Saudis reject Bush's plea to increase oil output

Sleeping Cobra

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Saudi Arabian leaders made clear Friday they see no reason to increase oil production until their customers demand it, apparently rebuffing President Bush amid soaring U.S. gasoline prices.

During Bush's second personal appeal this year to King Abdullah, Saudi officials stuck to their position that they are already meeting demand, the president's national security adviser told reporters.

"What they're saying to us is ... Saudi Arabia does not have customers that are making requests for oil that they are not able to satisfy," Stephen Hadley said on a day when oil prices topped $127 a barrel, a record high.

The Saudi government indicated that it is willing to put on the market whatever oil is necessary to meet the demand of its customers, Hadley said.

But even then, he said, Saudi leaders say increased production would not dramatically reduce pump prices in the United States.

The Saudis are investing in ways to increase oil production over time. Officials told Bush they are doing "everything they can do" for now to address a complicated market.

Hadley said the Bush administration will take the explanation back to its own experts and "see it if conforms."

If precedent is any indication, however, Bush was unlikely to get much sympathy from the Saudi monarch. He asked Abdullah in January to increase production and was rebuffed.

"I hope that President Bush goes in with low expectations," says Robert Ebel, an energy analyst at the Center for Strategic and International Studies. "He's going to be disappointed if he doesn't."

Bush acknowledges that raising output is difficult because the demand for oil — particularly from China and India — is stretching supplies. Also, economists say prices are being driven up by increased demand, not slowed production.

As fuel prices set records almost daily, U.S. politicians facing fall elections want to show voters they are taking action. Two congressional proposals, though, could put a crimp in the United States' relationship with Saudi Arabia, one of its key allies in the Middle East.

"The politicians are under pressure to do something, anything, and so they're thrashing around," says energy consultant J. Robinson West of PFC Energy. "Unfortunately, there may be some unintended consequences of their actions."

One bill would freeze four highly sought-after arms deals, including a $123 million shipment of sophisticated laser-guided smart bomb kits that would give Saudi airstrikes pinpoint accuracy. Another would give U.S. prosecutors the authority to apply U.S. antitrust laws to oil-producing countries.

New York Sen. Charles Schumer, a Democratic sponsor of the first bill, says the legislation is intended to give Bush leverage in his meeting at the Saudi monarch's horse farm.

"We cannot settle for a smile or a handshake or even a glimpse into his soul," Schumer said. "We need a commitment to pump more oil."

Congress overwhelmingly passed a bill Wednesday telling Bush to stop depositing oil in U.S. reserves. That would put another 70,000 barrels a day on the market, a trickle of the more than 20 million Americans consume daily.

"It's all political posturing, and the world is listening to America say these things, and it may mean strained diplomatic relations in the future," says Elizabeth Rosenberg, an analyst at Argus Media, an energy news agency.

Many experts say bills such as Schumer's are short-term fixes at best and miss the larger problem. Saudi Arabia is not to blame for higher oil prices, West says.

"Bush is under political pressure domestically and he understands the situation internationally, so he'll deal tactfully with the Saudis," West says. "And the Saudis also understand Bush's position, so it will be a very tactful exchange, but it's unrealistic to expect any results."

If anyone is doing the right thing, West says, it is Saudi Arabia, the one oil-producing country that is investing significant percentages of its oil profits in developing new production capabilities.

"Saudi Arabia is the last country we should be targeting," West says.

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Rising oil prices are the product of skyrocketing demand fueled by rapid economic growth in China, India and, to a lesser extent, Persian Gulf states. Saudi Arabia has an estimated 2 million barrels a day of spare capacity, but much of it is undesirable heavy crude, which is expensive to refine and less suitable for conversion into gasoline.

"They are trying to walk the fine line in which oil prices stay high so they make a lot of money, but not so high that people slow down in their consumption," Rosenberg says.

Bush's desire for more Saudi oil will receive an unsympathetic response as long as the United States is unwilling to increase supply or reduce demand, West says. Bush has refused to stop adding oil to the national reserve stockpile. The administration also has refused to drill in the oilfields in the eastern Gulf of Mexico because Florida objects.

"It would appear that the tourism and real estate industry of Florida is more important than our energy security and, frankly, Saudi doesn't understand why America is making demands on everyone else when they're not prepared to do the same," West says.

"Politicians don't want to explain to people that we have to do something for ourselves," says Adam Sieminski, the chief energy economist for Deutschbank. "We have to have tighter fuel-efficiency standards for our automobiles, we have to build more nuclear energy plants, and we have to drill more gas fields in the Gulf off of Florida."

Beyond oil, Iran also dominated the meeting between the president and the king. The two shared a concern over the recent in violence in Lebanon, where Hezbollah overran Beirut neighborhoods last week. The display of military power by the Iranian- and Syrian-backed Hezbollah, which the U.S. considers a terrorist organization, resulted in the worst internal fighting since the end of Lebanon's 1975-90 civil war.

Hadley said the leaders shared concerns the recent events would "embolden Iran." The U.S. and Saudi Arabia, he said, "are of one mind in condemning what Hezbollah did in bringing pressure on the duly elected government of Lebanon."

"Iran, working directly and through Syria, was very much behind what happened in Lebanon over the weekend and it is another example of Iran taking actions that are contrary to the interests of those in the Middle East who want peace, security and freedom," Hadley said.

On Thursday, the Hezbollah-led opposition and U.S.-backed government reached a deal to end the violence after Lebanon's Cabinet reversed measures aimed at reining in the militants.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2008-05-15-saudi_N.htm
 

Sleeping Cobra

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Oil hits another record above $127 a barrel

NEW YORK — Oil prices surged more than $3 Friday, shattering a previous record to spike near $128 a barrel, as prices at the pump pushed to new highs of their own.

The gains come 10 days before the Memorial Day holiday, the traditional start of the peak U.S. summer driving season, suggesting that retail gas prices have further to rise.

Americans are now paying a national average of $3.787 a gallon for regular gasoline, up nearly a penny from the previous day, according to AAA and the Oil Price Information Service.

Diesel prices also have risen to record levels, meaning that even Americans who don't drive will likely face even higher prices on all sorts of goods because of increased shipping costs. A gallon of diesel now sells for $4.482 a gallon.

Light, sweet crude for June delivery rose as high as $127.82 a barrel on the New York Mercantile Exchange, before easing somewhat to trade up $2.64 to $126.76. The contract settled at $124.12 Thursday.

Oil prices could rise even higher as U.S. demand picks up during the summer months, when gasoline consumption is typically the heaviest.

Still, Saudi Arabia, the world's largest oil producer, does not see enough demand from customers to increase oil production, the White House said Friday morning. President Bush was in the oil-rich Gulf kingdom in part to lobby for an increase in crude output.

Also pushing oil prices up were speculation that China's demand for diesel needed to fuel its power plants would rise due to reconstruction efforts after this week's earthquakes and an upward revision of an oil price forecast by investment bank Goldman Sachs from $107 to $141 a barrel for the second half of the year.

"Everything the market looks at is bullish," said a report by U.S. energy risk management firm Cameron Hanover.

Technical trading, which takes into account prices patterns and other technical data instead of relying more on fundamentals such as supply and demand, also was seen as a reason for the high prices.

"Unless there is a confluence of substantive bearish news, when there is a pullback of something like $5, it's unlikely to stay down because enough participants will see that as a buying opportunity," said Victor Shum, an energy analyst with Purvin & Gertz in Singapore.

Thursday's expiration of options contracts and a temporary shutdown of ICE Futures trading in crude oil and other futures products due to a power outage also contributed to the previous session's volatility.

"So there was a lot of confusion yesterday, and not surprisingly, there was this wild, seesaw session," Shum said.

Options let investors bet oil prices will rise or fall in the future, and prices can fluctuate widely on days when options expire.

Shum said oil is still seen as a better bet than investors' other options.

"Oil as a class has performed better this year than equities and bonds, and continues to encourage investors to pile money into oil and stay in oil," Shum said.

On Thursday, the U.S. Energy Department reported that natural gas inventories rose 93 billion cubic feet last week, more than analysts had expected, and that pulled the whole petroleum energy complex lower.

Fluctuations in the dollar have contributed as well to oil's volatility. The dollar has generally been stronger than earlier in the year, but it is waffling between 104 and 105 against the yen, while the euro seems to be range-bound between $1.54 and $1.55.

Investors have been viewing oil and other commodities as a hedge against inflation and a weaker dollar since the middle of last year, and that link has meant that oil has been tending to rise and fall inversely with the dollar.
http://www.usatoday.com/money/industries/energy/2008-05-16-crude-oil-record-friday_N.htm
 

Kendo

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Who is the dork in the white dress wearing these?

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It's your master. :smkd:
 

Desperado

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During Bush's second personal appeal this year to King Abdullah, Saudi officials stuck to their position that they are already meeting demand, the president's national security adviser told reporters.

I thought Bush said he wasn't going to negotiate with terrorists?
 
From first article:

Saudi officials stuck to their position that <b>they are already meeting demand,</b> the president's national security adviser told reporters.

But even then, he said, Saudi leaders say <b>increased production would not dramatically reduce pump prices</b> in the United States.

The Saudis are investing in ways to increase oil production over time. Officials told Bush they are doing "everything they can do" for now to address a <b>complicated market.</b>

From second article:

Technical trading, which takes into account prices patterns and other technical data instead of relying more on fundamentals such as supply and demand, also was seen as a reason for the high prices.

Want to bet that Saudi money is partially behind the wild-eyed energy market speculation that is helping to keep oil prices artificially high?

The market is "complicated" because the Saudis want it to be so.


intothegoodnight
 

blackjeep

The end times are here.
From first article:



From second article:



Want to bet that Saudi money is partially behind the wild-eyed energy market speculation that is helping to keep oil prices artificially high?

The market is "complicated" because the Saudis want it to be so.


intothegoodnight

BINGO!! WE HAVE A WINNER.
 

fairbanksb

Freedom Isn't Free
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=ax6FAhwJAl_w&refer=home

Saudi Arabia Says It Will Boost Oil Output in June (Update4)

By Janine Zacharia

May 16 (Bloomberg) -- Saudi Arabia, the world's largest oil exporter, will increase crude production next month in response to rising demand from its customers and a request by U.S. President George W. Bush to ease the strain of record prices.

The country will raise output by 300,000 barrels a day, or 3.3 percent, to 9.45 million barrels a day in June, Saudi Oil Minister Ali al-Naimi said in Riyadh today, following a meeting between Bush and Saudi Arabia's King Abdullah.

``The president has asked the Saudis to produce oil to meet demand,'' Tony Fratto, a White House spokesman, said in Riyadh after Naimi's remarks. ``He was reassured by the king that they have increased production as the market demands.''

Crude oil futures traded in New York rose to a record about one hour after Bush landed in Saudi Arabia today. They later settled at $126.29, an increase of $2.17, or 1.7 percent, though below the day's high after the promise to boost production. Saudi Arabia is the world's largest oil exporter and the most influential member of OPEC.

``It's just a token increase but it shows that the Saudis realize just how important it is for the president to not come back empty handed,'' said Peter Beutel, president of Cameron Hanover Inc. in New Canaan, Connecticut. ``This is about a lot more than oil. The special relationship between the countries is at stake.''

Earlier today, before Naimi's remarks, U.S. National Security Adviser Stephen Hadley said the Saudi policy was to supply extra oil only if customers needed it.

Saudi Increase

``On May 10 we increased our response to our customers by 300,000 barrels because they asked for it,'' al-Naimi said later. ``So our production for June will be 9.45 million barrels per day. This is the request of about 50 customers worldwide.''

In another sign of cooperation, Saudi Aramco, the kingdom's state-run oil company, and U.S.-based ConocoPhillips said they will build and own a 400,000 barrel-a-day refinery in Yanbu on the Saudi Red Sea Coast, to be completed by 2013.

Oil prices have doubled in the past year on surging demand, supply disruptions in places such as Nigeria and commodity purchases by investors as a hedge against a weakening U.S. dollar. The price surge threatens to accelerate inflation and curb economic growth.

``The Saudis have engineered this to make it look like they're doing something to help, but the market is rightfully skeptical,'' said Robert Laughlin, a senior broker at MF Global Ltd. in London.

Filling the Gap

``As far as the U.S. is concerned, most of the 300,000 came from the U.S. and we responded to it on May 10,'' al-Naimi said, referring to the kingdom's production increase. Saudi Arabia is making up for output losses from other countries, such as Nigeria, Venezuela and Mexico, he said.

Production from the 13 members of the Organization of Petroleum Exporting Countries fell by about 390,000 barrels a day in April, to 31.7 million barrels a day, largely because of declines in Nigeria, according to a monthly report yesterday from OPEC's secretariat, which cited estimates from secondary sources.

Some Nigeria production was lost because of a strike at Exxon Mobil Corp.'s facilities and because of militant attacks on Royal Dutch Shell Plc pipelines. The West African nation is usually one of the largest crude suppliers to the U.S.

Saudi Production

The same OPEC report said Saudi Arabia's April production was 9.02 million barrels a day, down 37,000 barrels a day from a month earlier. Nigeria's output fell by 251,000 barrels a day. The Saudi supply increase will offset declines last month, MF Global's Laughlin said.

The Saudi oil minister said Bush was satisfied ``because our response is positive. If you want to move more oil you need a buyer,'' al-Naimi said at a press conference at the Saudi foreign ministry in Riyadh.

OPEC, which pumps more than 40 percent of the world's oil, has kept output targets unchanged during its past three meetings, on March 5, Feb. 1 and Dec. 5.

``I don't think there is a need for more oil'' from OPEC, Qatari Oil Minister Abdullah al-Attiyah said in a telephone interview. ``My customers aren't asking for more oil.''

The Qatari minister said recent reports from the International Energy Agency have shown reductions in demand forecasts and added that there is ``no need'' for OPEC to meet before its next scheduled conference on Sept. 9.

He declined to comment on Saudi Arabia's statement, saying it was a ``sovereign'' decision.

Saudi Arabia plans to boost oil production capacity to 12.5 million barrels a day by 2009, Naimi said, reiterating previous comments. OPEC spokeswoman Sally Jones declined to comment when contacted by phone today in Vienna.

To contact the reporters on this story: Janine Zacharia in Riyadh at jzacharia@bloomberg.net.
Last Updated: May 16, 2008 16:39 EDT
 

sandra

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OK, let me get this straight, so I can understand. Bush goes to Isreal and talks bad mouth about all the other countries in the middle east and then puffs all up about himself.... fast forward to next day and he goes to ask favor of one of the countries he bad mouthed the day before. This is definately the type of foreign policy we need. I just don't understand how the rest of the world doesn't 'get it' and cow tow to us.
 

Warandra

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OK, let me get this straight, so I can understand. Bush goes to Isreal and talks bad mouth about all the other countries in the middle east and then puffs all up about himself.... fast forward to next day and he goes to ask favor of one of the countries he bad mouthed the day before. This is definately the type of foreign policy we need. I just don't understand how the rest of the world doesn't 'get it' and cow tow to us.

Certainly McCain will be no less an 'Israel right or wrong' supporter. So, expect the price of oil to continue to rise.
 

night driver

ESFP adrift in INTJ sea
They won't cause they can't !

Nah guys, THIS is the winner.....


Sandra, SOMEWHEER In the discussions today, down back where there weren't ANY press ijits, the Saudi's had to come to GW hat in hand (ok kefiya in hand) and ask hm if he couls help them out with a little problem thay are having with a country not in the Arab League...

THAT conversation was highly painful for them and we won't be hearing about it any time soon.

BUT, I suspect that once things get cleared up a BIT better and Skipi gets his Miss Shock n Awe fix the oil issues will become much more clear also....
 

truthseeker

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OK, let me get this straight, so I can understand. Bush goes to Isreal and talks bad mouth about all the other countries in the middle east and then puffs all up about himself.... fast forward to next day and he goes to ask favor of one of the countries he bad mouthed the day before. This is definately the type of foreign policy we need. I just don't understand how the rest of the world doesn't 'get it' and cow tow to us.

Not exactly, the Israeli's and Saudi's actually get along as far as the Iranian issue goes. Lower oil prices in June will take about till the end of the summer to effect gas prices. About the same time they go down for the summer season.

If this doesnt happen and the democrats will have an advantage in November. So if the Saud's Dont want a huge Iranian influence at their borders, They better find a solution. I think they will double that output, but dont wat to upset their opec partners, so the other half will not be known till after its pumped.
 
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