India developing e-bomb

http://www.kashmirwatch.com/showhea...chive=&start_from=&ucat=1&var0news=value0news

India developing e-bomb
Rajeev Sharma

New Delhi, June 9: India is working on an electro-magnetic bomb, or e-bomb as the lethal weapon of the future is called.

An e-bomb effectively knocks out power supplies, telecommunication networks and computers. Such a weapon is safe for humans and does not affect even the skin or the hair of humans. Its use can push the targeted area back by 200 years -- to such times when there was no electricity. E-bombs can unleash in a flash two billion watts of electrical power.

The Indian Institute of Technology (IIT), Kharagpur, is working on the e-bomb project, a weapon of electrical mass destruction. It is not uncommon in India that the Indian armed forces or the Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO) outsource work on national importance projects to IITs or other such premier national institutions.

India’s e-bomb project is believed to have made a lot of progress. It is understood that considerable R&D work is going on in further areas of e-bomb such as (i) antenna, (ii) simulators of electro-magnetic fields coupling to a system, and (iii) electro-magnetic impulse. The objective is to make this system compact and light weight so that it can be used as a deliverable bomb.

The existence of a deliverable e-bomb is not known anywhere in the world, though countries like the US and Russia have been working on such weapons for three or four decades and even China has embarked on its own e-bomb project.

E-bombs can have application across broad spectrum of strategic and tactical spheres and can be used in attacking fundamental information programmes and communication facilities of a target system. The weapon will produce paralysis in any target system, thus providing a decisive advantage in conduct of electronic combat and offensive counter and strategic air attacks.

E-bomb is an affordable force-multiplier for the armies of the world. E-bombs can be delivered through Cruise missiles, unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs) or as an aerial bomb.

There is an important area of concern for the Indian security and strategic forces in the context of e-bombs -- flux compression generator (FCG) devices. The Indian strategic establishment is studying this aspect in detail because it fears that Pakistan could in future use e-bombs against Bangalore, India’s Silicon Valley. The "late-time EMP effect" is the most worrisome aspect of FCG devices. It occurs in 15 minutes after detonation.[ The Tribune, India ]

They of all people should not be playing with that can of worms. They have far more to loose than any one else.

Unless they are learning how to prevent the effect on themselves.

ofuzzy1 said:

They of all people should not be playing with that can of worms. They have far more to loose than any one else.

Unless they are learning how to prevent the effect on themselves.

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There is supposed ancient history showing that nuclear weapons have been used in India before (scroll down):

http://www.nexusmagazine.com/articles/ancatomicwar2.html

Maybe they've forgotten?

The bad news:
Quite a few countries besides the US, the UK, Israel, and Russia, already have e-bombs, both FCG and MHD based units. They are very simple to make, and very inexpensive.

The good news:
Almost all of the e-bomb designs are one shot, meaning that one bomb can cause one blast.

The better news:
They have a VERY small illumination area AND they are point source, so as they try to raise the distance from the device to the target to cover a wider area, the power levels fall by a factor of the square of the distance. Explode the device twice as far up, get 1/4th of the power to the target. They are mainly designed for targets that are a small city wide or smaller, and very effective once they are targeting a few square block or smaller area.

The best news:
Is that unless the enemy wanted to knock out a very few specific targets and install e-bombs in cars, trucks and vans, the enemy would have to use small planes to achieve just the right "target area size to altitude" ratio. I can't see how they could get that many small planes in the air to get a good amount of targets able to be "zapped". Somebody would probably notice "odd equipment" going into a plane and say something. And even then, you are not looking at large areas out of commission, but many systems in a small area (part of a city) damaged
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These devices are a very strategic weapon, designed for knocking out the enemy's CCCI installations. Wall street, certain phone and power system "hubs", and a few areas that are VERY high density of "high tech devices" would be the main targets. And New York city already has experience dealing with no power...
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Loup

LoupGarou,

Sounds like a weapon a terrorist would love.

Gingergirl said:

LoupGarou,

Sounds like a weapon a terrorist would love.

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Normally, I would agree with that, but I believe that there would be too little "mayhem" for any of the jihadi types to want to do this. First off, it would probably knock off any of the local TV stations. Second, since there would be no massive loss of life, they have as much open "destruction and terror". Third, and probably the biggest reason, the MSM could easily point to "power problems" or other reasons that the power and systems failed.

E-bomb strategies:

Ours: First strike weapon, or more likely a pre-emptive/pre-cursor strike weapon to knock out specific high value targets, military communications, military radar, civilian comms, and such. Then after the enemy is electronically "blind", we would strike and have a lot less loss on our side.

Theirs: Aftermath, or continued warfare weapon. They would want to strike with a massive "terrorizing" blow, or by thousands of simultaneous attacks across the land wait for the "shock, horror, and terror" to set in first before they might use an e-bomb (they have to let the MSM play it for a few days straight, ad nauseam). They would also probably wait to see what happened in our financial markets and the people's response. After the first few days had passed, then they might use e-bombs to take down certain "soft targets", like Wall Street, giving them plenty of time to manipulate any funds in and out of the market, and ship them back to the ME or mexico.
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With the e-bomb, there is no blood for the cameras to splash over the 6PM or 11PM news. No glory for all-uh in their eyes unless they are killing infidels.

Loup

In case anyone didn't get it from Loup's description these are not nukes.

Why use an E-bomb when you can det a nuke in the ionosphere and cause an EMP to do just the same effect over a much larger area.... Im willing to bet India is doing it to research how to stop it from happening to them were china to get frisky...

wouldn't one detonated near a power plant shut off the flow of power?

i saw an article yesterday(?) about fierce rioting by merchants in Pakistan when power was cut off in their section of the city. wouldn't be unimagineable for several squadrons of UAV loaded with these to be sent out and take out entire city-wide areas just to watch the civilians launch into out-of-control riots when there is suddenly no power and no communication.
no power, no fuel pumps. no tv, no entertainment or news. nothing like when mass panic takes hold.

jed turtle said:

wouldn't one detonated near a power plant shut off the flow of power?

i saw an article yesterday(?) about fierce rioting by merchants in Pakistan when power was cut off in their section of the city. wouldn't be unimagineable for several squadrons of UAV loaded with these to be sent out and take out entire city-wide areas just to watch the civilians launch into out-of-control riots when there is suddenly no power and no communication.
no power, no fuel pumps. no tv, no entertainment or news. nothing like when mass panic takes hold.

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Yes,

But so would a carbon filament bomb over top of the power plant's output transformers or a major substation. Catch a few on fire and it would take weeks/months to clean up and replace all of those special order parts.

The fuel pumps, and some of the other things could be rigged to work, I did that here in CVA when hurricane Isabel hit and knocked out power for 2+ weeks. But I can imagine the riot with just no TV working, that would probably burn cities to the ground faster than the breakdown of JIT!

Loup

If I remember right we used a type of e-bomb in Kosivo......it was powdered graphite delivered in the area of the power plants....... which would cause them to short out and the grid go down. Not exactly the same thing but coming at the problem from another angle.
Flagman II

For that matter, a couple of Molotovs could cause issues.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WkDCS8xeobg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=99dDrEO12aw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ULyVqI4QC1c
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ETA: We have used Carbon Filament drops in a few places, including certain spots in the ME. But they are just long carbon fibers, not e-bombs.

Loup

Loup, what is there to burn at a substation? i've seen one hit by lightning once but i wasn't close enough to see an explosion like in that first video. i though the places were all just wires and steel. is the transformer coolant explosive?

exactly, the oil used for coolant is flamable.

Does that mean we will have to bomb them too?

jed turtle said:

Loup, what is there to burn at a substation? i've seen one hit by lightning once but i wasn't close enough to see an explosion like in that first video. i though the places were all just wires and steel. is the transformer coolant explosive?

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The transformer coolant is oil, usually a very high grade of mineral oil. Usually not very flammable, but when you heat it up and it builds up enough pressure to blow a seal out (that is what the "spray" is just before the massive fireball). The fireball is from all of the atomized oil droplets in the air. Once one goes, all it takes is the spray to heat up the rest of the components. The line phasing capacitors also are oil filled, as are a few other parts, so the whole area is a "bit heat sensitive". Couple that with the fact that some of the larger ones also help power balancing across bigger areas, and they are usually nowhere near a large population center (less protected or "watched").
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Also, remember the story from (I believe it was Parhump, NV) that had the HV lines shot down a few months ago. There is no limit to our vulnerabilities as far as the power grid. We have gone a long time with no updates, and very little security, because we have felt that we were secure and had no enemies within our borders. Well, somebody needs to tell Dorothy that none of us are in Kansas anymore, and that we have countless major enemies within our borders now and if we want to keep the power going, we better find all of those vulnerabilities. And faster than they do.

Loup

Ambros said:

Why use an E-bomb when you can det a nuke in the ionosphere and cause an EMP to do just the same effect over a much larger area.... Im willing to bet India is doing it to research how to stop it from happening to them were china to get frisky...

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Not the same at all.

The frequencies of energies in an ebomb far exceed those of a Nuke. EMP damage from a nuke is from low frequencies. Low frequencies need l o n g antennas to effectively collect enough energy to cause damage, not so with eBombs. By long antennas I mean long lengths of metal, pipelines, electrical grid, phone lines. Things not collected to that may not be effected at all.

Secondly you need to launch it to the right alititude, which is "easy" if you do it straight up, which means on US territory (or nearby). Much more difficult to get it up at the right altitude when your rockets can only lob them only 1000 miles.

Considering the above, if you were a terrorist nation do you really want to waste a nuke?

Think 'cascade effect'. You wouldn't need a whole lot of E-bombs...just a few in just the right places...


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Remember, not too long ago a 'suicide squirrel' took out the whole New York area...and parts of Canada.

thanks Loup. looks like we are living on borrowed time, at very high interest rates at that. suddenly it seems to me that acquiring a true alternative energy source should be one's highest priority, at least next to getting right with one's Maker.

jed turtle said:

thanks Loup. looks like we are living on borrowed time, at very high interest rates at that. suddenly it seems to me that acquiring a true alternative energy source should be one's highest priority, at least next to getting right with one's Maker.

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Yep, as far as the exponential curve, we are about to take the rocket ride.

Preps order for me:
Faith
Family
Food and water (including dog food, lots of dog food)

Followed by:
shelter, (quiet) Solar power, AGM batteries, lighting, communications gear, other prep items, more rechargeable batteries, electonic parts and assemblies (for repair needs) vehicles that do not need gasoline, more batteries, and one last thing, as Neo said so well:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y70vcs3oV14

Loup

Wow that Nexus article really took me back to about 1970.

My dad had heard about Lt. Lynch's expedition to the Dead Sea. We went to the National Archives on Constitution Ave. in DC and requested the log from that expedition.

When we opened it, fine sand fell out! That sand had been in there since Lt. Lynch closed that book in Palestine!

FJ

vlad said:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electromagnetic_pulse

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Good catch to show the differences between HEMP and E-bombs:

Most of that article is about HEMP. There is a section about E-bombs though:

Non-nuclear electromagnetic pulse

Non-nuclear electromagnetic pulse (NNEMP) is an electromagnetic pulse generated without use of nuclear weapons. There are a number of devices to achieve this objective, ranging from a large low-inductance capacitor bank discharged into a single-loop antenna or a microwave generator to an explosively pumped flux compression generator. To achieve the frequency characteristics of the pulse needed for optimal coupling into the target, wave-shaping circuits and/or microwave generators are added between the pulse source and the antenna. A vacuum tube particularly suitable for microwave conversion of high energy pulses is the vircator.

NNEMP generators can be carried as a payload of bombs and cruise missiles, allowing construction of electromagnetic bombs with diminished mechanical, thermal and ionizing radiation effects and without the political consequences of deploying nuclear weapons.

NNEMP generators also include large structures built to generate EMP for testing of electronics to determine how well it survives EMP.[citation needed] In addition, the use of ultra-wideband radars can generate EMP in areas immediately adjacent to the radar;[citation needed] this phenomenon is only partly understood.[citation needed]

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For more info about e-bombs:
http://www.airpower.maxwell.af.mil/airchronicles/kopp/apjemp.html
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/munitions/hpm.htm

Their parts:
FCG:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Explosively_pumped_flux_compression_generator
MHD (MHD-G):
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MHD_generator (Mainly at the Disc Generator section)
HPM weaponry:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-power_microwave
Vircator:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vircator

And it is not like India has not had the test facilities and the knowledge (probably "gained" the same way that china did (gee, thanks Clinton))...

http://jces.nic.in/

8. REPETITIVE WAVE BOUNDED EMP SIMULATOR (RBWEMPS)

Specifications

o Peak output 120kV
o Rise time 10 nsec (peak)
o Duration 500 nsec
o Peak electric field 100 kV/m
o Peak magnetic field 265 A/m
o Length 4.5 m
o Plate spacing 1 m
o Antenna impedance 100 ohm
o Test object size 0.6 m x 1.5 m x 1.5 m

9. INDIAN BOUNDED WAVE EMP SIMULATOR (IBWEMPS)

Specifications

o Peak output 600kV
o Rise time 10 nsec (nominal)
o Duration 1 micro sec
o Peak electric field 80 kV/m
o Peak magnetic field 212 A/m
o Length 55 m
o Plate spacing 5 m
o Antenna impedance 150 ohm
o Test object size 3.5 m x 4.5 m x 4.5 m

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Small on a real world scale, but proof enough that they are both interested in it, and interested in protection from it.

Loup