasing in popularity among criminals — nearby.

They also found baseball caps and a bandana, apparently worn by the two suspects.

Police were questioning the Power Pro Battery employee, whom they labeled a victim, this morning. They were also interviewing several other workers there.

"The victim has indicated to us that he acted in self-defense," Manheim Borough Police Chief Barry Weidman said.

"At this point it appears to be a robbery gone bad. We have no indication that it is any more than an attempted robbery."

Police marked off numerous pieces of evidence along the street early this morning. The southern end of Manheim is home to several businesses and several homes, as well as an elementary school, H.C. Burgard.

Bill Butler, 41, a resident of the 200 block of West Stiegel Street near the battery firm, said he was getting ready for work when he heard two gunshots. He looked out his guest-room window and saw two darkly dressed men running.

"I saw these two guys running about 20 feet apart," said Butler. "They were both dressed in black. One guy was behind the other, and he was going slower, and he was saying, 'Help me, he shot me.'"

Butler dialed 911.

Medical crews were dispatched to West Stiegel and Cherry streets at 5:25 a.m. Butler, a former Army medic who worked on an ambulance crew in West Virginia for 12 years, walked outside to help the wounded man.

"He had a sucking chest wound," said Butler.

Butler rode along with the Manheim Ambulance crew to Lancaster General Hospital. He said he held the wounded man's gloves over his wounds.

"He was conscious but fading. He said, 'I can't breathe,' and at one point he asked for his mother," said Butler. "It's something I've never seen before around here. I felt like I was back in the ambulance service."

Butler said the second robber fled north, through a brushy area between a building and parked trailers along the north side of West Stiegel Street.

Police launched a canine search but had not found the second suspect as of late this morning.

Roads said his worker, who was being questioned by borough police, had a license to carry the weapon. Police confirmed that.

Roads said the suspects were likely looking for cash and lying in wait for the operations manager to show up for work.

The company employs 14 people, including a team of drivers who carry cash to local junkyards to buy batteries. The firm reconditions the batteries for resale. Roads said employees for the firm have been robbed at least five times in its 10 years of existence.

The operations manager arrived for work shortly after 5 a.m. and parked his navy blue Chevrolet Avalanche along West Stiegel Street about 50 yards from Power Pro Battery.

Roads said the worker, sensing he was about to be robbed, intentionally left the business security system on so that it would trigger an alarm when the robbers entered. It did, and police were dispatched.

Roads added that there are surveillance cameras inside and outside the business, and that authorities are reviewing tapes.


:popcorn1: good guys won this match.
 

NC Susan

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By MICHAEL YODER, staff writer






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John Roads believes people should be able to defend themselves against criminals, even if it means using a firearm.The owner of Power Pro Battery Co., 210 S. Penn St., Manheim, said it was the right to possess a gun that potentially saved the life of his operations manager Tuesday and ended the life of a would-be robber.
Kevin Lee Smith, 19, of Lancaster, was shot and killed by the manager early Tuesday when Smith and an accomplice held up the manager with a semiautomatic weapon, police said. (Police asked that the manager's name not be published, because the accomplice was still at-large Tuesday night.)
Police said the manager acted in self-defense.


"We all have a right to come to work, to do our time and go home to our families," Roads said. "And nobody has a right to take that away from us."
Roads said he was at home when he got a phone call from the alarm company early Tuesday notifying him of a break-in at his business. He later heard from his manager, who told him he had shot a man.
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Roads said he or his manager usually opens the business before 6 a.m., but Tuesday was not his day to handle the task.
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"(The manager) had an angel in his pocket," Roads said, "and I can only hope that I would have been as lucky and as fortunate had it been me."The manager explained the robbery circumstances to Roads on Tuesday morning, telling him two men were hiding under the wooden steps leading to the front entrance of the building.
According to Roads:
The manager said the two men made a noise under the steps, dropping a cell phone and a backpack and alerting him to their presence.
As the manager put the key in the front door, the two men, wearing black clothing, baseball caps and bandannas over their faces, walked up the stairs and followed him into the business, pointing a TEC-9 semiautomatic weapon at his back.

They pushed him into an office five feet inside the entrance and stayed in the hallway, with a security camera in the hallway catching most of the action.

The two men patted down the manager, taking his wallet and a company cell phone. However, they failed to pat down his other pocket, which contained a small-caliber semiautomatic pistol that he carried for protection.

The manager was told to open the business safe, and as the two men briefly looked toward the door, he pulled the gun from his pocket, firing two shots at Smith, who was holding the TEC-9.
Everything happened in two to three minutes, the manager told Roads.




"They gave (my manager) a split second to defend himself, and he did," Roads said.
The two men ran from the business, dropping the gun near a telephone pole, and they also dropped other items along West Stiegel Street, including hats and a backpack.
Police said a preliminary examination of the TEC-9 showed the weapon was jammed, indicating that the trigger was pulled at some point. Police said they were not sure when it was discharged.
Blood spots were still visible on West Stiegel Street Tuesday afternoon.
Smith collapsed about 400 yards from the business as the other man ran from the scene.


Manheim Borough police were called to the shooting scene near the intersection of South Penn and West Stiegel streets just after 5 a.m., and they found Smith on the street with gunshot wounds to the chest and wrist.
Smith was transported to Lancaster General Hospital, where he died from the chest wound.
Manheim Borough police Chief Barry Weidman said he had never seen a robbery turn so violent in the town.


Weidman said the incident should show criminals that they don't always know who is carrying a gun, and who is willing to use one in self defense.
"It should show criminals that you may get away with things for a while, but it's going to catch up to you," Weidman said.
Lancaster County District Attorney Craig Stedman said his office was looking at the evidence.


Stedman said a person has the right to use deadly force if he or she has a reasonable belief that their life is in imminent danger. It does not have to be a crime with a gun involved.
"Obviously, in cases where you have a gun involved, it increases the stakes," Stedman said.


Weidman said the TEC-9, which he called a "street weapon," was one of the first used in a crime in Manheim. It will be sent for analysis and reviewed for evidence of past crimes through ballistic tests.
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Roads said the manager has worked for him for almost a year, and he characterized him as a levelheaded family man.
The manager was still working at the battery company about 4 p.m. Tuesday to catch up on time lost to the morning confrontation. Several of his family members, including his father, were standing watch outside the business Tuesday afternoon.


Roads said his business, which buys used batteries, refurbishes them and sells them, has experienced four to five break-ins during his nine years in business. He said people have tried to steal the cash box, but there were never any crimes involving a gun.


Roads said he has learned important lessons from the latest incident.
"A: You can never be too careful," Roads said. "And B: How would you like to live somewhere where you have no rights? The system works, we believe in the system, and thank God for our system."
Police were searching for the second man Tuesday night. He is described as 5 feet 8 inches tall, with a dark complexion and a medium build. He was wearing black clothing and a black baseball hat. Anyone with information is asked to call Manheim Borough police at 665-2481 or 664-1180.
E-mail: myoder@lnpnews.com




http://articles.lancasteronline.com/local/4/224858


 

Dozdoats

Deceased
"Robbery gone bad?"

Hardly. Thugs seeking to victimize hardworking Americans should all wind up in such fashion. I'm just sorry the manager will have to live with the aftermath of being forced to defend himself.

dd
 

mostlyharmless

Veteran Member
The company employs 14 people, including a team of drivers who carry cash to local junkyards to buy batteries.

Why are the employees carrying cash? Can't you set up an account with the junkyards? Worse, why is this information appearing in an article? Stupid, stupid, stupid.
 

lanod

Deceased
Scubasteve,
Most junk yards, especially small ones operate on a "cash and carry" basis. They have neither the desire nor knowledge to do a real accounting system. Plus small yard plus cash equals cheaper batteries for recycle. Simple economics.
 

Jumpy Frog

Browncoat sympathizer
Ran 400 yards with 2 shots to the chest? Damn!

The article said he had "a small-caliber semiautomatic pistol". IMO this is anything under a 9mm/40./.45ACP. Like a .22, .25, .32 or .380.........they do the job, but it may take awhile and you better hit something good.
 

imaginative

keep your eye on the ball
"I saw these two guys running about 20 feet apart," said Butler. "They were both dressed in black. One guy was behind the other, and he was going slower, and he was saying, 'Help me, he shot me.'"

I imagine that you are right on Jumpy- a .22 or something similar.

The OP said the incident was caught on video- I hope they release it.
 

mbo

Membership Revoked
I'm sure some liberal buttwipe over at the ACLU will try to trun this into some sort of racial hate crime perpetrated against the poor downtrodden person of color.






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Worrier King

Inactive
"The victim has indicated to us that he acted in self-defense," Manheim Borough Police Chief Barry Weidman said.

"At this point it appears to be a robbery gone bad. We have no indication that it is any more than an attempted robbery."

Fruedian slip of the tongue?
So to the police a "good" robbery is a successful one?
 

Pass Go

Inactive
All robber scumbags should have 200 yards to run with a couple of rounds in the chest so they can contemplate their demise.
 

45nut

Inactive
from the comments:

I found it interesting but not surprising that the gunman's weapon was mis-identified in the article as a "Tec-9". The identification may have even been made by the police who evidently didn't read the printed text on the side of the weapon that identifies it as an "AB-10". If you are local and actually get the newspaper with all the pictures you can see that the weapon is really an Intratec AB-10. The AB-10 was marketed to be a more PC version of the Tec-9. It doesn't have the threaded muzzle and barrel shroud of the Tec-9. It was typially sold with a 10 round magazine but the earlier normal capactity (20, 32, etc. round) magazines work equally well. The picture in the paper shows the AB-10 equpped with what appears to be a 30+ round magazine.
The Tec-9 and AB-10 are no longer manufactured but are available for legal purchase in most states on the used market. Early Tec-9s had a different design than the later, more common, variety and they were more easily modified to fire full-auto (one trigger pull resulting in multiple rounds fired). The AB-10 pictured was certainly manufactured as the "not easily modified to full-auto design."
The text of the article calls the weapon a semi-automatic weapon and then contradicts that with a picture caption that calls the weapon "a small machine gun". The AB-10 (or Tec-9) are no more deadly weapons (except possibly to the person using it) than almost any other semi-automatic 9mm handgun. For instance, 30+ round magazines are available for the Glock 17 or Glock 19 9mm pistols and the Glocks would be generally somewhat more reliable and accurate than the AB-10. The AB-10 and even more so, the Tec-9 look like "evil" military or full-auto weapons. This makes ignorant or un-informed people irrationally fear them more than more common semi-autos whch are no more or less effective.
ronhow

Glad someone caught that,, I did not notice.
 

Harbinger

Veteran Member
What! No Grandma or mommy yelling "My son/grandson didn't deserve this! He was a good boy!" Wow! I'm impressed..oh wait or has the news just not caught up with the deceast's family who is too busy passed out from last nights barbiturates! :whistle:
 

Tumbleweed

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What! No Grandma or mommy yelling "My son/grandson didn't deserve this! He was a good boy!" Wow! I'm impressed..oh wait or has the news just not caught up with the deceast's family who is too busy passed out from last nights barbiturates! :whistle:

You are absolutely right....and no doubt the perp's next-of-kin will indeed
start with the clueless, 'they just did it because he was black' BS! :kk2:

Why, their son/grandson was just in the wrong place at the wrong time....
he was trying to stop what was happening! :rolleyes: :boohoo: :kk1:

Wouldn't surprise me if the victim who defended himself ends up getting
sued for 'wrongful' death! :kk2:
 

Worrier King

Inactive
What! No Grandma or mommy yelling "My son/grandson didn't deserve this! He was a good boy!" Wow! I'm impressed..oh wait or has the news just not caught up with the deceast's family who is too busy passed out from last nights barbiturates! :whistle:

It's coming, they need time to get their ministers and councilmen to arrange t.v. coverage for a news conference.
 

The Freeholder

Inactive
Time to trot out my favorite Massad Ayoob quote:

"...a catastrophic failure in the victim selection process..."

And the more this happens, the better off we're all going to be.
 

Hacker

Computer Hacking Pirate
The article said he had "a small-caliber semiautomatic pistol". IMO this is anything under a 9mm/40./.45ACP. Like a .22, .25, .32 or .380.........they do the job, but it may take awhile and you better hit something good.

First rule when you find yourself in a gun fight . . . . . . bring a gun.
 

Brutus

Inactive
from the article said:
....a robbery gone bad....
Hmmm....

Sounds more like a robbery gone good to me. :shr:

And, the one who got away.....

I bet the winner of the Kentucky Derby couldn't have caught that yard ape!

:D
 
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