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“Ismail Ax” printed on the inside of one of his arms, in red ink, when they found his body.
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Ismail I....IRAN!
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Ismail I....IRAN!
SHOOTER Note: railed against “rich kids,” “debauchery” and “deceitful charlatans”
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* Ismail bin Jafar, the religious figure of which Ismaili Shiah Muslims follow and are named after.
* Ishmael, son of Abraham, mentioned in both the Torah and the Qur'an
* Izmail, a town in Ukraine
* Isma'il Pasha (1830–1895), wali and khedive of Egypt, also known as Ismail the Magnificent
* Ismail I, the founder of the Safavid dynasty
* Ismail Samani, the Samanid amir
* Mawlay Ismail Ibn Sharif of Morocco (1645/46-1727)
* Ishmael, son of Abraham, mentioned in both the Torah and the Qur'an
* Izmail, a town in Ukraine
* Isma'il Pasha (1830–1895), wali and khedive of Egypt, also known as Ismail the Magnificent
* Ismail I, the founder of the Safavid dynasty
* Ismail Samani, the Samanid amir
* Mawlay Ismail Ibn Sharif of Morocco (1645/46-1727)
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http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/...0,1137509.story?coll=chi-homepagepromo440-fea
By Aamer Madhani
Tribune national correspondent
April 17, 2007, 11:24 AM CDT
BLACKSBURG, Va. -- The suspected gunman in the Virginia Tech shooting rampage, Cho Seung-Hui, was a troubled 23-year-old senior from South Korea who investigators believe left an invective-filled note in his dorm room, sources say.
The note included a rambling list of grievances, according to sources. They said Cho also died with the words "Ismail Ax" in red ink on the inside of one of his arms.
Cho had shown recent signs of violent, aberrant behavior, according to an investigative source, including setting a fire in a dorm room and allegedly stalking some women.
A note believed to have been written by Cho was found in his dorm room that railed against "rich kids," "debauchery" and "deceitful charlatans" on campus.
The English major from Centreville, Va., a rapidly growing suburb of Washington, D.C., came to the United States in 1992, an investigative source said. He was a legal permanent resident.
His family runs a dry cleaning business and he has a sister who graduated from Princeton University, according to the source.
Investigators believe Cho at some point had been taking medication for depression. They are examining Cho's computer for more evidence.
The gunman's family lived in an off-white, two-story town house in Centreville.
"He was very quiet, always by himself," neighbor Abdul Shash said of the gunman. Shash said the gunman spent a lot of his free time playing basketball, and wouldn't respond if someone greeted him. He described the family as quiet.
Marshall Main, who lives across the street, said the family had lived in the townhouse for several years.
According to court records, Virginia Tech Police issued a speeding ticket to Cho on April 7 for going 44 mph in a 25 mph zone, and he had a court date set for May 23.
Cho was found among the 31 dead found in an engineering hall. Police said the victims laid over four classrooms and a stairwell.
"He was a loner," said Larry Hincker, a university spokesman, who added that investigators are having some difficulty unearthing information about him.
A law enforcement official, speaking on condition of anonymity because the information had not been announced, said Cho was carrying a backpack that contained receipts for a March purchase of a Glock 9 mm pistol.
Ballistics tests by the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms showed that one gun was used in Monday's two separate campus attacks that were two hours apart.
As a permanent legal resident of the United States, Cho was eligible to buy a handgun unless he had been convicted of any felony criminal charges, a federal immigration official said.
Police said Cho killed 30 people in a Virginia Tech engineering building Monday morning and then killed himself.
Another two students were shot to death two hours earlier in a dorm room on the opposite side of the university's sprawling 2,600-acre campus, bringing the day's death toll to 33.
Students at Harper Hall, the campus dormitory where Cho lived, said they had little interaction with him and no insight into what might have motivated the attack.
Timothy Johnson, a student from Annandale, Va., said people would say hello to Cho in passing, but nobody knew him well.
"People are pretty upset," Johnson said. "He's a monster; he can't be normal. I can't believe I said 'hi' to him in the hall and then he killed all those people."
Officials said the same gun was used in the attack in the dorm room and the larger-scale classroom killings.
"At this time, the evidence does not conclusively identify Cho as the gunman at both locations," said Col. W. Steven Flaherty, superintendent of Virginia State Police.
The new details were revealed as the university readied itself for a day of mourning. A convocation is set for today, which President Bush and First Lady Laura Bush said they would attend, and thousands of students and Blacksburg residents are expected to come together later in the day for a candlelight vigil.
All classes at Virginia Tech will be closed for the remainder of the week, said school President Charles Steger.
Some victims' names released
Among the dead was a professor, Liviu Librescu. Students who were in Librescu's engineering class at Norris Hall told the Tribune late Monday that the professor tried to protect the students in his class when they realized a gunmen was loose in the building.
Alec Calhoun was in Librescu's solid mechanics engineering class when gunfire erupted in the room next door. He said Librescu, went to the door and pushed himself against it in case the shooter tried to come in.
Librescu, an Israeli, was born in Romania and was known internationally for his research in aeronautical engineering.
Also killed were:
Ross Abdallah Alameddine, 20, of Saugus, Mass., according to his mother, Lynnette Alameddine.
Ryan Clark, 22, of Martinez, Ga., biology and English major, according to Columbia County Coroner Vernon Collins.
Daniel Perez Cueva, 21, a native of Peru studying international relations, according to his mother, Betty Cueva.
Kevin Granata, age unknown, engineering science and mechanics professor, according to Ishwar K. Puri, the head of the engineering science and mechanics department.
Caitlin Hammaren, 19, of Westtown, N.Y., a sophomore majoring in international studies and French, according to Minisink Valley, N.Y., school officials who spoke with her family.
Emily Jane Hilscher, a 19-year-old freshman from Woodville, according to Rappahannock County Administrator John W. McCarthy, a family friend.
G.V. Loganathan, 51, civil and environmental engineering professor, according to his brother G.V. Palanivel.
Mary Karen Read, 19, of Annandale, Va. according to her aunt, Karen Kuppinger, of Rochester, N.Y.
Fifteen victims, including three who originally were listed in critical condition, were listed in stable or good condition and two remained in critical condition, wire services reported.
The Tribune's Washington bureau and the Associated Press contributed.
Copyright © 2007, Chicago Tribune
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/...0,1137509.story?coll=chi-homepagepromo440-fea
By Aamer Madhani
Tribune national correspondent
April 17, 2007, 11:24 AM CDT
BLACKSBURG, Va. -- The suspected gunman in the Virginia Tech shooting rampage, Cho Seung-Hui, was a troubled 23-year-old senior from South Korea who investigators believe left an invective-filled note in his dorm room, sources say.
The note included a rambling list of grievances, according to sources. They said Cho also died with the words "Ismail Ax" in red ink on the inside of one of his arms.
Cho had shown recent signs of violent, aberrant behavior, according to an investigative source, including setting a fire in a dorm room and allegedly stalking some women.
A note believed to have been written by Cho was found in his dorm room that railed against "rich kids," "debauchery" and "deceitful charlatans" on campus.
The English major from Centreville, Va., a rapidly growing suburb of Washington, D.C., came to the United States in 1992, an investigative source said. He was a legal permanent resident.
His family runs a dry cleaning business and he has a sister who graduated from Princeton University, according to the source.
Investigators believe Cho at some point had been taking medication for depression. They are examining Cho's computer for more evidence.
The gunman's family lived in an off-white, two-story town house in Centreville.
"He was very quiet, always by himself," neighbor Abdul Shash said of the gunman. Shash said the gunman spent a lot of his free time playing basketball, and wouldn't respond if someone greeted him. He described the family as quiet.
Marshall Main, who lives across the street, said the family had lived in the townhouse for several years.
According to court records, Virginia Tech Police issued a speeding ticket to Cho on April 7 for going 44 mph in a 25 mph zone, and he had a court date set for May 23.
Cho was found among the 31 dead found in an engineering hall. Police said the victims laid over four classrooms and a stairwell.
"He was a loner," said Larry Hincker, a university spokesman, who added that investigators are having some difficulty unearthing information about him.
A law enforcement official, speaking on condition of anonymity because the information had not been announced, said Cho was carrying a backpack that contained receipts for a March purchase of a Glock 9 mm pistol.
Ballistics tests by the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms showed that one gun was used in Monday's two separate campus attacks that were two hours apart.
As a permanent legal resident of the United States, Cho was eligible to buy a handgun unless he had been convicted of any felony criminal charges, a federal immigration official said.
Police said Cho killed 30 people in a Virginia Tech engineering building Monday morning and then killed himself.
Another two students were shot to death two hours earlier in a dorm room on the opposite side of the university's sprawling 2,600-acre campus, bringing the day's death toll to 33.
Students at Harper Hall, the campus dormitory where Cho lived, said they had little interaction with him and no insight into what might have motivated the attack.
Timothy Johnson, a student from Annandale, Va., said people would say hello to Cho in passing, but nobody knew him well.
"People are pretty upset," Johnson said. "He's a monster; he can't be normal. I can't believe I said 'hi' to him in the hall and then he killed all those people."
Officials said the same gun was used in the attack in the dorm room and the larger-scale classroom killings.
"At this time, the evidence does not conclusively identify Cho as the gunman at both locations," said Col. W. Steven Flaherty, superintendent of Virginia State Police.
The new details were revealed as the university readied itself for a day of mourning. A convocation is set for today, which President Bush and First Lady Laura Bush said they would attend, and thousands of students and Blacksburg residents are expected to come together later in the day for a candlelight vigil.
All classes at Virginia Tech will be closed for the remainder of the week, said school President Charles Steger.
Some victims' names released
Among the dead was a professor, Liviu Librescu. Students who were in Librescu's engineering class at Norris Hall told the Tribune late Monday that the professor tried to protect the students in his class when they realized a gunmen was loose in the building.
Alec Calhoun was in Librescu's solid mechanics engineering class when gunfire erupted in the room next door. He said Librescu, went to the door and pushed himself against it in case the shooter tried to come in.
Librescu, an Israeli, was born in Romania and was known internationally for his research in aeronautical engineering.
Also killed were:
Ross Abdallah Alameddine, 20, of Saugus, Mass., according to his mother, Lynnette Alameddine.
Ryan Clark, 22, of Martinez, Ga., biology and English major, according to Columbia County Coroner Vernon Collins.
Daniel Perez Cueva, 21, a native of Peru studying international relations, according to his mother, Betty Cueva.
Kevin Granata, age unknown, engineering science and mechanics professor, according to Ishwar K. Puri, the head of the engineering science and mechanics department.
Caitlin Hammaren, 19, of Westtown, N.Y., a sophomore majoring in international studies and French, according to Minisink Valley, N.Y., school officials who spoke with her family.
Emily Jane Hilscher, a 19-year-old freshman from Woodville, according to Rappahannock County Administrator John W. McCarthy, a family friend.
G.V. Loganathan, 51, civil and environmental engineering professor, according to his brother G.V. Palanivel.
Mary Karen Read, 19, of Annandale, Va. according to her aunt, Karen Kuppinger, of Rochester, N.Y.
Fifteen victims, including three who originally were listed in critical condition, were listed in stable or good condition and two remained in critical condition, wire services reported.
The Tribune's Washington bureau and the Associated Press contributed.
Copyright © 2007, Chicago Tribune
minkykat
Komplainy Kat
http://www.islamicity.com/mosque/ibrahim.htm
Found this too. As you read, the story may sound very familiar.
Just from having glanced thru it using the cache tool on yahoo for "Ismail" and "Ax", Ismail's Father destorys some town's idols with an ax. So, did Cho see himself as the "ax" used to destroy "idols" in the form of these "rich kids"?
Found this too. As you read, the story may sound very familiar.
Just from having glanced thru it using the cache tool on yahoo for "Ismail" and "Ax", Ismail's Father destorys some town's idols with an ax. So, did Cho see himself as the "ax" used to destroy "idols" in the form of these "rich kids"?
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Why and how would this South Korean man be so influenced by a M.E. Religion, that he signs his act of evil WITH THIS REFERENCE!
Midlander2
Senior Member
Fish Speaker
ODERINT DUM METUANT
Cascadians
Leska Emerald Adams
Jihater
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Huh?????
eXe
Techno Junkie
Hmm on a lark I decided to whois the domain IsmailAx.com
Domain Name: ISMAILAX.COM
Registrar: GO DADDY SOFTWARE, INC.
Whois Server: whois.godaddy.com
Referral URL: http://registrar.godaddy.com
Name Server: NS45.DOMAINCONTROL.COM
Name Server: NS46.DOMAINCONTROL.COM
Status: clientDeleteProhibited
Status: clientRenewProhibited
Status: clientTransferProhibited
Status: clientUpdateProhibited
Updated Date: 17-apr-2007
Creation Date: 17-apr-2007
Expiration Date: 17-apr-2008
Looks like someone locked this one down quick, perhaps even godaddy might have done it.
Domain Name: ISMAILAX.COM
Registrar: GO DADDY SOFTWARE, INC.
Whois Server: whois.godaddy.com
Referral URL: http://registrar.godaddy.com
Name Server: NS45.DOMAINCONTROL.COM
Name Server: NS46.DOMAINCONTROL.COM
Status: clientDeleteProhibited
Status: clientRenewProhibited
Status: clientTransferProhibited
Status: clientUpdateProhibited
Updated Date: 17-apr-2007
Creation Date: 17-apr-2007
Expiration Date: 17-apr-2008
Looks like someone locked this one down quick, perhaps even godaddy might have done it.
TheSearcher
Are you sure about that?
Here is the reference:
"mé cops à moi, mohcine alias "the man with the smoke" à gauche & ismail ax au milieu. "
From a French to English Translator:
"Mé cops to me, mohcine alias "the man with the smoke" to the left & ismail center in the middle. "
"Ismail Center" - Center on Ismail? Is THAT what the phrase means!?
eXe
Techno Junkie
Cascadians
Leska Emerald Adams
Jihater = Jihad + Hate = Islamic Terrorist
Among their pet peeves: rich ppl, great satan of western civilization, debauchery, obsessions with dates, grudges, proving 'glory' via excessive violence, beheadings, extremely primitive erroneous thinking on all levels, seething resentments, programmed to kill kill kill kill kill kill killl killllll.
Among their pet peeves: rich ppl, great satan of western civilization, debauchery, obsessions with dates, grudges, proving 'glory' via excessive violence, beheadings, extremely primitive erroneous thinking on all levels, seething resentments, programmed to kill kill kill kill kill kill killl killllll.
Cascadians
Leska Emerald Adams
Read 1st post of this thread:
http://www.timebomb2000.com/vb/showthread.php?t=208115
Seed of Massive War
to see historical origin of Ishmael's Ax To Grind.
http://www.timebomb2000.com/vb/showthread.php?t=208115
Seed of Massive War
to see historical origin of Ishmael's Ax To Grind.
Perramas
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I wonder what the meds were and how long ago was the last time he took them.
pixmo
Bucktoothed feline member
Interesting. Lots of hate brewing regarding race...lots of hate brewing regarding classes...lots of hate brewing regarding religion.
Wonder which one is going to be the match that ignites the powder keg? I'm thinking a combination of all the above. Death by a thousand cuts...
Wonder which one is going to be the match that ignites the powder keg? I'm thinking a combination of all the above. Death by a thousand cuts...
Thumpr57
Between Balto/Wash
The Roanoke Times is reporting that a bomb threat was found at Norris Hall Monday morning after the shooting. Has anyone seen or heard this reported anywhere else?
http://www.roanoke.com/news/nrv/breaking/wb/113294
http://www.roanoke.com/news/nrv/breaking/wb/113294
Dammed English majors will be the death of us all.
Moby Dick is one of those Christian hating texts
don
interesting.... there are over 744 news articles that use the AP chicago tribunes copy of the story about "desturbing writings" as a reference, but almost ALL of the newer AP articles omit the "Ismail ax" sentence.
only 6 news outlets out of the 744 using the SAME chicago tribune AP story mention "Ismail ax" in their versions.
http://news.google.com/news?num=100&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&um=1&tab=in&q="ismail+ax"&filter=0
is it being "memory holed"? was it just an unfounded rumor?
have a look:
http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&ned=us&oe=UTF-8&tab=wn&ncl=1115455575&filter=0
only 6 news outlets out of the 744 using the SAME chicago tribune AP story mention "Ismail ax" in their versions.
http://news.google.com/news?num=100&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&um=1&tab=in&q="ismail+ax"&filter=0
is it being "memory holed"? was it just an unfounded rumor?
have a look:
http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&ned=us&oe=UTF-8&tab=wn&ncl=1115455575&filter=0
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No, what email? Is it time to share with us LONEWOLF?
I don't know why, but his face reminds me of the carved reliefs and statues of ancient Egyptians.
I wonder if the two races are related?
TheSearcher
Are you sure about that?
Ebonics?
skip8
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expose'
The Pulse......
Was first reported as a Chinese National - with a visa issued in August of 2006... Makes you wonder how this bit of detailed info became "wrong"....? 
Now being reported as a resident alien with family living here in the states? That's the first "spin"
Was initially reported that he was having "girlfriend" problems..but that went out the window with all of the preparations he made prior to the attack - ie; bomb threats to check security response, bullet proof vest, extra magazines for ammo, chains for the doors,... Not to mention the attack itself - lining kids up and shooting them execution style.. That goes way out of a "domestic violence rage" profile...
So they had to "find" note that blamed it all on American capitalism..or similar compaints..
The words "Ismail Ax" printed in red ink on the inside of his arm - a detail that is now being ommitted from news stories.."rolleyes"
The new implication that the shooter may have been on medication?... Oh please! Can they be a little more original and creative?
Sorry - but when I have to use this many "Rolleyes" smileys in one news story - there be a big problem with it...
This much "spin" makes me nauseas...
Now being reported as a resident alien with family living here in the states?
That's the first "spin"Was initially reported that he was having "girlfriend" problems..but that went out the window with all of the preparations he made prior to the attack - ie; bomb threats to check security response, bullet proof vest, extra magazines for ammo, chains for the doors,...
Not to mention the attack itself - lining kids up and shooting them execution style.. That goes way out of a "domestic violence rage" profile... So they had to "find" note that blamed it all on American capitalism..or similar compaints..The words "Ismail Ax" printed in red ink on the inside of his arm - a detail that is now being ommitted from news stories.."rolleyes"
The new implication that the shooter may have been on medication?...
Oh please! Can they be a little more original and creative?Sorry - but when I have to use this many "Rolleyes" smileys in one news story - there be a big problem with it...
This much "spin" makes me nauseas...
skip8
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If there is a cause-motive that is NOT related to "Gun-Nut", "WHITE ANGLO Gun-Nut", "WASP - White on Black Crime", "Video-Game Violence", you can be certain the MSM will do all it can to bury it.
This horror does NOT fit the MSM's various templates for a mass killing.
F*** the MSM!
Cascadians
Leska Emerald Adams
You are very welcome Skip8.
In this rapidly shrinking world, it no longer matters as much what race or nationality a person is. What matters is one's ideology. If one thinks the answer to inevitable conflict resolution, between other people, classes, pressures, girlfriends, depression, new jobs, bad bosses, icky neighbors, etc is to kill kill kill and blow as many heads off via gun or guillotine, and get 72 virgins as a reward, then that belief system is a problem.
Especially when these beliefs are reinforced by all sorts of historical ties and emphasize nurturing festering resentments and immature rage, feelings of not getting as much as the other guy, etc -- that is a recipe for repeated disaster.
It all started with Ishmael and things have not improved much since then. That such a large proportion of earth's population fiercely believes they must by God's command grind Ishmael's Ax likewise is scary and needs to be understood and eliminated if earth is to continue hosting mankind.
I think it's already too late on many accounts. Humanimals are pellmell heading toward extinction on planet earth by their own foolish neanderthal doing.
In this rapidly shrinking world, it no longer matters as much what race or nationality a person is. What matters is one's ideology. If one thinks the answer to inevitable conflict resolution, between other people, classes, pressures, girlfriends, depression, new jobs, bad bosses, icky neighbors, etc is to kill kill kill and blow as many heads off via gun or guillotine, and get 72 virgins as a reward, then that belief system is a problem.
Especially when these beliefs are reinforced by all sorts of historical ties and emphasize nurturing festering resentments and immature rage, feelings of not getting as much as the other guy, etc -- that is a recipe for repeated disaster.
It all started with Ishmael and things have not improved much since then. That such a large proportion of earth's population fiercely believes they must by God's command grind Ishmael's Ax likewise is scary and needs to be understood and eliminated if earth is to continue hosting mankind.
I think it's already too late on many accounts. Humanimals are pellmell heading toward extinction on planet earth by their own foolish neanderthal doing.
skip8
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Thanks Dennis, I'm so sick over this insanity that I'm weak...even for cut & paste.
Digital Omnivore
Veteran Member
heh.
Shocking.
Shocking.
Unique
Inactive
http://www.islamicity.com/mosque/ibrahim.htm
Found this too. As you read, the story may sound very familiar.
Just from having glanced thru it using the cache tool on yahoo for "Ismail" and "Ax", Ismail's Father destorys some town's idols with an ax. So, did Cho see himself as the "ax" used to destroy "idols" in the form of these "rich kids"?
Check out this link.
http://www.islamicity.com/mosque/ibrahim.htm
minkykat nailed it and the MSM will not advertise this. No way.