Texas Baptist megachurch Pastor arrested for 13 year old girl....
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Fisher
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Prestonwood Baptist minister arrested in sex sting
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02:24 PM CDT on Friday, May 16, 2008
By TANYA EISERER / The Dallas Morning
Joe Barron, a minister at Prestonwood Baptist Church, is accused of online solicitation of a minor.
According to Bryan police, Mr. Barron had chatting for about two weeks with the person that he thought to be a juvenile. "The online conversations were sexually explicit in nature," the release said.
On Tuesday, Mr. Barron asked if the girl could meet him in person, police said. Two days later, he made the three-hour drive to Bryan to meet the girl.
Undercover officers arrested him upon his arrival, police said. In his vehicle, police said they found web-cam and headset as well as condoms, police said.
Bryan officers also searched Mr. Barron’s Plano residence where they seized a desktop, two laptops, numerous computer disks and memory cards, police said.
Prestonwood church officials also gave police officials access to his computer at the church, authorities said.
"We are disturbed and saddened by the reports we have heard and we are praying for the Barron family. We are fully cooperating with the police in their investigation," said Mike Buster, Prestonwood's executive pastor, in a statement.
The church, which as 26,000 members and 40 ministers, would not provide further information about Mr. Barron.
DMN staff writer Sam Hodges contributed to this report.
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http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcon...ries/051708dnmetministerarrest.107c9d887.html
02:24 PM CDT on Friday, May 16, 2008
By TANYA EISERER / The Dallas Morning
Joe Barron, a minister at Prestonwood Baptist Church, is accused of online solicitation of a minor.
According to Bryan police, Mr. Barron had chatting for about two weeks with the person that he thought to be a juvenile. "The online conversations were sexually explicit in nature," the release said.
On Tuesday, Mr. Barron asked if the girl could meet him in person, police said. Two days later, he made the three-hour drive to Bryan to meet the girl.
Undercover officers arrested him upon his arrival, police said. In his vehicle, police said they found web-cam and headset as well as condoms, police said.
Bryan officers also searched Mr. Barron’s Plano residence where they seized a desktop, two laptops, numerous computer disks and memory cards, police said.
Prestonwood church officials also gave police officials access to his computer at the church, authorities said.
"We are disturbed and saddened by the reports we have heard and we are praying for the Barron family. We are fully cooperating with the police in their investigation," said Mike Buster, Prestonwood's executive pastor, in a statement.
The church, which as 26,000 members and 40 ministers, would not provide further information about Mr. Barron.
DMN staff writer Sam Hodges contributed to this report.
dragonslayer2001
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Is
it Baptist policy to multiple "spiritual" marry women to men who already have a wife? Or maybe 22 wives?
Do Baptists get to fall in love and pick their husbands, like you did? Or does some elder of their church, (or yours) get a magical revelation from "god" who tells a woman (let alone girls one year into their teenage years) whom she is to marry the night of the wedding, or if she is really lucky, she knows a whole week ahead of time?
Or even better, does the Baptist "prophet", or yours, get a revelation from "god" who tells him that a husband isn't worthy and without warning tells the wife and children that they now belong to a more worthy worshipper of Christ, who may already have a dozen "wives" and she meekly goes and stops loving her former husband because of such religious insanity?
Are all the Baptists locked up on compounds, with guards?
You keep arguing apples and oranges. This guy you are talking about got caught, and he got arrested. ?
it Baptist policy to multiple "spiritual" marry women to men who already have a wife? Or maybe 22 wives?
Do Baptists get to fall in love and pick their husbands, like you did? Or does some elder of their church, (or yours) get a magical revelation from "god" who tells a woman (let alone girls one year into their teenage years) whom she is to marry the night of the wedding, or if she is really lucky, she knows a whole week ahead of time?
Or even better, does the Baptist "prophet", or yours, get a revelation from "god" who tells him that a husband isn't worthy and without warning tells the wife and children that they now belong to a more worthy worshipper of Christ, who may already have a dozen "wives" and she meekly goes and stops loving her former husband because of such religious insanity?
Are all the Baptists locked up on compounds, with guards?
You keep arguing apples and oranges. This guy you are talking about got caught, and he got arrested. ?
Micah68
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Hm, first time I have ever been called a troll. Considering the source, I am honored.
Seriously, do you not understand irony? Yeah, I find it very ironic that the children from the FLDS (supposed and alleged child molesters) are largely in the care of Baptist shelters who have alleged child molesters. At least this one has some evidence behind it beyond a hoax call.
Also, the "quote" box I used was to show that those weren't my words, and there were links included to the full story and to the report on the list of pastors supposedly kept by the baptist convention on pastors who have done sexual misconduct.
I do wonder if the man has children and if CPS is going to interview the children he had contact with at the church, but I would no more paint the entire Baptist religion - or that one congregation - with that mans brush than I would any other religious group.
Sorry I apparently offended anyone, that was not my intent.
Seriously, do you not understand irony? Yeah, I find it very ironic that the children from the FLDS (supposed and alleged child molesters) are largely in the care of Baptist shelters who have alleged child molesters. At least this one has some evidence behind it beyond a hoax call.
Also, the "quote" box I used was to show that those weren't my words, and there were links included to the full story and to the report on the list of pastors supposedly kept by the baptist convention on pastors who have done sexual misconduct.
I do wonder if the man has children and if CPS is going to interview the children he had contact with at the church, but I would no more paint the entire Baptist religion - or that one congregation - with that mans brush than I would any other religious group.
Sorry I apparently offended anyone, that was not my intent.
fruit loop
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Well, Micah, if you're a troll, then I guess that old adage is true.....that it takes one to know one. Right, DS and Ready2go?
I've seen a lot of Baptists point fingers at women who left abusive marriages for "breaking up the home." How about that?
I've seen a lot of Baptists point fingers at women who left abusive marriages for "breaking up the home." How about that?
Teeja
On the Beach
At least in this case of a Southern Baptist pastor, they appeared to have probable cause, an arrest was made of the proper person (not his wife or kids), and apparently charges are being filed against him. From all appearances, due process is being followed.
This is light years from the same treatment that was forced upon FLDS members, (no probable cause, no charges filed, and the persons who supposedly committed an offense were not arrested - instead, all the kids in the religious group were removed).
Not even close to being similar in the way authorities treated these two groups.
That being said, trust me, the day will come when they will "pull an FLDS" on some Baptist groups as well, if this FLDS tragedy is allowed to stand.
They're coming after minority religious groups first (the ones who have little political power)... sooner or later, the JWs, LDS, Independent Baptists, Pentecostals, Charismatics, etc. will be targeted. Then with those groups successfully forced underground, they will come after mainline groups like the more conservative Southern Baptists, conservative Presbyterians, and all the rest - essentially any group which will not go along with the BEAST SYSTEM.
It's all about state power, and destroying any belief system that refuses to trust in government for all physical needs, from cradle to grave-- they must destroy those who believe in a God who rules over the affairs of men, since such beliefs are a direct threat to their continuity of power.
This is light years from the same treatment that was forced upon FLDS members, (no probable cause, no charges filed, and the persons who supposedly committed an offense were not arrested - instead, all the kids in the religious group were removed).
Not even close to being similar in the way authorities treated these two groups.
That being said, trust me, the day will come when they will "pull an FLDS" on some Baptist groups as well, if this FLDS tragedy is allowed to stand.
They're coming after minority religious groups first (the ones who have little political power)... sooner or later, the JWs, LDS, Independent Baptists, Pentecostals, Charismatics, etc. will be targeted. Then with those groups successfully forced underground, they will come after mainline groups like the more conservative Southern Baptists, conservative Presbyterians, and all the rest - essentially any group which will not go along with the BEAST SYSTEM.
It's all about state power, and destroying any belief system that refuses to trust in government for all physical needs, from cradle to grave-- they must destroy those who believe in a God who rules over the affairs of men, since such beliefs are a direct threat to their continuity of power.
Fred's Horseradish
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I think readtogo was refering to DS. I agree with DS.
dragonslayer2001
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Hi
Micah,
I think ready was referring to me! Sorry girl, I think you may have to try harder, lol.
Later.
Micah,
I think ready was referring to me! Sorry girl, I think you may have to try harder, lol.
Later.
The Flying Dutchman
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Nope, sorry to disappoint - I was referring to Micah for posting that story; it's a loaded story - chomos come in all shapes sizes and religions however with the FLDS, you have an entire religion on board with baby raping as institutional policy. I completely agree with DS; it's apples and oranges.
I have to give in now and admit that there's some Constitutional issues with this FLDS thing but at the end of the day, they openly advocate screwing little girls and they brought this upon themselves.
Oh, and Fruitloop, with how feminist you come across as sometimes, I'm really surprised which side of this you have landed on - you make absolutely no sense sometimes.
I have to give in now and admit that there's some Constitutional issues with this FLDS thing but at the end of the day, they openly advocate screwing little girls and they brought this upon themselves.
Oh, and Fruitloop, with how feminist you come across as sometimes, I'm really surprised which side of this you have landed on - you make absolutely no sense sometimes.
At which point is enough though Teeja? I don't disagree with the premise of your post - I just don't think that this case is THAT case. When does religious freedom end and criminal activity begin? With all the debate about this FLDS fiasco, nobody can seem to answer this one.
Teeja
On the Beach
"they openly advocate screwing little girls"???
Well, since the "openly advocate" this, could you supply some evidence of this, or are you just throwing this out, hoping that it "sticks"?
Teeja
On the Beach
It's very simple- not complicated at all.
In the U.S., religious freedom ends where the practicing of a particular religious belief violates a Constitutionally-sound law. If a law is enacted which is un-Constitutional, that law should be ignored and/or challenged.
The day will come, when our elected officials will demand that we all accept "the mark" or "the number" to buy or sell. They may pass a law to that effect, but it will not be a Constitutionally sound law, and should be ignored and challenged.
Spirit Of Truth
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ALL will be held to account.
Sooth
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FRUIT LOOP- What say ye???
A contracting nonprofit.
The pieces begin to fall into place.
Sooth
Now I find this of particular interest. Baptist Family and Child Services A CONTRACTING NONPROFIT. Baptist Family and Child Services. Those were the buses and that was the organization that transported all those kids off the FLDS compound and housed them and transported them to other foster homes across the state.
A contracting nonprofit.
The pieces begin to fall into place.
Sooth
Shooting Star
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Me too, and it doesn't matter what religion or non-religion they are....
What, no hoax phone call to get the cops to the guy's door...?
dragonslayer2001
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Ready
I stand corrected.
"Nope, sorry to disappoint - I was referring to Micah for posting that story; it's a loaded story - chomos come in all shapes sizes and religions however with the FLDS, you have an entire religion on board with baby raping as institutional policy. I completely agree with DS; it's apples and oranges. "
I stand corrected.
"Nope, sorry to disappoint - I was referring to Micah for posting that story; it's a loaded story - chomos come in all shapes sizes and religions however with the FLDS, you have an entire religion on board with baby raping as institutional policy. I completely agree with DS; it's apples and oranges. "
Usually Curious
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I've been saying all along that there are BIG BUCKS at stake here, people.
"they openly advocate screwing little girls"???
Well, since the "openly advocate" this, could you supply some evidence of this, or are you just throwing this out, hoping that it "sticks"?
So are you saying that 13 year old girls in the FLDS cult don't marry and have babies that young? It seems like it's been well documented over the years in the U.S., in Canada, and in Mexico, that is unless it's all just a big corporate media conspiracy against them.
This debate just becomes stranger by the day.
Contrasaur
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No it was a hoax internet girl. The police pretended to be a girl that was willing to meet the preacher.
Jumpy Frog
Browncoat sympathizer
I love it when these "high and mighty" types fall from their pulpit and land face first in eggs.
dragonslayer2001
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I
have just found it a shame that people are people instead of something more refined and higher.
have just found it a shame that people are people instead of something more refined and higher.
No, it was a sting op, not a hoax at all. I have no problem with legitimate law enforcement activity operating within the bounds of law.
The difference between the Baptists and the FLDS can be demonstrated in the church's reaction to the incident. The Baptists did not lawyer up and try to claim having sex with kids is a religious right but instead made this statement from the pulpit:
http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcon...stories/051808dnmetministersting.3464076.html
don
http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcon...stories/051808dnmetministersting.3464076.html
don
Micah68
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then again, the kids of the entire church were not stolen because of one mans alleged action...perhaps they might have reacted differently if they were to be tarred and feather based on guilt by association.
The folks at Prestonwood Baptist church in Plano Texas do not live in a commune.
The congreation live as single family households in Dallas, Plano, Addison, Richardson, Allen, McKinney, Princeton, Farmersville, Rowlett, Irving, and other communities in North Texas.
don
So I guess that in your worldview the Amish live in communes? Because they sure as heck separate themselves from society and keep to their own communities. I bet you're secretly one of those "if they're different, kill 'em" kind of guys, aintcha....
fruit loop
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I think that all the children who attend this church are potential victims, and should be taken into protective custody as a precaution.
Sooth and UC, adoption and foster care are big business. Sure they're non-profit....on paper, because if they got paid FOR adoptions, that would qualify as baby-brokering. So they get around it by claiming they're non-profit yet charging horrendous fees (fees for a healthy infant average around 20 grand and can go higher) for "social workers, attorneys, medical expenses, home visits, applications, and screening" services.
A birthmother cannot be paid ANYTHING AT ALL.
The money goes to the attorneys and social workers for those "legal fees/screenings/etc". Since most agencies have attorneys on staff, this is essentially a commission. But it's legal.
Foster care? They get money per month for each child for support, and since they're non-profit, they can also accept charitable contributions. They also get grants for moving kids out of foster care and into adoption. Sometimes the state also charges the birth family child support for the kids in foster care.
It's all about $$$.
I'm trying to be fair here, because my experience with the Southern Baptist Church was entirely negative and I have an intense dislike for the sect, but this is not personal: They despise the Mormons, because they think ALL sects of the LDS church are a cult.
A Baptist spokesman said in an interview that he was happy to work with CPS during "this emergency" and that he hoped "all the kids could be placed in good Christian homes." (That burned my butt......of course since they're FLDS they aren't "real" Christians....)
Sooth and UC, adoption and foster care are big business. Sure they're non-profit....on paper, because if they got paid FOR adoptions, that would qualify as baby-brokering. So they get around it by claiming they're non-profit yet charging horrendous fees (fees for a healthy infant average around 20 grand and can go higher) for "social workers, attorneys, medical expenses, home visits, applications, and screening" services.
A birthmother cannot be paid ANYTHING AT ALL.
The money goes to the attorneys and social workers for those "legal fees/screenings/etc". Since most agencies have attorneys on staff, this is essentially a commission. But it's legal.
Foster care? They get money per month for each child for support, and since they're non-profit, they can also accept charitable contributions. They also get grants for moving kids out of foster care and into adoption. Sometimes the state also charges the birth family child support for the kids in foster care.
It's all about $$$.
I'm trying to be fair here, because my experience with the Southern Baptist Church was entirely negative and I have an intense dislike for the sect, but this is not personal: They despise the Mormons, because they think ALL sects of the LDS church are a cult.
A Baptist spokesman said in an interview that he was happy to work with CPS during "this emergency" and that he hoped "all the kids could be placed in good Christian homes." (That burned my butt......of course since they're FLDS they aren't "real" Christians....)
No, I am very openly one of those "If they sexually abuse children, remove the children from their control and prosecute the pervs" kind of guys.
Micah68's point that perhaps all those children in that church should be removed doesn't hold up because they are not in a communal situation where a molester can have direct influence on every child as a group.
The Baptist minister was ministering to adults and his attempted molestation was outside the congregation. He did not appear to be using his authority to abuse kids entrusted to him and under his control.
I haven't heard that the Amish have been known for child sexual abuse or even keeping harems.
I suppose it may be because I am not familiar with what goes on in the Northeast or the with the Amish but I am sure you will be happy to direct me to the stories of the Amish sexual perverts.
don
The comments section of an online newspaper always brings out the lunatics in an area.
don
No FT, you responded quite succintly:
What that says to me is that the fact that the kids lived in a commune (according to you), that they were somehow more in need of being seized. My point is that the Amish live in an extended "commune" ("community" set apart from non-members), so that in that vein, you'd be in support of their children also being seized.
And now you try to sidestep what you said only a few posts ago....
What that says to me is that the fact that the kids lived in a commune (according to you), that they were somehow more in need of being seized. My point is that the Amish live in an extended "commune" ("community" set apart from non-members), so that in that vein, you'd be in support of their children also being seized.
And now you try to sidestep what you said only a few posts ago....
No FT, you responded quite succintly:
What that says to me is that the fact that the kids lived in a commune (according to you), that they were somehow more in need of being seized. My point is that the Amish live in an extended "commune" ("community" set apart from non-members), so that in that vein, you'd be in support of their children also being seized.
And now you try to sidestep what you said only a few posts ago....
If the Amish were sexually abusing underage girls in their commune I would indeed support the removal of those children. If the Baptists at Prestonwood Church were supporting child sexual abuse and lived in a commune I would support the removal of those children.
Instead, the Baptists did not try to justify the abuser and did make the statement that they were "Appalled, Disgraced and that it was an unacceptable action".
Baptists do not condone men keeping harems either. Baptists do not preach that a girl's only way to Heaven is to join a Prophet's harem.
don
fruit loop
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Fulltimer, google Mary Byler.
She was sexually abused by her older brother. The Amish "handled" the matter by giving her brother a dressing down and instructing Mary to forgive him. When Mary complained that her brother was still abusing her, her own mother chided her for not "really" forgiving him.
When Mary found thathe had moved on to her younger sister, she called the police. The Amish community responded by casting Mary out.
Her brother got ten years' probation and her mother got two for failing to protect her daughter. The Amish screamed that it was all religious discrimination. The victim, Mary Byler, was all but forgotten. She took the crime outside the community, and that, to the Amish, was the crime, not the rapes.
Edited to add the original thread http://www.timebomb2000.com/vb/showthread.php?t=131825&highlight=byler
She was sexually abused by her older brother. The Amish "handled" the matter by giving her brother a dressing down and instructing Mary to forgive him. When Mary complained that her brother was still abusing her, her own mother chided her for not "really" forgiving him.
When Mary found thathe had moved on to her younger sister, she called the police. The Amish community responded by casting Mary out.
Her brother got ten years' probation and her mother got two for failing to protect her daughter. The Amish screamed that it was all religious discrimination. The victim, Mary Byler, was all but forgotten. She took the crime outside the community, and that, to the Amish, was the crime, not the rapes.
Edited to add the original thread http://www.timebomb2000.com/vb/showthread.php?t=131825&highlight=byler