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Russia warns of 'uncontrollable crisis' over Kosovo UPDATE


http://www.forbes.com/afxnewslimited/feeds/afx/2007/12/17/afx4446256.html


MOSCOW Thomson Financial - Russia's foreign ministry warned of a possible 'uncontrollable crisis' in Kosovo and called for continued talks over the future status of the Serbian province.

'The situation is threatening to slip towards an uncontrollable crisis if international law is not upheld,' the ministry said in a statement.

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It's all about Slavic nationalism, Russia's historical messianic complex and the "Orthodoxization" of the world, i.e., building the antichrist's bogus kingdom of god:

http://thefinalphaseforum.invisionzone.com/index.php?showtopic=10&pid=77

"If we presume the coming transformation of the Communist Party into the Russian Orthodox Party of the Soviet Union, we would obtain truly the ideal state, one which would fulfill the historical destiny of the Russian people. It is a question of the Orthodoxization of the entire world." - Gennadii Shimanov

From Alexander Yanov's "The Russian Challenge and the Year 2000" (1987)

Kosovo is a principal casus belli.
 

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http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/WO0712/S00922.htm


British PM Outlines European Union Priorities
Tuesday, 18 December 2007, 9:02 am
Press Release: UK Government


British PM Outlines European Union Priorities

Gordon Brown has identified economic reform, climate change and security in Kosovo, Iran and Burma as the key challenges for the European Union.

Speaking to MPs in Parliament, the Prime Minister said that the EU was now moving to a "new agenda" in order to "meet the challenges of the global era". Institutional reform as addressed in the EU Treaty, signed last week, would not be revisited "in the forseeable future", he added.

On Kosovo, Mr Brown said that EU leaders were agreed that the status quo was "unsustainable" and settlement around a "stable, democratic, multi-ethnic" Kosovo was necessary. At the same time the EU remains committed to the full integration of Serbia into the EU, he said.

With insufficient progress made in negotiations with Iran over its nuclear programme, the Prime Minister confirmed that the EU will seek a new UN resolution with tougher sanctions against Tehran. "Restrictive measures" may also be amended and reinforced against Burma if basic political freedoms are not implemented, he said.

On climate change, the PM said that the EU would seek an "ambitious" post-2012 agreement following the successful conclusion of the Bali summit on Saturday. The European Union will "step up" funding to help developing nations establish low carbon economies.

The Prime Minister used the statement to introduce the EU Amendment Bill, the legislative paper for the EU Amending Treaty signed in Lisbon last week. Mr Brown said that the proposals include arrangements to prevent any government accepting an increase in the EU's role without the express permission of Parliament.

The PM said:

"With the publication of the Bill that legislates for the amendments to the European Communities Act, Parliament will now have the opportunity to debate this amending treaty in detail and decide whether to implement it. We will ensure sufficient time for debate on the floor of the House so that the Bill is examined in the fullest of detail and all points of view can be heard. This will give the House the full opportunity to consider this treaty, and the deal secured for the UK, before ratification.

"In addition, I can tell the House that we have built into the legislation further safeguards to ensure proper Parliamentary oversight and accountability."

***

FULL TRANSCRIPT

Gordon Brown has addressed MPs in the House of Commons this afternoon on the European Union's future priorities.

European Council statement - 17 December 2007

With permission Mr Speaker, I would like to make a statement about the European Council held in Brussels on 14 December, which focused on two major concerns:

the reforms Europe must make to meet and master the global challenges we face - for competitiveness, employment, secure energy, climate change;
and issues of security - in particular Kosovo, Iran and Burma - that we must confront together.
I start with the most immediate concern facing the summit: the best way to bring about a satisfactory resolution to the status of Kosovo.

Kosovo is the last remaining unresolved issue from the violent break up of the former Yugoslavia. And in light of the recent failure by the parties in the Troika process to find a negotiated way forward, the European Council accepted its responsibility for joint European action and agreed the importance of moving urgently towards a settlement.

It is to the credit of all parties in the dispute that even when faced with conflicting positions the region remains at peace. And, as the European Council conclusions noted, it is essential that this commitment to peace is maintained.

The principles of our approach are: first, that Europe take seriously its special responsibility for the stability and security of the Balkans region. Indeed it is thanks to the sustained efforts of NATO troops and the diplomacy of the United Nations and the European Union that a safe and secure environment has been maintained.

But, second, we were agreed that the status quo is unsustainable and that we needed to move forward towards a settlement that ensures what we called a 'stable, democratic, multi-ethnic Kosovo committed to the rule of law, and to the protection of minorities and of cultural and religious heritage'.

And third, after a detailed discussion at the Council, we were also wholly united in agreeing that European engagement should move to a new level. We agreed in principle and stated our readiness to deploy an ESDP policing and rule of law mission to Kosovo. This will consist of a multinational mission of around 1,800 policemen and judicial officials. I can confirm that the UK will contribute around 80 of these, including its deputy head, Roy Reeve. European Foreign Ministers will confirm the detailed arrangements for this mission shortly.

Fourth, we also reaffirmed that a stable and prosperous Serbia fully integrated into Europe is important for the stability of the region. The Council encouraged Serbia to meet the necessary conditions to allow signature of its Stabilisation and Association Agreement and expressed our confidence that Serbia has the capacity to make rapid progress subsequently towards candidate status.

Indeed, the conclusions of the meeting of European Foreign Ministers last week reiterated the European Union's support for enlargement more generally - and we also look forward to recognising the progress made by both Croatia and Turkey at this week's Accession Conference in Brussels.

The UN Security Council will discuss the issue of Kosovo with representatives from both Belgrade and Pristina on 19th December, with the aim of giving Russia an opportunity to accept a consensus on the way forward. If this proves impossible, we - Britain - have always been clear that the Comprehensive Proposal put forward by the UN Special Envoy, Martti Ahtisaari - based around the concept of supervised independence for Kosovo - represents the best way forward.

And while we are rightly focused on the immediate priority of bringing the status process through to completion in an orderly and managed way, the European Council agreed that it is also important that we address the longer-term challenge of ensuring Kosovo's future economic and political viability. I welcome the commitment made by the European Union to assist Kosovo's economic and political development and planning is now underway for a Donors Conference to follow shortly after a status settlement.

The Council also discussed Iran and there was agreement on a united European approach. Here again, the power we wield working with all the EU is greater than if we acted on our own.

As I have made clear repeatedly, Iran remains in breach of its international obligations. In September foreign ministers from the E3 plus 3 agreed that unless there were positive outcomes from Javier Solana and the IAEA's discussions with Iran, we would seek tougher sanctions at the UN. The latest E3 plus 3 assessment is that sufficient progress has not been made.

The European Council conclusions call on Iran to provide full, clear and credible answers to the IAEA, and to resolve all questions concerning their nuclear activities. The European Council reiterated its support for a new UN resolution as soon as possible. In addition we agreed to decide on new measures that the EU itself might take to help resolve this situation at the January meeting of Foreign Ministers. These should complement UN measures or substitute for them if the Security Council cannot reach agreement.

Iran has a choice - confrontation with the international community leading to a tightening of sanctions or, if it changes its approach, a transformed relationship with the world from which all would benefit.

As set out in the Council's conclusions, the EU also reaffirmed its deep concern about the unacceptable situation in Burma, and makes clear that if there is no change in the Burmese regime's approach to political negotiations and basic political freedoms, we stand ready to review, amend and - if necessary - further reinforce restrictive measures against the Burmese Government. The Council also reaffirmed the important role of China, India and the Association of South-East Asian Nations in actively supporting the UN's efforts to establish an inclusive political process leading to genuine national reconciliation.

For our part we believe that the forthcoming visit of the UN envoy - Professor Gambari - is critical. It is essential that the Burmese government meets the demands set out in the UN Security Council statement of 11th October to:

release all political prisoners;
create the conditions for political dialogue, including relaxation of restrictions on Aung San Suu Kyi;
allow full co-operation with Professor Gambari;
address human rights concerns;
and begin a genuine and inclusive process of dialogue and national reconciliation with the opposition.
In particular, the regime should respond to the constructive statement of Aung San Suu Kyi of 8 November and open a "meaningful and timebound dialogue" with the opposition and the country's ethnic groups.

The Council also agreed that a key part of the EU's external agenda is how we can - by working together - maximise our influence in tackling global poverty. The Council agreed that the European Commission should report by April next year - half way to 2015 - on how the EU is meeting its commitments to the Millennium Development Goals, and how we can accelerate our progress.

In addition to these issues of international security and development, the Council conclusions and the special declaration on globalisation also sets out the challenges that the EU must now address on globalisation:

First, we agreed to maintain our focus on economic reform, with a renewed focus on modernising the single market so it enhances the EU's ability to compete in the global economy. We must have full implementation of the services directive by 2009 and we must continue to work towards further liberalisation in the energy, post and telecoms markets -- where market opening could generate between 75 and 95 billion euros of potential extra economic benefits and create up to 360,000 new jobs. Investment in research, innovation and education - and removing barriers to enterprise - are also essential.

Second, we confirmed our commitment to free trade and openness. The priority is securing a successful outcome to the Doha trade round, which would deliver gains to the global economy approaching 200 billion dollars by 2015, equivalent to 0.6 per cent of global income and bringing significant benefits to rich and poor countries alike. We will also promote better EU-US trade links.

Third, we agreed to do more to develop mechanisms for co-operation within the EU and with countries across the world to tackle security challenges like terrorism, illegal immigration and organised crime. We renewed our commitment to the EU Counter terrorism strategy and to cooperate on counter-radicalisation work.

Fourth, we will work together to deliver our commitments to tackle climate change - including the target of reducing emissions by 20 per cent by 2020, or 30 per cent as part of an international agreement. And building on the significant progress made last week in Bali - an agreement which the Environment Secretary will report to this House upon tomorrow - we must help negotiate an ambitious post-2012 international climate change agreement. And Europe must also now step up funding, including through the World Bank, to help the developing world shift to lower carbon growth and adapt to climate change.

Mr Speaker, it was agreed at the last Council meeting that the Presidency would bring forward a proposal for a new Reflection Group. This was announced in October. At this later meeting the Council invited Mr Felipe González Márquez, assisted by two Vice-Chairs, Mrs Vaira Vike-Freiberga and Mr Jorma Ollila, Chairman of Shell and Nokia, to - and I quote - 'identify the key issues and developments which the Union is likely to face in 2020 or 2030 and to analyse how these might be addressed'.

The remit specifically states that 'it shall not discuss institutional matters. Nor should its analysis constitute a review of current policies or address the Union's next financial framework'. It will report back to the Council, who will decide how to follow its recommendations.

Mr Speaker, I can tell the House also that today we are publishing the EU Amendment bill which contains the institutional changes to accomodate a Europe of 27 members and will include the safeguards we have negotiated to protect the British national interest:

* the legally binding protocol which ensures that nothing in the Charter of Fundamental Rights challenges or undermines the rights already set out in UK law - and that nothing in the Charter extends the ability of any court, European or national, to strike down UK law;

* legally binding protocols which prescribe in detail our sovereign right to opt-in on individual justice and home affairs measures where we consider it in the British interest to do so, but alternatively to remain outside if that is in our interests;

* a declaration that expressly states that nothing in the new Treaty affects the existing powers of Member States to formulate and conduct their foreign policy and that the basis of foreign and security policy will remain intergovernmental, a matter for governments to decide on the basis of unanimity;

* and an effective veto power on any proposals for important changes on social security so that when we - Britain - determine that any proposal would impact on an important aspect of our social security system - including its scope, cost or financial structure - we can insist on taking any proposal to the European Council under unanimity.

With the publication of the Bill that legislates for the amendments to the European Communities Act, Parliament will now have the opportunity to debate this amending treaty in detail and decide whether to implement it.

We will ensure sufficient time for debate on the floor of the House so that the Bill is examined in the fullest of detail and all points of view can be heard.

This will give the House the full opportunity to consider this treaty, and the deal secured for the UK, before ratification.

In addition, I can tell the House that we have built into the legislation further safeguards to ensure proper Parliamentary oversight and accountability.

To ensure that no government can agree without Parliament's approval to any change in European rules that could, in any way, alter the constitutional balance of power between Britain and the European Union, there is a provision in the bill that any proposal to activate the mechanisms in the treaty which provide for further moves to qualified majority voting - but which require unanimity - the so-called "passerelles" - will have to be subject to a prior vote by the House.

In the event of a negative vote, the Government would refuse to allow the use of the passerelle.

The Bill also includes a statutory obligation that any future EU amending treaty - including one which provided for any increase in the EU's competence - would have to be ratified through an Act of Parliament ---- so Parliament would have absolute security that no future change could be made against their wishes.

I said in October that I would oppose any further institutional change in the relationship between the EU and its member states, not just for this Parliament but for the next. I stand by that commitment.

And this is now also the settled consensus of the EU.

All 27 member states agreed at the Council - and this was expressly set out in the conclusions - that this amending treaty provides the Union with a stable and lasting institutional framework and that it completes the process of institutional reform for the foreseeable future.

The conclusions of the Council state specifically that the amending treaty 'provides the Union with a stable and lasting institutional framework. We expect no change in the foreseeable future'

Finally, let me conclude with the discussion on the most immediate of economic issues discussed -- concerns about the economic consequences of the global financial turbulence that started in America in August.

The Government's first priority in the coming weeks is to ensure the stability of the economy and to have the strength to take the difficult long term decisions necessary.

And the Council agreed that the whole of the EU must now turn its attention to both the immediate measures necessary and the long term strengthening of international capacity to secure greater financial stability.

The announcement earlier this week by Central Banks in the major financial centres that they will provide liquidity to ease tension in the financial markets must now be built upon.

As we agreed, supervisory authorities in different countries need to co-operate effectively across borders in exchanging information and in the management of crises and contagion.

The European Council conclusions emphasised that macroeconomic fundamentals in the EU are strong and that sustained economic growth is expected. But we concluded that continued monitoring of financial markets and the economy is crucial, as uncertainties remain. The Council underlined the importance of work being taken forward both within the EU and with our international partners to:

* improve transparency for investors, markets and regulators;

* improve valuation standards;

* improve the prudential framework, risk management and supervision in the financial sector;

* as well as review the functioning of markets, including the role of credit rating agencies.

The European Council will discuss these issues at its Spring 2008 meeting on the basis of a progress report by the Finance Ministers Council and by consideration of the Financial Stability Forum's work to date. As agreed by Chancellor Merkel, President Sarkozy and myself in October, the progress report should examine whether regulatory or other action is necessary. And I have invited Chancellor Merkel and President Sarkozy to London so that we can discuss the proposals in the paper we agreed and issued a few weeks ago.

Measures important to strengthening the international community's role in addressing financial turbulence across the world ---- showing the importance we attach to taking the tough long terms decisions to ensure in testing times the stability of the economy.

Mr Speaker, the conclusions of the Council state specifically that in the institutional framework we expect no change 'for the foreseeable future'.

The protections that have been agreed in the amending treaty defend the British national interest.
In the Bill introduced today we are legislating for new protections and new procedures to lock in our protection of these interests.

Europe is now moving to a new agenda - one that focuses on the changes needed to meet the challenges of the global era.

And I commend this statement to the House.

ENDS
 
You really

have to get with current events.


""If we presume the coming transformation of the Communist Party into the Russian Orthodox Party of the Soviet Union, we would obtain truly the ideal state, one which would fulfill the historical destiny of the Russian people. It is a question of the Orthodoxization of the entire world." - Gennadii Shimanov

From Alexander Yanov's "The Russian Challenge and the Year 2000" (1987) "




Nice quoting a no name Russian in an out of date 20 year quote. Hey, things HAVE changed in the last 20 years and almost every projection from the Reagan era cold war fear mongering has changed. Face it, Reagan is gone. Gorbachov is GONE.

Paranoid fantasy conspiracy ravings from 20-30 years ago were WRONG. I read a lot of that crap too back then.

Has it borne fruit? NO. It was all wrong and is no longer relevant. Ravings that this has all been a "plan" is the worst sort of tripe. Russia did not FORCE Clinton to attack Serbia in defense of a radical terrorist drug running Muslim KLA army.

The United States and Nato did that all on their own. Yeah, Russia FORCED Nato to attack the Serbs.

I will post an article from a Russian in the next post to show how things look from the Russian side. I am not "pro" Russian, but as one who has studied a lot of history I can certainly, in an un biased and more balanced fashion see how NATO and the WEST has forced the Russians to worry and beef up their almost destroyed defences.

WASHINGTON AND NATO HEAVY HANDEDNESS SINCE BUSH 1 HAS BEEN THE CAUSE OF RUSSIAS CURRENT BUILD UP.


In line with your reasoning, and just about the only thing I could dig up doing a search on your no name russian is this diatribe from 1998,

"All in all, my argument in these articles is as mentioned
above, that the Western powers are being provoked into taking
military action against historical Russian allies like Iraq and
the Serbs in order to stir a nationalist backlash in Russia.
This, in turn, will set the stage for a military coup in Russia
and the rise of a militant, anti-Western dictator, I believe
Vladimir Zhirinovsky, who will unleash a third world war against
the U.S. and its allies now that the West least expects such a
conflict and is least prepared. After the dust settles and the
Western powers are destroyed, Russia's seeming dictator will be
overthrown and Mikhail Gorbachev will return to power, this time
on a global-scale, and supposedly save the world from self-
destruction. In this way, Gorbachev and his cohorts, who in
reality planned the coming holocaust, will be upheld as world
saviors. Accordingly, Orthodox Christianity can be established
as an ideological front in the place of Communism, and a
worldwide church-based state can be established that will be
man's false "kingdom of god"- the antithesis of what the Kingdom
of God would truly be. "



FIRST OF ALL Vladimir Zhirinovsky is a has been and almost never run, though he was a great prop piece for western fear mongering 20 years ago. He ain't coming to power, ever. Second, Gorbachov is a has been. He helped destroy the old Soviet Union which dropped the Russian people into mind numbing poverty and humiliation. The Russian people hate him.

and yeah, after an all out nuclear war he is going to then take over the world and force Russian Orthodoxy on the rest of the world and presumably become the anti-Christ?

Jeeez, such inane childish thinking with the grasp of a junior highschooler.

This is the sort of 20-30 year old tripe I dug up looking for information on your no name russian.
 
Here is the article by a Russian. For those with some political or military operations savy read it closely. China is doing to us right now what Nato has been doing to Russia.

If we had half the news about the China threat in our newspapers as we do all the muzzie hate mongering, a lot more Americans would be worried about China. Because China and the illegals and our globalist minded leaders are what we should be paying attention to.

I have never been to the finalphase forum before but found this article while trying to search out the no name russian author quoted in the beginning of this thread.


http://thefinalphaseforum.invisionzone.com/index.php?showtopic=10


Advance over the "Red Line"

NATO's encirclement of Russia nears completion


By Vyacheslav Tetekin

Sovetskaya Rossiya

30 March 2004

Translated from the Russian

On Monday the 29th of March a meeting of heads of state of the NATO member countries will take place in Washington, at which the entries of Bulgaria, Latvia, Lithuania, Slovakia, Slovenia, Estonia and Romania into that alliance will become official. An analogous ceremony of foreign ministers will take place at NATO headquarters in Brussels. This is an event of no small importance, immeasurably more significant for us than the terrorist acts in Spain and recent events in the Balkans and the Mideast. A military concentration of several million soldiers and officers, equipped with the latest military technology and espousing an aggressive, expansionist doctrine has now arrived at our borders.

Putin, who up to now has always regarded the approach of this armada with Olympian tranquillity and tried to sell us on the idea that NATO is 'neither friend nor foe, simply a fact of life' (but more of a friend after all), has suddenly shown signs of disquiet. Unprecented strategic "exercises" of the army and navy have begun. Even fuel has turned up: pilots are once again flying, ships are headed to sea and tanks to the training grounds. And when three submarine missile launches failed recently Putin's nervousness was visible.

Up to now he's also observed the open destruction of our armed forces with the same Olympian calm. We'll share some considerations on this subject with you a bit further on, but now let's refresh our memories regarding the recent history of NATO expansion. The first stage occurred five years ago. In the warm days of May, 1999, while NATO missiles were bombing Yugoslavia to smithereens, the alliance received new members Poland, Hungary and the Czech Republic in a ceremony in Washington, amid fanfare and proclamations of the alliance's kindler, gentler image. (Later NATO General Secretary Javer Solana would be sentenced in absentia in a Belgrade court to 20 years imprisonment. For war crimes.)

At that time Russia at least tried to resist. A broken Yeltsin agreed to the alliance's absorption of three new members, but announced the existence of a certain "red line", beyond which NATO wouldn't be permitted to expand: that Russia would never allow the Baltic Republics and other former republics of the USSR to join NATO. And the West took this warning rather seriously. [Actually, I doubt the West ever took any of Yeltsin's warnings seriously, and the business about the "red line" was pure bluff on his part. -- Editor]

'Pro-western' Yeltsin has left the political stage, replaced by 'patriot' Putin. But already by October 2001, when I was in Finland as a member of a political delegation, our Finnish partners asked me in bewilderment: "Does Putin understand what he's doing? You see, he's not only agreed to the entry of Latvia, Lithuania and Estonia into NATO, but is factually driving neutral countries into the alliance too." Indeed, Putin's announcement (regarding the Baltics) that each country has the right to choose how to provide for its security was 'correctly' understood in the West. For them, this was proof that the "red line" had been forgotten, and that the president now wouldn't refuse to raise a champagne glass and drink to NATO's health.

A lot of champagne has been drunk since. Western missionaries with their centuries-old colonial experience have skillfully enticed our leaders with baubles, sermons and audiences with the Queen of England. Then we saw how right in the wake of the missionaries followed businessmen ready to seize Russia's riches and, behind them, soldiers to guarantee the safety of the riches seized by the businessmen. Now they've broken the news to the leader that he's no longer really in charge.

So he's begun to stir. But what's done is done. The poison ivy of NATO "friendship" is now in full bloom. NATO now has innumerable friends in Moscow, who've made a specialty (and not a shabby source of income) out of persuading us that NATO presents no threat to Russia. And they're aided by those Russian officials with their endless journeys to Brussels for fruitless sessions of the Russia-NATO Commission.

These get-togethers do nothing for Russia's interests (excluding rather tidy travel expenses for our bureaucrats). But they do a lot to shroud the danger emanating from NATO in a thick cloud of fog. In the Foreign Ministry of the RF there's as before no shortage of those ready to vouch for NATO's harmlessness. Even the Defense Ministry expresses itself more than ambivalently on this matter. On the one hand, the NATO danger is simply bursting through the cracks by now, and is impossible to hide. On the other hand, our generals and their valiant minister Mr. Ivanov really enjoy their trips to Brussels.

What's taking place in fact behind the smokescreen of rhetoric about partnership between Russia and NATO? Here are some news items from just the last few days. On one former Soviet airfield in Lithuania F-16 fighter-bombers will soon be taking off. In answer to the Russian ambassador's feeble protest the Lithuanian minister announced that Lithuania is no longer interested in Moscow's opinion about how she should ensure her security. To bring the point home they threw three Russian diplomats out of their country. Moscow swallowed this all in silence, which only convinced the Lithuanians how right they were not to take Moscow's warnings seriously. Then Estonia followed suit by throwing out two of our diplomats. These countries are not even bothering to hide their hostility towards Russia any more.

At the same time, the Ukrainian parliament has ratified a Memorandum of Understanding between the Ukraine and NATO granting NATO quick access rights to the territory of their "independent" republic. NATO units can now travel throughout the Ukraine practically unhindered. Thus NATO forces have factually received access to Russia's borders. If necessary they can easily block the main base of the Black Sea Fleet in Sevastopol. The NATO commanders have enormous experience with quick deployment. They've been doing training exercises in the Ukraine for eight years. And Moscow has kept silent the whole time.

NATO forces in the Baltics and Ukraine threaten the European part of Russia. And the threat is enormous, for instead of the once-mighty Soviet strategic defense system from the Barents to the Black Seas we now have a gaping hole. Over this whole colossal territory we've not one battle-capable army. The situation is much worse than it was on June 22, 1941. Then our retreating forces inflicted such heavy losses on the fascists that the Wermacht was already reeling by the Winter of '41. Today we've got no one capable of putting up a resistance on that front.

Now let's consider the Caucasus, the gateway to Russia's southern regions. Georgia has already turned into a US protectorate, where American soldiers can do as they please. [It's now an open secret that Georgia is run from the US Embassy in Tbilisi. -- Editor] Now the USA is conducting active negotiations for the deployment of their forces in Azerbaijan. Baku is literally crawling with their military delegations, who don't even hide their intention to force Azerbaijan to agree to a 'temporary' deployment of mobile US units there. At the same time former Soviet aerodromes at Kurdamir, Nasosny and Gala are being studied for suitability for the US Air Force. The Americans openly declare that the Caspian is now a zone of US national interests and America is ready to help "guarantee security" in that region.

In the southeastern direction (Central Asia) NATO member countries have already built air bases and it appears they're there for good. At any rate, in answer to the Russian leadership's hints that it might be time to go home, the Americans and their allies declare that they have no intention of going anywhere. Meanwhile, the Tadjiks are refusing the participation of our border guards in guarding the Afghan border (through which colossal quantities of heroin flow into Russia and on to Europe). Negotiations for the creation of Russian bases drag on. The famous 201st Division, one of the best-trained in the Russian army, is degrading quickly. It's being moved from its well lived-in base to an unprepared location. Soon nothing will remain of its combat capability. And in general, it's preparing to switch allegiance to the president of Tadjikistan. So in this direction, too, we see no one able to defend Russian interests.

In this fashion, a NATO invasion of Russia turns from a theoretical threat to a perfectly real possibility. Large-scale preparations for intervention are going full-steam ahead. And now the multitudes of intelligence colonels and generals in and around the Kremlin have suddenly seen this threat lurking under their noses. And they've begun to wake up.

Our newspaper has already published the work of the Norwegian Institute for Defense Research, in which a scenario for the first wave of a NATO invasion of Russia is described frankly and in detail, along with a list of clearly-defined pretexts which would justify such an intervention. The noose around Russia's neck is slowly tightening. And our Russian commanders continue their journeys to Brussels where they're flattered by their NATO colleagues with false assurances of eternal friendship with Russia. Meanwhile, the number of NATO reconnaisance flights along our borders continues to increase. One more proof of their friendship?

But maybe we're not understanding the essence of NATO correctly? Maybe its expansion is directed at completely different ends? Let's examine the situation from this angle. In recent years the the alliance has spoken much of its preparation to meet "new challenges and threats", including those of international terror and the drug trade. But the conflict in Kosovo has shown just how far NATO's deeds are from its words. Having in its possession 45 000 soldiers in Kosovo, NATO's done nothing to prevent the province from becoming Europe's main center of drug trafficking. The Albanian drug mafia is flourishing under the factual patronage of NATO.

And the connections between the Albanian terrorists and Osama ben Laden have been written about extensively in recent years. And what of it? And nothing of it!

Afghanistan is now under NATO control. Heroin deliveries from that country to Russia and Europe have grown many times over. And this has all happened after the overthrow of the Taliban regime (which forbade opium cultivation) and the arrival of American forces, along with their NATO allies. So where's the evidence that NATO is battling terrorism and drugs? There is none!

So the NATO military machine is relentlessly approaching Russia's borders. We remind you that there are now 3,7 million NATO soldiers and officers in uniform. With the addition of Eastern Europe NATO receives an additional 227 000 soldiers and officers, 5 000 tanks, 150 aerodromes and 500 warplanes. Who is this enormous force directed against?

With Latvia, Lithuania and Estonia, NATO receives 25 air force bases close to Russia's borders. The most important aerodromes are Lielvarde and Tukums in Latvia, Karmelava and Panevezhis in Lithuania and Emari in Estonia. They've already been equipped to accomodate NATO strike aviation: airstrips have been lengthened, taxi areas widened, and powerful radar capable of monitoring the skies of Russia has been installed. AWACS reconnaisance planes are already patrolling our borders. From the Baltic States NATO can strike 1 600 kilometers into Russian territory.

The alliance receives a network of naval bases and ports, too: in Latvia: Liepaia, Ust-Dvinsk, Riga and Ventspils; in Lithuania: Klaipeda; in Estonia: Paldiski, Tallinn and Muuga. Preparations are underway for the basing of NATO warships there, and reception and warehousing of military stockpiles. For several years USA marine landing exercises have been taking place. What international terrorists are NATO planning to do battle with in this sleepy corner of Europe? You see, besides the Chechen bandits being warmed by Lithuania's leaders, there's no hint of any "extremism" there. [The website of the Chechen rebels, www.kavkaz.org, is based in Vilnius, Lithuania, and enjoys the protection a member of the Lithuanian parliament. Poland and the Baltic States are well-known havens for the dukhi, who're never refused entry there. -- Editor] All these preparations and huge expenditures make sense only in one case: if they're directed against Russia!

So Putin has suddenly gotten nervous and begun to concern himself with the battle-readiness of the Russian army. And he's very right to do so. The West harbors no gratitude towards Putin for his services in destroying the geopolitical legacy of the USSR. They're demanding new concessions. And to add insult to injury, it turns out that NATO and other "friendly" organizations are now preparing a "Chechnya war crimes" dossier. In which one of the main villians could well be Putin himself. [Putin would never have been installed in power by the masters of the "New World Order" if he weren't blackmailable. The "juiciest" materials in his dossier of "kompromat" (that's Russian for "compromising materials") are the "engineered war" in Chechnya, and the accompanying explosions of apartment buildings in Moscow, Volgodonsk and other cities, all allegedly carried out by Russian intelligence with the purpose of boosting Putin's popularity rating. -- Editor] So NATO will have yet another pretext for intervention and the necessity for putting Putin on trial for Chechnya. And he knows this.

NATO expansion is not merely the biggest military threat to Russia since 1941. It's our biggest foreign policy defeat since before Peter the Great. In comparison with it, our defeats in the Russo-Japanese and Crimean wars were simply regrettable trifles. If the fire in the manege on the night of Putin's electoral "triumph" was a harbinger of our domestic woes, this latest stage of NATO expansion is a grim warning of our ripening foreign policy catastrophe.

Vyacheslav Tetekin.

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Continual propoganda posting that somehow the ruined Russia has engineered every political and military and financial action of the last 30 years is just silly, it ranks up there in absurd conspiracy thinking that someone just posted recently that the Jesuits run all of Europe, our Oligarchy, the Vatican, Israel, AND Russia.

The things some people will believe and just won't let go of.
 

Housecarl

On TB every waking moment
Op-Ed from the Washington Post...
Posted for fair use...
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/12/16/AR2007121601432.html


Challenge in Kosovo
Europe and the United States should not allow Russia to block the Balkan province's independence.
Monday, December 17, 2007; Page A20


IT IS beginning to look as though the United States and the European Union may stand up to a signal challenge in Europe from an increasingly belligerent Russia. The test comes in the Balkan province of Kosovo, which formed part of Serbia until a 1999 NATO military intervention aimed at stopping the brutalization of its ethnic Albanian population by the Serbian army. Since then the territory has been governed by the United Nations, and independence has been the only feasible outcome.

Until a year ago it looked as though that result might be reached relatively smoothly. Then Russian President Vladimir Putin decided to use Kosovo to reassert Russian power in Europe, drag Serbia into Moscow's sphere of influence, and divide the European Union and NATO. He did so by refusing to accept a carefully brokered international plan for conditional independence for Kosovo and by throwing Moscow's support behind Serbian nationalists who insist that a territory populated by 100,000 Serbs and 2 million Albanians remain part of Serbia.

Sure enough, by last summer the U.N. Security Council was blocked from approving the independence plan, Serbia's resistance hardened and the European Union was split over whether to recognize an independent Kosovo without U.N. action -- and whether to stand with the United States against Moscow.

Fortunately Kosovo's elected Albanian leadership and the Bush administration responded with patience and quiet diplomacy aimed at the wavering Europeans. As a result it now looks as though most of Europe will join the United States in supporting a declaration of independence by Kosovo early next year. Following the completion of four months of additional U.N.-backed negotiations -- talks doomed to failure by Moscow's hard line -- European Union ministers agreed Friday to begin preparing to dispatch an E.U. mission that would help police Kosovo and oversee its government following independence. This followed an agreement by NATO this month that its 16,500 troops would remain in the province even if its status changed.

European governments also resolved to offer Serbia accelerated movement toward E.U. membership, once it meets certain conditions. That would leave both Serbia and Russia with crucial choices. Serbia could allow Kosovo to go and begin preparing for a future inside the European Union; or it could try to destabilize the new state by cutting off power sources and encouraging rebellion by Serbs who live in the northern part of Kosovo. Mr. Putin will have to decide whether to escalate his dispute with Europe and the United States by carrying out threats to recognize the independence of Moscow-backed breakaway provinces of Georgia. The wrong choices could mean a return to violence in the Balkans or to a Cold War-style standoff in Europe. That shouldn't stop the West from doing the right thing for Kosovo.
 
The Grand Plan

have to get with current events.


""If we presume the coming transformation of the Communist Party into the Russian Orthodox Party of the Soviet Union, we would obtain truly the ideal state, one which would fulfill the historical destiny of the Russian people. It is a question of the Orthodoxization of the entire world." - Gennadii Shimanov

From Alexander Yanov's "The Russian Challenge and the Year 2000" (1987) "




Nice quoting a no name Russian in an out of date 20 year quote. Hey, things HAVE changed in the last 20 years and almost every projection from the Reagan era cold war fear mongering has changed. Face it, Reagan is gone. Gorbachov is GONE.

Paranoid fantasy conspiracy ravings from 20-30 years ago were WRONG. I read a lot of that crap too back then.

Has it borne fruit? NO. It was all wrong and is no longer relevant. Ravings that this has all been a "plan" is the worst sort of tripe. Russia did not FORCE Clinton to attack Serbia in defense of a radical terrorist drug running Muslim KLA army.

The United States and Nato did that all on their own. Yeah, Russia FORCED Nato to attack the Serbs.

I will post an article from a Russian in the next post to show how things look from the Russian side. I am not "pro" Russian, but as one who has studied a lot of history I can certainly, in an un biased and more balanced fashion see how NATO and the WEST has forced the Russians to worry and beef up their almost destroyed defences.

WASHINGTON AND NATO HEAVY HANDEDNESS SINCE BUSH 1 HAS BEEN THE CAUSE OF RUSSIAS CURRENT BUILD UP.


In line with your reasoning, and just about the only thing I could dig up doing a search on your no name russian is this diatribe from 1998,

"All in all, my argument in these articles is as mentioned
above, that the Western powers are being provoked into taking
military action against historical Russian allies like Iraq and
the Serbs in order to stir a nationalist backlash in Russia.
This, in turn, will set the stage for a military coup in Russia
and the rise of a militant, anti-Western dictator, I believe
Vladimir Zhirinovsky, who will unleash a third world war against
the U.S. and its allies now that the West least expects such a
conflict and is least prepared. After the dust settles and the
Western powers are destroyed, Russia's seeming dictator will be
overthrown and Mikhail Gorbachev will return to power, this time
on a global-scale, and supposedly save the world from self-
destruction. In this way, Gorbachev and his cohorts, who in
reality planned the coming holocaust, will be upheld as world
saviors. Accordingly, Orthodox Christianity can be established
as an ideological front in the place of Communism, and a
worldwide church-based state can be established that will be
man's false "kingdom of god"- the antithesis of what the Kingdom
of God would truly be. "



FIRST OF ALL Vladimir Zhirinovsky is a has been and almost never run, though he was a great prop piece for western fear mongering 20 years ago. He ain't coming to power, ever. Second, Gorbachov is a has been. He helped destroy the old Soviet Union which dropped the Russian people into mind numbing poverty and humiliation. The Russian people hate him.

and yeah, after an all out nuclear war he is going to then take over the world and force Russian Orthodoxy on the rest of the world and presumably become the anti-Christ?

Jeeez, such inane childish thinking with the grasp of a junior highschooler.

This is the sort of 20-30 year old tripe I dug up looking for information on your no name russian.


Right....you are quoting from one of my early-90's articles.

I understand your thinking, but you must be careful not underestimate Russia's penchant for long-term planning.

Remember that back in the Soviet days, history was officially shaped according to 5-, 10- and 20-year plans. This supposedly stopped after Gorbachev came to power in the mid-1980s.

However, I believe very little changed.

The collapse of Soviet communism, the emergence of robber baron capitalism, the failure of liberalism and the nationalist, authoritarian backlash that has led to the emergence of Putin's reich is ALL according to plan. The objective of the plan is nothing different than was admittedly the case prior to Gorbachev: the conquest of the West and establishment of a global utopian society based on communism. The only difference is that the egalitarian principles fundamental to atheistic Marxist-Leninism were supplanted by the theistic principles of Orthodox Christianity. In other words, instead of seeking to destroy the West and establish global communism, the Russians decided to destroy the West and establish an utterly false "kingdom of god" that will be nothing more than a dictatorship of man under the guise of Christianity....much as was the case with Russia's bogus "communist" society.

Kosovo, being the heart of Orthodox Christianity, is, in effect, Russia's "new Jerusalem". Accordingly, Russia will fight to the death with the West to maintain Serb (Slavic) control of this tiny enclave.

That this was the plan all along is made clear in the video "The Death Of Yugoslavia". Note how in this first part of the series, a Serb confrontation with Muslims over control of Kosovo was "choreographed" right from the beginning of the disintegration of Yugoslavia:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9bi0ziA9diw

Bear in mind that this was 1987-88, well before the collapse of the Soviet Union when a tight lid was kept on nationalist and ethnic divisions. The release of nationalist hatred was triggered from the top-down....much like the Velvet Revolutions that brought about the seeming collapse of the Soviet Union. Everything was PLANNED.
 
Here is the article by a Russian. For those with some political or military operations savy read it closely. China is doing to us right now what Nato has been doing to Russia.

If we had half the news about the China threat in our newspapers as we do all the muzzie hate mongering, a lot more Americans would be worried about China. Because China and the illegals and our globalist minded leaders are what we should be paying attention to.

I have never been to the finalphase forum before but found this article while trying to search out the no name russian author quoted in the beginning of this thread.


http://thefinalphaseforum.invisionzone.com/index.php?showtopic=10


As for "NATO encirclement of Russia"....this is also part of Russia's master plan.

When strong....feign weakness.

Russia knew by the early 1980s that the "window of vulnerability" had opened for them to take out the West with the massive nuclear arsenal they had built. However, using that arsenal in a manner that achieved military, economic and POLITICAL victory was the objective. To fulfill this objective, Russia determined that world war three needed to be triggered in a manner that appears to be the West's fault. Furthermore, given the rabidly anti-semitic character of the Russian Right's mindset, the ideal would be to set-off an East-West conflict that appears to be the Jews' fault. Hence you have Iran's nuclear pursuits setting the stage for a Middle East conflagration sparked by Israeli military aggression.

Thus, through careful long-term historical maneuvering, Russia now has the correct conditions in place for their casus belli such that Moscow can destroy Israel, America and the Western powers and escape culpability for the global nuclear war they had long-planned. In The End, Russia hopes to be perceived as a victim in unleashing the third world war....yet nothing could be further from the truth.

The devil is a liar and murderer from the beginning and with regard to Russia and Satan's lair, the West is falling victim to the greatest lie in human history that makes way for the greatest mass murder in human history: World War Three.
 

night driver

ESFP adrift in INTJ sea
Remember that the Sov's are NOT madmen.... They don't want to have to deal with the sequelae from a more or less generalized nuke war any more thsn you or I do.

They want to be able to win without glowing.
 
Remember that the Sov's are NOT madmen.... They don't want to have to deal with the sequelae from a more or less generalized nuke war any more thsn you or I do.

They want to be able to win without glowing.

That's one reason they've pulled their punches for the last twenty years to disarm us through "peaceful coexistence" and nuclear disarmament agreements. A significant amount of our counter-strike has been eliminated without a shot fired.
 
SOT

Some of your points are valid, and I'll address your two replies to me later when I have more time.

I just don't buy the long lost cold war perspective. The world and Russia have changed considerably.

I am not saying they are no threat at all, I just dont buy that long planned operations are now taking place.

They were decimated. Almost destroyed. They ARE rising again, but I think we had a historic opportunity to really make a good friendship with them, and now that opportunity has been lost.

Sorry, I think China is a much larger threat to US, and China HAS ALWAYS BEEN A THREAT TO THE RUSSIANS.

To bad the same leadership that has stripped us of our "national treasure" went on to try to do the same to the Ruskies and lost a great opportunity.

Anyway, thanks for the reply, I'll get back to it later.

ds
 
Some of your points are valid, and I'll address your two replies to me later when I have more time.

I just don't buy the long lost cold war perspective. The world and Russia have changed considerably.

I am not saying they are no threat at all, I just dont buy that long planned operations are now taking place.

They were decimated. Almost destroyed. They ARE rising again, but I think we had a historic opportunity to really make a good friendship with them, and now that opportunity has been lost.

Sorry, I think China is a much larger threat to US, and China HAS ALWAYS BEEN A THREAT TO THE RUSSIANS.

To bad the same leadership that has stripped us of our "national treasure" went on to try to do the same to the Ruskies and lost a great opportunity.

Anyway, thanks for the reply, I'll get back to it later.

ds

Thanks DS....pay attention to the numbers that truly count in the Realpolitik military equation of world domination:

http://www.cdi.org/nuclear/database/nukestab.html
 
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