Mexico Destabilizing: Is War With USA Imminent?

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Ed

Mexico Destabilizing: Is War With USA Imminent?

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Mexico Destabilizing: Is War With USA Imminent?
By Xelan Bonn
WASHINGTON, D.C. - May 15, 2008

Now risen to the level of an insurgent war, the battle between the falling Kleptocratic Mexican government and supra-wealthy organized crime groups who now control much of Mexico's land areas, police forces, and even some of its military has hit a new milestone.
Exasperating political climates, the violence, bloodshed, and hatred for Americans South of the border, coupled with rising injustices and racism against and by US citizens, compounded by an incompetent federal government North of the border, are propagating the fires of civil discontent on both sides and about to strip-away the last veneers of civility.

Toss into the ugly political salad the mix of illegal immigration, free trade, high treason, disdain for the Constitution by US leaders, anti-rule-of-law anarchists groups and members of Congress (i.e. pro-open borders, pro-illegal immigration groups), and increasing economic pressures and uncertainties on both sides of the border, the climate is now ripe for growing a civil war.

Corrupted Mexican officials are driving an ever-increasing political wedge against Americans, demanding non-existent rights for millions of their invading hordes in direct violation of the Treaty of Guadalupe--giving the US the unilateral legal right to militarily invade Mexico and seize its oil fields and other natural assets. However, at the highest level of government, both countries remain safe from such political unthinkables--but then the choice as to whether the US goes to war with Mexico is not in either government's hands.

Somewhere, anywhere, perhaps along any stretch of the border where Mexican militants are becoming extremely aggressive, or within any US city where illegal aliens have coalesced, a violent event is now likely to unfold that could trigger a powerful domino effect, bringing both countries to war with lightening speed--citizen national against citizen national!

Along the borders, many patriotic Americans are often working side by side to prop up a greatly understaffed Border Patrol, as well as aid what many pundits claim is an incompetent, bureaucratically quagmired Department of Homeland Security. Such private groups, uncensored by government regulations, are now reporting that aggressive actions by both armed and unarmed Mexican citizens, coupled with high tensions on both sides of the border, are threatening to erupt into full-scale war--a war that neither government will be able to quell once ignited, they suggest. [1]

Gun fights between Mexicans and Americans on the borders are not unusual and many Border Patrol agents have lost their lives while others have been used, and even jailed, as international political fodder in a fight fraught with political and economic complexities and racial and nationalistic tensions.

Hatred is now growing on all sides of the issues and fences.

"The Brown Berets de Aztlan [in the US] have undertaken an active campaign to recruit more soldiers and form new chapters throughout Aztlan," said Chairman David Rico this month. (Aztlan is defined by this group as Southwest United States and parts of Mexico--to be a new country ruled by militant Mestizos--i.e. Mexicans).[3]

Making matters worse is the fact that Mexican human and drug smugglers have hired gang members, such as the international Mara Salvatrucha street gang, to kill U.S. Border Patrol agents.[4]

Across the country in cities like Los Angeles and Chicago, Latino gangs made-up of largely illegal aliens, are routinely practicing race-based murder against Whites and Blacks. [5]
Even members of Congress have splintered into race-biased groups, such as the Hispanic Caucus lead by Rep. Luis Gutierrez, a known anti-rule-of-law proponent of illegal immigration and original signatory to the unconstitutional Kennedy/McCain "comprehensive amnesty" bill proposal expected to cost taxpayers an estimated $7 to $36 trillion dollars over 30-years if approved. [5.2] (He is not alone in his disdain for the Constitution and law or anti-Americanisms, given Democratic House Majority Leader Nancy Pelosi's blocking of all progress on the SAVE Act, which would markedly end illegal immigration by forcing criminal employers to quit hiring illegal aliens.)

In the mean time, White and Black supremacist groups have remained largely benign, showing little retaliation against illegal alien Latino gangs to date, which could be a sign of a dangerous smoldering time bomb looking for an excuse to explode.

Activist groups, as well as state law makers, are routinely pointing out that the federal government has breeched its Constitutionally required duty under Article IV, Section IV to protect citizens and states from foreign invasion, instead choosing to play politics with the law and mislabeling the invasion (of an estimated 11-16 million armed and unarmed Mexican citizens and another 4-8 million nonMexicans) as merely unfortunate--ignoring the $300+ billion yearly impact on local and state governments and landslide of negative impacts on Americans.[6]


Each year, foreign invaders murder an estimated 4,380 Americans in their undeclared war on Americans, a death toll totaling more than the 5 years of war in Iraq combined. [7] Compounding the impacts, another 4,735 innocent Americans are slaughtered by illegal alien drunk drivers who should not be in the country at all but are allowed to remain by local, state, and federal law enforcement. [sic] Equally sickening is the fact that over 243 innocent children are brutally molested or raped each month by foreign intruders--tragic crimes that could have been avoided by simply enforcing our immigration laws--clearly Pelosi and Gutierrez stand against American children, given their Draconian positions and respective outcroppings. [sic]

Many journalist and researchers now conclude that President Bush and Congress have raised their collective incompetency to the level of criminal negligence, and even treason, for failing to deal with these issues as required by law and Constitution.[8] Criticism, legal, and political issues aside in the US, the war South of the border continues to escalate and threaten the US.

A United Nations survey of security and criminalization of 38 countries ranked Mexico "number one" in the category of "violent crime" in the use of firearms--a country where privately owned guns are largely illegal--much to the detriment of its defenseless citizens.[9]
In the state of Sinaloa, unarmed and unprotected families have locked themselves inside their homes in fear of being gunned down by pervasive local drug cartels who have killed over 46 Mexicans so far this month.[10] State and federal leaders have gathered in secret locations in a desperate attempt to figure out how to retake control.
[11]
Organized crime, which collectively earns an estimated $23 to $40+ billion annually from the illegal drug and human trafficking markets in the US, are growing bolder throughout Mexico and using their funding to corrupt anything and everything that stands in their way. They have hit an all-time high in both infiltration of government, as well as murder of prominent families, police, and army officials--racking up 102 executions nationally in just the last seven days.[12] Mexican armies are now spread thin, trying to quell the violence and warfare across one third of its territories but are losing ground--government leaders are highly alarmed. [13]

The raging war in Mexico has gotten so bad that three high ranking federal officers resigned their posts and asked the US government for "political asylum" last month.[13.2] The obvious implication is that the Mexican government can no longer protect its own and is now being seen as a political threat to upstanding citizens--such is the infiltration and corruption level within government by organized crime that now appears to be running much of the government (for all intents and purposes).

In the city of Tijuana, Wild West style shoot-outs on city streets have become common place between the forces of good and evil, with evil largely winning with impunity. A major cash cow for Mexican mafias, kidnapping along the border areas of both American and Mexican citizens has escalated to such a point that mayors of cities from Tijuana to Juarez have requested help from the Mexican Secretary of Government. [sic]

Even the US has entertained the idea of sending a billion dollar stipend to Mexico's deep dark financial hole (where so much money is known to mysteriously disappear). [14] Ironically, given the state of the Mexican government's corruption at all levels, such funds may ultimately end up in the hands of the very organized crime groups it was meant to fight--imagine Americans funding their own foe and demise!

Fueling the war fires by showing their lack of concern for opening the deadly Pandor'a Box onto American society, President Bush, Mexican President Calderon, and Canadian Prime Minister Harper are pressing forward aggressive plans to permanently open the border with Mexico to the US in advancement of their free trade agenda under the Security and Prosperity Partnership (SPP). The SPP, according to many research analyst, journalist, state legislators and other officials, has been deemed the precursor to the North American Union (NAU). The goal, they claim, is to eventually combine the US, Canada, and Mexico into one country under one currency--the "Amero"-- much like the European Union. It is a claim the three leaders flatly deny, but their actions, and those of all three governments, dictate the plan is well underway.[15]

The result has been that state legislators, like Arizona's State Senator Karen Johnson, have taken bold steps to stop the NAU and have threatened to secede their states from the union in the event unconstitutional mandates such as the SPP are attempted by the federal government. [16] Twelve states have some form of anti-SPP/NAU laws either secured or in the works. [17]

Citizens across the US are awakening to the facts with much anger and bitterness, pointing hatful fingers at both federal leaders and millions of unwanted foreign invaders stealing their resources and opportunities.

Compounding problems, Mexico's government has proven itself equally incompetent.
Admitting its own abuse of immigrants coming to Mexico from its South, the Mexican oligarchy of super-wealthy families who puppet-master the Congress and President, have perennially proven themselves unwilling and unable to deal with their own country's economic and immigration problems, or its endemic corruption. Their last resort agenda for their own failures has been to push their citizens out of Mexico and into the US toward keeping their economy from collapsing--using the ploy of blaming the US for criminalizing the trespass of its borders while crying racism--even though Mexico is comprised of many races and ethnicities--counting on the ignorance and assistance of the national mainstream new media in the US to swallow the bait and promote its smoke-screen rhetoric. [18]

Mexico will become one of the main expellers of its countrymen because of the high degree of violence and insecurity, according to Marion Hoffmann, regional representative of the U.N. High Commissioner for Refugees in the Distrito Federal.[19]

Then there are, of course, the drug and human trafficking wars still raging on and threatening the US in too many ways.

Mexican border cities everywhere can be exampled by Juarez where deadly violence has become a mainstay and is spilling across into the US with tragic consequences--that city alone reported 31 dead for the first twelve days of May.

Characterized as " very dangerous"..."potentially deadly" by Rob Daniels of Border Patrol, Mexican gunmen stormed an armed National Guard unit in Arizona between Lukeville and Nogales showing their disdain for the US and its security measures. [20]


"There has been an over-100 percent increase in the last fiscal year in border violence aimed at our Border Patrol agents, and that ranges from gunshots fired across the border to rocks being thrown, sometimes flaming rocks," said Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff.[21]

Mexicans have heavily armed themselves and are increasingly prepared to use force to ensure their continued US invasion via both drug and human trafficking.[22]

"They've got weapons, high-tech radios, computers, cell phones, Global Positioning Systems, spotters and can react faster than we are able to," said Shawn P. Moran, a 10-year U.S. Border Patrol veteran who serves as vice president of the National Border Patrol Council Local 1613 in San Diego. [sic]

"And they have no hesitancy to attack the agents on the line, with anything from assault rifles and improvised Molotov cocktails to rocks, concrete slabs and bottles," he said. "There are so many agent 'rockings' that few are even reported anymore. If we wrote them all up, that's all we would be doing," he said. [sic]

In Arizona and California, Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) scratched the surface of criminal overspill into the US from Mexico when they raided two dwellings to save over a hundred illegal alien kidnapped victims being held hostage by Mexican organized crime. [22.1]
The political artifice that unsecured borders and immigration is merely a minor issue unworthy of solving by US leaders contrasts the hard reality that we are now engaged in a low level war with Mexico--a war that could escalate at any moment.

Compounding the violent aspects are the racist aspects from both camps, on both sides of the border.

In Mexico, a recent Zogby poll declared that the vast majority of Mexican citizens hate Americans. [22.2] Mexico is a country saturated with racism, yet in denial, having never endured the social development of a Civil Rights movement like in the US--Blacks are harshly treated while foreign Whites are often seen as the enemy. [22.3] In fact, racism as workplace discrimination can be seen across the US anywhere the illegal alien Latino works--the vast majority of the workforce is usually strictly Latino, excluding Blacks, Whites, Asians, and others. [22.4] This has not gone unnoticed by US citizen workers.
In the US, growing worker frustration from wage devaluation and job losses due to illegal immigration and free trade, as well as a faltering economy is spurring increased intolerance for both illegal aliens and those in the Hispanic communities who are increasingly seen as co-conspirators for their failure to speak-out loud and clear against the foreign invasion. Hate crimes have been on a steady increase since 2005 with 7,722 reported in 2007 alone (the majority race-based), according to the FBI. [23]

Raising its ugly head in 2002 and making a recent comeback, the Flash video game known as Border Patrol is again increasing its popularity across the US on the Net. In what is seen as racist or hate-mongering content, the video features the US-Mexican border and illegal aliens trying to cross--points are scored for killing illegal aliens.

Such social trends tend to show increasing frustrations and underlying anger of US citizens that is fueling an undercurrent mix of nationalism and racial tensions between Americans and Mexicans in particular. [24]

Adding unwanted fuel to race tensions is the mainstream news media's insistence on not reporting the facts on illegal immigration or the dangers of open borders while focusing on the agendas and rhetoric of race-based groups. For example, pro illegal immigration activist Alfredo Gutierrez, an alleged Latino racist, revealed the group's agenda and strategy that is still in use to this day.

“We call things racism just to get attention. We reduce complicated problems to racism, not because it is racism, but because it works.” [25]

Such statements have been turned into a mainstream news media platform, which has been consistently brought forward in the press and is actually racist in and of itself--for it promotes the race-based agenda of those who support illegal immigration, which devalues fact exploration, rule-of-law, Constitutional respect, and logical conclusions surrounding highly complex issues that are severely and negatively impacting Americans--and now skewing both camps toward a war footing.

The sad irony is that illegal aliens come in all races and ethnicities, including Euro-whites, so while race clearly plays a role on both sides of the issue toward fueling hatred in both camps, race itself in not the central issue--not by a long shot.

This administration and this Congress are and will be responsible for the deaths of thousands of our citizens for their failure to secure our borders and they should be held [legally] accountable, said Lou Dobbs, of CNN's Lou Dobbs Tonight. [26]

If anything is clear from these trends and developments, it is that Congress's dereliction of duty to ensure the enforcement of our current laws, and the President's preoccupation with his treasonous SPP project that is undermining trust in government and fueling nationalism, are two major underlying weights pressuring a frustrated citizenry toward a predilection for violence that has, as yet, remained well constrained. For there are two camps of citizens in America--those who clearly see the threats and are ready to fight for their country--and those who have kept their heads in the sands and are ready to run away from their country--the former will likely do all the deciding for the latter.

The issue, although clearly not about race at its roots, is quickly becoming a political wildfire about race and nationalism due to the rudderless and incompetent national leadership of two countries whose failed policies and lack of solution-making on behalf of their citizens, is outcropping us all toward yet another preventable catastrophe. Citizens are being forced to the solve the problems government refuses to deal with, and as we all know, that's when things go to hell.

Americans will never tolerate an open border with Mexico and they want control of their country, immigration, and borders, and security returned to them, while Mexico's citizens will likely tire of living in fear in their own land--they will at some point, as in their historical past, rise up to take matters into their own hands. We could very well be in the midst of the starting stages of the next Mexican Revolution where both mafias and governments may soon learn to fear the people--but it's a civil war more likely than not to ignite first on American soil--where one stupid act labeled as "racism" by one side or the other, could trigger it all.

One thing is certain for both country's citizens--they each deserve better from their government and leaders--and they each deserve a country that works!
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Worrier King

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The U.S., led by the dem/repubs, has done a slow surrender to Mexico for 4 decades now. If D.C. uses their military, it will be on U.S. citizens who oppose the dem/repubs plan for Mexican/Latino integration.

Class warfare in Mexico spreading to the U.S. The perfect environment for America's version of Vladmir Lenin, Barack Obama, to thrive in. And in addition to the class warfare, which has already started in the U.S. with our ongoing liquidation at the hands of the corporatocracy, they'll also play the race card.

Already, Mexicans are let go as whites are required to present license, registration and insurance. And if whites don't comply, they are taken into custody and looted by the courts.
 

UncurledA

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Lots of good points in this article, Ed.

Is it possible that Mexico, seeing they can't have the U.S. as both a friend and an enemy at the same time, and seeing the status quo with America as not working very well lately to strengthen their hold on power, is quietly aligning with China ? China, in such a scenario where a tension was set off with Mex, would play Mexico as a surrogate "offended ally", justifying miltary action into the U.S. This would be especially possible if some of the social and governmental unraveling described in the article occurred in the U.S. to destabilize it, prior to their action. Our military would be busy with the civil problems, deployed thin, and facing the difficulty of fighting a war which would, this time, have U.S. citizens as the "collateral damage". Hopefully, this is just a hypothesis, but it seems a plausible one.

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Mzkitty

I give up.
Each year, foreign invaders murder an estimated 4,380 Americans in their undeclared war on Americans, a death toll totaling more than the 5 years of war in Iraq combined. [7] Compounding the impacts, another 4,735 innocent Americans are slaughtered by illegal alien drunk drivers who should not be in the country at all but are allowed to remain by local, state, and federal law enforcement. [sic] Equally sickening is the fact that over 243 innocent children are brutally molested or raped each month by foreign intruders--tragic crimes that could have been avoided by simply enforcing our immigration laws--clearly Pelosi and Gutierrez stand against American children, given their Draconian positions and respective outcroppings. [sic]


This, plus the money drain, and actually all of the above, are why they need to all be deported. Who's going to do it.


:dvl2:
 

Fred's Horseradish

Membership Revoked
I think about the reality of this a lot here in the mts of NE Calif. One would need the protection of a lot of powerful angels or be well armed. Being on further So in Cali will be a problem.
 

LXF71

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While everyone is turning blue in the face over issues in the Middle East, This is going to blow up in our face. We are concerning ourself with the wrong part of the world.
 

Ben Sunday

Has No Life - Lives on TB
The last realistic opportunity to crush Mexico was way back in the first years of the Coolidge Administration. There were serious tirades being tossed back and forth, as well as rumors of foreign involvement and developing insurgency. Some called for urgent military action against Mexico, but Coolidge resisted those calls, and used shuttle diplomacy with Dwight Morrow as his personal front man.

It is a lengthy and rather windy story, but that is the essence of the matter. It is history that you never hear of.

My own view is that war with Mexico is not necessarily imminent, but is certainly long overdue.

ETA: I have been warning about Obama triggering a race war here in the U.S. A hot conflict of Latinos-Blacks-Islamic-mongrel scum versus the White man. It is enough to give a cigar store Indian the shingles.
 

savurselvs

Veteran Member
got bullets??

A lot of small area schools are 70+% his panic.
But let us remember Judge not a man by the color of his skin but of the valor of his heart.
I know FINE men and families that have become citizens.
BUTTTTTTTTTTTTTT
If ya dont want to love this country, raise God fearing kids, :wvflg: speak English, Be willing to die for her then get the HELL out
 

Dennis Olson

Chief Curmudgeon
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I read the whole essay. Despite the fact that I find myself in greement with most of the points made, this piece comes across as some of the most spittle-spewing white supremacist crap I've read in a VERY long time. Goebbels could have written this essay IMO.
 

Rams82

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I read the whole essay. Despite the fact that I find myself in greement with most of the points made, this piece comes across as some of the most spittle-spewing white supremacist crap I've read in a VERY long time. Goebbels could have written this essay IMO.

Why?

ETA: Or were you just being sarcastic?
 

Dennis Olson

Chief Curmudgeon
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Not sarcastic at all. We've all discussed the ramifications of the illegal alien INVASION of the US. Many articles and essays posted have been enlightening, illuminating and enraging (sometimes all three).; But THIS particular one, the farther down I read, the more angry I became. The wording used is such that I honestly felt that someone in the KKK must've had a hand in it.

Just how it struck me overall....
 

Rams82

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Not sarcastic at all. We've all discussed the ramifications of the illegal alien INVASION of the US. Many articles and essays posted have been enlightening, illuminating and enraging (sometimes all three).; But THIS particular one, the farther down I read, the more angry I became. The wording used is such that I honestly felt that someone in the KKK must've had a hand in it.

Just how it struck me overall....

It didn't seem so to me. It seemed sympathetic to common people in Mexico in some parts.:shr:
 

homepark

Resist
The reality is that if we wish to keep entitlements, such as Social Security, immigration (legal or otherwise) is the only conceivable way to keep them going. I FULLY expect a 'guest worker' type program to come into being. I don't think that any major party is willing to deal with entitlements in a direct fashion.

This is what is behind the immigration issue in Europe. We are not very far behind. We have a permanent underclass and we aren't reproducing.
 

Warandra

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Not sarcastic at all. We've all discussed the ramifications of the illegal alien INVASION of the US. Many articles and essays posted have been enlightening, illuminating and enraging (sometimes all three).; But THIS particular one, the farther down I read, the more angry I became. The wording used is such that I honestly felt that someone in the KKK must've had a hand in it.

Just how it struck me overall....

The struggle will come for Mexicans attempting to take over their own nation. It won't be against the U.S. But, certain factions will attempt to have us take sides. That would be a big mistake. The Mexicans must care enough to win control of their own destiny, IN MEXICO. We have to step out of the way and stop propping up a corrupted Mexican government that has no business being in power.
 

Mechanic

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I find it irritating that since the cat (US) is away (Middle East), the mice (Mexico) is at play.

We should have done something about this a good many years ago. Its sad that we've spent billions on Iraq and this crap is going on here at home.
 

ElevenO

Veteran Member
Not sarcastic at all. We've all discussed the ramifications of the illegal alien INVASION of the US. Many articles and essays posted have been enlightening, illuminating and enraging (sometimes all three).; But THIS particular one, the farther down I read, the more angry I became. The wording used is such that I honestly felt that someone in the KKK must've had a hand in it.

Just how it struck me overall....





To a certain extent, I gotta agree with much of dennis's conclusions.
 

topcat46

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I didn't get the KKK feeling when I read it. But I did get the Tan Klan feeling when I read this:

For example, pro illegal immigration activist Alfredo Gutierrez, an alleged Latino racist, revealed the group's agenda and strategy that is still in use to this day.

“We call things racism just to get attention. We reduce complicated problems to racism, not because it is racism, but because it works.” [25]
 

Woolly

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I'm with Dennis on this one. A wee too much racism for me.

Further, while we are reading and hearing reports on shoot outs between Mexican Government forces and the drug gangs, it is not at all clear that the situation has reached the dire point suggested by the Thread Starter Post. Quite the contrary, there are areas of Mexico that are frequent destinations for Americans, and things there have remained quiet.

Just because the trends in Mexican Government affairs are pointing toward an eventual breakdown there is not sufficient data to suggest that that breakdown is imminent. We would be wise to approach these issues with a cool head, and insist upon the 'facts', not simply opinions based on too little information.

The illegal immigration is economics based. Dry up the jobs here and the immigration will first slow, and then stop. Press the jobs issue with employers and the migration of Mexicans will reverse and quickly clear the cities. In part that is already beginning to happen.

If the U.S. economy goes into the tank as some expect, the illegal migration issue will cure itself. In the meantime, the Federal Government must keep the pressure on employers that hire illegals.

IMO,

Woolly
 
Some

just don't realize how much Mexicans hate Americans. Where ever they form even close to a majority Americans are in dangers. They DO commit murder at 17 times the rate of white Americans in their own country. They have imported that hatred and violence here.
 

Warandra

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just don't realize how much Mexicans hate Americans. Where ever they form even close to a majority Americans are in dangers. They DO commit murder at 17 times the rate of white Americans in their own country. They have imported that hatred and violence here.

Are you certain it isn't white Americans who hate Mexicans?
 

Wowser

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Are you certain it isn't white Americans who hate Mexicans?

Warandra, Your side wins!!! Bingo!!! Whites ARE THE MINORITY. But you knew that.

Here is what you and your Side, labour for:

White Genocide

Euro folks you have to go,
Your race is run and you are done,
It’s time to leave no time to cry,
Just leave the stage and say goodbye,
Because Genocide is painless,
It brings on many changes,
Don’t even try to fight just turn out the lights
 

Moto

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I read the whole essay. Despite the fact that I find myself in greement with most of the points made, this piece comes across as some of the most spittle-spewing white supremacist crap I've read in a VERY long time. Goebbels could have written this essay IMO.

When you say something like "Goebbels could have written this essay" those are very strong words. Can you quote some passages to help me understand your assertions.

It seems to me that if that if you think this is "some of the most spittle-spewing white supremacist crap (you've) read in a VERY long time" (with VERY emphasized) that you don't read very much white supremacist crap. Not that i do mind you, but I know what it looks like and it is several orders more extreme than the above.
 

Moto

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just don't realize how much Mexicans hate Americans. Where ever they form even close to a majority Americans are in dangers. They DO commit murder at 17 times the rate of white Americans in their own country. They have imported that hatred and violence here.

People like Warandra mistakenly think that dislike is the same as hate. If white people really hated Mexicans we would not be having this discussion.

Now, if you want to learn how much the average Mexican hates Americans, forget the barrios here (that's too easy.) Go directly to Mexico and find out for yourself. Go to the Zocalo in DF, get a bullhorn, and say anything negative at all about the Mexican people and let me know how that works out for you.
 
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