China earthquake: mass graves for the dead, 5 million homeless

Martin

Deceased
May 17, 2008




Jane Macartney and Sophie Yu in Libing village
At first the gash of freshly turned earth looks like one of the hundreds of landslides triggered by China's massive earthquake. But the incense sticks and half-burnt candles along the road hint at a hidden purpose.

The scar on the hillside has become a mass grave for the victims of the disaster. A line of young soldiers, their faces covered by blue masks against the stench of decomposing bodies, stand guard. More troops, their uniforms protected by blue plastic coats, squat at the foot of the slope, waiting for the next grim delivery.

“The authorities asked us to bury them quickly because they have been dead for several days. There is no time to wait. It's already been quite a long time and now the weather is starting to get warmer,” an official said.

A digger had be2en brought in to cut a path up the hill and carve out three trenches, each about 50 metres (160ft) long and more than 1.5 metres deep. One trench had already been filled.

Officials refused to say how many bodies had been buried or how many they expected to receive. “How many will be buried here we don't know yet,” one said. They hope to ensure the health of the living while respecting the dead.

The site chosen for the grave is a disused lime kiln on the edge of Libin village. It stands at the foot of the line of jagged hills in which tens of thousands have died around the epicentre of the tremor that shook China on Monday. Yesterday the offical toll was raised to 22,069. A further 14,000 were missing in Sichuan province, which bore the brunt of the quake.

An army officer explained that the soldiers' task was to line the grave with lime and then lay in the bodies. More lime was then thrown over and it was sprayed with disinfectant. But the officer hoped that it would not be an anonymous grave and that one day the bodies could be claimed by relatives - if any have survived.

A photograph was taken of each body. Hair and blood samples were recorded to enable DNA identification later. Mortuaries and hospitals in the area are already overwhelmed. In some areas there is insufficient electricity to provide power to keep the bodies. There is no option but a swift burial, with as much dignity as possible, in a land plunged into grief.

A doctor speaking on the special radio channel devoted to the disaster explained the need to dispose of the bodies as quickly as possible. The site should be well away from water sources, and bodies should be disinfected and buried with lime to prevent the spread of disease.

The soldiers working at the mass grave, a handful from the more than 130,000 People's Liberation Army troops deployed, were nervous.

They were under orders to keep away anyone trying to pry as the bodies were brought in. One young man who had been deployed from the air force in the central city of Wuhan, said: “It's dangerous here. And we are very busy. No one can come in.”

A young farmer working nearby shrugged when asked if he was afraid to have such a large grave on a hillside so close to his home. “What is the point of being frightened? They have to be buried somewhere after all, and there are so many of them.”

Thousands more bodies are believed to be still lying entombed in the ruins of their homes and schools, offices and factories. But amid the tragedy there are still glimmers of hope.

Exactly 100 hours after the massive earthquake at 2.28pm on Monday, cheering soldiers pulled a survivor from the wreckage of a fertiliser plant in Yunhua.

Liu Deyun should not even have been in the Yinfeng Fertiliser Plant when the earthquake struck: the 50-year-old driver had been due to make just a quick delivery. But when the building crumpled he was chatting in the games room.

His incredible rescue, witnessed by The Times, began when an army medical team picking through the ruins on Thursday afternoon heard sounds of life. To their amazement, they were able to speak to the trapped driver.

His daughter, Liu Yuanyuan, had gone to search for him a day earlier but was told not to bother and to go home. She returned when she heard that survivors had been found.

“I talked to my father. I called out: 'Daddy' and he wept and said: 'I want water'. I told him not to talk and to preserve his strength for the rescue. He said that he could not move at all.”

His body was pinned down by such huge concrete slabs that doctors had to amputate a part of one leg to free him.

A military doctor, Zhao Hongxiu, said: “We discussed with him that we would have to operate. He agreed that the most important thing was to save his life.” Workers at the plant said they feared that more than 200 people were buried in the rubble. Soldiers sprayed disinfectant over the debris to cover the stench of rotting bodies.

Even as soldiers cheered at the rescue of Mr Liu, rescue teams were burrowing into the other side of the building. Three men who had been playing mahjong together were still alive.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/asia/article3949625.ece?print=yes&randnum=1210990165774
 

BigFootsCousin

Molon Labe!
This is a very sobering article.

I wonder if we would do it any differently here in the U.S.? As much as I'd like to believe that we could safely handle the bodies.......I honestly don't think that we could. Our military probably couldn't handle that many either.

Wow.

BFC
 

TIK

Inactive
In my dispatch center today, that was the main question--what about claiming the bodies before they get buried. I didn't even hear this news, but my common sense told me that it was probably a disease/public health issue, and that takes presendence over grieving. And that truth be told, there probably were no relatives. Mainly because everyone had died.

Since I'm in public safety, I can't even begin to comprehend the enormity of this disaster. To me, it ranks up there with the Indonesia Tsunami.
 

night driver

ESFP adrift in INTJ sea
public health issue, since we aer getting to the threshold for typhus, typhoid, cholera, etc.....

PLAN on mass graves if we have a situation that kills thousands, There literally is no other way to handle that many casualties.
 

Perpetuity

Inactive
Whew...it is rough to think about. Not only the logistics of it, but the emotional side effects for everyone involved...family members, medical workers, and those soldiers whose duty it is to deal with the bodies.

At the same time I wonder though, how many would view a nefarious plan by our government if plans were put forth for mass graves like this. Especially on this board.

I'd rather plan for it now, then deal with it later. Especially since everyone that's responded so far on this thread will be some of the ones dealing with such an incident. Let's all just hope for the best, and pray for the ones that are doing it on the other side of the globe. Both in China, and Myanamar.
 

truthseeker

Inactive
This wii hit six figures and be the second calamity to do so, hope it doesnt come in three's. There are over 6000 schools collapse, some with thousand and none living. One hospital alone with 2000 was buried after it collapsed and more buildings up hill collapsed down into the hospital. This was a city in a vally and had midrise buildings all over the place going up onto the slopes. The city seems to only have a few thousand of 150,000 left.

There were some stories on nightline tonight showing the damage from that town. This was the worst hit, most populated area, but there are other areas with small population worse effected and more populated areas with still alot of destruction.

There were saying 5 million households damaged or destroyed, so 100,000+ seems highly likely. It was really heart-wrenching to see the agony going on there.
 

Freeholder

This too shall pass.
We would have to have a much larger earthquake, epicentered right under a major population center, before we came close to that many casualties, I think. At least, I hope so. I believe our building standards are, or have been, higher, especially in the areas that are known to be prone to major earthquakes. It could happen, of course, but hopefully it won't.

Kathleen
 

dissimulo

Membership Revoked
Asia is looking like a perfect breeding ground for disease right now, with tens of thousands dead and destroyed infrastructure in both Myanmar and China.
 

Cascadians

Leska Emerald Adams
When earthquakes get up into 7, 8, 9, building codes can't cope with the long prolonged violent shaking that often turns the earth into jello, liquification.

The more earthquake-proof the better for buildings, of course, but in such violent EQs not much can withstand the battering.

I've been in EQs where I've literally seen the earth roll in waves, like a carpet. In Portland on Hayden Island some streets and parking lots still are frozen in sharp undulating waves from an EQ a while back. The force of a strong EQ is unimaginable. It feels and sounds like a freight train before the shaking even starts.

The pictures and videos I've looked at from ppl's camera phones that are posted on the Net show a lot of dust and haze during and after this EQ. It was hard for ppl to breathe with the thick heavy persistent dust from all the collapsing buildings and the earth heaving.

The pictures and stories are utterly horrifying. Prayers to China and all the traumatized ill terrified homeless souls and all the departed who must still be shaken at such an abrupt awful end to their earth sojourn.
 

Martin

Deceased
Thousands of Chinese Quake Victims Flee Possible Flooding
By VOA News
17 May 2008




Beichuan county, China, 15 May 2008
Chinese officials have ordered thousands of people to evacuate a village near the epicenter of Monday's earthquake, amid conflicting reports that a dam has burst.

Witnesses say they are not sure whether the dam near Beichuan in the northern part of Sichuan province has failed, or whether a lake has overflowed its banks.

Authorities increased the official death toll Saturday to nearly 29,000. The actual number of dead is expected to surpass 50,000. Some 5 million people have lost their homes.

On Friday, a strong aftershock measuring 5.9 triggered landslides on recently-cleared roads leading to Wenchuan county, again cutting off roads and communications.

The aftershock is likely to further hamper search-and-recovery efforts, as chances of finding survivors in the rubble of Monday's 7.9 magnitude quake diminish with each hour.

The official Xinhua news agency says rescue workers pulled a German tourist out of the rubble Saturday after being buried for 114 hours.

State media said rescuers pulled 33 survivors from the rubble Friday. But few of the tens of thousands who remain buried are expected to be alive.

Also Friday, the United Nations announced a grant of $7 million dollars in emergency funds to meet the urgent needs of quake survivors.



Officials fear many of the dead are children who were trapped when their schools collapsed during the earthquake. China's Housing Ministry has launched an investigation into the reason nearly seven thousand school buildings collapsed in the quake.

Supplies are short and China's health care system is struggling to cope with the nearly 190,000 people who are injured.

Foreign rescue teams are arriving in China to assist the 130,000 troops deployed in the affected areas.


http://voanews.com/english/2008-05-17-voa4.cfm?renderforprint=1
 

KateCanada

Inactive
What horror when you think about the reality of this. Sends chills up my spine. :shk:

I also took note of what dissimulo said about Asia looking like a perfect breeding ground for disease. That's really concerning.
 

freebyrd

Membership Revoked
praying for those left to grieve and those lost if this ever happens in california especially along the san andreas and large population centers expect to so front loaders full of bodies going into mass graves as well
freebyrd,

with the net still on:shr: :lkick:
 

BigFootsCousin

Molon Labe!
This thread has me thinking.......

Our local Army/Navy store has some 'body bags' for sale.

I should pick up a few. The reasoning is this. "If" a family member(s) succumbs to a massive disaster and the authorities deem it prudent to temporarily dispose of the corpses in trenches for health reasons my family member(s) WILL BE in one of those body bags with proper identification in the bag with them.

This would make it easier to quickly identify said family member(s) during exhumation for proper burial and services.

Let's face it, this is a possible future reality for this Nation.

Exhuming bodies all piled up on one another is messy and parts aren't always exactly where they should be, especially if trauma/disection was involved.

A body bag (or two) in a grave of thousands WILL stand out IMO.

Gross discussion, but very practical.

BFC
 

cooter

cantankerous old coot
you beat me to it,

BigFootsCousin's
This is a very sobering article.

I wonder if we would do it any differently here in the U.S.? As much as I'd like to believe that we could safely handle the bodies.......I honestly don't think that we could. Our military probably couldn't handle that many either.

it got me thinking too, what if our own newmadrid went off, center of the country persay., building codes nothing like out on the west coast,

along with the different mind/set mentalitys of the people (katrina example)

then the JIT system we have for food and fuel, we would flounder big time I think

it makes a person think and rethink thier plans:whistle: , tornadoes, poweroutages ect, but the scale of a big quake, would dwarf the things that we americans normally deal with
 

adgal

Veteran Member
I thought that "home made body bags" were one of the reasons we store plastic sheeting and duct tape. Certainly not a pretty thought - but a practical one. :shk:
 

bluetick

Inactive
The article states they photographed each body and took samples for possible future DNA matches. That should be somewhat helpful to any remaining family members. It is good that they did that.
 

Pass Go

Inactive
The article states they photographed each body and took samples for possible future DNA matches. That should be somewhat helpful to any remaining family members. It is good that they did that.

I don't believe they're really doing that, *except* to be able to say they did it.

They're Chinese for christsake.

There's a reason we hear 32K on CNN, and China Connection posts the number 200K dead.

Didn't really seem to me that they could afford to turn down aid when recently offered, but then, there's probably a reason for that, too.
 

BlueNewton

Membership Revoked
What a completely horrible situation for these poor people. And to have only one child and lose it just magnifies the misery beyond belief.
 

China Connection

TB Fanatic
I got the figure from a Chinese friend

I got the figure from a Chinese friend who is with a group that is trying to help. common sense will give a better idea of the real figure. If you destroy the homes of five million people while they are either inside them or inside a work building then you are going to have a much bigger figure than 29,000. Like just the one school 900 are unaccounted for. What we are getting is the body figure that has been pulled out I hate to think of the true figure.

Weeping parents held a vigil in a steady outside a collapsed school in the town of Juyuan, where more than 900 high school students were initially trapped. Only one survivor has been found: a girl pulled free by rescue team.



In the areas around Mianyang, more than 7,300 people died and 18,000 more were believed trapped in rubble, most in Beichuan. Amid the rubble, CCTV showed the six-story Beichuan Hotel listing, half its first story collapsed. Medical teams tried to treat the wounded in dirt courtyards littered with broken furniture and concrete.


BBC NEWS | Asia-Pacific | 'Five million' homeless in quakeAlmost five million people have been left homeless by Monday's earthquake in China, officials say.
news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/7405103.stm - 63k - Cached - Similar pages


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Confirmed death toll from China quake reaches 28,881: govt
1 day ago

BEIJING (AFP) — The confirmed earthquake death toll in China has risen to 28,881, a central government official said Saturday.

Another 198,347 people have been injured as of 2:00 pm (0600 GMT), Guo Weimin, a spokesman for China's State Council told a news conference.

Government officials have previously estimated that the death toll from Monday's 7.9-magnitude earthquake is above 50,000.

The upgrade in the toll came as officials in one major city near the epicentre, Deyang, sharply raised their estimate on how many residents died there to 20,000.
 

Martin

Deceased
Sunday, May. 18, 2008
The China Quake's Homeless Victims
By Austin Ramzy

They sleep on the field at the Nanhe Sports Center in tents lined up like city blocks. The bedding is arranged in its corridors so tightly packed that it is difficult to walk. On the walls are homemade signs — some with photos, some with elegant Chinese calligraphy — listing the names of the missing, many of them likely dead. In normal times the stadium hosts Cantopop concerts and tennis tournaments. Today it's hosting thousands of survivors from last week's devastating earthquake.

The offical death toll from the magnitude 7.9 temblor has passed 32,000, and it is expected to climb as high as 50,000. Two towns were evacuated Friday due to fears that rivers dammed by landslides were at risk of flooding their banks and inundating the quake hit areas, the state-run Xinhua News Service reported. Rescue efforts are now entering their final stages, when only the most extreme cases of survival emerge. On Saturday, 165 people were rescued from flattened buildings, a State Council spokesman said. President Hu Jintao told visiting survivors Friday that although the "golden 72 hours" when pulling survivors from the rubble is most likely has expired, saving lives is still the priority.

But soon China will be faced with an equally monumental task: how to house the 4.8 million people who have been left homeless by the quake. More than 3 million houses collapsed and over 15 million were damaged in the quake. As a result, victims are living anywhere they can. Public spaces of towns in the disaster zone are filled with tents. The Sichuan Ministry of Civil Affairs says it has provided 30,000 tents, but most are living in homemade structures built out of the red, white and blue plastic used for shopping bags in China. In Chengdu, many people sleep under highway overpasses. On the way to Yanmen village, where 10,000 people were left homeless, people have pitched their tents in the road, more afraid of their damaged houses than being hit by cars in the night.

People left homeless by the quake are now housed in 2,885 locations. They are spread across the disaster area; few have any idea of when they will be able to return home. Many towns and cities in this part of central Sichuan province were ravaged by the tremor, and along with the buildings that were flattened, many more will have to be demolished.

Jia Shungang, 36, was relatively lucky. There were few deaths in his neighborhood of Mianyang city. He is now camped out with his family in a parking lot near a museum dedicated to the Tang dynasty poet Li Bai, who was born in the area. A family sits outside a tent nearby, the grandmother's eyes and legs badly bruised from when a house collapsed on her. Conditions in the camp are decent, Jia says, but he wonders how long he will stay. "We don't know how long we'll be here," he says, as a worker walks through with a chemical sprayer strapped to his back, pumping disinfectant into the air. "The government hasn't told us."

The nearby Nanhe Sports Center, where 8,000 quake victims live, resembles a small city in its size and organization. At the gate, people sleep on sacks of laundry detergent. Others pore over lists of injured. The biggest fear is infectious disease, and doctors and nurses wander through the crowds giving evaluations. Children sit in the field and watch a movie featuring Taiwan film star Jay Chou. Classical music plays over the loudspeakers. Lines of residents completing registration forms snake through the complex. Zhu Linzhen, 40, stands with her son, fighting to maintain her spot. "We have nothing," she says. The camp isn't bad, she says, but "I don't do anything all day." Above the entry gate is a red sign with white characters about 10 feet tall that reads, "The people of the disaster zone thank the Communist Party."

For camp resident Li Baorong, 37, memories of the recent past overwhelm any thoughts about the future. When the quake hit her hometown of Beichuan, she told her mother to run out of their house. She told her to be quick, but when she looked back her mother, who was just a few steps behind, was engulfed in their collapsing house. "I regret that I allowed her to trail behind," Li says. Now she is trying to find the other survivors from her family, which lost seven members. "Where we will go next, I don't know," she says. "This just feels like a temporary stop while we put ourselves back together." Given the scale of the destruction, the stadium housing may be less temporary than she thinks.

— With reporting by Lin Yang/Mianyang

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SIRR1

Inactive
I was wondering if the filling of the 3 gourges dam had any impact on the earth quake?

I mean all of the extra weight in one area might have triggered the event.

Just thinking out loud.
 

Martin

Deceased
China Faces Economic Aftershocks
Fearful After the Quake, People Shun Jobs, Homes

By Ariana Eunjung Cha
Washington Post Foreign Service
Monday, May 19, 2008; A01



SHIFANG, China, May 18 -- Statistically speaking, Zhang Zhengjie and his factory are fine.

Number of workers injured: zero. Number dead: zero. The factory's steel-reinforced walls shook but held during last week's massive earthquake. After it was over, the only evidence that something nightmarish had taken place in other parts of the city was the presence of minor fractures in pipes that were easily fixed.

Yet the fertilizer factory hasn't been operational since the quake struck last Monday. It isn't a problem with supplies or machinery. It's the employees.

"People have a sense of panic and dare not go into the factory to work," said Zhang, a salesman at Shifang Anda Chemical Co., which exports most of its products to the United States and Europe.

As the initial chaos of the disaster zones is being replaced by an eerily orderly rescue and cleanup effort by the military, China's leaders are turning their attention to the survivors and the economic consequences of fear.

Many thousands in and around the quake's epicenter in Sichuan province are living in tent cities or on their lawns -- even though their houses are perfectly fine.

Laborers are refusing to return to work until government inspectors sign off on the integrity of the buildings, despite the fact that it might take months or years before they get around to every company.

And residents are hoarding medicine and donning face masks in areas that public health officials have said are free of disease.

Premier Wen Jiabao last week called the quake the "most destructive" since the People's Republic was formed in 1949. It has claimed at least 32,500 lives, left as many as 5 million homeless and razed $20 billion worth of buildings. An additional 9,500 people are believed to be still buried under the destruction and likely dead. On Sunday, China announced that three days of national mourning would begin Monday, with flags at half-staff and the Olympic torch relay suspended.

Early assessments of the disaster's economic impact predicted that it would be "minimal," "transient" and "limited." Economists declared that this was a human tragedy, not an economic one.

But almost a week after the quake, vast swaths of companies are still shut down and millions of people are still not at back at work. There is evidence that all sorts of resources that China needs to continue fueling its double-digit growth -- including grains, hydroelectric power and chemicals -- are becoming more scarce and more expensive.

Energy, water and food supplies are particular concerns, as is the worry that continuing fear among Chinese workers could drive the most vulnerable aspect of the economy: inflation.

The largely mountainous inland province of Sichuan, where the quake hit, is not a manufacturing base, accounting for only 3.5 percent of China's gross industrial output. It is, however, an important grain and pork producer, and has China's largest reserves of natural gas. Its five largest cities -- including the provincial capital, Chengdu, about 55 miles from the epicenter -- escaped the large-scale devastation that killed so many in rural areas.

Though the quake damage won't derail China's economy -- reconstruction projects will almost inevitably boost spending -- many economists agree that it is likely to make a noticeable dent in the growth of gross domestic product.

Shen Minggao, a Citigroup analyst based in Beijing, said he is especially worried about energy. "We all know the government controls the price of water and electricity, but there could be a shortage," Shen said.

The most critical global economic issue may be the quake's impact on oil prices. On Friday, crude jumped to almost $128 a barrel in New York on speculation that China, the world's second-largest consumer, after the United States, would have to increase imports because of energy shortfalls resulting from earthquake damage.

Ten power stations in and around Sichuan were knocked out, according to the State Grid Corp. of China. And as of late last week, PetroChina Co. said it had resumed about one-third of its natural gas production in Sichuan. Dozens of its stations and 60 of its drilling rigs also stopped operations.

Additionally, about 400 dams were damaged by the quake. All the roads around the Huaneng Group's Taipingyi hydroelectric plant collapsed, and 50 workers remained trapped.

Over the weekend, the company's emergency coordinator, Wu Jianling, was negotiating with the military for assistance in airlifting the injured. He said he could not address the dam's structural damage or when the plant might produce power again.

"Whether it's in danger of bursting, we just don't know. We haven't been able to personally check," Wu said.

Domestically, whether China can control inflation in the aftermath of the crisis will be a key indicator in how the government is perceived. Keeping the price of basic foodstuffs stable is seen as critical to social stability.

When the price of pork -- the country's meat staple -- began to soar last summer, the premier, Wen, made a high-profile television appearance, urging local officials to contain prices or risk upsetting the country's "harmonious society." Soaring inflation was one trigger of the 1989 Tiananmen Square protests, which were quashed by China's military.

Sichuan province produces more than 11 percent of China's pork and is the heartland of the country's grain industry. With food prices already up 22 percent year over year because of other factors, Chinese officials last week announced the unusual measure of releasing tens of thousands of tons of grains and vegetable oil from national reserves.

The current price for pork has not shifted much, said Citic Securities chief strategist Cheng Weiqing. "But I don't know how long that can last."

In a research report, Lehman Brothers analyst Sun Mingchun wrote that although he did not expect significant disruption in agricultural production, the crisis could still "exacerbate panics on rice supply problems, given recent shortages in the global rice market." This, he said, "could cause rice prices to rise further."

Also last week, shares of Hebei Taihang Cement Co. and Asia Cement Co. jumped in trading on expectations that demand for building materials for new homes and workplaces would bring higher prices.

On Sunday in Shifang, two hours north of Chengdu, a skeleton crew of administrative employees at the Anda chemical plant was communicating with overseas customers and asking workers to report in on Monday.

The factory had tried to open Thursday, but only 10 of its more than 130 workers showed up.

"Everyone is taking a break. People are afraid. The plant needs a safety inspection," said Quan Shaohua, 56, an accountant.

"Our initial thought was to get people out of the shadow of the earthquake quickly," explained Xiang Chaoan, factory director. But now, he said, that might have been too soon.

If the plant is up and running this week, he said, he should be able to keep prices stable. But if it is only partially operational for a longer period, he might not be able to fulfill all his orders.

Xiang, 44, said he has not returned to his house since the earthquake hit, preferring instead to sleep with his family on a tarp on the factory grounds where he feels safer.

He knows intellectually that "living in my home should be okay," Xiang said. "But now the whole county is empty," he said. "You can't help but feel scared."


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/05/18/AR2008051802372_pf.html
 

Red Baron

Paleo-Conservative
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Maybe the third world Communist hellhole we call China should cancel the 2008 Olympics and spend it's resources taking care of it's people. All the housing, food and money destined for the Olympic Elitists would be better spent on the Chinese people suffering from the earthquake.

Won't happen........
 
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