New price of 80# 16-16-16 (fertilizer) ...Gasp!

theoriginaldeb

Still A Geology Fanatic
The price of 80# 16-16-16 was outrageous last week at $37.00.
Today it went up to $43.00!
Omigosh....one farmer declared he wouldn't be fertilizing next year....not surprised.

Read about a local farmer in today's Mail Tribune who makes compost tea and sprays it on other farmers fields with great results. http://www.mailtribune.com/ It's in the Home/Life section....feverish tonight...couldn't find it in the online edition to save my a**...maybe someone else will have better luck.
He only charges $60.00 per acre...if I read the article correctly.

P.S. There are some pics of Bill Clinton's visit to RCC...in tonight's online edition of the Mail Tribune.
 
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Oldotaku

Veteran Member
Around here, the farm radio shows are saying that many farmers are already planning to switch from corn to soybeans, not only because the corn planting season has been shortened, but because nitrogen fertilizer prices are through the roof. If they plant soybeans this year, there should be enough nitrogen in the soil for corn next year... if the fuel to plant and harvest it is available.

Modern farming is simply a method of converting oil into food. Oil is now $125+ a barrel. There WILL be a commensurate increase in food prices: if not, there won't be any food next year.
 

ofuzzy1

Just Visiting
Oldotaku:

Soybeans can be pressed into oil and used that to run equipment. See biodiesel -- using "SVO" straight vegetable oil -- not processed into biodeisel.

That don't help with fertilizer though!
 

thereisnofork

Veteran Member
Biofuel is mostly a net energy loser

Processing corn and soy for biofuel is a net energy loss. Some products like switchgrass might be better, easier to turn to fuel. But you'd need to replace all the food production to replace oil. This is all a joke.

You need to build nuclear, convert the cars to electric, then save diesel for the tractors and trucks that need it.
 

rhealady

Inactive
Processing corn and soy for biofuel is a net energy loss. Some products like switchgrass might be better, easier to turn to fuel. But you'd need to replace all the food production to replace oil. This is all a joke.

You need to build nuclear, convert the cars to electric, then save diesel for the tractors and trucks that need it.

Yup. There are no other options. DH is a consulting mechanical engineer and on the speaker circuit for biodiesel. we are looking at all the options. Energy options, like to power a 4000 sq ft home, are few.
 

Bullwinkle

Membership Revoked
I just got 50# at the local hardware store 16-16-16. $30

I am trying to support the local hardware store as much as possible. You never know when you may get preferential treatment for your patronage.

I will spread 1/2 this year and save 1/2 for next year.

I also spot fertilize with a miracle-gro substitute. I have 3 big boxes.

I am getting 4 yards of compost next week. 4 yards for new potato patch and 2 yards for rest of garden. I try to get 2 yards every year for the garden.

I just picked up a chipper/mulcher at a yard sale for $50. Carburetor needs work. Even if I have to take it to a shop to get it running for $100. I will have a $400+ unit.
 

rhughe13

Heart of Dixie
I spoke with the farmer last year, that had soybeans in the field next to me. He said it would be soybeans again this year.

To my surprise everything is coming up corn.

On another note: Some farmers around here are planting winter rye as a cover crop that gets turned into the soil for its nitrogen content. Other farmers have a field of clover that gets turned into the soil for its nitrogen.

They are having to get very resourceful.
 

Barry Natchitoches

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Teeming With Life
Talent gardener's new job is brewmaster; he lives by the motto: 'All life is rooted in the soil'





Doug Fidler applies a Compost Tea to his vineyard concocted on his property near Talent Saturday.

By Paul Hadella
for the Mail Tribune
May 16, 2008


Doug Fidler looks at a drop of compost tea under his microscope and smiles. "I see little dark things darting around," he says. His tea is teeming with life.

Fidler, who lives in Talent, is confident that when this nutrient-rich brew is sprayed on a field, it will replenish the microbiology in the soil, leading to thicker and more vibrant grass. He made his first batch of compost tea about five years ago, spread it around his yard and noticed a dramatic change in the quality of his lawn.

The success of the business he has just started, Coleman Creek Compost Brewing, depends on his ability to convince others that the stuff works.

"I know Monsanto would dispute my claims," he concedes, referring to the top global provider of agricultural products.

So far he has sprayed pastures and soccer fields, as well as some fairways and greens at Bear Creek Golf Course. "I've noticed a big difference, no question," says course manager Bruce McLean.

Fidler did not invent compost tea — he learned about it from reading gardening books and magazines. But he is, as far as he knows, the only person in the area spraying it commercially across large tracts of land. He became interested in trying compost tea for himself because "I've been a gardener for as long as I can remember," he says.

To make the tea, Fidler suspends a bag of compost in an 85-gallon tank of water, which he keeps in his garage. An air pump helps stimulate the brewing process, which takes about 24 to 36 hours. One gallon of the tea will cover 3,000 square feet, he says.

"But you can't spray too much," he adds. "It won't burn."


Fidler makes all the compost himself, aging it at least six months. The handful that he scoops from a bin in his yard is alive with worms and other crawlies. It looks dark and rich — definitely a gourmet brand of compost.

The shiny red tractor parked under Fidler's carport is a symbol of his faith in the tea. He bought the machine just for his commercial spray jobs, he says. A tank on the back of the tractor holds the tea. The sprayer attached to the tank is capable of shooting the liquid up to 30 feet.

Fidler pulls a book from a shelf in his workshop and begins searching for his favorite quote. "It's something like, 'All life is rooted in the soil,' " he says. Fidler, who has read extensively on the subject of soil science, claims that an acre of land contains about 900 pounds of earthworms, 2,000 pounds of bacteria, 2,400 pounds of fungi and 133 pounds of protozoa.

"Compost tea builds all that up," he says. His favorite statistic: a single beneficial microbe will multiply five billion times during the brewing process.


Fidler acknowledges that there are skeptics who question whether the tea is actually anything more than dirty water. After all, he is no scientist. He was an English major in college, though he did make his own wine for about 20 years.

He leads doubters to the pasture across the road from his house. After squeezing through a locked gate, he is suddenly wading up to his hips in dense grass. The pasture belongs to his neighbor, who asked him to spray it with compost tea, Fidler says. Soon, he comes to an area where the grass barely reaches above his knees and is not nearly as thick. "This is the part I didn't spray," he says.

With people craving environmentally friendly products, Fidler believes his business will boom in the near future. A friend of his has been spraying cranberry bogs on the coast, and the reaction has been very positive.

"Those farms have been doing things the same way for two and three generations," says Fidler. "Suddenly they are going organic because it's healthy and it really does work."

Reading the print on a bag of chemical turf builder is scary, Fidler says. "It tells you that humans and pets should stay off an area where it has been applied," he says. Compost tea, on the other hand, is safe, says Fidler, adding that it stays in the soil rather than leaching out and running off. "I'd love for all the ranchers along the Rogue River to use it," he says. "Imagine no chemicals washing into the water."

Fidler charges about $60 an acre and can spray five acres in an hour. Contact him at 535-3306.

Paul Hadella is a freelance writer living in Talent. Reach him at talenthouse@charter.net.
 
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