USA Is it proper for a U.S. Marine to salute a civilian?

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blackguard

blackguard

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Certain civilians, yes

The President of course because he is Commander-in-Chief but as far as other elected officials go none that I know of.

Semper Fi
 
TIK

TIK

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I'm not a Marine, and I only know one former Marine. So I don't speak from any place other than the heart when I say the following:

THAT IS BULLSHIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

OBAMA IS A SENATOR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I'm done. We are being SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO programmed right now it's not even freakin' funny. And my fellow IDIOT American citizens are going to fall for this buffoon and take what he says hook, line and sinker.

JEEEEEEEEEEEZ...I can't freaking believe this.
 
denfoote

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His CO should do an Article 15 on that dude for gross and negligent stupidity and conduct unbecoming a human being.
 
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night driver

ESFP adrift in INTJ sea
Pres as CinC.
SECDEF
SEC each service
I'm NOT sure on the last two.. someone will I'm sure send me to my lane...
 
buff

buff

Deceased
but also...

a marine is trained that when in doubt, you salute. better that than the alternative...they drill that in.
 
BigBadBossyDog

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Mark Armstrong said:
Perhaps B.O. was holding an American flag that isn't visible in the picture, due to the way it is cropped.
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Surely you jest. That evil man has removed the American flag from every piece of property he owns or is seen with. He's a traitor and, like Dennis, I wouldn't salute him. I might spit on him, though.
 
BaywaterRoss

BaywaterRoss

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Fisher said:
Here is a wider view.

Fair use
http://news.yahoo.com/nphotos/Barac...oViewer=/080722/ids_photos_wl/r3498821310.jpg
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The picture just isn't big enough, nor the background information comprehensive enough, to let us know whether the Marine should be saluting or not. He may not actually be saluting Obama.

In the "wide" view, we can see the barrel of a weapon heading down the ramp. Is there an officer walking behind or beside the weapon that the Marine can see and is actually saluting that officer? We can't tell.

These kinds of photos are sent out just to get people ranting and raving.

-Ross
 
PilotFighter

PilotFighter

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If he would have came off one of the planes in one of my many squadrons, he would have been given the one finger salute.
 
TIK

TIK

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From a dear friend via email....

As an US Army Band veteran and one who was drum major of the NORAD Band which performed for two presidents while I was in the service, I can state with a great deal of military experience and knowledge.... "With the exception of rendering honors to the surviving family at a military funeral, it is inappropriate for any serviceman to salute a civilian... and this includes members of congress."

The President of the United States is the Commander In Chief of the armed services and is given a proper salute by members of the armed services. He is not considered a civilian by the armed services.
 
mt4design

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I doubt Obama was the first person off that plane... and the salute was for who ever the Marine officer was that got off before him.

Mike
 
Caplock50

Caplock50

I am the Winter Warrior
At this point in time obama is kind of 'twixed in between'...He's more than just a senator, because he is running for President, and is, basically, the democratic choice. Yet, he is not yet the CIC. So, there's the 'confusion' part. In the army, I was taught that if someone was in civilian clothes, you didn't salute...unless you recognized them as being an officer. And as has already been said, "When in doubt,...salute!".

Oh, and again, as has already been said, you know that there *has* to be an officer traveling with obama...and a rather high ranking one at that. It is the way the military does things ya know. I think the soldier was saluting the 'group' which contained that officer.
 
TIK

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BaywaterRoss said:
The picture just isn't big enough, nor the background information comprehensive enough, to let us know whether the Marine should be saluting or not. He may not actually be saluting Obama.

In the "wide" view, we can see the barrel of a weapon heading down the ramp. Is there an officer walking behind or beside the weapon that the Marine can see and is actually saluting that officer? We can't tell.

These kinds of photos are sent out just to get people ranting and raving.

-Ross
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Hey Ross--we're just going off of what the "news" is reporting...and that's always correct, right?
 
Laurane

Laurane

Canadian Loonie
The Marine.....

could have been scratching his ear or listening to someone through headphones?.......not a salute?
 
day late

day late

money? whats that?
The ONLY reason a Marine or any other service member should salute a civilian, except the Prez., is if he holds and is wearing the C.M.H.
 
ChickenLittle

ChickenLittle

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I don't know about the Marines. My dad was a career Navy man. He always said they were instructed to salute it if it moved and paint it if it didn't.
 
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Publius

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I can't see why not! Civil power and authority is superior to military power in this country.:sal:
 
BaywaterRoss

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Okay, NOW I am unhappy!

I always record the news so that I can watch it later. I just started watching The Fox Report and they led off with this very story.

It seems clear to me from the video footage that the Marine WAS saluting Obama, which is WRONG.

Unless somebody can recognize the other members of the party as someone who should be saluted, then it looks like the Marine frakked up.

I recorded that section of the news with my digicam and here is the link to that video.

-Ross
 
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expose'

expose'

The Pulse......
I can see the barrel of a large gun coming off the plane right behind Obama - Could be the person carrying that weapon is of a high rank and that's who the Marine is saluting...? Otherwise...I have no idea...:shr:
 
BaywaterRoss

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expose' said:
I can see the barrel of a large gun coming off the plane right behind Obama - Could be the person carrying that weapon is of a high rank and that's who the Marine is saluting...? Otherwise...I have no idea...:shr:
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I said the same thing in Post #13, but check the video that I just posted in #25.

-Ross
 
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Publius

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BaywaterRoss said:
Okay, NOW I am unhappy!

I always record the news so that I can watch it later. I just started watching The Fox Report and they led off with this very story.

It seems clear to me from the video footage that the Marine WAS saluting Obama, which is WRONG.

Unless somebody can recognize the other members of the party as someone who should be saluted, then it looks like the Marine frakked up.

I recorded that section of the news with my digicam and here is the link to that video.

-Ross
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I don't blame you, I don't even consider Obama a U.S. Citizen so no one from this country should be saluting him.
 
Mkeith54

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IS anyone sure that this is truly a Marine? The uniform looks more like a civilian contractor than Marine. It (the Uniform) does not appear to be a flight suit, appears to be two piece not one, he has a drop leg holster, not issue that i recall, Helmet does not have Marine camo and his vest is not marine camo, just OD and does not appear to be current issue.


ETA What in the hell is Osama doing carrying a speed wrench in one hand, is he going to teach the Marines to fix Aircraft?
 
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Jumpy Frog

Browncoat sympathizer
Current Mil-Spec gear, including the drop rig on the leg. Non-issued items just have to be cleared by "the Brass".

My Major Bro flys with a issued M-9 in a issued Blackhawk thigh rig, though I told him the Safariland is much better. :shr:

As an aside was this the same Ospry flight that General David Petraeus was on with Ossama? If so that answers the question why the Marine is saluting.
 
NBCsurvivor

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A unique aspect of military courtesy is the salute. It is a gesture of respect and sign of comradeship among military service personnel. Accordingly, the salute is a uniform gesture; meaning that the highest man in rank returns the salute in the same form in which it is rendered to him. By saluting first, no officer implies that he is in any sense inferior to the senior whom he salutes.

The origins of saluting, like so many military customs and traditions, is shrouded in the past, but there are several possibilities concerning its beginnings. In the medieval days of chivalry, mounted knights in mail raised their visors to friends for the purpose of identification. Because of strict adherence to rank, the junior was required to make the first gesture.

Another possibility concerning the origins of saluting comes from an age when assassinations by dagger were not uncommon. It became the custom in such times for potential adversaries to approach each other with raised hand, palm to the front, showing that there was no concealed weapon.

It seems reasonable to assume, however, that the hand salute as now rendered in the military, evolved to some degree from the British navy. There is general agreement among scholars that the hand salute is actually the first part of "uncovering" in front of a senior. That practice gradually evolved over time into merely touching the cap, and became the present salute.

There are several types of military salutes - the hand salute, the rifle salute at order arms, a rifle salute at right shoulder, and still another rifle salute at present arms. "Eyes Right" is another type of military salute which is rendered by troops in rank when passing in review.

A unique type of salute is the respect that is rendered over a grave by a military honor guard. Originally, three rifle volleys were fired into the air over the grave of a fallen soldier. This custom may well have originated in a perceived need to scare away evil spirits "escaping" from the dead. As in ancient times, it was believed that the hearts of the recently deceased were ajar at such times, allowing the devil to enter! Today, the homage and respect displayed at military funerals is a visible final tribute to those individuals who have served their country.

The various forms of military hand and gun salutes are administered by an individual or group as a sign of respect. Originating in customs, traditions, and even superstitions from our distant past, the salute has evolved from ancient times to become an important part of military etiquette.

http://www.marinecorps.com/node/155
 
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Lone Wolf

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Nutz!

Much ado about nothing!

A salute by this person is a salute to the complete "Entourage" under arms coming down the ramp. NOT to just Obama.

That person would not be there without having first been schooled in military
courtesy.

lw
 
BaywaterRoss

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Lone Wolf said:
Nutz!

Much ado about nothing!

A salute by this person is a salute to the complete "Entourage" under arms coming down the ramp. NOT to just Obama.

That person would not be there without having first been schooled in military
courtesy.

lw
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Did you look at the video? He dropped the salute after Obama passed, even though there was still someone walking down the ramp.

-Ross
 
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Jumpy Frog

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BaywaterRoss said:
Did you look at the video? He dropped the salute after Obama passed, even though there was still someone walking down the ramp.

-Ross
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OK, just saw the video. General David Petraeus got off the aircraft first, the Marine held the salute till all VIP's with the General had disembarked. Common protocol. The General is seen coming back towards the party as if he's going to grab their unused armor helmets and BALCS vests.
 
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sailor girl

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Jumpy Frog said:
OK, just saw the video. General David Petraeus got off the aircraft first, the Marine held the salute till all VIP's with the General had disembarked. Common protocol. The General is seen coming back towards the party as if he's going to grab their unused armor helmets and BALCS vests.
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I concur. The photo seems to have been taken just as the Marine was getting ready to drop his salute (it is appropriate to hold your salute until the person being saluted moves from view). Although, in the NAYVEE it is permitted to salute just about anyone you please (as a sign of respect). In fact, the Bluejackets Manual even states that if you are saluted by a child you should return the salute.

Missy
 
BaywaterRoss

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Jumpy Frog said:
OK, just saw the video. General David Petraeus got off the aircraft first, the Marine held the salute till all VIP's with the General had disembarked. Common protocol. The General is seen coming back towards the party as if he's going to grab their unused armor helmets and BALCS vests.
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Thanks! I'm glad someone recognized the General. So the salute was appropriate.

Excellent!

-Ross
 
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