Bee Plague Worsening, Anxious Keepers say

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Bee plague worsening, anxious keepers say

By SUSAN SALISBURY
Palm Beach Post Staff Writer
Monday, March 24, 2008

It's been 16 months since Dave Hackenberg of Dade City became the first beekeeper in the country to say publicly that something was terribly wrong with his insects.
In the intervening time following the identification of the malady now known as Colony Collapse Disorder, things haven't gotten any better for the nation's bees, which pollinate about one-third of U.S. crops — some $15 billion worth.

In fact, things have gotten much worse. Their numbers are continuing to dwindle from the disorder.

A survey of 22 apiarists from 10 states who took their bees to California to help get out the almond crop estimates about 37 percent of the 230,500 colonies managed by those beekeepers have been lost, said Jeff Pettis, a research entomologist at the U.S. Department of Agriculture's bee research lab in Beltsville, Md. A year ago, a similar survey put bee losses at just 30 percent.

"There is a significant crisis going on here," Dave Mendes, a beekeeper based in Fort Myers and Dartmouth, Mass., said last week from California. Hackenberg — who also keeps bees in Lewisburg, Pa., and was one of 30 Florida beekeepers to cart their critters to California — said Colony Collapse Disorder hit some of his compatriots hard.
"It was like a train wreck," he said. "There were a lot of beekeepers who had severe losses, people that had never seen this happen before."

Now the crisis — in which seemingly healthy adult worker bees suddenly abandon their hives, never to return — appears to be reaching the ears of federal officials.
Last week, U.S. Sen. Barbara Boxer, D-Calif., led a bipartisan group of senators in calling on the Senate Agriculture Appropriations Committee to set aside $20 million for research into the problem of the disappearing bees. Boxer's letter was designed to speed the funding process, spokesman Nathan Britton said.

The bill, which has been passed by the Senate but has stalled in the House, contains $100 million for a five-year study of the disorder. In addition, Sen. Max Baucus, D-Mont., is leading a push to get the USDA to increase its efforts to identify the cause and remedy for the disorder and to put more dollars into research. Signatures are still being collected for a letter that will be sent to the USDA, Baucus spokeswoman Sara Kuban said.

Although the USDA issued a Colony Collapse Disorder research action plan in July, Baucus' letter expresses concern about how the program is being implemented.
"We are concerned that USDA has not adequately funded critical work as outlined by the CCD Action Plan to identify the cause of CCD," the letter said. "This is disturbing, and is not indicative of the high priority that eradicating CCD must have within the department." Baucus is seeking a detailed response from the USDA about past and future funding for projects concerning the disorder and honeybee health.

Kevin Hackett, national program leader for research on bees and pollination at the Agricultural Research Service, said this fiscal year's budget for honeybee research is $7.7 million, with 80 percent of that going to studying the disorder. "We are trying to implement all the corrective measures we can to make the bees as healthy as they can be coming out of the winter," Hackett said Friday. "We do believe bees are under so many stresses, they are not making it through the winter in a robust condition."

Among the possible culprits are varroa mites, which kill bees and transmit viruses.
Pesticides and insecticides, as well as the chemicals used to control the varroa mites, are being scrutinized to see if they are causing the problem. Migratory stress from being moved long distances also plays a role, Hackett said. But Hackett said that "moving beehives" isn't the only thing hurting the insects. "It is something else. It is a perfect storm, if you want to call it that," he said. "Anything that weakens or ages them will contribute, we believe, to CCD."

In the meantime, beekeepers wonder how much more their industry can take.
Although this season's almond pollination was blessed with perfect weather and went well, hard-pressed beekeepers have nevertheless had to raise their pollination rates.
That could eventually affect food prices, said Jerry Hayes, chief of apiary inspection with the Florida Department of Agriculture.

"If the consumer doesn't care about where food comes from, if they think that food comes from Publix, then maybe we are all wasting our time," he said. "The USDA projection is that 40 percent of our vegetables will be from China by 2012."

He also said Africanized, or "killer," bees might be imported from Mexico under the North American Free Trade Agreement if almond growers and others can't find enough here. It now takes half the nation's bees to pollinate California's almonds, Hackett said.
Hackenberg, the Dade City beekeeper, said he'd like to see the USDA declare an emergency so research could be given the muscle it needs.

"If it was cows or chickens dying, we would have people standing in line to fix the problem," he said. Hackett said his department takes the disorder "very seriously," and is working hard to get things moving. "We are trying to get the results out as fast as we can and speed projects up as fast as we can," he said. "American agriculture depends on the bees."

http://www.palmbeachpost.com/business/content/business/epaper/2008/03/24/m1a_bees_0324.html
 

LilRose8

Veteran Member
I believe it will turn out to be environmental poisons and genetically altered seed that is killing them. With the bees goes a huge part of our food supplies....ever wonder why the wheat failures are right on the heels of the colony collapses? What will be next?
MONSANTO is the devil as far as I am concerned. They have destroyed our ecology and ultimately will change and destroy much life on our fragile planet.
 

dissimulo

Membership Revoked
There are a lot of reasons to believe that the cause is not GMO related. Unfortunately, it is always easier to determine what is not causing disease, rather than what is causing it.

Among the lines of evidence that suggest colony collapse is not GMO related:

* Colony collapse has happened repeatedly throughout the history of beekeeping. It is well documented since the 1800s.

* "Organically" raised bees (meaning, not "factory farmed" bees) do not seem to manifest colony collapse, even when they live in proximity to GMO crops.

* Feral bees do not seem to manifest colony collapse, even when they live in proximity to GMO crops.

* Colony collapse seems to be most pronounced among beekeepers who move their hives long distances.

* Colony collapse exists even in countries that have very little in the way of GM crops.

* Colony collapse is rarely reported by small-cell beekeepers (and small cell is thought to reduce parasite problems).

* Africanized bees don't seem to experience colonly collapse.

In addition, many of the specific mechanisms suggested by those who theorize that GM crops cause CCD have not been reproducible in studies. For example, bees do not seem to react to sterile pollen any differently than viable pollen.

So, nobody knows what the cause is yet. GM crops may contribute in some unknown way, but it is very doubtful they are the main cause.

If this bout of CCD does not disappear the way previous bouts have, the answer will probably be found by comparing feral bees to kept bees, since the feral bees seem to be doing fine. The evidence we know about seems to point in the direction of stress on the hives due to movement, but there is a question about why that stress would suddenly become deadly after years of moving hives in the same way.

For more information, the Wikipedia page on this subject is actually pretty good:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colony_Collapse_Disorder
 

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Honeybee Deaths Increase

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SAN FRANCISCO (AP) — A survey of bee health released Tuesday revealed a grim picture, with 36.1 percent of the nation's commercially managed hives lost since last year.

Last year's survey commissioned by the Apiary Inspectors of America found losses of about 32 percent.

As beekeepers travel with their hives this spring to pollinate crops around the country, it's clear the insects are buckling under the weight of new diseases, pesticide drift and old enemies like the parasitic varroa mite, said Dennis vanEngelsdorp, president of the group.

This is the second year the association has measured colony deaths across the country. This means there aren't enough numbers to show a trend, but clearly bees are dying at unsustainable levels and the situation is not improving, said vanEngelsdorp, also a bee expert with the Pennsylvania Department of Agriculture.

“For two years in a row, we've sustained a substantial loss,” he said. “That's an astonishing number. Imagine if one out of every three cows, or one out of every three chickens, were dying. That would raise a lot of alarm.”

The survey included 327 operators who account for 19 percent of the country's approximately 2.44 million commercially managed bee hives. The data is being prepared for submission to a journal.

About 29 percent of the deaths were due to Colony Collapse Disorder, a mysterious disease that causes adult bees to abandon their hives. Beekeepers who saw CCD in their hives were much more likely to have major losses than those who didn't.

“What's frightening about CCD is that it's not predictable or understood,” vanEngelsdorp said.

On Tuesday, Pennsylvania's Agriculture Secretary Dennis Wolff announced that the state would pour an additional $20,400 into research at Pennsylvania State University looking for the causes of CCD. This raises emergency funds dedicated to investigating the disease to $86,000.

The issue also has attracted federal grants and funding from companies that depend on honey bees, including ice-cream maker Haagen-Dazs.

Because the berries, fruits and nuts that give about 28 of Haagen-Daazs' varieties flavor depend on honey bees for pollination, the company is donating up to $250,000 to CCD and sustainable pollination research at Penn State and the University of California, Davis.
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gdpetti

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Global scourge clips wings of Lebanon's beekeepers
Crucial links in food chain are dying in record numbers

By Esther Krenz Muller
Special to The Daily Star
Tuesday, June 03, 2008

Global scourge clips wings of Lebanon's beekeepers

BEIRUT: Many people think of bees as just another flying pest, but they are essential to modern civilization's ability to feed itself - and they are dying in unsettling numbers.

"Since 2005, Lebanon's estimated 10,000 beekeepers have lost roughly one quarter of their 4 billion bees," Wadih Yazbek, manager of Yazbek Honey Est., told The Daily Star.

Billions more are disappearing all over the world, and researchers are scrambling to find answers. American beekeepers have been hardest hit, with one fourth reporting losses between 50 and 90 percent.

Honeybees, known for their famous figure-eight dance that conveys the location of food to other bees, have been sweetening our lives for thousands of years. Bees are intelligent, social insects used commercially to pollinate 100 major crops worldwide - that adds up to one third of humanity's food supply, according to the US Department of Agriculture.

Since bees are one of humanity's prime crop pollinators, they are an essential part of the world's natural and agricultural ecosystems. These stinger-armed insects play an integral role by carrying pollen from male to female parts of flowers.

The bee deaths are a serious threat to cultivating flowering fruits and vegetables like squash, apples, kiwis, cucumbers, melons, avocados, kiwis, grapes, lettuce, onions, strawberries, wild flora and lavender to name a few. As Einstein once opined: "If the bee disappeared off the surface of the globe, man would only have four years to live."

Since 2006 baffled researchers have come up with a term for the mysterious phenomenon - Colony Collapse Disorder (CCD). In CCD-stricken hives, the entire adult population of worker bees (with the exception of the queen) flies off in search of pollen and mysteriously never returns to the hive. The bees aren't emigrating - they simply cannot find their way home due to disorientation and eventually succumb to exhaustion and cold, according to beekeepers and scientists worldwide.

Taking the sting out of the issue won't be easy. Investigators are looking at an array of theories that may explain CCD as most agree multiple factors are to blame. The most likely causes to date are mites, pesticides, viruses, fungus, and cell phones.

Many experts believe that most CCD deaths can be linked to external parasitic mites - in particular the Asian mite known as Varroa destructor or vampire mite. This tiny circular bug, the size of a pinhead, resembles an eight-legged crab, and is the bees' natural predator. The dark brown Varroa mite is visible to the naked eye and can only reproduce by feeding on a honey bee colony.

"I've seen a lot of cases thought of as certain new diseases in Lebanon, but inspections showed the symptoms to be the result of Varroa infestation, the major challenge to Lebanese beekeeping," said Rami Ollaik, professor at AUB's Faculty of Agriculture and Food Sciences.

Like a tic, the mite feeds on the body of the bee by sucking out the blood, known as hymolymph in insects. Simultaneously bees are infected with lethal viruses, like the most common Israeli Acute Paralysis Virus (IAPV) and Deformed Wing Virus (DWV). Symptoms are shivering wing syndrome, paralysis, deformed appendages and ultimately, death.

Researchers at Pennsylvania State University in the US believe that the damage inflicted by the mites severely weakens the bees' immune system. Bee specialist Dennis Van Engelsdrop, who works with the state of Pennsylvania, argues that the "strong immune suppression observed by investigators could be the AIDS of the bee industry." It makes bees vulnerable to disease and viruses like the problematic single-celled "fungus" Nosema ceranea.

Dany Obeid of the Lebanese non-governmental organization Programme Environnement DEHO Arcenciel, an insect specialist and beekeeper himself, argues that "most of the problems are caused by the beekeepers themselves because they keep using the same pesticide, which results in resistance."

Experts are hustling to come up with organic, eco-friendly mite repellents in order to save the bees. Many apiarists - scientists who study bees - in Lebanon and other countries have found success with bee feed mixtures made from spicy spearmint oil, sugar, lemongrass and formic acid (an acidic mixture made from distilled dead ants). When mites try to suck the blood of the bees, they are repelled by the spearmint or acid.

Particularly resourceful beekeepers are even adding grease to this organic, sugary concoction. Bees coat themselves with the oily protective layer as they eat, making it more difficult for the mites to latch on.

There is also some evidence that air pollution and radiation from cellular phones may interfere with bees' innate and complex navigational abilities. This interference may disorient and confuse the bees, preventing them from finding their way back to the hive.

"The honeybee is a very clean and sensitive insect, closely in touch with its environment and nature," AUB's Ollaik explained. "Therefore, electronic signals and air pollution must be linked to CCD."

Not everyone is convinced. Yazbek considers the theory a "long shot," and Nizar Haddad, director of the Bee Research Unit at Jordan's National Center for Agricultural Research, argued that "there is no relation between mobile phones and CCD."

According to Yazbek, the biggest challenge to the Lebanese bee industry is a lack of government guidance.

"We need training in modern beekeeping techniques, government honey standards, and modern laboratories to test honey," he told The Daily Star. "The sad reality is, the only government support and assistance our beekeepers receive is an insufficient quantity of high-quality anti-Varroa mite pesticide, and a custom tariff of LL8,000 per kilogram on imported honey that won't hold forever due to [World Trade Organization] restrictions.

"The trouble with the pesticide assistance is some beekeepers do not get enough, while others get more than their fair share," he added. "Furthermore, the aid is frequently distributed during the wrong season."

Ollaik cited "lack of proper pest management, high production costs, poor marketability, and poor breeding programs that rely on imported queens and bees" as the major problems facing the Lebanese bee industry.

"Regrettably, no comprehensive government or university studies are under way to investigate the causes of local bee deaths," he said. "AUB organized the first national beekeeping conference in 2001 to launch a seven-year strategic plan in the hopes of developing the sector. Unfortunately, politics paralyzed all initiatives."

Now, he said, "our student research teams are doing their best to catapult the industry from traditional to innovative practices."
fair use http://www.dailystar.com.lb/
 

Karnie

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I am not discounting colony collapse - but I moved to a farm in December and I have lots of clover. LOTS of it. I've been pleasantly surprised how many honey bees I see everytime I walk out the back door. I don't know if someone nearby has hives or if these are wild bees - but there are quite a few of them
 

gdpetti

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Clover, like alfalfa, is part of the same family of plants that regenerate the soils and is most likely more 'attractive' to Mother Nature and all her 'critters' big and small... 'like attracts like' especially in these 'changing' times.... or at least that's my guess.
 

dissimulo

Membership Revoked
There is another thing too look out for when you read these CCD articles.

It is normal to lose bees every winter. Depending on location, weather, stress, disease, etc, you might lose 20% or more.

This is usually not a big deal. Each spring, when the hives start to grow again, you just split them and you have two hives again. You might be able to split a strong hive three times during the season - making four hives from one.

So, when you read that a beekeeper has lost 30% of his hives over one winter, it is pretty likely he filled them all up again in the spring by doing splits.

I keep seeing logic in these articles to the effect of: "If they lost 30% of hives in 2006 and 30% in 2007, 60% of the bees are gone." You can see this is not likely to be the case. They probably lost 30% in 2006 and then got them all back, then lost 30% in 2007 and got them all back.

It is only a disaster if a keeper loses them all. Then he has nothing to start over with and has to buy new bees.

I had two hives at the beginning of the season and now have five from doing splits this year.
 

gdpetti

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For update purposes.. this time in Japan.. fair use http://www.sott.net/articles/show/1...-Japan-Up-to-Fifty-Percent-of-Honeybees-Gone-

Honeybee Collapse Strikes Japan, Up to Fifty Percent of Honeybees Gone...

David Gutierrez
Natural News
Tue, 28 Apr 2009 13:00 UTC

For the first time, Japan has been hit with a large-scale collapse of honeybee populations like that experienced in other countries around the world.

"There have been small-scale honeybee losses for many years, but a massive collapse like they had in the U.S. is very unusual," said Kiyoshi Kimura of the National Institute of Livestock and Grassland Science. "We must investigate the situation in Japan."

The phenomenon known as colony collapse disorder, in which large numbers of worker bees simply vanish, was first identified in the United States in 2006. Since then, it has also been reported across Europe and, most recently, in Taiwan.

In Japan, the Japanese Beekeeping Association undertook a survey of its 2,500 members and determined that 25 percent of all beekeepers had "experienced sudden losses of honeybees" on some scale.

"The number of beekeepers to lose large numbers of bees was more than we expected," Kimura said.

Although most honey in Japan is imported, honeybees play a critical role in the pollination of a wide variety of fruit and vegetable crops in the country. According to Osamu Mamuro, owner of a company that supplies beehives to farmers for pollination purposes, populations of the insects have dropped so drastically that he expects to have to cut his deliveries by more than 50 percent this year.

"If this keeps up," he said, "it'll be the end of my business."

A wide scale collapse of bee populations might also mean local food shortages. At the very least, it would probably mean rising prices as farmers turn to hand pollination and retailers turn to importation to make up for lessened domestic production.

"From now on," said the Ministry of Agriculture, Forestry and Fisheries, "it is possible that it will be increasingly difficult to secure honeybees for the purposes of pollinating eggplant, melon, watermelon and other produce plants."
 

Rex Jackson

Has No Life - Lives on TB
ITS THE CHEMTRAILS. Ill bet they are killing off the honey bees.

Less honey bees means less food in many sectors. Less food, less people.

FRUITS - VEGETABLES
Many fruits that need pollination depend on the honey bee.

COWS
Clover - cows need clover for milk! No milk less cows... or weakened cows

LESS OR NO COWS - LESS OR NOW DAIRY PRODUCTS
Milk, cheese, creams, more

LESS OR NO COWS - LESS OR NO BEEF
Beef, burgers, steaks, hot dogs, etc.

Even if the chemtrails are not intentionally killing bees, it should be looked into asap. Its the only think that makes sense to me.
 

Mr. Dot

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Reborn's first post is a story dated: Monday, March 24, 2008

Recent reports I'm hearing seems to indicate we are likely emerging from the worst of it.
 

Karnie

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NE OK Bee Keepers meeting two weeks ago: I attended for the first time, and I asked as many beekeepers as I could what their experience has been. Learned that one guy there has had significant problems - interestingly, the only commercial bee keeper and the only one who has regularly hauled his bees to CA.

What several people told me...

*mono-cropping (acre after acre after acre - often mile after mile) of the same crop is VERY bad for bees

*bees are as dependent upon a healthy diverse diet as we are... and if all you eat is cornflakes and skim milk, you're not going to be around very long either

* the key to having healthy, happy bees that produce lots of honey is to have plants for nectar and plants for pollen - and have plants that bloom early, mid-season, late season - etc. Again - diversity is critical!

So we have been inundated with stories like those at the top of this thread with a lack of emphasis on:

*[FONT=Verdana,Arial]A survey of 22 apiarists from 10 states who took their bees to California to help get out the almond crop estimates about 37 percent of the 230,500 colonies managed by those beekeepers have been lost

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* [FONT=Verdana,Arial]Osamu Mamuro, owner of a company that supplies beehives to farmers for pollination purposes[/FONT]

And we are all surprised that bees don't do well in man-made situations. How about going back to how GOD designed bees to live and seeing if that solves the problem.... but that's not good for commercial agriculture.

<insert heavy sigh here>
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Jackpine Savage

Veteran Member
COWS
Clover - cows need clover for milk! No milk less cows... or weakened cows

LESS OR NO COWS - LESS OR NOW DAIRY PRODUCTS
Milk, cheese, creams, more

LESS OR NO COWS - LESS OR NO BEEF
Beef, burgers, steaks, hot dogs, etc.

Wow, I wish I had known that when I was milking cows. I'm going to go out and buy a bunch of milk right now!
 

Karnie

Inactive
NE OK Bee Keepers meeting two weeks ago: I attended for the first time, and I asked as many beekeepers as I could what their experience has been. Learned that one guy there has had significant problems - interestingly, the only commercial bee keeper and the only one who has regularly hauled his bees to CA.

What several people told me...

*mono-cropping (acre after acre after acre - often mile after mile) of the same crop is VERY bad for bees

*bees are as dependent upon a healthy diverse diet as we are... and if all you eat is cornflakes and skim milk, you're not going to be around very long either

* the key to having healthy, happy bees that produce lots of honey is to have plants for nectar and plants for pollen - and have plants that bloom early, mid-season, late season - etc. Again - diversity is critical!

So we have been inundated with stories like those at the top of this thread with a lack of emphasis on:

*[FONT=Verdana,Arial]A survey of 22 apiarists from 10 states who took their bees to California to help get out the almond crop estimates about 37 percent of the 230,500 colonies managed by those beekeepers have been lost

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[FONT=Verdana,Arial]A survey of bee health released Tuesday revealed a grim picture, with 36.1 percent of the nation's commercially managed hives lost since last year.[/FONT]

* [FONT=Verdana,Arial]Osamu Mamuro, owner of a company that supplies beehives to farmers for pollination purposes[/FONT]

And we are all surprised that bees don't do well in man-made situations. How about going back to how GOD designed bees to live and seeing if that solves the problem.... but that's not good for commercial agriculture.

<insert heavy sigh here>
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NC Susan

Deceased
fair use http://www.earthfiles.com/
Linda has a similiar update on the West Coast bee colonies at her site today.

Honey Bee Collapse Now Worse on West Coast


AIR POLLUTION> ??? and Chemtrails!

Its a sin, that you can see what you breathe!

eta: Thanks for the Reminder Karnie: Bees need variety just as humans and animals. No such one pill monoFrankenFood will ever sustain a healthy population.
 

saveamerica

Veteran Member
ITS THE CHEMTRAILS. Ill bet they are killing off the honey bees.
that would also be my first suspicion, except that organic bee keepers reports no ccd at all. from what i read, its like ccd is nonexistent among them.

has anyone heard anything to contradict this?
 

dissimulo

Membership Revoked
that would also be my first suspicion, except that organic bee keepers reports no ccd at all. from what i read, its like ccd is nonexistent among them.

has anyone heard anything to contradict this?

So few commercial-scale beekeepers are organic, it is pretty hard to make a determination. It looks like small beekeepers report very little CCD, but stats are harder to come by.
 

gdpetti

Inactive
Karnie had a very good point in the diversity issue... as this problem is showing up across the board in various species in various countries... essentially showing that the real problem is us/humans... in that our style of cropping/manufacturing etc is the problem and now we are seeing the result... it just takes some time for the feedback. A systemic issue of mass production without any attempt to 'fit in' with the local cycles of nature etc.

Seems just another nail in the coffin we have crafted for ourselves... perhaps with a nudge from some 'outsiders' or the PTB. When this transition to 4d occurs though, those that transition with the planet won't need cows, milk, beef etc... as the body will be different... clean air will be needed though and if all the systemic issues die off, then that won't be a problem. Just a thought.
 

Flippper

Time Traveler
Thanks for your information Diss, the small beekeepers I've spoken with said they hadn't had any unusual die off of their hives, which dovetails with what you said.

Interesting thread.
 

night driver

ESFP adrift in INTJ sea
A friend of mine who, it turns out, is a beekeeper, has done a LOT of research on this (as well as africanized bees) and says that HIS research as well as some research done in his international circle of friends STRONGLY suggests that we didn't have as prevalent CCD before we opened up our bee stock to Australian Bees. APPARENTLY this is something that the Aussies have been dealing with for a while....

My friend ALSO notes that he has had some serious issues with Africanized bees in Lorain County (Northern Ohio), which is something we haven't been told a lot about in the press. The GOOD thing is that they aren't overwintering here, yet. He drove by the hive on his mower one day last summer and they WHOLE HIVE chased him 200 yards back to his door and into his house....He had to kill that hive and replace it, queen and all...
 

willowlady

Veteran Member
We are hobby beeks, and

we opened the hives yesterday really thoroughly for the first time this year. We were tardy in putting on the supers because of too much bad weather. In any event, our hives were doing great! We don't tote them anywhere, we mess with them as little as possible, and we're going organic in letting them develop their own resistance to mites, etc. We did see some queen cells in the upper brood chambers, which means the worker bees are looking to re-queen themselves. We only started last year, and our real purpose is to help overcome CCD and other problems by keeping the bees as natural and unstressed as possible. The honey we get is a side-bene, not the main thing. I did a good deal of research into this whole subject before we started and there's a couple of issues that few people are looking at.

(1) The Langstrom hives, which are the boxes with frames pre-spaced, are just about all that is available, and in many states they are the only legal hives to sell. Those same hives are designed for one purpose: Honey production. In managing those hives, you move things around to maximize production, feed the bees sugar syrup, use medications regularly, and so on, which IMO stresses the bees and removes them from their natural cycles. You re-queen every year or so (and the queens are from very limited breeding lines), and never allow swarming, in optimum management. I remember reading somewhere that, when those hives first came into dominance, some scientist stated way back in the early 1900's that within 75-100 years there would be a complete collapse of the domestic bee population because of these practices, i.e., limited diversity, stressing hives, etc. He was right on the money.

(2) The Warre hive, of which we have one as an experiment, is designed for the production of healthy bees, not the maximizing of honey. They make their own brood chambers according to their own spacing imperatives, you never put used wax back into the hive, you don't feed them except to get them started, you only open the hive twice a year, and you don't medicate them in any way. They are pretty much au naturale. You will not get quite as much honey from these hives, but the difference is negligible for small beeks. This type of hive is beginning to make inroads, but only with small beekeepers at this point.

When we opened our first two hives yesterday, they were absolutely stuffed with healthy, mite free bees, brood, larva, and tons of honey everywhere. We noticed in our servicing of the hives that this year, unlike last year, when we messed with them, they just moved over and moved on, they never once hissed at us, as they did repeatedly last year, their first year. So perhaps our opening them late to put the supers on was a good thing, since they were clearly pre-occupied with bee business and didn't see us as any kind of threat. We have been very careful in feeding our bees this year, since we learned that beet sugar is grown with Monsanto pesticides GMed in the plant. We use only cane sugar now. We use no pesticides of any kind anywhere on our little suburban plot of land, and after reading about Roundup and birth defects, we'll be not using that stuff as well.

So, IMHO, the whole CCD is pretty much man-made, one way or another, as are many other problems in our present day world. Our contention and hope is that if we allow the bees to do their own thing, we'll still benefit, and they'll be healthy and strong. As our general societal collapse continues, sooner or later agricultural enterprises will recognize that if they have large crops that require pollination, they need to keep bees nearby and not use pesticides and herbicides. The agricorps might actually have to create a JOB of having someone manage their hives.

Time will tell.
 

dissimulo

Membership Revoked
Willowlady,

There is nothing necessarily wrong with the Langstroth hive. Having removed a lot of feral hives, I can tell you they are arranged in essentially the same way. It is the management that is unnatural, more than the hive design.

You can let the bees draw natural comb in a Langstroth hive, just by giving them a starter strip in the frame. This allows them to draw a natural cell size, although they do sometimes draw crooked comb, which is damaged when you remove frames. My bees are all on foundationless frames - natural comb, although more because I am cheap than because I have seen a significant difference in results.

Plus, there is really no absolule reason for a small beekeeper to requeen, well, ever. I don't requeen unless I find a hive queenless. Otherwise, I let them raise their own queens and most of my bees are from feral stock, so genetic diversity is probably pretty good. When queens get old and laying drops, I just make sure there are some fresh eggs in the hive and remove the old queen. That does result in a gap of a couple weeks before a new queen is raised, but for a small beekeeper, the difference in production doesn't really matter.

If you have been late opening the hives and they are packed with bees, keep in mind they may be getting ready to swarm. (They would probably swarm anyway, as that is normal, but a packed hive starts preparing earlier in the season.)
 

willowlady

Veteran Member
Agree!

THANKS FOR YOUR INPUT. KIND OF CONFIRMS A BIT OF WHAT WE'VE BEEN THINKING AND DOING.

Willowlady,

There is nothing necessarily wrong with the Langstroth hive. Having removed a lot of feral hives, I can tell you they are arranged in essentially the same way. It is the management that is unnatural, more than the hive design.

You can let the bees draw natural comb in a Langstroth hive, just by giving them a starter strip in the frame. [THIS IS WHAT WE ARE DOING WITH OUR "EXPERIMENTAL" WARRE-STYLE HIVE. AND THEY ARE DOING IT, TOO!] This allows them to draw a natural cell size, although they do sometimes draw crooked comb, which is damaged when you remove frames. [WE WON'T BE REMOVING BROOD CHAMBER FRAMES, ONLY SUPERS, WHICH WE WILL USE ENTIRELY, SO IT DOESN'T MATTER IF THEY ARE CROOKED.] My bees are all on foundationless frames - natural comb, although more because I am cheap than because I have seen a significant difference in results. [IF THE WARRE-STYLE HIVE DOES WELL, WE MAY CONVERT ALL HIVES TO FOUNDATIONLESS FRAMES NEXT YEAR.]

Plus, there is really no absolule reason for a small beekeeper to requeen, well, ever. I don't requeen unless I find a hive queenless. Otherwise, I let them raise their own queens and most of my bees are from feral stock, so genetic diversity is probably pretty good. [I LEARNED THAT LESSON THE HARD WAY. LAST YEAR I SAW QUEEN CELLS IN MY NEARLY NEW HIVE. I DESTROYED THEM. BIG MISTAKE. WE HAD EVIDENTLY LOST THE QUEEN WHEN WE WERE WORKING, OR OVERWORKING, THE HIVE. THE BEES WERE DOING THEIR BEST TO RE-QUEEN, AND I BOLLOXED THAT. HAD TO ORDER A REPLACEMENT QUEEN, SO THAT HIVE WAS LATE DEVELOPING.] When queens get old and laying drops, I just make sure there are some fresh eggs in the hive and remove the old queen. That does result in a gap of a couple weeks before a new queen is raised, but for a small beekeeper, the difference in production doesn't really matter.

If you have been late opening the hives and they are packed with bees, keep in mind they may be getting ready to swarm. (They would probably swarm anyway, as that is normal, but a packed hive starts preparing earlier in the season.)

I'M NOT TOO WORRIED ABOUT SWARMING NOW, SINCE WE HAVE INSTALLED SUPERS AND THE SUPERCEDURE CELLS WE SAW WERE FAR UP IN THE HIVE. BUT IF THEY SWARM, THEY DO. WE'LL DEAL WITH IT THEN. SO FAR, NO BEARDING OR PRE-SWARM BEHAVIOR. IF THEY RE-QUEEN THEMSELVES, THAT'S FINE WITH ME. LIKE YOU SAID, IT'S THRIFTY, AND PROBABLY IMPROVES THE CHANCES FOR GENETIC DIVERSITY. IF THEY DO SWARM, I GUESS WE'LL PUT THEM IN OUR SPARE BROOD CHAMBER, IF WE CAN CATCH THEM. WE'RE STILL PRETTY NEW AT THIS.
 
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gdpetti

Inactive
I think the closing statement on the cause being a collection of things is probably correct, same as pollution in our air, food, medicine, workplace etc. The problem is everywhere.

Fair use http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/wi...sponsible-for-disappearance-of-honey-bee.html

Mobile phones responsible for disappearance of honey bee

The growing use of mobile telephones is behind the disappearance of honey bees and the collapse of their hives, scientists have claimed.

Dean Nelson in New Delhi
Published: 8:00AM BST 29 May 2010

Their disappearance has caused alarm throughout Europe and North America where campaigners have blamed agricultural pesticides, climate change and the advent of genetically modified crops for what is now known as 'colony collapse disorder.' Britain has seen a 15 per cent decline in its bee population in the last two years and shrinking numbers has led to a rise in thefts of hives.

Now researchers from Chandigarh's Punjab University claim they have found the cause which could be the first step in reversing the decline: They have established that radiation from mobile telephones is a key factor in the phenomenon and say that it probably interfering with the bee's navigation senses.

They set up a controlled experiment in Punjab earlier this year comparing the behaviour and productivity of bees in two hives – one fitted with two mobile telephones which were powered on for two fifteen minute sessions per day for three months. The other had dummy models installed.

After three months the researchers recorded a dramatic decline in the size of the hive fitted with the mobile phon, a significant reduction in the number of eggs laid by the queen bee. The bees also stopped producing honey.

The queen bee in the "mobile" hive produced fewer than half of those created by her counterpart in the normal hive.

They also found a dramatic decline in the number of worker bees returning to the hive after collecting pollen. Because of this the amount of nectar produced in the hive also shrank.

Ved Prakash Sharma and Neelima Kumar, the authors of the report in the journal Current Science, wrote: "Increase in the usage of electronic gadgets has led to electropollution of the environment. Honeybee behaviour and biology has been affected by electrosmog since these insects have magnetite in their bodies which helps them in navigation.

"There are reports of sudden disappearance of bee populations from honeybee colonies. The reason is still not clear. We have compared the performance of honeybees in cellphone radiation exposed and unexposed colonies.

"A significant decline in colony strength and in the egg laying rate of the queen was observed. The behaviour of exposed foragers was negatively influenced by the exposure, there was neither honey nor pollen in the colony at the end of the experiment."

Tim Lovett, of the British Beekeepers Association, said that hives have been successful in London where there was high mobile phone use.

"Previous work in this area has indicated this [mobile phone use] is not a real factor," he said. "If new data comes along we will look at it."

He said: "At the moment we think is more likely to be a combination of factors including disease, pesticides and habitat loss."

The UK Government has set aside £10 million for research into the decline of pollinators like bees, but the BBKA claim much more money is needed for research into the problem, including studies on pesticides, disease and new technology like mobile phones.

According to the University of Durham, England's bees are vanishing faster than anywhere else in Europe, with more than half of hives dying out over the last 20 years.

The most recent statistics from last winter show that the decline in honey bees in Britain is slowing, with just one in six hives lost.

This is still above the natural rate of ten per cent losses, but a vast improvement on previous years.

There has been an increase in the number of thefts of hives across the world and in Germany beekeepers have started fitting GPS tracking devices to their hives.

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packyderms_wife

Neither here nor there.
There are a lot of reasons to believe that the cause is not GMO related. Unfortunately, it is always easier to determine what is not causing disease, rather than what is causing it.

Among the lines of evidence that suggest colony collapse is not GMO related:

* Colony collapse has happened repeatedly throughout the history of beekeeping. It is well documented since the 1800s.

I have a bee keeping book from the 1800's... handed down through the generations and what Diss is saying here is quite true, this was a problem around the mid 1880's... imagine that... after a massive volcanic eruption there was colony collapse worldwide!

K-
 

Rex Jackson

Has No Life - Lives on TB
I'm also thinking chemtrails.

Im almost 100% certain a small select group are trying to terminate the bulk of the planet's population be it vaccines, plagues, finances, oil spills, wars, fighting within, gardening laws, health care reform, on and on....

heads up
 
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