Who do you fear more: police or criminals?

Who do you fear more, the police or criminals?

  • Police

    Votes: 133 56.6%

  • Criminals

    Votes: 102 43.4%
  • Total voters
    235
  • Poll closed .
changed

changed

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I can take care of myself. Most criminals are cowards and will back down when they hear the sound of you putting one in the chamber. But I fear the police. There is a little law against everything - jaywalking, tail light out, not renewing the address on your drivers license within 30 days, carrying a gun, etc, etc.
Police do not believe that roadblocks violate our 4th amendment rights. Did you remember to put your auto insurance card in you car? Did you have a wine cooler at a friends and are driving home?

And have you all noticed how not wearing your seatbelt is a major crime now?

The only time police get sent somewhere by a dispatcher is when some jerk is causing trouble. So when they only deal with jerks all day long, they begin to think that everyone is a criminal. They don't get a call by the dispatcher to go see the nice guy.

There have been times in the past when I had to dial 911 for various reasons. When the police finally arrived, it was not pleasant for me, and I was the one that called. They get suspicious of people that call 911, even if you have a good reason. I will not call 911 anymore. If something happens, I will ask someone else with a cell phone to call 911.
 
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1919A6

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Kill a criminal in self-defense, defense of others or the constitution

his buddies will not hunt you down an murder you, the cops will.

Also if you are a religious minority and there are cops that need to have a big show for increasing there budgets, they'll murder them without a blink of the eye - it goes to all minorities not just the innocent children at WACO!
 
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Dazed

Guest
Criminals.

Criminals are cowards, generally.

Police may have their issues, but they are generally courageous men and women, and they have, at least, a set of rules and codes to follow and live by. While there are issues with police conduct, and they don't always generally treat civilians as they should when getting a grip on a situation, they generally behave well enough.

There are more bad apples in the ranks of criminals than in the ranks of police.

A career policeman has more to lose than a career criminal.

I too have had issues with police that were too aggresive or made mistakes, but I attribute that to training issues and the fact that they are human.
 
kytom

kytom

escapee from reality
i was told that they had the right to enter a home that called 911. a friend of mine was rousted when at 1:00 in the morning a couple of cops beat on his door. he answered it and they said" a 911 call has been placed from this address we must enter." they entered and searched his whole home. i really dont have any neighbors but one who cares. i live in a subdivision where no one knows each other and doesnt communicate with one another. if someone here was hurt everyone here would just let them flop like a fish out of water. i live in a nice upperclass neighborhood. very few people actually give a sh#$ anymore. united we stand divided we fall. my "hood" will be wiped off the map when reckoning day comes. the police will be the first ones to f#$k us. just watch soylent green with charlton heston. youll get the picture.
 
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TJA

Veteran Member
Criminals.

Although there seem to be some very disturbing trends regarding how the police are changing I still believe that the vast majority of police are still trustworthy.
 
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momof23goats

Deceased
Criminals. yes, there are some police, that I don't think should be on the force. but I would still put my money on the police. they see alot of weirdo's daily. and they work long hours, to try to protect us. and I do think that job is getting harder and harder.
 
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JustCause

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The majority of police that I have met both during and outside of their official duties, have been criminals. Some common, like myself. We drive too fast, party a little hard (when we can), and routinely brake idiot laws. They are the GOOD guys, IMHO.

But the ones I fear are the ones who hide behind the badge. The ego-manic, psyciopath, antisocial door-kickers.
 
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ChiliPalmer

Inactive
Police who act as criminals. If you run across a criminal engaging in criminal behaviour there's still a fighting shot justice will be served. If you run across police who indulge in criminal acts, they'll retreat behind the badge, their fellow police will offer them full support, and not only will the common citizen stand less chance of seeing justice but there's now the fun of being threatened by the police.

If someone broke into my home and attacked me, I'd rather it were a common criminal any day.
 
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sparkky

Inactive
police by far.
crimals are like buying a steak at the meat market, you can see exactly what you're paying for.
cops are like a TV dinner. the picture on the box is almost always better than what's really inside.
 
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moon73

Inactive
50/50
A run in with a criminal is bad but you can recover. Get messed up a bad cop and get in the 'system', your fubar the rest of your life. On the other hand there are a lot real nut jobs out there that cops keep off the streets.
I'm not afraid but I'm not walking thru this jungle with my eyes closed.
 
Hacker

Hacker

Computer Hacking Pirate
It is not the police I fear per se. It is that the police are so willing to enforce unjust and unConstitutional laws.
 
expose'

expose'

The Pulse......
Is this thread a joke? :rolleyes:

It must be nice to live in some world where you've never had to deal with real criminals... Todays bad guys are evil. They can be high on meth - which doesn't allow for much sympathy when they're cutting off your fingers for your diamond rings... Even if you are family! Todays - bad guys are increasingly desperate. There are no limits for them! There are no Chiefs or Mayors you can complain to. There are no review boards to keep them in check! There are no socialist community groups to lean on criminals if they feel they are robbing, murdering and assaulting too many innocent citizens.... Guess what? Bad guys don't use "tazers"! They use anything they want and have no fear of the term "deadly force".

There are millions of cops in this nation. you hear of a few bad cops and suddenly you are actually considering fearing police over criminals? I see the media has been successful in pushing your buttons......:shk:

DOH!
 
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waterman

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I have real experience with bad cops. They have affected my life far more than the criminals I have dealt with. I have had cars broken into, stereos stolen, wallet stolen, and have had a thief steal a checkbook only to use it at local electronics stores. But the damage done by cops abusing the badge has caused more sleep loss, more stress, more harm and headaches than any of the criminal acts.

I can see why at this point more are afraid of the cops than the criminals on this poll. Perhaps others have had 'experiences' or a brush with one of these bad cops in some way or form to honestly be afraid of the cops.

And I don't think this is a modern-age problem. Has anyone seen or read "The Grapes of Wrath/Steinbeck"? When I saw it a few weeks ago, it woke me up to the fact this has been a problem for a long time.
 
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Billy Tudor

Arcade Fire
Neither, as they are both two sides of the same coin, controlled by Bohemian Grove and the Cartoon Network.

Can you please add a third category...Sherman and Peabody, please? As according to Alex Jones, they utilize the wayback machine to control both sides in an effort to usher in the NWO.
 
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K9

Senior Member
expose' said:
Is this thread a joke? :rolleyes:

It must be nice to live in some world where you've never had to deal with real criminals... Todays bad guys are evil. They can be high on meth - which doesn't allow for much sympathy when they're cutting off your fingers for your diamond rings... Even if you are family! Todays - bad guys are increasingly desperate. There are no limits for them! There are no Chiefs or Mayors you can complain to. There are no review boards to keep them in check! There are no socialist community groups to lean on criminals if they feel they are robbing, murdering and assaulting too many innocent citizens.... Guess what? Bad guys don't use "tazers"! They use anything they want and have no fear of the term "deadly force".

There are millions of cops in this nation. you hear of a few bad cops and suddenly you are actually considering fearing police over criminals? I see the media has been successful in pushing your buttons......:shk:

DOH!
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I've had cops beat me so bad that I could not work for two weeks.Bad cops made threats on my life before trial.At the trial the DA said that the blood test was lost.The Judge said that has been happening A lot lately and threw out the DUI.Did I mention that I do not drink?

There has been times when I needed the police but they were no where to be found.The times they did show up,I was turned into the bad guy.

Have never been seriously hurt by A criminal.Can not say that by the police.A criminal has never taken my freedom away from me or has cost me thousands of dollars.Can not say that by the police.

I'm sure there are good cops out there but at least with A criminal I know what I'M dealing with.No,I do not think this thread is A joke.
 
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Trasael Adnepos

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Well, let me put it this way. I am, generally speaking, legally permitted to defend myself, my loved ones, my neighbors, and my property against criminals who do not have badges, including the appropriate use of deadly force.

Criminals generally use vehicles with civilian plates, and I do not feel immediately threatened when I am traveling the roads and see a civilian plate.

I have never been falsely arrested and subjected to false imprisonment by a civilian criminal, nor would I submit to such an outrage.

I have never been trapped, "seized" and subjected to inland piracy by a civilian criminal while exercising my constitutional right to travel in my private conveyance.

I have never had a civilian criminal serve an illegally obtained search warrant void on its face to gather samples of vegetation and soils on my private property for traitors.

I have never yet had a civilian criminal question my unconditional constitutional right of self defense, or to bear arms in self defense.

I have not met a civilian criminal who thinks he IS the "law" of the land.

Hmmm. Let me think.

Tras
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"They who have put out the people's eyes reproach them of their blindness."
John Milton, 1642
 
clem

clem

Veteran Member
changed said:
I can take care of myself. Most criminals are cowards and will back down when they hear the sound of you putting one in the chamber. But I fear the police. There is a little law against everything - jaywalking, tail light out, not renewing the address on your drivers license within 30 days, carrying a gun, etc, etc.
Police do not believe that roadblocks violate our 4th amendment rights. Did you remember to put your auto insurance card in you car? Did you have a wine cooler at a friends and are driving home?

The only time police get sent somewhere by a dispatcher is when some jerk is causing trouble. So when they only deal with jerks all day long, they begin to think that everyone is a criminal. They don't get a call by the dispatcher to go see the nice guy.

There have been times in the past when I had to dial 911 for various reasons. When the police finally arrived, it was not pleasant for me, and I was the one that called. They get suspicious of people that call 911, even if you have a good reason. I will not call 911 anymore. If something happens, I will ask someone else with a cell phone to call 911.
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Being a retired Sheriff's Detective, I won't answer your question but, I suggest that you seek mental health care if you trust criminals more then you do the police.
 
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Stormy

Inactive
I do fear criminals more than the police. Several police folks are my friends, and they are good, honest people that put their lives on the line for us each and every day.

But of course there are bad folks in the police dept., which is a shame. I just live a very quiet life and never have any contact with them for DECADES other than my cop buddies.

But Clem, I don't know about you. You have no honor. The way you treated me on another thread, and I'm a Marine too (1980-1986) I'd take the criminals over you any day, and I'm truly sad to say that, but you've shown your lack of character to me.
 
expose'

expose'

The Pulse......
Criminals generally use vehicles with civilian plates, and I do not feel immediately threatened when I am traveling the roads and see a civilian plate.

I have never been falsely arrested and subjected to false imprisonment by a civilian criminal, nor would I submit to such an outrage.

I have never been trapped, "seized" and subjected to inland piracy by a civilian criminal while exercising my constitutional right to travel in my private conveyance.

I have never had a civilian criminal serve an illegally obtained search warrant void on its face to gather samples of vegetation and soils on my private property for traitors.

I have never yet had a civilian criminal question my unconditional constitutional right of self defense, or to bear arms in self defense.

I have not met a civilian criminal who thinks he IS the "law" of the land.

Hmmm. Let me think.

Tras
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Tras,

How many police have you ever personally met that has done any of these things to you?

Personally - I've had criminals shove guns in my head, in my childs head, knives in my face, my car windows destroyed for the sake of stealing it's contents. I've watched criminals, rob, beat, terrorize your average citizen on the street. I've seen the aftermath of gang initiations where they shot up people waiting at bus stops.

Criminals DO trap, restrain and seize your property! Criminals DO trample on your land without your approval and take what they find valuable. Criminals DO care about your right to defend yourself and to bear arms and will shoot you before they worry about it.

I am just so grateful that you haven't had the pleasure of meeting REAL criminals yet. :rolleyes:.....I pray you never do! But running with this uber-police paranoia thing is just foolish. It's purpose is to discredit local police so TPTB can bring in their answer... Trust me - you don't want some global version of a JBT taking over for local law enforcement.....:whistle: That will be when this thread is worthy of posting....
 
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bleep2u2

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The police are more dangerous by far. 6 of them can beat you to death and you arent supposed to resist. Thankfully Ive lived long enough that I will take one with me if Im ever wrongfully hit or gun on me. A man I called a best friend before he became a cop died a so-called hero on the Fort Worth police department. I know for a fact while he was a cop he was a wife beating ,drug taking ,sadistic (killer) ,drunk. Without a gun and club the man was a coward. Woe unto the person he stopped on a lonely road. Fraid it woulda been him or me. No way this guy knew any restraint. Unfortunately other cops Ive known are screwed up people running around with a gun and a badge.
 
clem

clem

Veteran Member
Stormy
"But Clem, I don't know about you. You have no honor. The way you treated me on another thread, and I'm a Marine too (1980-1986) I'd take the criminals over you any day, and I'm truly sad to say that, but you've shown your lack of character to me."

No, you are not a Marine. You were just in the Corps but never really earned the title, or even know what it was about. Even though you've thrown it around to others on this board, they know the truth. Was your enlistment a "fraud"? As far as what YOU think about me, I really could care less because those that are damned do not bother me, especially when they judge me.
And yes, you're right about one thing, you don't know me.
Have fun with the criminals.:boohoo:
 
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ready2go

Veteran Member
I have found that the majority of cop haters are infantile and whiny - they usually whine about everything in their life and how screwed they got by everyone, mainly, 'the system'. In this, they have much in common with career criminals but usually lack the guts to act out for fear of prison. They are usually the first to call 911 when things go bad. They are the first to criticize when you don't get there fast enough.

I will acknowledge that there are a very small percentage of people who have been wronged by cops and they deserve justice. I think that if you did a case by case study of this, the percentage of people who really had a legit gripe would be very, very low.

Charles H. Webb Ph. D. of CSU, Long Beach said:

"There is no 'nice' way to arrest a potentially dangerous, combative suspect. The police are our bodyguards, our hired fists, batons, and guns. We pay them to do the dirty work of protecting us, the work we're too afraid, too unskilled or too civilized to do ourselves. We expect them to keep the bad guys out of our businesses, cars and houses, out of our face. We want them to just 'take care of the problem'. We just don't want to see how it's done."

Obviously, the above doesn't apply to everyone as I know that there are people here who have the will and the brains to protect themsleves but most people don't, they are commonly referred to as "sheeple' on this forum.

You guys should give cops the same benefit of the doubt that you'd give a gun owner or tax protestor when they're accused of something. The cops behaving badly stories that are posted are ambiguous at best and are pretty much drive-by journalism. Some of them have turned out to be true, for instance, the case in Atlanta where the old lady got killed by an out of control dope unit - these guys need to burn. But once you hear the 'rest of the story' as that old guy on the radio puts it, things aren't always as they appear. Try to keep an open mind.
 
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bleep2u2

Inactive
Its strange that most if not all the cop defenders are LEOs or are involved with them in some way. This thread is ABOUT you and the publics feelings ABOUT YOU ! Im afraid insults and rants arent going to convince anyone that many of the people attracted by the power of life and death over ordinary citizens arent a threat greater than a criminal .
 
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Stormy

Inactive
clem said:
Stormy
"But Clem, I don't know about you. You have no honor. The way you treated me on another thread, and I'm a Marine too (1980-1986) I'd take the criminals over you any day, and I'm truly sad to say that, but you've shown your lack of character to me."

No, you are not a Marine. You were just in the Corps but never really earned the title, or even know what it was about. Even though you've thrown it around to others on this board, they know the truth. Was your enlistment a "fraud"? As far as what YOU think about me, I really could care less because those that are damned do not bother me, especially when they judge me.
And yes, you're right about one thing, you don't know me.
Have fun with the criminals.:boohoo:
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You don't know me either, Clem. Yes, many know me on this board, and they know my character, my personality, and my heart. As does God. I am not judging you, God will do that. No, my enlistment was not a fraud. I was a damn good Marine. You are just sticking up for "the good 'ole boy" network that women know and have been persecuted with in many ways.

Your anger shows your true nature, and it is sad indeed. You are a pitiful man, bereft of any kind of compassion, love of country or duty. Your reply just makes you look foolish, sir.
 
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Fulltimer

Inactive
It is far easier to defend yourself from a common criminal. The police criminal wears armor and is harder to kill in self defense and there are always reprecussions.


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alchemike

alchemike

Veteran Member
let's put it this way...

a crimal law enforcement officer, at any level, is more dangerous than a criminal who is not an l.e.o...

and a criminal law enforcement officer is any such officer who breaks laws that are constitutional and/or enforces laws that are not...

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mike
 
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USDA

Veteran Member
Having been robbed by two hoodlums, cars broken into...various things stolen...but adding it all up...Criminals of the usual variety have harmed me least.

Government thugs, including politicans and bad and careless cops have taken from me far more money and produced more potiential and actual harm to my family than any so called...street criminal.

I can control, to a degree my contact with the criminal element in my city...but the thugs that write and enforce bad laws...take my money through taxes, fines and our right confenscation...are far more difficult to defend against.

I fear the thug with bad laws and law enforcement backing him up...more than I do the street thug or drug dealer.
 
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Cascade Failure

Senior Member
bleep2u2 said:
The police are more dangerous by far. 6 of them can beat you to death and you arent supposed to resist. Thankfully Ive lived long enough that I will take one with me if Im ever wrongfully hit or gun on me. A man I called a best friend before he became a cop died a so-called hero on the Fort Worth police department. I know for a fact while he was a cop he was a wife beating ,drug taking ,sadistic (killer) ,drunk. Without a gun and club the man was a coward. Woe unto the person he stopped on a lonely road. Fraid it woulda been him or me. No way this guy knew any restraint. Unfortunately other cops Ive known are screwed up people running around with a gun and a badge.
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Sounds like he would have been a scumbag no mattered what his job was...
 
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Michiana MaJo

Deceased
What an interesting topic. It is my opinion that people living in small communities are more likely to have police as friends and neighbors, and have little to fear from them as long as the citizens are law abiding.

However, from all the things I hear, people in the big cities are more likely to have cops who enjoy and misuse their power. Listening to a radio program, the other day, I heard how various cities (and some small towns) are getting military items such as bayonets, turrets (I didn't catch what they were for), and many other frightening ways to intimidate and even possibly kill those who they felt were a menace, in any way. I've read how they use powerful and sadistic means to stop protestors, regardless whether there are elderly and young children who happen to be nearby. All you have to do is watch an Alex Jones video and see the brutal tactics some policemen use.

And, tazering seems to be the weapon of choice, so much, anymore. Even on little old ladies in a nursing home! Tazering has been known to kill people, and it is being used in so many cases where it is not needed. I'm amazed and frightened at the callousness of so many of the police, anymore, but they are being trained to think WE are criminals, anymore....it is the PLAN for them to become militaristic.
I've heard a former cop talk on the radio, how the older policemen are not of that mindset, but the newer cops are trained to suspect everyone....like WE are all potential criminals.

One radio program I listened to this week lamented how police can come into your home and search it. The talk show host (a kindly old gentleman who is not making this up) told how this couple had $1500. cash in the house, and the police took it away, questioning why they would need that kind of money in the house. The couple never was able to get it back---their word against the cops. This is not America, anymore.....it is Amerika. Makes you wonder just what is safe.

But, to answer the question, I don't know who I am most afraid of......if I lived in a big city, I think I would equally fear the police and the criminals, tho we have to depend on the police force for protection. And, that is a sad state of affairs! Living in a small community, I think the local police still are to be trusted.
 
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old bear

Deceased
I have been a cop and as a civilian I have dealt with some real criminals.
The criminals do scare me, but NOT as much as the police.
If I have a run in with criminals I am allowed to fight back. The criminals are not usually as well armed as cops, and can't call for "back up" if their robbery goes wrong.

I saw a Escondido, California "police Officer" execute a wounded , handcuffed, man laying face down on the side walk.
The cop(SWAT)Stuck a M-16 to the back of his head and pulled the trigger. The cop did not get in trouble for this, even though it was video taped, and the tape was gives as evidence
Yeah I fear the police.
I have more reason than most, because I have been one.
The criminals are not going to be the ones kicking your doors down when the politicians decide it is time to take your guns.
 
Uncle Screwtape

Uncle Screwtape

Mumbler
I have little fear of cops in general, most are very good men/women.

Criminals, yeah they scare me a bit, most are a little nuts or high.

Cops who engage in criminal behavior, those would be the scarriest; wolves in sheep-dog clothing. Rare but very dangerous.
 
brandyh29

brandyh29

Inactive
Im only gonna make a quick comment on here & then Im gonna leave this thread alone, because I cannot believe what Im reading on here.
Expose hit the nail on the head, our gov't has gotten something far worse coming when martial law is declared, our local boys in blue are not what you need to be worried about.
I know there are crooked cops out there, they're probably in every town, but the media has succeded in turning people against local law enforcement. It is NOT as bad as yall are making it out to be. I know cops, lots of cops personally & they are good awesome people.
You know what, my husband, one of those 'evil' cops, almost didnt make it home last night. A freakin mexican pulled a gun on him. The guy was less than 5 feet away from my husband. When he came in this morning & told me about it, I thought he was joking. But no he was serious. He's lucky to have made it home alive this morning. My husband runs that risk every time he goes in to work.
This anticop stuff is insane. Criminals are the bad guys, not vice versa.
Now Im gonna get off this thread.
 
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WorldWatcher2

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brandyh29 said:
Im only gonna make a quick comment on here & then Im gonna leave this thread alone, because I cannot believe what Im reading on here.
Expose hit the nail on the head, our gov't has gotten something far worse coming when martial law is declared, our local boys in blue are not what you need to be worried about.
I know there are crooked cops out there, they're probably in every town, but the media has succeded in turning people against local law enforcement. It is NOT as bad as yall are making it out to be. I know cops, lots of cops personally & they are good awesome people.
You know what, my husband, one of those 'evil' cops, almost didnt make it home last night. A freakin mexican pulled a gun on him. The guy was less than 5 feet away from my husband. When he came in this morning & told me about it, I thought he was joking. But no he was serious. He's lucky to have made it home alive this morning. My husband runs that risk every time he goes in to work.
This anticop stuff is insane. Criminals are the bad guys, not vice versa.
Now Im gonna get off this thread.
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I'm as shocked as you are brandyh29 :shkr:
 
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Rippled

Veteran Member
There are always a few bad apples in any organizations. One or two bad cops can make the entire force look bad. I know several who have this big man/tuff guy syndrone and like to push their authority around. They usually end up learning a lesson the hard way. The majority are good guys and not thugs.
Criminals are all bad ... but I don't fear them.
 
MtnGal

MtnGal

Has No Life - Lives on TB
There is a new breed of cop out there and yes, they do scare me.

I've had friends and family who were in law enforcement. Just regular hard working people who believed in life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Off duty they partied and maybe drove home after drinking like most of us have. They played with their kids, loved their family and worked in the garden like everyday people. They were kind and looked for hope in dealing with the public.

Today the public is different. The pressure of every day life is different. There is no pulling together. People don't know their neighbors. When I grew up we knew everyone living around us. We went to school together, we went to church together. We helped each other. We had each other's back.

Today we often times don't know our neighbors. We don't stand together as a community. We don't have each other's back. If there is a bad apple in the neighborhood they can rot the whole neighborhood because there is no standing together against them.

So the criminal today has no hope without the community helping turn them around when they are still young.

I'm more afraid of the Liberal who changed all the laws to allow the criminal to "be bad to the bone" at age 12.

So, the LEO today has to be hard. A lot of them think they are above the law.

I'm more afraid of the Liberal who changed the laws.
 
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