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Mass Slaughter In Our Schools: The Terrorists' Chilling Plan?
By Chuck Remsberg
Senior PoliceOne Contributor

Part 1 of 3
Probably the last place you want to think of terrorists striking is your kids' school. But according to two trainers at an anti-terrorism conference on the East Coast, preparations for attacks on American schools that will bring rivers of blood and staggering body counts are well underway in Islamic terrorist camps.

* The intended attackers have bluntly warned us they're going to do it.
* They're already begun testing school-related targets here.They've given us a catastrophic model to train against, which we've largely ignored and they've learned more deadly tactics from.

"We don't know for sure what they will do. No one knows the future. But by definition, a successful attack is one we are not ready for," declared one of the instructors, Lt. Col. Dave Grossman. Our schools fit that description to a "T"-as in Terrorism and Threat.

Grossman, the popular law enforcement motivational speaker, and Todd Rassa, a trainer with the SigArms Academy and an advisory board member for The Police Marksman magazine, shared a full day's agenda on the danger to U.S. schools at a recent three-day conference on terrorist issues, sponsored by the International Assn. of Law Enforcement Firearms Instructors (IALEFI) in Atlantic City.

They reminded the audience that patrol officers, including perhaps some with their own children involved, will inevitably be the first responders when terrorists hit. And they documented chilling descriptions of the life-or-death challenges that likely will be faced.

In Part 1 of this three-part report on highlights of their presentations we focus on what's
known about the threat to our schools to date, why terrorists have selected them as targets, and what tactics you're likely to be up against in responding to a sudden strike.

In Parts 2 and 3, we'll explore Grossman's and Rassa's recommendations for practical measures you and your agency can take now to get ready, including some defensive actions that don't require any budget allocations.

Why schools? Two reasons:
1. Our values. "The most sacred thing to us is our children, our babies," Rassa said. Killing hundreds of them at a time would significantly "boost Islamic morale and lower that of the enemy" (us). In Grossman's words, terrorists see this effort as "an attempt to defile our nation" by leaving it "stunned to its soul."


2. Our lack of preparation. Police agencies "aren't used to this," Rassa said. "We deal with acts of a criminal nature. This is an act of war," but because of our laws "we can't depend on the military to help us," at least at the outset.

Indeed, Grossman claimed, "the U.S. in the one nation in the world where the military is not the first line of defense against domestic terrorist attacks. By law, you the police officer are our Delta Force. It is your job to go in, while in most other nations cops will wait for the military to come save their kids."

School personnel, Rassa said, "are not even close" to being either mentally or physically prepared. "Most don't even have response plans for handling a single active shooter. Their world is taught to nurture and care for people. They don't want to deal with this."

The American public, "sticking their heads in the sand, can't be mentally prepared," he said. "They're going to freak when it happens," their stubborn denial making the crisis "all the more shocking."

Noting that "sheep have two speeds: 'graze' and 'stampede,'" Grossman predicted that "not a parent in the nation will send their kids to school the next day"-perhaps for many days-after a large-scale terrorist massacre. If day-care centers-"also on the terrorists' list"-are hit as well, "parents will drop out of the work force" en masse to protect their children and "our economy will be devastated."

How we know they're coming.
Al-Qaeda has publicly asserted the "right" to kill 2,000,000 American children, Rassa explained, and has warned that "operations are in stages of preparation" now. He played vivid videotapes confiscated in Afghanistan, showing al-Qaeda terrorists practicing the takeover of a school. The trainees issue commands in English, rehearse separating youngsters into manageable groups and meeting any resistance with violence. Some "hostages" are taken to the rooftop, dangled over the edge, then "shot."

"Any place that has given [Islamic terrorists] trouble, they've come after the kids," Grossman said. Muslim religious literature, according to Rassa, states clearly that the killing of children not only is "permitted" in Islam but is "approved" by Mohammed, so long as the perpetrators "are striving for the general good" as interpreted by that religion.

He cited instances in Indonesia where girls on their way to school have been beheaded and in other countries where children have been shot, mutilated, raped or burned alive.

In this country this year ['06], Rassa said, there have been several school bus-related incidents involving Middle Eastern males that raise suspicion of terrorist activity. These include the surprise boarding of a school bus in Florida by two men in trench coats, who may have been on a canvassing mission, and the attempt in New York State by an Arab male to obtain a job as a school bus driver using fraudulent Social Security documents. The latter gave an address in Detroit, home to a large colony of fundamentalist Muslims.

Rassa claimed that floor plans for half a dozen schools in Virginia, Texas and New Jersey have been recovered from terrorist hands in Iraq.

The terrorists' tactical model.
A "dress rehearsal for what terrorists plan to do to us" has already taken place, Rassa and Grossman agreed. That was the brutal takedown in 2004 of a school that served children from 6 to 17 years old in Beslan, Russia.

Some 100 terrorists were involved, nearly half of whom were discreetly embedded in the large crowd of parents, staff and kids who showed up for the first day of school; the rest arrived for the surprise attack in SUVs, troop carriers and big sedans. Across a three-day siege, 700 people were wounded and 338 killed, including 172 youngsters.

If a similar assault were launched against a school in your jurisdiction, how would you and your agency respond? Consider this modest sampling of challenges that were deliberately planned or arose from the ensuing chaos at Beslan, as outlined by Rassa:

* The school was chosen because it was one of the taller buildings in the area and had a very complicated floor plan, making a rapid and effective counter-assault by responders extremely difficult. Offender weaponry included AK-47s, sniper rifles, RPGs and explosives, with everything the terrorists needed carried in on their backs. RPGs were fired at a responding military helicopter and at troops.

* More than 1,000 men, women and children, including babies, were penned in an unventilated gym and a cafeteria. As the days passed without food or water and inside temperatures rose to 115 degrees, survivors were eating flowers they'd brought for teachers and fighting for urine to drink out of their shoes in desperation. Women and some children were repeatedly and continuously raped.
* Adult males and larger male students were used as "forced labor" to help fortify the building, then shot to death. Bodies were thrown out of an upper-story window, down onto a courtyard. Attempts at negotiation by responders were used by the terrorists strictly as an opportunity to buy time to solidify their fortifications.

* Surviving hostages were surrounded by armed guards standing on deadman switches, wired to explosives. All entrances to the building as well as stairwells and some interior doorways were booby-trapped. Youngsters were forced to sit on window sills to serve as shields for snipers. "Black widows" (potential suicide bombers) were rigged so their bomb belts could be detonated by remote control when leaders considered the timing was right. The terrorists stayed cranked up on some type of amphetamine to keep awake.

* Armed, outraged parents and other civilians, some of them drunk, showed up and started "rolling gunfights" outside in a futile effort to defeat the takeover. The crowd identified one embedded terrorist and "literally ripped him apart." The media was everywhere, unrestrained. So many people were milling around that responders often could not establish a clear field of fire.

* When troops finally stormed the school in a counter-assault on the third day, "pure pandemonium" reigned. Soldiers and the kids they were trying to rescue were gunned down mercilessly. Explosions touched off inside started multiple fires.

* Responders who made it inside had to jump over trip wires as they "ran" up stairs under fire from above. By then terrorists were holding hostages in virtually every room. Rescue teams were subjected to continual ambushes. Gunfights occurred predominately within a 6-ft. range, with some responders having to fight for their lives in places so cramped they couldn't get off their hands and knees.

* Some children successfully rescued from the building were so crazed by thirst that they ran to an outdoor spigot and were killed by a grenade as they filled their hands with water.

* Terrorists who escaped during the melee ran to homes of embedded sympathizers who hid them successfully and were not immediately suspected because they were considered "non-strangers" in the community. Some townspeople who volunteered to help as stretcher bearers for the injured were, in fact, embedded terrorists.

* During the siege "at least four people or agencies claimed to be in charge. Actually, no one was in charge and no one wanted to be."

"Osama bin Laden has promised that what has happened in Russia will happen to us many times over," Grossman warned. "And Osama tries very hard never to lie to us."

What's likely here.
Probably not so many terrorists involved at a single location. Moving that big a contingent into place would likely attract too much attention and thwart the attack. Grossman describes a more likely possibility, in his opinion:

Terrorist cells of four operatives each might strike simultaneously at four different schools. They may pick elementary schools, or middle schools with no police officers on site, where the girls are "old enough to rape" but students are not big enough to fight back effectively.

The targets may be in states "with no concealed-carry laws and no hunting culture" and in communities where "police do not have rifles." Rural areas could be favored, where 30 minutes or more might be required for responders to arrive in force.

The attackers will probably "mow down every kid and teacher they see" as they move in to seize the school. They may plant bombs throughout the buildings, and "rape, murder and throw out bodies like they did in Russia." Emergency vehicles responding and children fleeing will be blown up by car bombs in the parking lot.

In all, 100 to 300 children could be slaughtered in a first strike.

Terrorists capable of this are already embedded in communities "all over America," Grossman and Rassa agreed. More will probably gain entry surreptitiously from Mexico, making southern California potentially a prime target.

No time for despair.
It's a grim picture, for certain. "But if we think there's nothing we can do to prepare, that is a defeatist mentality," Rassa said. "We ought to be trying. If we're not trying, we're failing. We may as well give up our guns and surrender now.

"I can't think of a better thing to train up for than protecting our kids. If we try but fall short, look at how much else we'll still be able to handle than we can now.

"What made most of us do active-shooter training? The killings at Columbine. Are we going to wait for something far worse than that before we do the most that we can to stop the terrorists who are coming for our schools?"

Part 2 of 3

"4 Ds" For Thwarting Terrorists' Plans To Massacre Our School Children
[Editor's Note: In Part 1, we documented the plans of Islamic terrorists to strike U.S. schools in murderous raids, claiming the lives of hundreds of children, as reported at a recent anti-terrorism conference, sponsored by the International Assn. of Law Enforcement Firearms Instructors (IALEFI). In Part 2, we summarize countermeasures proposed by one of the conference instructors, Lt. Col. Dave Grossman, author of the popular books On Killing and On Combat.]

As Instructor Todd Rassa pointed out in our first installment, if we are not trying to prepare for and thwart the daunting terrorist threat to our schools and children, we are, in effect, conceding defeat and surrendering without a battle to those who would obliterate us.

There is no simple master plan for an easy victory. But the cumulative effect of many seemingly small countermeasures, effectively applied on a large scale by individual officers and their agencies, can have a powerful impact.

Here are some of the practicalities that Trainer Dave Grossman suggested we consider in beginning to address the critical problem of terrorists coming for our kids.

First mission.
That's overcoming denial. And where schools and terrorist attacks are concerned, denial abounds.

U.S. schools continue to take extensive and overt measures to guard students against the threat of fire, with drills, alarms, sprinkler systems, building codes, etc.-even though there has not been a single child killed by fire in any American school in the last 25 years, Grossman declared.

In contrast, well over 200 deaths have occurred from school violence by active shooters and other non-terrorist offenders over the last dozen years, and Islamic fundamentalists are believed to be plotting attacks that will claim hundreds of child casualties in a single blow. Yet efforts to significantly harden schools as a target of violence have, for the most part, been slow, timid or nonexistent.

"We need to treat the threat of violence like the threat of fire. But if you try to prepare for violence, people think you're crazy, paranoid," Grossman said.

"Denial is the enemy. It's a big, fluffy white blanket we pull up over our eyes to convince ourselves the bad men are never going to come. And while we pull that blanket up, bad guys come and kick us in the crotch.

"Let's face the lessons terrorists have already taught us in blood and lives. They are coming, and they may well come for our schools, our kids. We've had all the warning in the world. And if we continue living in denial, then all the lives they've claimed to date have been sacrificed for nothing."

Grossman's 4 Ds.
Besides working to eliminate the big D (denial), Grossman cited four others we need to focus on:

1. Deter
An armed police presence in a school can provide strong deterrence against attack, Grossman argued. "Terrorists are willing to die, but they desperately don't want to die for nothing, without completing their tactical objective. They want a body count."

To squelch would-be attackers, many Israeli schools deploy on-site police at squad-level strength, and armed guards accompany all class fieldtrips, usually one per 10 students. But even with a single armed officer in a school, "the prospects of a massacre go way down," Grossman said.

Having unarmed security in or around schools is both pointless and ethically derelict, in his opinion. "Don't give someone responsibility for human lives and not give them the tools to do the job. You wouldn't give a firefighter just a hat, uniform and badge, and no hose or water."

Should teachers be armed? At least two states (Utah and New Hampshire) now authorize concealed-carry permits in schools, according to Grossman, and the Federal Safe Schools Act allows for it. Faculty with military experience and a willingness to receive additional training could be a starting point.

"Even one or two armed teachers in a school can make a difference," Grossman said. But given the current American mind-set, "you have to push this envelope very gently."

2. Detect
"The ultimate achievement is a terrorist takeover that doesn't start," Grossman said. And officers being suspicious-"doing what cops do"-are well positioned to interrupt attack plans before they culminate.

Follow good criminal patrol procedures on traffic stops, for instance, by asking probing questions and being alert for contradictions, inconsistencies, irrationalities, unduly nervous behavior and other indicators of deceit and guilty behavior. Be aware of what you can see inside vehicles or on subjects that may merit closer investigation.

Watch for signs of static or mobile surveillance of potential targets. Terrorists "always conduct a recon," which may involve photographing or videotaping a prospective site, Grossman said. Don't limit your suspicions just to persons who fit the stereotypical terrorist profile. "There are terrorists who are blond and blue eyed."

Inform schools to report any calls from people inquiring about security. Someone claiming to be a concerned parent wanting to know if any armed officers are on the premises may in fact be an operative gauging the vulnerability of the location. The staffer taking the call should jot down the caller ID number and note the precise time and the phone line the call came in on to facilitate follow up checking by police. "Any time terrorists bounce off a hard target is a chance to catch them."

3. Delay
If terrorists do strike, "one man or woman with effective fire from behind cover inside the school can hold off a group of attackers for 5 minutes," saving lives by buying time until police responders "can get in the door," Grossman claimed.

Meantime, at the first hint of trouble, teachers and children should kick in to a preplanned and frequently rehearsed three-step "lock-down model," he recommended. "Sheltering" children in place, as has been attempted in various school shootings, is more likely to be dangerous than protective. Instead, Grossman advises potential victims to:

* Move away from violence, which otherwise tends to be "mesmerizing and paralyzing"
* Move to a pre-selected secure location, someplace "secure enough to keep the bad guys out until the cops come in"
* Move again if you have reason to feel threatened at that spot. "Lock-down does not mean hunker down and die," Grossman said.

"As a last resort," there may be times when a teacher would need the courage to "go toward an attacker." Grossman cited a case in which an active shooter broke a window in a classroom door and reached through to release the locked knob. Teacher and students cowered inside and just waited, whereas a teacher might have "grabbed a chair and attacked his hand" and possibly have delayed or deterred a fatal assault.

Plans on paper "mean nothing," Grossman reminded. "You have to get the schools to rehearse" anti-terrorist scenarios. "Principals have been fired for not doing fire drills," and yet the terrorist threat these days is so much greater. Where are our priorities?

4. Destroy
As a responding officer, you have to be fully prepared, mentally and physically, to use deadly force to stop the threat. "It is your job to put a chunk of steel in your fist and kill the sons-of-bitches who are coming to kill your kids," Grossman declared in an emotional crescendo in his presentation.

"Fight from the very beginning. Don't wait, thinking you'll fight later." Referring to the terrorist massacre at the school in Beslan, Russia, which we described in Part 1 of this series, Grossman said: "Every minute the Russians waited, the target got harder." If you hesitate in responding, "you'll die with a bullet in the back of your head in front of children."

Part 3 of 3

How To Prepare Yourself For Terrorist Attacks On Our Schools
[Editor's note: In previous installments, we documented the plans of Islamic terrorists to murder hundreds of U.S. school children, as reported at a recent anti-terrorism conference sponsored by the International Assn. of Law Enforcement Firearms Instructors (IALEFI), and we summarized counter measures proposed by Lt. Col. Dave Grossman.

In this final report, we explore recommendations of another conference speaker, Todd Rassa, a trainer with the SigArms Academy and a member of the advisory board for The Police Marksman magazine. We conclude with Grossman's suggestions of what LE agencies can do to defend our schools despite current budget restraints.]

Trainer Todd Rassa considers active-shooter training, which is now being embraced by more and more departments, as "a good start," but he warned that much more is needed to adequately protect our children from terrorist attacks on schools.

Here are some of the items he enumerated for a conscientious "to do" list:

Rassa's recommendations.
1. Train every patrol officer in bomb awareness, crowd management, riot control, ballistic shield tactics, team firing drills and other response skills likely to be needed for a mass school takedown. Responsibility for an immediate effective response will most probably fall heavily on street cops, given the activation time for most SWAT teams.

2. Proper equipment needs to be readied. "Patrol rifles are needed now-as many as possible with as much ammunition as possible," Rassa stressed. Also ballistic shields, helmets and other protective devices for every officer. Have a plan in place to get large amounts of additional ammo to the scene ASAP.
Soft body armor may prove inadequate, but extras should be available anyway in a better-than-nothing effort to protect fleeing hostages by draping vests and ballistic blankets over them. Armored transport vehicles may prove crucial. Less-lethal rounds may be useful for crowd control, but will be futile to attempt against terrorists.

3. Work with school officials to anticipate problems and realistically rewrite their emergency plans. "They are not going to fix themselves," Rassa predicted. Cross-train with school personnel and consider involving community leaders with training on crowd-control tactics and intel collection. Manpower and tactics will be needed to handle "outraged, violent parents" if a siege develops.
SROs, who likely will be targeted by terrorists as first casualties, need training on "surveillance awareness, including real-life testing of school security" by would-be invaders.

4. Expand your active-shooter training to include "large, complicated, multi-adversary scenarios and exercises," Rassa urged. Practice against a booby-trapped environment, simultaneous attacks from multiple levels, ambushes from the rear. Rehearse tactics for CQB with both pistol and rifle.
Also practice counter-assaults on school buses. "What if terrorists hijacked a couple of buses and drove them into a school? What if they hijacked several and spread them out across your town?"

5. Incorporate suicide-bomber shooting drills into your firearms training for every officer. That should include "practicing head shots from a distance with a pistol after running." Build the ability to shoot while moving into your qualifications. Also integrate self-defense DT into firearms training-"blending two important worlds that usually never meet." Even consider training with AK-47s and other "exotic" weapons that may be in your property room, on the chance you may have to use the weapons of neutralized terrorists if yours run empty.

6. Thoroughly familiarize yourself with your schools. Videotape them inside and out and collect and review floor plans, making sure they are kept up to date as remodeling projects take place. Work with schools to get classroom numbers put on street signs and mounted on the exterior. Also check to see if computers in your squad cars can be made compatible with CCTV cameras inside the building, so you can tie in to what's going inside in event of trouble.

7. As a parent, you may want to falsify your occupation (as a police office) on school records so your child will not be easily identified as a desirable hostage.

8. And, of course, stage frequent incident-command training and exercises, so multiple jurisdictions and multiple disciplines (fire, police, EMS, city services, etc.) learn the importance of putting political egos and turf wars aside in the interest of saving children's lives.

Agency actions that don't take $$$
Dave Grossman, the well-known author of On Killing and On Combat, concluded IALEFI's excellent conference with suggestions of how LE agencies can improve their protection of schools without further straining already tight budgets.

1. Encourage officers always to carry off-duty. Always.
No one can predict where a given officer might be when terrorists strike. What if you were off-duty on a visit to your child's school; would you have the primary life-saving tool of your profession with you? Remember, Grossman said, "One person behind cover with effective fire can hold down a whole company of invaders for 5 minutes" while help arrives.
" If we stop them dead in one school and kill them before they kill kids, that will convince the country that we can fight back. If they fail in one school, that will undermine their plan.
" If you walk out off-duty without your gun, every time you pass a fire exit or see a fire extinguisher, say to yourself, 'Firefighters have made more preparations than I have.' Plant the seed with other officers. Once you tell them, they can't not think about it."

2. Exploit opportunities to expand your equipment inventory.

* Many cash-strapped agencies now encourage officers to buy and carry their own rifles on duty. If certain standards and training are maintained, that's a quick way to strengthen your counter-force.

* Officers should also be encouraged to prepare and ride with "go bags" that can be slung over their shoulder as they head into a crisis. Loaded with backup boxes of pistol and rifle ammo, these can be comforting safeguards against running dry in a firefight, where "three magazines can easily be burned up in less than a minute."

* Get the name and phone number of every private owner of a helicopter in your area and coordinate with them ahead of time a plan for pressing their chopper into service in an emergency. Even news agencies might be willing to cooperate if promised "great footage" in exchange for transporting officers to a siege site. As medivac helicopters go in, they should come in full of armed police, and go out full of wounded.
" There will be gridlock chaos on the ground within moments wherever an attack comes," Grossman said. "Helicopters can be great for getting firepower in and wounded out." Practice hovering over schools and landing personnel on the flat roofs that most have.

* Envision fire hoses as "crew-served weapons." At a terrorist scene, hoses can be used not only "to put out fires that may be caused by booby traps" but can also "knock a combatant out of a window 50 yards away-an incredibly effective weapon."
A firefighter directing the hose can be protected behind two officers holding ballistic shields and two officers behind the shields with rifles, Grossman suggested. Obviously, this tactic requires practice well before it's needed.

3. Build the right mind-set in your troops.
As a police officer, "you have to have your heart and mind ready," Grossman said. "In our nation, the military is not coming to save your kids. You are the Delta Force. It's your job to go in like thunder when they come to kill your kids and destroy your way of life.
" Get training-all you can. Advance steadily along the warrior path. Live life in Condition Yellow, vigilant readiness. Cultivate hobbies that reinforce your survival skills."
He conjured a bumper sticker that says, Piss on golf. Real Americans go to the range. "We don't have time for childish pursuits," he declared.
" Most people in our society are sheep. Wolves will feed on them without hesitation. Anyone who thinks there are no wolves is in denial.
" You are the sheepdog, the protector. When bad stuff comes, the sheepdog is prepared, even eager. If you are not ready, who is?"

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About Charles Remsberg
Chuck co-founded the original Street Survival Seminar and the Street Survival Newsline, authored three of the best-selling law enforcement training textbooks, and helped produce numerous award-winning training videos. His nearly three decades of work earned him the prestigious O.W. Wilson Award for outstanding contributions to law enforcement and the American Police Hall of Fame Honor Award for distinguished achievement in public service.


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momof23goats

Deceased
thanks halebobb for posting this. and i think it is past time to arm teachers, and students over 17. train them, an darm them.
 

PilotFighter

Bomb & Bullet Technician
You know, I plume forgot about what happened at the girls school past school year. I remember posting about it here. There was a small Cesna that approached the school house from the east, lined up right in the middle of the building, and looked like it was diving for the middle of the roof, dead center of the school house. The plane pulled up and cleared the top of the building by no more than 20 feet at most. Myself and other parents had already started getting out of our cars to make a run up to the building, then the plane pulled up and went along on it's merry little way off to the west. Myself and the other parents got the hell scared out of us. We all informed the principal of the incident and she said she would report it. Never heard one way or another what became of it. But man after reading this, it sure makes you wonder. Thank God they are in a different school this year.
 

NBCsurvivor

Has No Life - Lives on TB
You know, I plume forgot about what happened at the girls school past school year. I remember posting about it here. There was a small Cesna that approached the school house from the east, lined up right in the middle of the building, and looked like it was diving for the middle of the roof, dead center of the school house. The plane pulled up and cleared the top of the building by no more than 20 feet at most. Myself and other parents had already started getting out of our cars to make a run up to the building, then the plane pulled up and went along on it's merry little way off to the west. Myself and the other parents got the hell scared out of us. We all informed the principal of the incident and she said she would report it. Never heard one way or another what became of it. But man after reading this, it sure makes you wonder. Thank God they are in a different school this year.


I remember you posting about that.
 

PilotFighter

Bomb & Bullet Technician
Here it is, I knew I wasn't crazy. It was on a thread running in the BS. It was post #41 on the thread. It was back on Feb. 13th. It was a white Cesna with no markings at all on the thing. Another strange thing that hits me when remembering back on this. This could be done the same way on any of the new school houses here in Mobile County. Every one of them are using just about the same floor plan when building, and look just alike.

http://www.timebomb2000.com/vb/showthread.php?t=229237&highlight=lined+middle+building
 

ejagno

Veteran Member
How do you fight something like that?

Remodeling their schools into glass parking lots sounds like a good deterent.

Seriously, it's every parents worse nightmare and you can't fight sick minds because we can't think like them.:shk:
 

Dozdoats

Deceased
...you can't fight sick minds because we can't think like them

Only because we in America have our own peculiar brand of sickness. We love the warm fuzzy blanket of self-deception, and that is our sickness. We refuse to look squarely in the face of the monster and confront it realistically. We'd rather simper, whimper and quiver than grow some spine. Guns in schools? Get effing real. We suspend little boys who draw PICTURES of guns in school.

We are more willing to place our children on an altar as a willing sacrifice to terror than to take simple measures to protect them. Israel arms its teachers. We should also.

The status quo in America disgusts me. The most telling line in the article above? "sheep have two speeds: 'graze' and 'stampede" That about nails us.

dd
 

dcamp2002

Inactive
The UnPrayer:

Now I sit me down in school where praying is against the rule.
For this great nation under God finds mention of Him very odd.
If Scripture now the class recites, it violates the Bill of Rights.
And anytime my head I bow becomes a Federal matter now.
Our hair can be purple, orange or green, that's no offense; it's a freedom scene.
The law is specific, the law is precise. Prayers spoken aloud are a serious vice.
For praying in a public hall, might offend someone with no faith at all.
In silence alone we must meditate, God's name is prohibited by the state.
We're allowed to cuss and dress like freaks, and pierce our noses, tongues and cheeks.
They've outlawed guns, but FIRST the Bible. To quote the Good Book makes me liable.
We can elect a pregnant Senior Queen, and the 'unwed daddy' our Senior King.
It's "inappropriate" to teach right from wrong. We're taught that such "judgments" do not belong.
We can get our condoms and birth control, study witchcraft, vampires and totem poles. But the Ten Commandments are not allowed.
It's scary here I must confess, when chaos reigns the school's a mess.
So, Lord, this silent plea I make:Should I be shot; My soul please take!Amen!

Author Unknown

David
 

Emcomus

<~Knights of Malta
"Lets Roll!" Drop off kids with SHOTGUN

How about dropping off your childern with a nice shotgun loaded with deer slugs?

Hang out for about 10 minutes in the parking lot (as long as the gun is handy but put away, and the school knows you and your vehicle) you could stop a small gang of potential arm assilants entering the school. I know at most schools there are the "parking lot club" of parents, who just mill around after dropping off their kids. ALMOST ALWAYS SCHOOL INVASIONS START EARLY IN THE DAY

Most likely the terrorist will come "flying" into the parking lot, slam on the brakes, and jump out with guns exposed (esp. if they are pumped up on speed).

By that time I would have the first shot chambered and be heading towards them with my SUV. I would see if I could confuse them by trying run a few of the SOB's over, with my gun blazing out of the window. I would pitty any student, teacher, or parent who got between us. There would be no other alternative, but stopping the suspects before they got into the school.
 
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OldArcher

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Proactive solution...

Bush should inform the "Royal House" of Saud that if ONE American child is killed, maimed, raped, or otherwise harmed, Mecca will be turned to glass. Secondly, the Dome of the Rock and all Muslim "holy" places will be destroyed. Qum in Iran will become a glass parking lot, and EVERY mosque in the world will be a target, to be destroyed ASAP.

Only problem? Bush loves oil as much as he loves illegals...

Second idea? One American killed by terrorists, after having come across the boarder illegally? Press HARD to impeach Bush for not keeping with his oath to guard and protect the United States, from all enemies, both foriegn and domestic... THEN do option #1...

Third option? Use your heart and your head- the government will be powerless to defend you and yours... That will be either by lack of leadership, or by THEIR design... Such will signify that the Oath WE took, is now null and void...

IF Jorge Bush doesn't have the testicular fortitude to defend America, and holds back from proper responses to terrorists and terrorism, neither he, nor his Administration are viable...

Carter, 6.8mmSPC_Fan, out...:dstrs:
 
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Bush should inform the "Royal House" of Saud that if ONE American child is killed, maimed, raped, or otherwise harmed, Mecca will be turned to glass. Secondly, the Dome of the Rock and all Muslim "holy" places will be destroyed. Qum in Iran will become a glass parking lot, and EVERY mosque in the world will be a target, to be destroyed ASAP.


I second that notion.
 

rhughe13

Heart of Dixie
Brought to us by that 'religion' of peace, Islam!

Thanks to Bill Clinton, Sheehan, and the defeat-o-crats.

Yep, and get rid of all the politicians that loathe them being in our country.

Lets get back to the days where America didn't allow crap hole countries dumping their citizens here.
 

Old as dirt

Old as dirt
On Glen Beck show on TV tonight he is talking about this. And all week. Last night he said it is in the plans for a soon attack. He said there is right now 25 school buses in Houston that are missing. They took them from Private schools. He will elaborate tonight Tuesday on how they [ the terrorist ] intend to pull this off. Wednesday they Glen will talk about the day after. Bin Laden has been given permission to kill 2 million children in the USA. Glen called it a soft target. Glen said that the day after would start a civil war in USA. No amount of police or military could stop what the fathers will do to any muslim they see. Be sure to turn it on tonight.
 

workerbee

* Winter is Coming *
FYI, on Glenn's radio show today (Tue) re: the perfect day, he had on Brad Thor.

One of the dots was a terrorist captured in Iraq had schematic plans of some schools in the US. Those states (I didn't get all the cities, just states)

California
Oregon
Pennsylvania
Virginia
Texas
New Jersey

Guess I missed one, cause iirc, there were 7.

There is different info that suggests Georgia is involved as well.
 

1919A6

Inactive
The 2nd Amendment specifically mentions the

fact that "Real Americans go to the range". Not hard to see if you have ANY knowledge of the non-PC history of our nation. Remember, fill them Hollow Points with bacon grease and send them to hello by dropping the 'o'!
 

Caplock50

I am the Winter Warrior
And here's why I think it'll be 'Small-town, U.S.A.' that gets hit. A couple of years ago, My Son-in-law was working with the police here. He arrested a man who was photographing the middle school here. In his pocession, they found floor plans of the primary and middle school building, as well as lots of pictures. He came right out and told them he'd gotten the plans and was taking the pictures so he gcould get them to AlQ. Naturally, he was turned over to the F.B.I.
 
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Satanta

Stone Cold Crazy
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Remodeling their schools into glass parking lots sounds like a good deterent.

Seriously, it's every parents worse nightmare and you can't fight sick minds because we can't think like them.:shk:


No. You are thinking like an American. You 'remidel' what's important to them and it's not their kids as life means nothing to them.

Query- what do they really care about enough to die for?
 

lisa

Veteran Member
If they think America reacted after 9-11 they have NO idea what they'll be facing if they touch our children!
 

DrexHex

Inactive
If they think America reacted after 9-11 they have NO idea what they'll be facing if they touch our children!

And if America thinks the stock market reacted after 9-11, they have NO idea what they'll be facing if their children are attacked.
 

lilsparky

Contributing Member
My response for years (post 9/11) to all the PC liberals I've had the displeasure to encounter that think they are so right in their ant-war nonsense has been that while they are standing around in a circle singing Kum-bah-ya and wondering what could have made those nasty old terrorists so mad and how they can make it all better, that the bad guys would blow up their kids' school bus. It almost never fails to end the discussion.

If it doesn't, I throw in the fact that on a beautiful Tuesday morning in September, 3000 of our fellow Americans went to work and did not come home. This is unacceptable and CAN NOT ever happen again. We would be alot closer to assuring that it doesn't if the war on terrorism were allowed to progress as it should.

What is so difficult to understand about the fact that in order to defeat your enemy, you have to be worse than your enemy? Period.
 

Baloo

Veteran Member
If they think America reacted after 9-11 they have NO idea what they'll be facing if they touch our children!

I wish that was true. Maybe years ago. Media now will say its our fault. Most sheeple will believe so too.
 

Josie

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Question...do schools still allow regular backpacks or is everything have to be clear plastic so the contents can be seen? I only have one niece that is school age and I really have no idea of what she is allowed. It's a private, Catholic school.
 

Mad Spook

Senior Member
Schools used to require clear back packs, but not any more. They are back to the same old styles, various colors and non
see thru cloths or such. At all schools in this region area at least.
 

Maryh

Veteran Member
Two of my children are teachers near Cols. This is also worrying me. I only know that one of them has practiced what to do in an attack. She shoved her desk in front of the door and received praise for that move. Wow!
 

islandgirl

Contributing Member
I teach elementary school - public. Regular backpacks are allowed. I believe the only stipulation is they cannot be rolling because of safety issues - tripping.
Question...do schools still allow regular backpacks or is everything have to be clear plastic so the contents can be seen? I only have one niece that is school age and I really have no idea of what she is allowed. It's a private, Catholic school.
 

zookeeper9

Veteran Member
I thank God I home school my younger ones. My older ones are at college, so right now all I can do is pray for them and their safety.
 

smokin

Veteran Member
Link to some info on the Beslan school siege. It has happened before. Sobering info to what can happen.

http://martinfrost.ws/htmlfiles/beslan_siege.html

The Beslan school hostage crisis (also referred to as the Beslan school siege) began when armed terrorists took hundreds of school children and adults hostage on September 1, 2004, at School Number One in the Russian town of Beslan in North Ossetia. On September 3, 2004, the third day of the standoff, shooting broke out between the hostage-takers and Russian security forces. According to official data, 344 civilians were killed, 186 of them children, and hundreds more wounded.

Chechen warlord Shamil Basayev took responsibility for the hostage taking, reportedly led by his principal Ingush deputy Magomet Yevloyev.
 

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ginnie6

Veteran Member
I agree about arming the teachers! And older students. We homeschool and you can bet my kids teacher is armed :-)
 

nchomemaker

Veteran Member
Okay, so was this thread resurrected because of this?
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2014/08/o...to-murder-children-over-israel-hamas-conflict

Ohio: School on lockdown after Muslim threatens to murder children over Israel-Hamas conflict
Robert Spencer Aug 27, 2014 at 6:25pm

Hamas savagery comes to the U.S.: “He identified himself as ‘Mohammed Shehad’…My sense is that due to the way he identified himself it sounds like he was upset at Israel.” Or this could simply an attempt to “strike terror into the hearts of the enemies of Allah” (Qur’an 8:60), or even a jihad-chic hoax.

“Man Threatens to Murder Children Due to Israel-Hamas Conflict,” by Adam Kredo, Washington Free Beacon, August 27, 2014:


An Ohio school was placed on lockdown Wednesday after a man with a “heavy accent” phoned the school and threatened to murder children with an AK-47 due to the current conflict between Israel and Hamas, according to local police.

All schools in Pickerington, Ohio, were placed on lockdown after an unknown man made a threatening call to the Pickerington North High School, Fairfield County Sheriff Dave Phalen confirmed to the Washington Free Beacon.

The man, who claimed to have an AK-47, said he planned to launch an attack on the school and kill students over his apparent anger at the Middle East conflict, Phalen said.

“The school received a call [at around 11:15 a.m.] from a male with a heavy accent and he indicated that he was going to attack Pickerington North due to attacks on Israel and was going to kill the kids and that he had an AK-47 gun,” Phalen recounted.

“He identified himself as ‘Mohammed Shehad,’” or something similar to that, and claimed to live in the area, Phalen said, explaining that those who fielded the call were unsure precisely what last name the man provided.

“My sense is that due to the way he identified himself it sounds like he was upset at Israel,” though the individual’s exact motivations remain unclear, Phalen said. At this point, authorities “really don’t know what his frame of mind was or what he was thinking.”

All area schools were placed on “exterior lockdown” as a precautionary measure, the Columbus Dispatch reported.

School will resume on Thursday and an officer will be assigned to Pickerington North. Additional deputies will also be in the area, Phalen said.

Fairfield County detectives also are beginning to investigate the matter to determine the individual’s identity.

“We have detectives assigned to that; they’re working on trying to trace the phone number and identify the suspect,” Phalen said….
 

Ragnarok

On and On, South of Heaven
Welcome to the board!:)

While I agree that is the common sense thing to do, todays progressives will
never go for it. They would not do that if even 1000 youngins were hurt, or worse.

Some schools are arming teachers.

Hillsborough county, near my AO has armed security in every school.

Colonel Grossman, who penned the OP knows his stuff.
 
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