That Ticking Noise You Hear in Your Wallet is a Credit-Card Time Bomb

Martin

Deceased
Thursday, May 15th, 2008


That Ticking Noise You Hear in Your Wallet is a Credit-Card Time Bomb
By Peter D. Schiff
Guest Columnist

For those holding out hope that the American economy can miraculously avoid a long and deep recession, consumer credit is often viewed as the wonder drug that can cure all manner of economic ills. As such, last week’s report showing that consumer credit grew by $15 billion was widely heralded as proof of America’s economic strength and resilience.

The reality is very different, however: We’re already suffering from the after-effects of too much debt, meaning that our salvation cannot be found in more of the same.

Death by a Thousand Charge Slips
Credit card debt, which now stands at whopping $957 billion nationally (approximately $3,000 for every U.S. citizen) has, in recent years, taken on a different role in the life of American consumers.

In the past, credit cards were used primarily to purchase big-ticket items, enabling consumers to spread the costs out over many months, making goods a bit more affordable.

Now, however, charge cards are increasingly being used to bridge the gap between cost of living and the diminishing purchasing power of Americans who have been taxed mercilessly by inflation. By buying with available credit instead of unavailable cash, consumers are not simply postponing the pain of higher prices, but compounding it by packing interest expenses into the costs of everyday purchases. In addition, as home equity credit is now unavailable to fund large purchases, many consumers are turning to non-deductible, higher-cost credit card debt as their last remaining lifeline. As such, credit card debt compounds steadily, and for many borrowers, becomes increasingly impossible to pay down.
The statistics tell the tale. According to Equifax Inc. (EFX) a credit card analysis firm, people have been buying more with their credit cards but paying down less. As a result, average balances jumped nearly 9% in 2007 and delinquency rates recently hit a four-year high of 4.5%.

Also, the reliance on credit cards is preventing some of the market’s salutary forces from working. With credit always an option, domestic demand remains strong - despite rising prices. Absent the option of putting more costly gasoline on their credit cards, Americans might have actually been forced to cut back on their fuel consumption, taking some of the upward pressure off gas prices.

It should be painfully obvious that expanded consumer credit is actually evidence of deterioration - not improvement. Unfortunately, when it comes to understanding the economy, there is little common sense on display. By going even deeper into debt just to make ends meet, American consumers are digging themselves, and our entire economy, into an ever-deeper economic hole and laying the foundation for the next major credit debacle. It’s fitting that just as both U.S. Treasury Secretary Henry M. Paulson and JP Morgan Chase & Co. (JPM) Chief Executive Officer Jamie Dimon declared that the worst of the crisis has past, we are on the verge of kicking this credit mess into a much-higher gear.

My guess is that many Americans continue to run up massive credit card debt because they have little intention of ever paying it off. Since many who are underwater on their home loans, and behind on their auto and student loans, too, see bankruptcy as a foregone conclusion, they see no reason not to just go ahead and pile on as much debt as possible while the taps remain open.

Those choking on credit-card debt may also be taking cheer from the gathering government campaign to bail out over-leveraged homeowners. The sheer numbers of consumers who are afflicted with spiraling monthly payments will make credit card relief a potent political issue for crusading congressional and presidential candidates. After all, there are few fundamental differences between those who borrowed too much to buy houses and those who made the same mistake with consumer goods.

If the government bails out the former, then why not the latter, as well? In fact, one reason some homeowners have such large mortgages is that they consolidated their credit card debts into their mortgages each time they refinanced. Why should renters be forced to pay off their credit card debts while homeowners get to have their debts forgiven?

It’s certainly a fair question.

But it may also be moot. Soon, as credit-card delinquencies rise - and losses on pools of securitized credit card debt mount - those supplying the credit will finally get wise to the fact they will never get their money back. As a result, the market for such debt will dry up even more quickly than did the market for subprime mortgages. Credit cards will therefore be much harder to come by and will have much lower limits then they do today. Limited to only the cash in their wallets, Americans finally will be forced to dramatically curtail their spending, and the recession will finally gather serious momentum.



http://www.moneymorning.com/2008/05...ar-in-your-wallet-is-a-credit-card-time-bomb/
 

Scotto

Set Apart
My guess is that many Americans continue to run up massive credit card debt because they have little intention of ever paying it off. Since many who are underwater on their home loans, and behind on their auto and student loans, too, see bankruptcy as a foregone conclusion, they see no reason not to just go ahead and pile on as much debt as possible while the taps remain open.


That would be my guess too.

But wasn't a law passed stating that if you file for bankruptcy, you couldn't include credit cards? :shr:
 

FlyLadyFan

Inactive
I was behind an average-looking lady at the self-checkout at wallyworld today and saw her get two credit cards declined before she ended up paying in cash. She ended up putting two 20s in the machine and she was buying pepsi and I couldn't tell what else (point being, non-essentials).

My first thought was, wow, that seems kind of "pushing it" to go through two cards before you're willing to part with $40 in cash.

My second thought was, "There but for the grace of God go I."

That's just anecdotal, but makes me wonder about the overall picture out there.

FLF

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DrPrepper

Inactive
FLF, I see this too, then wonder if I am judging people.

But then I snap to my senses and figure out that most Christians in the US etc have become non critical thinkers, and frankly, just don't get it.
 

Nuthatch

Inactive
I use a credit card for many things including gasoline to pay at the pump, which is way convenient in this day of pre-pay gas rules. Using the card earns points I redeem for hotel rooms, which works well for us. I pay it in full each and every time. Zero fees that way.

But if you saw me using it you might jump to conclusions. Though I have never had it declined.
 

FlyLadyFan

Inactive
FLF, I see this too, then wonder if I am judging people.

But then I snap to my senses and figure out that most Christians in the US etc have become non critical thinkers, and frankly, just don't get it.

Instead of using the phrase "pushing it" I should have said "living close to the edge" to describe my thoughts on seeing two cards declined for less than $40 in charges.

I wasn't judging her; I was immediately thinking of the overall economy and wondering if I was witnessing symptoms firsthand. I wouldn't recognize the lady if I saw her again today -- I was thinking of the macro American situation.

I was also calculating my plan of action to assist: IF she had been purchasing basic essentials and IF she had turned to put them back rather than purchase them, I would have immediately asked if she would bless me by allowing me to pay for her purchases. As both factors were not present, I busied myself with a tabloid so as not to embarrass her.

As I processed my own purchases . . . (including about 40 pounds in various beans to round out some six-gallon buckets we need to seal up, which is why I was using the evil self-checkout and paying cash) . . . I became very convicted of my own wasteful spending habits and that if I don't reign them in I too could end up with a declined credit card some day.

I use my debit cards as credit cards all the time to purchase nearly everything. It also would look like credit card insanity to people making assumptions. Of course they don't get declined though because I know how much cash is backing each card at time of purchase.

I suppose the lady in front of me could have been getting zing-ed by her dh who had hit the ATM early that day unbeknownst to her. Similar husband-produced scenarios have happened to me when pizza delivery came and my wallet revealed only $3 remaining (and had to excuse myself to the corner of my house where the little safe is).

FLF

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shane

Has No Life - Lives on TB
I remember a Paladin book out 20+ years ago that actually presented a last minute survival strategy of running up your CC to buy everything you needed with the plan that you would never have to pay it back cause things would soon be so dislocated and in chaos nobody would ever come around to collect anyways. They included an example of renting a big motorhome and trailer and stocking it all up with fuel, supplies, etc. then driving off to your remote retreat location.

Of course, timing is everything.

- Shane
 

shane

Has No Life - Lives on TB
And, another thing...

Even for those who responsibly use credit cards, pay them off every month, everyone needs to understand they can all be turned off in a heartbeat, nationwide or for specific regions or states.

Anytime the CC companies feel that a large enough disaster would produce a combination of many people, now likely newly unemployed, also running up big charges to survive or re-build...click..."sorry, your credit card was declined." could become common at every checkout counter through the region.

I saw this happen to a whole coastal state in Venezuela after the floods and mudslides of Christmas 1999, which killed 30,000. Did not matter if you were a doctor, lawyer, business owner, etc. if you had a billing address in that devastated coastal state your credit card was purposely turned off, dead, regardless of credit history or where you later tried to use it anywhere else in the country.

They may blame it on infrastructure, phones jammed, computers down, whatever, but same result, dead cards at the worst possible moment. So, don't ever count on CC's ever being a back-up for anything in a pinch.

And, if you've got cash for supplies you have not gotten already, be prepared for wading through a riot at the store cause people will be milling around and livid during a panic when that happens to their credit card and their own carts piled high aren't going anywhere now. Not the place to be strolling merrily out with yours...

- Shane
 

Emily

One Day Closer
That would be my guess too.

But wasn't a law passed stating that if you file for bankruptcy, you couldn't include credit cards? :shr:

A friend just went through bankruptcy and you cannot include owed income taxes, owed student loans, or anything you put on a credit card in the 90 days preceding filing or any major purchases - like jewelry or other luxury items in the preceding year.
 
I guess I'm being dumb here but I don't get this anti-credit card thing going on here.

If you have some self control and pay the things off each month it allows you to keep the money that you WOULD have used somewhere that pays interest (the ING bank, for example). Now if you also have a credit card that pays you cash back (Discover, Pentagon Federal CU, even Citibank does one) then you get a second helping of "free" money. By my calculations that's worth about $500/year to me.

Debit cards are the worst evil of all - there's NO protection like you'd get with a credit card for fraud or faulty goods, and worst of all if they mischarge you they aren't even liable for the problems they cause - bounced checks, mortgage payments, any of that stuff.

Help me out here folks - what's the story?
 

Emily

One Day Closer
I guess I'm being dumb here but I don't get this anti-credit card thing going on here.

If you have some self control and pay the things off each month it allows you to keep the money that you WOULD have used somewhere that pays interest (the ING bank, for example). Now if you also have a credit card that pays you cash back (Discover, Pentagon Federal CU, even Citibank does one) then you get a second helping of "free" money. By my calculations that's worth about $500/year to me.

Debit cards are the worst evil of all - there's NO protection like you'd get with a credit card for fraud or faulty goods, and worst of all if they mischarge you they aren't even liable for the problems they cause - bounced checks, mortgage payments, any of that stuff.

Help me out here folks - what's the story?

It isn't that people have self control or not - it is a matter that so many people are being caught in a budget crunch and the only way they are finding to survive is with credit cards. They have lost one or both jobs in the family or they have had pay cuts, or they were living paycheck to paycheck hoping to get ahead in life with future pay increases and promotions when 'life' happened and the perfect storm hit their financial futures.

Hope that helps you to see what a lot of people are concerned about for those who are choosing to postpone the inevitable with the false sense of security with credit cards.
 
Emily, thanks - I can sort-of see that some folks might use them rather than face up to reality (not being able to afford X, be it the new Jet Ski or the filet mignon) but this idea that somehow debit cards are better is alien - it just doesn't make any sense.
:shr:
 

Emily

One Day Closer
Emily, thanks - I can sort-of see that some folks might use them rather than face up to reality (not being able to afford X, be it the new Jet Ski or the filet mignon) but this idea that somehow debit cards are better is alien - it just doesn't make any sense.
:shr:


True - and I think there are a lot of those out there completely with their head in the sand as it comes to common sense in seeing the economic conditions and to stop using cc to inflate their standard of living as if the cc are a legitimate addition to their salary - because that is how many see it. If they have a credit card with a credit limit they haven't reached yet - they actually see that as 'spendable' money they deserve or have a right to spend.

While I feel sorry for then and their future date with reality - I also share your feelings about their choice to be naiave.

Also - as for debit cards - I don't trust the cc companies for one minute of debt with them. I have a debit card that is wholely separate from my true finances and put small amounts of discretionary money in that account. That is what I use to buy things on line and for those few times I don't have any cash on me.

But - I use it as a credit card. That way I don't have to pay any fees, and it does have the same protections as a credit card - at least that is they way my bank handles it. It is a win - win for them. I am still using my money - not theirs - but they get the fee from the store for the transaction.
 

Chartreuse

Yellow Solar Sun
That would be my guess too.

But wasn't a law passed stating that if you file for bankruptcy, you couldn't include credit cards? :shr:

NO!

Sorry for shouting, but the level of misinformation out there regarding the overhaul of the bankruptcy laws is astounding, and it's hurting people because many who are eligible for bankruptcies think it's not an option.

The idiotically-named Bankruptcy Abuse Prevention and Consumer Protection Act did many things, none of them good for actual human beings, but with only a couple of exceptions that would only apply to a minority of filers, the same things that could be discharged before can still be discharged. Credit cards, medical bills, most other consumer debt, and some taxes can still be wiped out.

The big change, the one that has screwed over many, many people, is the restricting of Chapter 7's to those who either make under the median for their household size or, if they make over the median, can prove through what's called a Means Test that they have extraordinary expenses. If they don't meet either of these criterian, then they are forced into a Chapter 13.

The other big problem is that because the new laws created burdensome (and completely unnecessary) requirements for paperwork, the cost of doing a bankruptcy has gone up substantially, and it is hard for a lot of folks who are already financially buried to come up with the money.

I am still hoping beyond hope that as the economy continues to worsen that Congress will repeal these new laws. They are doing far more harm than good, and that's a generous statement because I actually can't think of a SINGLE good thing that has come out of them, when looking at them from the standpoint of human beings. They were a gift from Congress to the credit card companies, nothing more.
 

Chartreuse

Yellow Solar Sun
A friend just went through bankruptcy and you cannot include owed income taxes, owed student loans, or anything you put on a credit card in the 90 days preceding filing or any major purchases - like jewelry or other luxury items in the preceding year.

This isn't entirely correct:

1. Income taxes - if they are more than three years old and the returns were filed on time and so forth, you can usually discharge these.

2. Student loans - for all intents and purposes they can't be discharged, BUT under very narrow circumstances, if you can prove that you no means of paying them off and that there is virtually no hope that your situation will ever improve, it is possible. We did this for one of our clients, a woman whose entire income was a $400 a month disability payment for a permanent disability. Things pretty much have to be that bad for you before you'd have a chance.

3. Credit cards - while it's certainly better to have not used them in at least 90 days, if the things purchased were groceries or gas or prescriptions (in other words, necessities) it's probably not going to be questioned.
 

DuckandCover

Proud Sheeple
NO!

Sorry for shouting, but the level of misinformation out there regarding the overhaul of the bankruptcy laws is astounding, and it's hurting people because many who are eligible for bankruptcies think it's not an option.

The idiotically-named Bankruptcy Abuse Prevention and Consumer Protection Act did many things, none of them good for actual human beings, but with only a couple of exceptions that would only apply to a minority of filers, the same things that could be discharged before can still be discharged. Credit cards, medical bills, most other consumer debt, and some taxes can still be wiped out.

The big change, the one that has screwed over many, many people, is the restricting of Chapter 7's to those who either make under the median for their household size or, if they make over the median, can prove through what's called a Means Test that they have extraordinary expenses. If they don't meet either of these criterian, then they are forced into a Chapter 13.

The other big problem is that because the new laws created burdensome (and completely unnecessary) requirements for paperwork, the cost of doing a bankruptcy has gone up substantially, and it is hard for a lot of folks who are already financially buried to come up with the money.

I am still hoping beyond hope that as the economy continues to worsen that Congress will repeal these new laws. They are doing far more harm than good, and that's a generous statement because I actually can't think of a SINGLE good thing that has come out of them, when looking at them from the standpoint of human beings. They were a gift from Congress to the credit card companies, nothing more.


What's wrong with requiring somebody to pay back their debts? :confused:
 

Chartreuse

Yellow Solar Sun
What's wrong with requiring somebody to pay back their debts? :confused:

Are you saying you believe that bankrutpcy shouldn't be an option for anyone, no matter how desperate their situation? That people who fall ill or get divorced or lose their job should just have to be resigned to endless harrassment by creditors and that they should have no way out, even if there is no realistic chance that they would ever be able to pay what's owed? That's barely one step short of reinstituting debtors' prisons, isn't it?

Or maybe you'd actually be okay with that...
 

DuckandCover

Proud Sheeple
Are you saying you believe that bankrutpcy shouldn't be an option for anyone, no matter how desperate their situation? That people who fall ill or get divorced or lose their job should just have to be resigned to endless harrassment by creditors and that they should have no way out, even if there is no realistic chance that they would ever be able to pay what's owed? That's barely one step short of reinstituting debtors' prisons, isn't it?

Or maybe you'd actually be okay with that...

Are you saying that you believe BK should be an option for anyone, no matter how rosey their situation? That people who hit the lottery jackpot or marry into a rich family or get a huge payraise should be able to file BK, even if there is a very real chance they would be able to pay what is owed? That' barely one step short of legalizing theft, isn't it?

Or maybe you'd actually be okay with that....
 

Chartreuse

Yellow Solar Sun
Are you saying that you believe BK should be an option for anyone, no matter how rosey their situation? That people who hit the lottery jackpot or marry into a rich family or get a huge payraise should be able to file BK, even if there is a very real chance they would be able to pay what is owed?

I'm not sure I even understand your question here. It was never an option for people who had more assets than debts to file bankruptcy, even before the rule change. The trustee would sieze any assets that existed above and beyond the allowed legal exemptions (which are very spartan) and disburse those proceeds amongst the creditors. In addition, if their income was significantly higher than their expenses, that would have gotten them bounced as well. And again, this was true even before the rule change.

I'm getting the feeling you have no idea whatsoever about the circumstances of most of those who file bankruptcy, or how the whole process works.
 

DuckandCover

Proud Sheeple
I'm not sure I even understand your question here. It was never an option for people who had more assets than debts to file bankruptcy, even before the rule change. The trustee would sieze any assets that existed above and beyond the allowed legal exemptions (which are very spartan) and disburse those proceeds amongst the creditors. In addition, if their income was significantly higher than their expenses, that would have gotten them bounced as well. And again, this was true even before the rule change.

I'm getting the feeling you have no idea whatsoever about the circumstances of most of those who file bankruptcy, or how the whole process works.

I'm really no good at making my point subtly. ;)

My question/comment to you was almost word-for-word the same question/comment you gave me. The only difference was that I flipped it around.

What I was feebly attempting to show was how you made a massive leap by stating that perhaps I am in favor of debtor's prisons just because I inferred that paying ones debts is not such an evil thing and the BK should not be an easy option.

I have no first-hand experience with BK, so you are correct about that. I would guess that medical conditions, bills and loss of income due to the above pay a major part in....just guessing here.......50% of BK cases? I see those circumstances as mostly forgiveable. Still yet, every effort should be made to repay the debt....even if it is only a token amount over many, many years.

However, I'm not so forgiving for a BK caused by a loss of a job. Drastic cutbacks in lifestyle accompanied by another job, even if at much reduced wages, should keep people out of BK if they haven't made themselves dependant on a high-paying job that they couldn't relatively easily replace if need be.

I concede I don't have alot of experience in that area, but I do believe that paying one's debts should be a very, very high priority and a person should manage their finances in a way that gives them alot of flexiblity.

That's just my 2 cents............
 

Chartreuse

Yellow Solar Sun
I concede I don't have alot of experience in that area, but I do believe that paying one's debts should be a very, very high priority and a person should manage their finances in a way that gives them alot of flexiblity.

That's just my 2 cents............

On that one point, at least, we can agree.

But that being said...when I first became an adult and moved out on my own, a minimum wage job would at least cover the basics - a not-too-nice apartment, food (even if not very GOOD food), and basic utilities. I know, because that was exactly my situation. However, that's no longer the case - prices for these things have risen far faster than wages, and someone making minimum wage is virtually guaranteed to be behind from the get-go. One would have to be making significantly more than minimum just to barely make ends meet, and even if you mangage to put away a little for emergencies under that scenario, emergencies happen all the time and there goes your safety net.

Point being that while I do, as indicated, agree with your statement above, realistically, for a lot of people, there's not enough play in the wheel anymore to allow flexibility in the first place.
 

DuckandCover

Proud Sheeple
On that one point, at least, we can agree.

But that being said...when I first became an adult and moved out on my own, a minimum wage job would at least cover the basics - a not-too-nice apartment, food (even if not very GOOD food), and basic utilities. I know, because that was exactly my situation. However, that's no longer the case - prices for these things have risen far faster than wages, and someone making minimum wage is virtually guaranteed to be behind from the get-go. One would have to be making significantly more than minimum just to barely make ends meet, and even if you mangage to put away a little for emergencies under that scenario, emergencies happen all the time and there goes your safety net.

Point being that while I do, as indicated, agree with your statement above, realistically, for a lot of people, there's not enough play in the wheel anymore to allow flexibility in the first place.

Add in even the cheapest heatlh insurance and you are very much right.....minimum wage won't get the job done and allow a person to provide for themselves. Not in this day-and-age.
 

OddOne

< Yes, I do look like that.
Although the bankruptcy law deal is sorta-kinda tangental to the thread, it's worth noting that the reforms were written by MBNA, one of the larger providrs of credit cards and one of the biggest holders of subprime credit card accounts in the world. It was passed practically unchanged from the draft sent to the government by MBNA.

It was engineered to make bankruptcy prohibitively expensive for the people that would need it the most. That way creditors could sue first and go for default judgments before the debtor could afford to file. It's all very, very malevolent and greed-driven, and designed to screw the maximimum number of people maximally hard while minimizing creditors' exposure.

I betcha bankers and other issuers of credit would be among the first to swing from the proverbial trees when the citizenry is forced into action. You can't screw people indefinitely without them eventually getting pissed off about it.

oO
 

Dobbin

Faithful Steed
betcha bankers and other issuers of credit would be among the first to swing from the proverbial trees when the citizenry is forced into action. You can't screw people indefinitely without them eventually getting pissed off about it.

Shay's Rebellion is about the closest yet non-successful example I can think of offhand. In the 1780s Western Massachusetts was primarily a "barter" economy. Meanwhile the eastern sections was specie. Property tax and other eastern owned debts were required to be paid in specie and freeholders were losing their farms over nonpayment of debt. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shay's_Rebellion

Short lived action but dot.gov almost lost the Springfield Armory to the mob. Had the mob achieved their goal, the outcome (and our national situation to this day) might have been radically different.
 

45nut

Inactive
I betcha bankers and other issuers of credit would be among the first to swing from the proverbial trees when the citizenry is forced into action. You can't screw people indefinitely without them eventually getting pissed off about it.

They are on the list...........
 

USDA

Veteran Member
Bankruptcy as it was...severed several purposes....most broadly it was a 'year of jubilee' that caused all debts to default after the 7 year period...and indentured servents had to be released after that.

This gave some plain theives a license to steal...but in the broader aspect it freed the indebted persons to begin again...apply and build up credit, buy a car, a new house ect...without dragging about decades old debts.

Think about it...what is interest? It is orginally a gurantee or safty margin built into the loan...that meant over many loans, some that did not repay...on the whole the interest would cover that and the lender lose no principal.

So today we have Usery...rates that only loan sharkes used to use...the teens and twenty something interest rates...and on top of that...if a family needs to declair bankruptcy...so many herdles are place in their way...as to render them permanatly indebed...that is perpetual debt slaves.

This is counter productive not only for the family and the short sighted business that allows no forgiveness...but for society as a whole. When allowed to begin again...the family could once again gain not only wisdom but new wealth and spend it with the very companies that now don't want to let any debt slide.

This just sends everything off into a man made depression...that eventually will end up bankruptying the compaines that support it.

After all as Henery Ford noted...if his workers could not have wages that would support them buying his car...then where would the buyers come from? The rich are too few to need many cars...wealth is generated when everyone has a little.
 
We use our credit card for everything. Pay it off every month.

With the points, we have two very nice Sony laptops, free.

If used properly, the credit card can be an excellent tool that saves you money.

Pay off that debt as soon as you can, then live within your means.

If only .gov would do the same.:rolleyes:
 
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