So...What Exactly Would Happen First?

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Emily

One Day Closer
This may have been discussed through various threads but I have not seen it laid out as 1, 2, 3....

If we woke up tomorrow morning and the worst happened:

1. What would that worst be, financially I mean
2. On that first day, what would we expect the reaction to be in our neighborhoods
in our cities, in our state, nationally, worldwide
3. What will it be like in 3 days
4. What will it be like in 2 weeks?

I know that any responses will be simply conjecture but many of you here, I am sure, have thought about this and have played it out in your own mind.

I would like to hear your projections, please?
 
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Maher

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This would be the ideal scenario for our elite rulers: Martial Law and a bank holiday declared. Everything would deteriorate from that point into totalitarianism. At first, there would be apathy. People would go to their jobs and about their business as usual. After three days, the President will outline the problems and his solution. People will be more than happy to go along, because they don't want their lives to change. Then in two weeks, the government will start prosecuting enemies of the state. And, then certain people will be disposed of privately. But, most people will simply adjust to the new monetary system and order of things without a whimper.
 
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China Connection

China Connection

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Day one a rush on the banks if open followed by a rush on food supplies

Day one a rush on the banks if open followed by a rush on food supplies. Next sky high crime for food and comforts. Welcome to Mad Max.

Hyperinflation due to population trying to cash out of money into food and tangibles.

After a time and it could be months some form of martial law would be enforced.


House to house food searches for hoarding.


Detention in FEMA camps of those deemed to have the potential for organizing resistance to state control.


Wild card release of Bird Flu to depopulate what is seen as excess population.
 
mbabulldog

mbabulldog

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Emily said:
This may have been discussed through various threads but I have not seen it laid out as 1, 2, 3....

If we woke up tomorrow morning and the worst happened:

1. What would that worst be, financially I mean Any FRN instrument is worthless, equity markets dissolve, never to open again, same with the banks (they may reopen in a far distant time, but with new currency.
2. On that first day, what would we expect the reaction to be in our neighborhoodsFirst day or two, shock and disbelief. I'd bet most would stand around, talking with neighbors.
in our cities, in our state, nationally, worldwide
3. What will it be like in 3 days Reality kicks in, many move to double-up with family and friends.
4. What will it be like in 2 weeks?TEOTWAWKI. Have-nots try forcefully to take from the Have's, roving bands of gangs, etc. try to rule by Iron Fist. Communities still intact will rapidly form villages, with roles to provide and protect. Travel is prety much non-existant, for gas is gone, and the roads are blocked with vehicles that have run out. After this, well, anyones guess.

I know that any responses will be simply conjecture but many of you here, I am sure, have thought about this and have played it out in your own mind.

I would like to hear your projections, please?
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HeliumAvid

Too Tired to ReTire
Judging from 911 most would be like a deer in the head lights...

Most would just stand down for a bit till they ran out of food... if the lights stay on and the plumbing works... nothing will happen for several weeks...

Really...

Look at Iraq, they had the crap bombed out of them and they are still sort of semi not mad max.

It will take time for the climax...

Really
 
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Emily

One Day Closer
Wow - those sound very viable.

So, we wake up in the morning and learn what has happened....or in the course of our day we hear the news ...trickle in.

Do we stay home or go home and hunker down? Or do we try to go about our day as normal until the world starts to wake up and then hunker down?
 
timbo

timbo

Deceased
I wouldnt go more than an hour's walk from home. IOW, if you are out and about and there is traffic jams roadblocks,etc, then you may have to walk with your BOB.

So 4-5 miles is what you could cover. Anything after that could mean you may not make it back home.

Hunker down.....way down. Either black plastic, wood something to cover all windows except peep holes. Radios, TV on and be alert 24/7. Nothing else will allow you to make the next days,weeks months.

I predict that if the nation tanks into anarchy that we would lose 2/3 of our population, through starvation, riots, govt. control, health problems,etc in 90 days or less.
Our population may, just may be at 100 million. That is a very favorable number.

There would be no govt. concentration camps to go to because that means the govt would have to care for you even in a minimum ways.

Way too many govt. workers will just walk away from job and responsibility, including many of the military.

Some time in that 90 days there would be gangs that would take over territories such as cities especially and they would be total death traps.

Small suburban towns and their outlying areas would be run over and the countryside would look like a plague of locusts had stripped the earth.

In that 90 days we will hear nothing but gunfire and the wailing of the pathetic survivors
that are dying trying to eat grass and anything that will stop the starvation.

Have a nice day.
 
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dragonslayer2001

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worst that would happen in two weeks?


Imagine waking up and digi dollars, for whatever reason, are not available.

No credit cards, atm cards will work, and no one will take a check.

Some people will panic, fight and kill over a tank of gas, whatever, mostly in the big cities, and especially in ghetto areas. I would assume many small food/grocerie stores would close down or defend like the Korean shop owners did in the rodney king riots. I would'nt want to be within 5 miles of gang infested areas. Most people will behave and sit tight for weeks.

Overall, in two weeks? Not much. People have enough food to last a couple days to a week or three.

Getting worse from there? It would get a lot worse in the bigger cities. In smaller towns I would expect some neighbors and friends to pull together.

In the long run? Utter chaos and mad max. I don't think things would fall apart in 90 days as per Timbo's assessment baring nuclear war or a huge climatic storm. To many regional/city areas would form their own militias and local "law enforcement" for 3-6 months hoping some form of State government would take over. Hoarders and preppers would be hung.

There WOULD be a huge amount of local violence taking place all over. Iraq didn't decend into full scale Mad Max because the US army was there and the majority of people knew that sooner or later "government" would take over and there may be repercussions. But it was and IS insane over there still.

A lot of people will base their actions on perceived future conditions.


In the long run if it continues? Don't be a woman.

There are several historical writers who have written that every female aged 8 to 80 in eastern Germany were raped/gang raped by Russian soldiers.

I watched most of a particularly horrible documentary 2-3 nights ago on the fate of Congolese women. At the time of the doc., 4 separate rebel/invader/Congo army groups are/were operating in the Congo. DEADLY SILENCE: RAPE IN THE CONGO.

Women are raped/gang raped by the thousands or tens of thousands.. Husbands/kids murdered or cut apart in front of the women. Women's genitals are routinely mutilitated with rifle barrels or sticks. I mean flesh separating uterus from anus ripped apart. Standard mutilation. Some women are held over open fires after the men have their jollys. The women universally are outcast from their families and husbands. The "army" and local police were just as bad. The journalist were able to interview two groups of armed rapists. They all admitted to it. Several admitted they were college educated, but forced to fight in the jungle for months/years away from their wives and families - and that was it. They were armed, they were gangs of male company, and nobody could stop them or punish them.

If our world collapses in a big way, you had better seriously be prepared to defend yourself - in a serious way.

In a societal collapse, where the hope of recovery is slim or non existant, far more people will become absolute animals than if they fear a consequence.

And mankind is the most brutal creature on this planet.
 
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Dex

Constitutional Patriot
It will take quite a bit of time to degrade to Mad Max. At first there will just be runs on the banks and stores. States will close things down, travel will be highly restricted. Most average sheeple will stand around and wait to be told what to do. It will take a few weeks I think before the rioters and looters begin because there will be a perception of order and it will seem that the gov is bailing people out...until their reserves are depleted. THEN things will go south very quickly.

The question is, do you bug out during the first couple of days when everybody else is busy buying up everything at the store, or do you wait until it degrades and the .gov is no longer able to maintain the facade of order? Many of us who own property that would be destroyed if left behind have to face this question of sobering reality. When I was a renter the answer was easy, bug out, now I have a wife and home and a new outlook. I think we would bug out anyway, with the markets as they are now, we barely have any equity anyway...our survival would be of primary concern.

These are some serious questions to ponder, and there are many variations that could play out but if you keep it to the most simple and likely scenarios and ponder what you would do long and hard, you will do the right thing when the time comes.
 
jed turtle

jed turtle

a brother in the Lord
i don't think i would minimize timbo or DS's speculations.

wasn't it back in the 90s that the Russians woke up one morning with nary a clue and were informed they were to turn into all their old rubles for new ones?

we won't have any more clue than they did. i have read in the last year or two a proposal to have a two-tier currency, one for outside the country and another for inside the US, as a way to prevent the external supply of US dollars from coming back in and swamping us. i doubt it is preventable.
 
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dragonslayer2001

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Emily

baring nuclear war, the next closest thing to the ultimate worst case would be a seriously non stopable disease. Go read all this article and you will get a glimmer of some idea, though you really need first person accounts to understand the horrors of some situations.


Europe and Middle East

It is estimated that between one-quarter and one-third of the European population (35 million people) died from the outbreak between 1348 and 1350.[8] [76]

Contemporary observers, such as Jean Froissart, estimated the toll to be one-third—less an accurate assessment than an allusion to the Book of Revelation meant to suggest the scope of the plague.[77] Many rural villages were depopulated, mostly the smaller communities, as the few survivors fled to larger towns and cities leaving behind abandoned villages.[78]

The Black Death hit the culture of towns and cities disproportionately hard, although rural areas (where most of the population lived) were also significantly affected. A few rural areas, such as Eastern Poland and Lithuania, had such low populations and were so isolated that the plague made little progress. Parts of Hungary and, in modern Belgium, the Brabant region, Hainaut and Limbourg, as well as Santiago de Compostella, were unaffected for unknown reasons (some historians[79] have assumed that the presence of resistant blood groups in the local population helped them resist the disease, although these regions would be touched by the second plague outbreak in 1360-1363 and later during the numerous resurgences of the plague).

Other areas which escaped the plague were isolated mountainous regions (e.g. the Pyrenees). Larger cities were the worst off, as population densities and close living quarters made disease transmission easier. Cities were also strikingly filthy, infested with lice, fleas and rats, and subject to diseases related to malnutrition and poor hygiene. According to journalist John Kelly, "[w]oefully inadequate sanitation made medieval urban Europe so disease-ridden, no city of any size could maintain its population without a constant influx of immigrants from the countryside."(p. 68) The influx of new citizens facilitated the movement of the plague between communities, and contributed to the longevity of the plague within larger communities.

In Italy, Florence's population was reduced from 110,000 or 120,000 inhabitants in 1338 to 50,000 in 1351. Between 60 to 70% of Hamburg and Bremen's population died. In Provence, Dauphiné and Normandy, historians observe a decrease of 60% of fiscal hearths. In some regions, two thirds of the population was annihilated. In the town of Givry, in the Bourgogne region in France, the friar, who used to note 28 to 29 funerals a year, recorded 649 deaths in 1348, half of them in September. About half of Perpignan's population died in several months (only two of the eight physicians survived the plague). England lost 70% of its population, which declined from 7 million before the plague, to 2 million in 1400. [80]


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_plague



ps. near the last 1/4 of the plague years the religionists got lose. First they whipped themselves for months - then decided that someone was to blame, for "GOD's" punishment, so mass murder broke out and tens of thousands of "witches" and "consorts" were burned and tortured and hacked to death. And of course, mass murder of Jews.

Mass confessions under torture. Waterboarding anyone?

1349, Valentines Day. 2000 Jews are burned to death in Strasburg. It is repeated in at least 15 other cities.

Oh, first they banned all forms of entertainment. No drinking, gambling, carousing, whoring, etc., etc., etc., You know how bad the religious nuts are now. Imagine them under a year or two of real stress. The ringing of bells was also banned and punishable by death. The religious nuts "the flagellants" ended up attacking churches and killing priests and nuns as "false" spokesmen for "god".

After a lifetime of studying history, you may have gleaned I don't have a high regard for "mankind" in periods of high stress and catastrophe.


If you want worse case, just study some history. When things go really really bad, for an extended period, mankind goes mad. christians included.
 
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AZ Heat

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If life as we know it came to a screeching halt, with a total financial collapse...

I think people would peacefully gather around holding hands while singing Kumbaya. Card tables would be set up in the streets and UNO competitions would begin. After 3 days this would morph into serious charades while drinking hot chocolate and roasting marshmallows. In 2 weeks Red Rover and Duck Duck Goose would be the predominant games, allowing exercise to be incorporated into the games.

While the people peacefully make the best of the situation, eliminating all crime and hatred, the government would quickly fix the problem. They would work day and night because they are there to look after us. Then after things return to normal, we will all laugh together about how silly the situation became.
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frazbo

Veteran Member
Okay, here's one for you all....say the doo doo hits the oscillator here in CONUS, what do you all think our military, spread ALLLL over the place would do? Try to get home to their families? Stand their posts wherever they are? What would you do if you were that far from your family and you heard all hell broke loose in your country?

Just a thought.....
 
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Harbinger

Veteran Member
frazbo said:
Okay, here's one for you all....say the doo doo hits the oscillator here in CONUS, what do you all think our military, spread ALLLL over the place would do? Try to get home to their families? Stand their posts wherever they are? What would you do if you were that far from your family and you heard all hell broke loose in your country?

Just a thought.....
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Most would...when the truth finally hits home....in the beginning they would most likely go AWOL..however you are looking at a possibility of trying to make it back home in a total collapse situation...it would take time to get home...to arrange a way to get across the seas...you are looking at days to months of trying to make your way across by any means necessary and bartering the whole way with what ever you have on you...not a happy prospect!.

BTW...if one went down town to any city of any significance size and ask around.. you find that the general population carries no more in their wallet than some pocket change and maybe up to $5.00...maybe...most are heavily dependent on their plastic. If you go in the average home...most don't stock up and have only frozen dinners in their freezer....most don't think the way tb2kers do...so if the fecal matter hit the oscillating device....you would see nothing maybe...in the first 24 hrs...after that because they have no food.....no electricity will be available that which they do have in their house will perish in the first 48 hrs...so...knowing this...then...it will take at least 48hrs for panic to hit....I've seen examples of this during hurr. katrina as well as hurr. isabell.... However there is an up side to this...because most don't realize what that equates to if there is no electricity....they don't realize that gas pumps run on electricity....no pump.. no gas...go gas...go car to go anywhere...so to get out of the city at least it will take time for them to walk because thats what transportation they will be left with....hold on to your pants ..its gonna be a wild ride!

Harbinger
 
O2BNOK

O2BNOK

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say the doo doo hits the oscillator here in CONUS, what do you all think our military, spread ALLLL over the place would do? Try to get home to their families? Stand their posts wherever they are?
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frazbo, I asked my 21-year old son, fresh back from iraq, just this question. His reply: "I will do what my commanding officer tells me to do."

I wasn't pleased with that answer.
 
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Delta

Has No Life - Lives on TB
The very first sign of impending financial doom would be countless warnings that financial doom was upon us. When we see that, we will know that doom is soon to follow.
 
Giblin

Giblin

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Emily,
You are new here so try searching the archives for the discussions on the "power grid" esp in the Bomb Shelter. IIRC there have been 2 or 3 lengthly thought provoking ideas. But I need to get to work so in a nutshell, I think Timbo and Dragonslayer are optimistic.


It all depends on the electricity.

If the grid goes down I think it will will only be 24 hours of no TV, NET, Fast Food, ATMs to have 20 year old males looting and rioting.

IF TPTB mess with the financial / banking we may have a few hours to get the remaining $$$ out of the bank but I doubt it. It will take IMO about 3 days for SHTF of no available money or funds to trigger looting and rioting even if we have power. Most of the younger generation lives on debit cards, fast food & lattes, and don't have cash, a pantry and cook.

I know I'm a Doomer but I think it will only take 2 weeks max to end in a Mad Max world in the cities. The whole planet and institutions are too interconnected. If the power stays on there may be a way for the governments of the world to re-gain control of the masses. It will be a powerful world leader - Antichrist.

I'm sorry to be so down this early - but I'm been noodling and preparing for over a decade. If we can get through the first wave of violence and are far enough out of the cities we may be able to guard and protect a 'village.'

But I'm in CT and only 500 feet of elevation and 7 miles each way from the welfare mobs. I have plans to bug in and out but long term, at our age, I don't think my family will make it though a long term major crises.

Gib
 
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sparkky

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Delta said:
The very first sign of impending financial doom would be countless warnings that financial doom was upon us. When we see that, we will know that doom is soon to follow.
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I don't think we will get any notice or warnings from fed.org because at that point it would become a "self-fulfilling prophecy". IMHO
I expect just the opposite with fed.org telling us "everything is fine and under control. this is just a temporary downturn. go about your normal lives." again, IMHO.
 
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Emily

One Day Closer
dragonslayer2001 said:
If you want worse case, just study some history. When things go really really bad, for an extended period, mankind goes mad. christians included.
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Thank you DS. Actually, I was trying to keep the scenario to financial collapse alone. I know that nuclear or medical emergencies would be a far different matter.

I did want to correct something profound in your scenario - Just because people call themselves Christians does not make them so. And anyone who kills or does harm in the name of Christianity is a liar.

John 13:35
By this all men will know that you are my disciples, if you love one another."
Matthew 5
43"You have heard that it was said, 'Love your neighbor and hate your enemy.' 44 But I tell you: Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you,
Luke 6:27
[ Love for Enemies ] "But I tell you who hear me: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you,
1 John 2:9
Anyone who claims to be in the light but hates his brother is still in the darkness. 1 John 4:20
If anyone says, "I love God," yet hates his brother, he is a liar. For anyone who does not love his brother, whom he has seen, cannot love God, whom he has not seen.
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A Christian is someone who loves God and loves others above themselves. A Christian is someone who follows after the Lord Jesus Christ and grow more humble, and loving, and willing to give up of all they have and even their life - in the name of love.

Anyone who acts differently than that are not Christians. They are deceived human beings hijacking the name to try to mask their deviant behavior as justified and nothing could be further from the truth.

I just didn't want this thread to devolve into a 'Christian' bashing thread.
 
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Emily

One Day Closer
O2BNOK said:
frazbo, I asked my 21-year old son, fresh back from iraq, just this question. His reply: "I will do what my commanding officer tells me to do."

I wasn't pleased with that answer.
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But I think that will only go on until the kids realize that it is devolving quickly and there isn't going to be a return to normal and their families are in danger.

One thing I have learned from my own children in the military is that they will protect family when it becomes clear that they need them more than strangers do.
 
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DuckandCover

Proud Sheeple
O2BNOK said:
frazbo, I asked my 21-year old son, fresh back from iraq, just this question. His reply: "I will do what my commanding officer tells me to do."

I wasn't pleased with that answer.
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Personally, I'd say that is a danged good answer 99.9% of the time. But that's just me.
 
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EdPPCLI

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From a NonUS perspective...
I think worst case would be OPEC no longer accepting US dollars for Oil, followed quickly by an international move away from US dollars as world trade currency.
Fallout in CONUS would be the entire econmomy grinding to a halt due to lack of energy, 25%+ unemployment, rationing, GOV intervention in all aspects of the economy from transport to power generation to agriculture (think central planning and the big brother control that goes with it)
Underground barter economy will flourish but jobs in finance, IT and the service industry will perish. Domestic manufacture from everything from toothbrushes to coal fired power plants will be the norm with little in the way of expensive foreign imports for the masses.
I think the opposite to a lawless/madmax scenario will ensue especially in the cities with smg toting JBTs on every street corner (papers Kamerad?)
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Dobbin

Dobbin

Faithful Steed
I see a financial collapse promulgated by and created from an energy shortage.

I don't think James Howard Kunstler in The Long Emergency or World Made by Hand is that far off. Perhaps a bit in the speed and the severity in which such a spiral occurs, but not in it's effect.

I've Emailed the author to thank him for his insight. (he opened my eyes in several areas) and to suggest that he do a "prequel" to World Made by Hand further describing the main character's economic demise in further detail as this is only alluded to in the WMBH.

Consider the following:

We're currently at $4 a gallon for diesel and $3.50 a gallon for gasoline. Home heating oil is currently $3.75, a price without road tax. These are the "highest" prices ever recorded for these oil products corrected for inflation and includes the price run ups of the late 1970s. Most of the sheeple never thought they would see $4 a gallon petroleum in their lifetime.

World oil consumption is exceeding world oil production, and probably has been since 2005 when all this began in earnest. Now in the past, as prices rise, oil which is marginally profitable to bring to the surface and refined comes to the fore. But now it seems this cannot occur. Hence the markets rise further to find that "cut point" and make it happen.

New oil being found is mostly rumor. While there have been some reports of oil being found recently in the US Dakotas, world oil consumption will strip that clean in a year or two.

Historically, economic activity has been pinned to oil consumption. While we were in a condition where more oil could surface to meet economic need, economic activity was limited only by constraints other than oil, such as demand for consumer goods or capital investment, or in our country environmental laws. Now we are in a situation where economic activity is being limited by sources of energy. The question is as oil is depleted, will economic activity slow (recession/depression) or cease (mad max.)

You all know the scenario. The spiral downward of the dollar value in world markets is fueling a price rise in oil. This fuel price increase is turn is limiting economic activity which our esteemed dot.gov is attempting to bolster by creating more dollars. This in turn exacerbates the downward spiral of the dollar in world markets. Sounds like a positive feedback loop to me!

And the risk is that everyone sits on their hands and doesn't spend, or hire, or invest - and the whole economic house of cards comes tumbling down.

We're currently near a tipping point. A realtor friend of mine says that her house sales since November are ABSOLUTELY FLAT, first on account of a housing surplus, then on account of the sub-prime mortgage issues culminating in the Bear Sterns debacle, and now simply because of a resulting credit crunch and consequent economic downturn.

Imagine now if you will a blockade of the Straits of Hormuz? This would drive an already jittery oil market absolutely bonkers and create the perfect storm on the Amercan Economy. This is EXACTLY what the Jihadists want, and it wouldn't surprise me to see it happen in the next few weeks as the tax rebates come to be paid and a shot of adrenalin is given to the economy. Figuratively it would be a shot of adrenalin in one arm, countered by a sewing shut of the patient's mouth.

We'll see.

Best,
Joe
 
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genrim

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Delta said:
The very first sign of impending financial doom would be countless warnings that financial doom was upon us. When we see that, we will know that doom is soon to follow.
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I'm already hearing countless warnings in the MSM about impending financial doom. You do have to read between the lines a bit, but consider, for example, the demeanor and statements after the recent G7 meeting.

And how many references have we heard recently to the the Great Depression in the MSM lately - compared to a year or so ago. A LOT. For example, statements like "the last time this happened was just before the Great Depression, but of course I don't mean to imply that that we're heading into a depression - maybe just a severe recession..."
 
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Emily

One Day Closer
genrim said:
I'm already hearing countless warnings in the MSM about impending financial doom. You do have to read between the lines a bit, but consider, for example, the demeanor and statements after the recent G7 meeting.

And how many references have we heard recently to the the Great Depression in the MSM lately - compared to a year or so ago. A LOT. For example, statements like "the last time this happened was just before the Great Depression, but of course I don't mean to imply that that we're heading into a depression - maybe just a severe recession..."
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I just heard an interesting statement on the local radio:
"The current economic conditions are a bewilderment. I don't recall their being a credit crunch AND rising prices at the same time. Perhaps we need to prepare for some interesting economic times."

After hearing that and then just reading your statement here - I thought it was interesting.
 
timbo

timbo

Deceased
I lived through riotous times. I worked in riotous times. I saw it start in our major city that first night.
I saw and responded to firebombing, looting, shots fired at firemen, electrical workers and of course police as well.

It started slow about midnight. By 3AM our radio dispatcher was on the air constantly giving out major crime phone in reports. The cruisers didnt even answer the dispatcher because it would block more calls going out.

If we were within a half mile of a location, we roared to the scene. Then we would go to the next one that we heard.

We didnt have time to even write down where we went. The only time you heard an officer on the air was if they were asking for an emergency backup, the fire department or an ambulance.

They were winning.

And this was in Flint MI in 1967!

Hell, Detroit was 10 times worse if not more even!

People were being murdered there on the street. Blocks and blocks were on fire and the fire department couldnt go in because the sniper fire was too heavy.

Cops took suspects and in the end murdered them. Look up the Algiers Motel incident of Detroit in 1967! The suspects were tortured (pistol whipped) then shot in the back of the head.

The 90 days I referred to is an optimistic figure. By then there won't be food anywhere except what people hide.
Disease from the dead unburied bodies will create the secondary wave of deaths.
Rat infestation will be enormous.

This has never happened in history because there has never been such a large population of the world before.
The dark ages,etc cant compare to what will happen to us.

That old saying about the 'thin veneer of civilization' is not some catchy little phrase. It's real.

Christians will be slaughtered as athiests will be slaughtered.

Try this little test if you really want to know. Dont eat for three days. Maybe a sip of water every 2 or 3 hours. Now if you can do that, you can see how 90 days is a long long time for our population.

The military? I can understand the son saying he will obey his superior officer.

He is a unit, not an individual. Plus without the military's help, how will they get home? Once home (in port or an airport military base) how is he/she going to get to his house and family?

The military is only strong when it is a unit. Break that down to individual soldiers walking home they are as vulnerable as the rest of us. Big deal, they'll have a rifle or whatever.
 
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Emily

One Day Closer
I lived about 10 miles away from Detroit during the riots. I was too young to fully understand what was going on. But I remember my family in the kitchen talking and sounding pretty worried about it spreading.

However - that was isolated. It wasn't country wide or even statewide.
But I remember the fear in their voices all too well.
I cannot imagine at this point how back that is going to be when it hits our entire country - or maybe even the entire world.
 
timbo

timbo

Deceased
Emily it was NOT just Detroit. It was in several major cities across the USA at the same time.

Flint and Saginaw (there may have been others) are in Michigan.

I was speaking personally about Flint. I knew men that were in Detroit and they gave me first hand knowledge how bad it was.

One was a police officer that was in that precinct station and were PINNED down for 3 days with no reinforcements! Constant sniper fire. They had to crawl under the windows of the POLICE STATION!
This isnt some person here that stood in a kitchen and looked worried! I WAS THERE!


You are reading all this but somehow it just aint hitting you how bad it's going to be.

Look up some archives of the Detroit Free Press. Read the day to day incidents.

Read about the Algiers Motel incident where police murdered people!
 
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Usually Curious

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The very first sign of impending financial doom would be countless warnings that financial doom was upon us. When we see that, we will know that doom is soon to follow.
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I don't think we will get any notice or warnings from fed.org because at that point it would become a "self-fulfilling prophecy". IMHO
I expect just the opposite with fed.org telling us "everything is fine and under control. this is just a temporary downturn. go about your normal lives." again, IMHO.
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You mean like right now? We have the mainstream media and the fed telling us we're in a temporary downturn at the same time individuals are blasting the warning from the roof top.
 
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dragonslayer2001

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Emily's

scenario, unless I read it wrong, was based on the worst case financial collapse over the course of a couple of days and weeks.


I just don't believe the world is going to collapse and mass death and disease break out all over this country.

I did specifically state some people would go nuts, panic, fight and even kill.

I did specifically state that inner city/ghetto places would be the worst, because they are always the worst. Those people are very violent. But if they try to spread out past the ghettos I think they are going to find that the rest of us have just about had enough after 10 decades of watching them go nuts.


Under Emilie's scenario, no money available, mass death and Mad Max will not break out in most areas of the country. Not in a couple of weeks.

Most people base their actions on precieved future cost.

I also think that if violence does start spreading, and enough cops and .mil aren't around, governors and mayors will call out the "local" militia, and a sizable part of the male population will respond, grab their gun, and man some lines.

Mind you, as I said, I am not basing what I am saying on a larger issue such as nuke war, a giant CME collapsing the grid, or a fast spreading man killing disease such as the old Black Death.

That is a different scenario.
 
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dragonslayer2001

Inactive
Timbo

it was sitting in a favorite aunt's house, late at night, blacks rioting in MPLS about 12 blocks away, when I became an armed prepper.


They were all worried, my aunt and my older male cousins, her sons, and her daughter, because they didn't have the .22. It was out at the summer cabin.

While I listened to all the fretting going on my young mind made up it's mind that I would never be unarmed when I became an adult.

If any crap like that happened, you are sure going to wish you had some effective firepower.
 
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Emily

One Day Closer
dragonslayer2001 said:
scenario, unless I read it wrong, was based on the worst case financial collapse over the course of a couple of days and weeks.


I just don't believe the world is going to collapse and mass death and disease break out all over this country.

I did specifically state some people would go nuts, panic, fight and even kill.

I did specifically state that inner city/ghetto places would be the worst, because they are always the worst. Those people are very violent. But if they try to spread out past the ghettos I think they are going to find that the rest of us have just about had enough after 10 decades of watching them go nuts.


Under Emilie's scenario, no money available, mass death and Mad Max will not break out in most areas of the country. Not in a couple of weeks.

Most people base their actions on precieved future cost.

I also think that if violence does start spreading, and enough cops and .mil aren't around, governors and mayors will call out the "local" militia, and a sizable part of the male population will respond, grab their gun, and man some lines.

Mind you, as I said, I am not basing what I am saying on a larger issue such as nuke war, a giant CME collapsing the grid, or a fast spreading man killing disease such as the old Black Death.

That is a different scenario.
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I was simply responding the way your post began:
baring nuclear war, the next closest thing to the ultimate worst case would be a seriously non stopable disease. Go read all this article and you will get a glimmer of some idea, though you really need first person accounts to understand the horrors of some situations.
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So that is what I was prefacing my response to you.

Thank you for your clarification. I guess I must have misunderstood your point.
 
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Dozdoats

Deceased
Originally Posted by O2BNOK
frazbo, I asked my 21-year old son, fresh back from iraq, just this question. His reply: "I will do what my commanding officer tells me to do."

I wasn't pleased with that answer.


Personally, I'd say that is a danged good answer 99.9% of the time. But that's just me.

D&C,

How would you like it if the orders were to go to your house and confiscate your guns, or your preps? Chances are that's the kind of orders troops deployed in CONUS will be getting early along. And not all the troops deployed in CONUS will be American, either.

Or is that the .1% you left wiggle room for?

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