04/20 | Daily BF: Government will kill entire flocks that show signs of bird flu

PCViking

Lutefisk Survivor
Link to yesterday's thread: http://www.timebomb2000.com/vb/showthread.php?t=194069

Human Cases

Since January, 2004 WHO has reported human cases of avian influenza A (H5N1) in the following countries:

* East Asia and the Pacific:
o Cambodia
o China
o Indonesia
o Thailand
o Vietnam

* Europe & Eurasia:
o Azerbaijan
(see update)
o Turkey

* Near East:
o Egypt
o Iraq

For additional information about these reports, visit the
World Health Organization Web Site.

Updated April 3, 2006

Animal Cases

Since December 2003, avian influenza A (H5N1) infections in poultry or wild birds have been reported in the following countries:

* Africa:
o Burkina Faso
o Cameroon
o Niger
o Nigeria

* East Asia & the Pacific:
o Cambodia
o China
o Hong Kong (SARPRC)
o Indonesia
o Japan
o Laos
o Malaysia
o Mongolia
o Myanmar (Burma)
o Thailand
o Vietnam

* South Asia:
o Afghanistan
o India
o Kazakhstan
o Pakistan

* Near East:
o Egypt
o Iraq (H5)
o Iran
o Israel
o Jordan

* Europe & Eurasia:
o
* Albania
* Austria
* Azerbaijan
* Bosnia & Herzegovina
* Bulgaria
* Croatia
* Czech Republic (H5)
* Denmark
* France
* Georgia
* Germany
* Greece
* Hungary
* Italy
* Poland
* Romania
* Russia
* Serbia & Montenegro
* Slovak Republic
* Slovenia
* Sweden
* Switzerland
* Turkey
* Ukraine
* United Kingdom


For additional information about these reports, visit the
World Organization for Animal Health Web Site: http://www.oie.int/eng/en_index.htm

Updated April 7, 2006

http://www.cdc.gov/flu/avian/outbreaks/current.htm

WHO, Avian Flu Timeline in .pdf: http://www.who.int/csr/disease/avian_influenza/timeline.pdf

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PCViking

Lutefisk Survivor
Government will kill entire flocks that show signs of bird flu

By Libby Quaid
ASSOCIATED PRESS

1:56 p.m. April 19, 2006

WASHINGTON – Free-ranging chickens and small, backyard flocks will be at greatest risk if deadly bird flu reaches the United States, officials said Wednesday.

They also said they would begin killing off flocks large or small if they are suspected of having the virus – even before tests are completed.

Authorities say bird flu is likely to arrive in the United States this year.

If and when it does, “quick detection will be key to quickly containing it and eradicating it,” Ron DeHaven said in an interview with The Associated Press. He is head of the Agriculture Department's Animal and Plant Health Inspection Service.

Most of America's chickens come from big commercial farms that keep birds indoors and are well-protected against the spread of disease. Yet there are many flocks in people's back yards – as many as 60,000 in Los Angeles alone – as well as free-range flocks that are outdoors and could mix with wild birds or their droppings.

Officials encourage those producers to bring flocks inside and watch for signs of flu – dead birds; lack of appetite; purple wattles, combs and legs; coughing or sneezing; diarrhea – and report them immediately to state or federal authorities.

“We can't afford for this virus to be smoldering six months before we find it,” DeHaven said.

The U.S. has a poultry industry worth more than $29 billion that produces more than 9 billion chickens and 250 million turkeys a year, more than any other country.

Owners will want to report sick birds because they will be paid fair market value for destroyed flocks, DeHaven said. Stopping the spread of bird flu has been more difficult in countries that can't afford to compensate farmers, he added.

To target owners of small flocks, the Agriculture Department has an outreach campaign that uses Spanish and Vietnamese as well as English in materials and ads.

The virulent strain of bird flu spreading through Asia, Europe and Africa has killed 110 people, and more than 200 million birds have died from the disease or been slaughtered in efforts to contain it. Scientists fear it could mutate into a form that spreads easily among people, sparking a worldwide epidemic.

The government will be testing more wild birds than usual this year, as many as 100,000, as birds begin arriving next month in Alaska and then fly south along migratory pathways. Chicken and turkey companies are testing nearly every flock for the virus.

“If the virus does arrive in the U.S., we think we'll find it quickly,” DeHaven said. “We don't think that it would ever make it into the food chain.”

Regardless, poultry is safe to eat if people cook it to 165 degrees and follow basic kitchen safety rules, he said.

If the virus turns up in commercial chickens or turkeys, the government plans to quarantine the farm, restrict bird movements within about two miles and boost testing within about six miles.

If screening tests suggest a potentially virulent flu virus is present, and the birds show signs of flu, they'll be killed immediately, even before more detailed testing is finished, DeHaven said. Flocks would be confined and killed with carbon dioxide gas, essentially putting them to sleep, DeHaven said. Authorities refer to this as “depopulation.”

Disposal of dead birds is tricky, because they still may carry the virus. In the past, large numbers of birds have been buried, put in landfills or incinerated, but those procedures can be expensive and cause bureaucratic hassles.

Now, the industry intends to compost the carcasses inside the houses where birds are killed.

To be composted, carcasses are layered with mulch, hosed down and left alone, inside, for four to six weeks,
said Richard Lobb, spokesman for the National Chicken Council, an industry group. Intense heat generated by composting is more than enough to kill the virus, Lobb said.

The government has vaccines to protect poultry from the virus but is reluctant to use them because vaccinated birds can still spread the virus without appearing sick, said John Clifford, the department's chief veterinarian. Vaccines could be used in flocks surrounding the area of an outbreak, he said.

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/nation/20060419-1356-birdflu.html

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PCViking

Lutefisk Survivor
Fighting Bird Flu at Home: How to Prepare for the Possible Pandemic
Wednesday, April 19, 2006
By Star Lawrence

Ever hear the amusing expression, “So much as been written about everything, it’s hard to find anything out about it?”

This certainly applies to H5N1, avian flu, bird flu, or whatever you want to call it.

Naturalists are eyeing the migratory birds overhead and scientists are counting the human cases-most of whom, if not all, caught the disease from a bird, not a family member.

For complete bird flu coverage, visit Foxnews.com's Bird Flu Center.

Weighing the Odds

The key to widespread outbreaks or a multicontinent pandemic is for the virus, carried by domestic and wild birds, to morph into a form that can be passed from human to human via a cough or sneeze. Scientists are all over the map on whether this will happen.

Robert G. Webster, the Rosemary Thomas Chair at St. Jude’s Children’s Research Hospital in Memphis, Tenn., is sometimes called “The Flu Hunter.” Webster recently says there is a 50-50 chance the virus will become transmissible human-to-human. If it does, he projects that half the people in the country would die. He has stored a three-month supply of food and water at his house.


Others cite the swine flu scare of several decades ago. That one fizzled.

The upshot is no one knows for sure. The World Health Organization, Centers for Disease Control, U.S. Department of Health and Human Services, Department of Homeland Security, and countless local governments are taking bird flu seriously and trying to plan.

The irony may be that for all of this planning, taking care of cases will probably fall to individuals and take place in the home. This is the view of Gratton Woodson, MD, a primary care doctor at the Druid Oaks Health Center in Decatur, Ga., who has made a years-long study of bird flu on behalf of his patients and has published a bird flu preparedness manual to help them cope.

The CDC also has put up a web site helping people to prepare for this possibility. It’s www.pandemicflu.gov.

Facing a Pandemic


Tom Skinner, a public affairs officer for the CDC, tells WebMD that the CDC believes individuals should have an emergency preparedness plan for all purposes, including the bird flu, should it come.

“Remember, the confusion after Hurricane Katrina?” Woodson asks. “Multiply that -- the emptied stores, stranded people, lack of transportation, services, and supplies -- times every state and probably every continent.”

You couldn’t ride it out for a few weeks -- the flu would probably come in waves, and even come back to an area, according to Woodson.

Both Woodson and the government are operating on the assumption that a vaccine, though in the works, probably will not be ready by the time the virus got cranking. Supplies might be scanty compared with need in a genuine pandemic.

The antiviral drugs, such as Tamiflu, may or may not work against bird flu, although the government is trying to assemble 20 million doses.

Skinner warns of social disruptions if the virus starts leaping from person to person.

On the CDC’s web site:

The government urges you to plan for the overcrowding or closing of hospitals, banks, stores, restaurants, and post offices. Schools may be closed for extended periods. Parents need to think about their children’s needs and possibly even childcare requirements if the parents are able to get to work.

Woodson doesn’t want to be a Chicken Little, but he does foresee a scenario in which utility companies would run out of coal and hospital generators out of diesel oil -- just because there was no one healthy enough to deliver these items. “Most doctors would want to stay open,” he says, “but in our office, without electricity, we would have to close the office.”

Hospitals may cease to be a refuge.
According to the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services, Woodson says, there are 1 million hospital beds in this country, and 10,000 ventilators. Almost three-quarters of the beds are already full at any one time. “There is no possible way the hospital system could cope,” he says.

Yet in many cities and municipalities, forward-thinking planners are trying to prepare the health care system for the coming of the virus. Jeff Kalina, MD, leads the Texas Medical Center’s Pandemic Flu Task Force. He also spearheaded the center’s hurricane efforts for Katrina and Rita.

“We mirror the Centers for Disease Control and FEMA guidelines,” he says. “We are creating a plan and when we get it, we will drill it. If there is suddenly a ground zero and Person A gives it to Person B and Person C, we will spread the word about flu hygiene [hand washing and so on]. We also will be planning to create wards [of hospital beds]. We will turn the lights on; get triage going.” Probably, says Kalina, people will be sent to places other than hospitals, where vulnerable people would be more susceptible to the bug.

Skinner adds that the CDC is developing software called FluSurge for hospitals to use in their planning and detection of viral spread.

Home Care May Be Crucial

Woodson advises his patients to prepare to stay home unless they are really severely ill. In other words, we are back to pioneer days
.

Extrapolating from past viruses, Woodson says statistics suggest, although this is not a sure thing, that some people will not contract bird flu, should it go transmissible. No one knows exactly why, but they could be immune. According to these calculations, some will get it and will be very ill and contagious. Others may get a light case or no case, but will show antibodies, meaning it got into their system and they have formed antibodies against the virus.

The well people will take care of the sick. And a lot of this care will probably be done at home.

“This is flu,” Woodson says. “You can do a lot of care for people using low-tech means.”

On its web site, the CDC lists supplies to have on hand, including over-the-counter painkillers, such as acetaminophen (Tylenol) and ibuprofen (Advil or Motrin) for headaches and muscle pain, and antidiarrheal medicine. Plenty of cleansing agents, such as hand cleaners and detergent, also are listed.

The CDC recommends stocking nonperishables such as:

--Canned foods

--Protein or fruit bars

--Dry cereal

--Dried fruit

--Bottled water

--Baby food

--Pet food

Also on the CDC list: flashlights, batteries, portable radio, manual can opener, garbage bags, diapers, and toilet paper.

Skinner recommends having a supply of your prescription drugs as well.

To these Woodson would add crackers, Gatorade, and other foods good for sickness.

“I think stockpiling is a grand idea,” says planner Kalina. Skinner says he has large stocks of canned food and bottled water at home.

Woodson also says some people might also want to consider:

--An alternative power source

--Organizing your neighborhood. If everyone in a house is sick, Woodson says, would the neighbors help out -- or could you help them? He also has bought some medical supplies not only for his family, but his neighbors.

Could Your Family Members Die?


Even without a "Mad Max" scenario with the breakdown of society, Woodson says many people, perhaps the young and the elderly, may not be able to fight off the virus and will weaken within a few days.

Well people should steer clear of the sick if possible.

Skinner urges that well children be kept away from sick kids. Kids should also cover their coughs and wash their hands frequently. This goes for adults, too. The time to start this training is now.

“Of 100 people, only three will die with proper at-home care, in my opinion,” Woodson says.

Too Scary to Contemplate?

Is all this too horrible to think about?

“Come on,” Woodson scolds. “The United States is a frontier country. We live a fancy life, but we all have ancestors who experienced this sort of thing. Physicians need to teach their patients what to do at home. Taking care of people there is pretty simple: Rehydrate, keep them clean and warm, and give them painkillers. If you get sick, have someone else to step in.”

“We are just asking for common sense preparedness,” Skinner says.

By Star Lawrence, reviewed by Louise Chang, MD

SOURCES: Gratton Woodson, MD, primary care doctor, Druid Oaks Health Center, Decatur, Ga. Tom Skinner, public affairs officer, CDC, Atlanta. Jeff Kalina, MD, associate director, emergency services; chairman, Texas Medical Center’s Pandemic Flu Task Force. www.pandemicflu.gov.


http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,192342,00.html

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PCViking

Lutefisk Survivor
Bird flu warning

Angela Balakrishnan
Thursday April 20, 2006

Countries need to prepare for an avian flu pandemic that could see the global economy shrink by 2% or more, in addition to human costs
"beyond any reckoning", the International Monetary Fund said yesterday.

The impact would depend on how far financial and physical infrastructures continued to function, especially in advanced economies. Unexpected disruptions and poor planning could mean that a 2% fall in world output was a significant under-estimate. Preparations are well under way in a few countries, especially those affected by the 2003 Sars outbreak, but generally the level of awareness and planning is low.

Deaths from the H5N1 virus could reduce the workforce by 20 million with three-quarters of the loss in developing countries. Investment and consumption would fall but should recover quickly, possibly to levels higher than normal to fulfil a bounce-back in demand. Global trade, however, would drop sharply.

Countries specialising in tourism and consumer durables exports could suffer greatly. In the Sars outbreak, airline passenger arrivals in Hong Kong fell by nearly two-thirds in the month following the peak.

Crucial to the recovery is the operation of the main financial centres, with the emphasis on contingency plans and backup systems to minimise slowdown.

http://business.guardian.co.uk/story/0,,1757293,00.html

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PCViking

Lutefisk Survivor
Bird flu fear sees call to axe trees
Published on 18/04/2006

THE RSPB has hit out at a borough councillor who suggested chopping down trees used by nesting birds would reduce the risk of bird flu.

Copeland Borough councillor Gilbert Scurrah made his comments at a planning meeting when members approved plans for eight new sheltered homes in the grounds of The Croft Nursing Home, Kirksanton.

The development, which had been opposed by Millom Without Parish Council, will lead to 16 mature trees used as shelter by nesting birds being felled.

Councillor Scurrah, who represents Kirksanton, said of the trees: "With avian flu, we should be having them out."

RSPB spokesman Andre Farrar slammed Cllr Scurrah's remarks.

Mr Farrar said: "The main risk out there at the moment is the reaction to the risk of bird flu, which is worse than the problem itself."

Mr Farrar said the government had specifically advised that trees with nesting birds should not to be torn down because it could lead to a greater risk of the disease being spread.

The new development, proposed by Guardian Care Homes UK, will house young people with learning disabilities, elderly but independent people and alcohol-related, brain-damaged clients.

Copeland Borough councillors agreed to tear down the trees with some new replanting to make way for the site at last Wednesday’s planning meeting.

Councillor Joan Hully was the only member who voted against the proposal.

http://www.nwemail.co.uk/news/viewarticle.aspx?id=356531

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PCViking

Lutefisk Survivor
Indonesia

Family 'infected' with bird flu
National News - April 19, 2006

BANDARLAMPUNG, Lampung: A family of five was admitted to Abdul Moeloek hospital in Bandurlampung on Sunday, all suffering from suspected bird flu.

The family -- Abidi, the husband and his wife Sarmawati, both 52, and three of their six children, Septi, 12, Fitri, 8 and Putra, 5 -- are now being treated in an isolation room. The five have all demonstrated a high fever and a cough, symptoms of the deadly bird flu.

Sarmawati has been treated at the hospital since last Thursday. Her other three children had been diagnosed with bird flu earlier. Mohtar Rozi, 15, died March 31, and Betharia, 19, died April 4, while Bakhrudin, 26, is still being treated at the hospital.

Both Mohtar and Betharia died at home before they could be sent to the hospital. Their parents had limited funds and knew little about the virus.

Laboratory tests on drug samples taken from the patients confirmed Bakhrudin, Septi, Fitri and Putra were infected with the bird flu virus, while Abidi and Sarmawati were negative, according to data from the Lampung health office.

In 2004 at least 1.83 million hens in nine regencies throughout Lampung province died, possibly from bird flu, and last year the virus killed another 4,305 hens in the province.

Seven other suspected bird flu patients had been admitted to Abdul Moeloek hospital before the family. After appropriate medical treatment, all recovered. -- JP

http://www.thejakartapost.com/yesterdaydetail.asp?fileid=20060419.D06

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JPD

Inactive
Bird flu hard to catch, but deadly, says new research


http://breakingnews.iol.ie/news/story.asp?j=180025058&p=y8xxz5764

20/04/2006 - 08:42:16

Bird flu remains extremely hard to catch, but strikes with deadly force in the unlucky few who become infected, new research suggests.

The good-news, bad-news message has frustrated scientists trying to understand the disease and head off a possible pandemic.

In one of the largest studies of its kind, scientists in Cambodia took blood samples from 351 people in a small village where one of the country’s six bird flu deaths traced to the H5N1 virus was confirmed.

They found no antibodies for H5N1 in any of the specimens, indicating nobody became infected, having either recovered after falling only mildly ill or displayed no symptoms whatsoever.

The results mirror similar studies conducted in Vietnam, Thailand and Indonesia – where the virus has shown up in birds and the people it has infected, but left few other clues.

While experts stress more research is needed to determine the disease’s true virulence, the research strengthens the World Health Organisation’s grim assessment that H5N1 kills about 56% of those infected.

The good news, doctors say, is that most people do not catch the virus in its current form. The bad news is that those who do are in grave danger.

“Clearly, we’re not seeing widespread classical influenza infections with this virus or we would have picked it up by now,” said Michael Perdue, a WHO virologist in Geneva who did not participate in the study.

“I think the case fatality rate probably is pretty significant given the data that we have.”

The authors said they expected to find bird flu antibodies in at least 2% of the people they sampled, and were baffled why only one 28-year-old farmer became infected and died in the March 2005 outbreak.

Dead birds were reported in the village in Cambodia’s southern Kampot province and the H5N1 virus was detected in poultry there. Many villagers surveyed said they had very close, daily contact with the birds – collecting dead or sick poultry, feeding them, cleaning up faeces, plucking and eating them.

“That supports data from all over the region suggesting that it’s actually very inefficient to transfer from birds to humans,” said Benjamin Coghlan, a WHO epidemiologist from Australia who participated in the study.

“So, what does (the transfer) require? Well, we’re not sure,” he said. “Certainly, this case in the village wasn’t doing anything unusual that everyone else in the village wasn’t doing.”

The study, conducted in March and June last year, has been submitted to The Lancet medical journal for consideration, and its results were presented at a recent medical conference in Atlanta, Georgia.

The findings dispute an earlier Swedish study suggesting many people likely become mildly infected by bird flu and recover quickly.

That survey – based solely on circumstantial evidence with no blood tests - involved more than 45,000 people in northern Vietnam. The researchers concluded that 650-750 flu-like illnesses could have been linked to contact with sick or dead birds.

Blood samples collected during January’s bird flu outbreaks in Turkey are still being analysed, said Perdue.

Some experts warn the numbers could be misleading, especially when there have been fewer than 200 cases confirmed by the WHO worldwide since the H5N1 virus began ravaging Asian poultry stocks in late 2003. Of that total, 109 people have died.

“In Cambodia, they’d only need to miss five cases that survived for the case fatality rate to halve,” said Peter Horby, an epidemiologist conducting research in Vietnam for Oxford University.

But he does not believe a large number of cases have gone undetected.

Lead author of the Cambodia study, Dr Sirenda Vong said the findings could be interpreted positively and negatively.

“It’s very reassuring because there’s very low transmission from avian to human, but how about the high case fatality rate?” said Vong, the head of the Pasteur Institute’s epidemiology and public health unit in Phnom Penh.

“A lot of people said: ‘Oh, we have a high case fatality rate because we’re not able to detect mild cases.’ But if we don’t have a lot of mild cases that means the case fatality rate may be right and very high – similar to Ebola,” he said.

Health experts fear the bird flu virus will mutate into a form easily spread among people, potentially sparking a pandemic. So far, most human cases have been linked to contact with infected birds.
 

spinnerholic

Inactive
PCViking said:
Regardless, poultry is safe to eat if people cook it to 165 degrees and follow basic kitchen safety rules, he said.

Only 165 degrees to be safe, huh? There is no mention of kitchen safety handlig procedures, so are we supposed to assume the cook should boil her/his hands and all kitchen utensils used in preparing the infected "food" and all is well? Woopie!

It's just grand to know that we can eat food animals infected with deadly disease and be perfectly safe if we just COOK it right? If we get the temp high enough for long enough? Well, why not? We've been doing this for years anyway, with beef and chicken. Oh yeah, and we will still be paying the same as usual for this "food" to feed ourselves and families - like we are right now, only different diseases.

I haven't tried it myself and don't advise others to do so, but I imagine that under these same guidelines, if one boiled poop soup long enough, at a high enough temp, it might also qualify under these rules and regs as "safe" to eat.

ANYTHING for the almighthy profit margin! Business first!

I feel like Alice falling down the rabbit hole.
 

Berean

Veteran Member
"Free-ranging chickens and small, backyard flocks will be at greatest risk if deadly bird flu reaches the United States, officials said Wednesday.

They also said they would begin killing off flocks large or small if they are suspected of having the virus – even before tests are completed."

Sounds like the little guy is going to get hit again......:shk:
 

PCViking

Lutefisk Survivor
post #2 said:
Originally Posted by PCViking
Regardless, poultry is safe to eat if people cook it to 165 degrees and follow basic kitchen safety rules, he said.

spinnerholic said:
Only 165 degrees to be safe, huh? There is no mention of kitchen safety handlig procedures, so are we supposed to assume the cook should boil her/his hands and all kitchen utensils used in preparing the infected "food" and all is well? Woopie!

It's just grand to know that we can eat food animals infected with deadly disease and be perfectly safe if we just COOK it right? If we get the temp high enough for long enough? Well, why not? We've been doing this for years anyway, with beef and chicken. Oh yeah, and we will still be paying the same as usual for this "food" to feed ourselves and families - like we are right now, only different diseases.

I haven't tried it myself and don't advise others to do so, but I imagine that under these same guidelines, if one boiled poop soup long enough, at a high enough temp, it might also qualify under these rules and regs as "safe" to eat.

ANYTHING for the almighthy profit margin! Business first!

I feel like Alice falling down the rabbit hole.

Hey, I was just posting the article... When I post an article, I try to be complete from title & text to date & URL. Maybe I should put in a disqualifier, that I don't agree with everything in every article???

As for my house, Poultry is off our menu... :turk2: ...it was an unanimous decision.

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PCViking

Lutefisk Survivor
Sound flu alarms loudly and long

Apr. 19, 2006 12:00 AM

Regarding "Science doesn't support fears of U.S. bird-flu pandemic" (Viewpoints, Sunday):

While Dr. Marc Siegel provocatively highlights the vexing uncertainties surrounding the bird flu, his perspective is a narrow one. The potential public health menace posed by pandemic influenza encompasses far more than the H5N1 bird flu.

In addition to the multiple H5N1 bird flu strains presently of concern, many other forms of influenza viruses exist, and the next human pandemic could spring from any of them. The overwhelming expert consensus remains that whether or not it happens that a H5N1 bird flu strain sparks it, an influenza pandemic is inevitable. If bird flu is suppressed somehow or fortuitously fades away, it is imperative to recognize that the underlying danger of pandemic influenza does not depart with this virus.

The perverse quandary is that even an unexpected and welcome quick exit of the H5N1 virus, an event that could offer the much-needed breathing room to bolster our defenses, might actually prove perilous if it leads the public to the erroneous conclusion that all threat has passed.

In that event, H5N1 bird flu could claim its most significant and ultimately tragic casualties: political support and financial wherewithal for emerging global programs to combat the permanent menace of pandemic influenza.

In light of the full body of the facts and all that is at stake, leaders sounding an alarm are being neither hasty nor hysterical. -Tyler A. Kokjohn, Glendale
The writer is a professor of microbiology at Midwestern University.

http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/opinions/articles/0419wedlets194.html

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PCViking

Lutefisk Survivor
China

One Person Dies from Bird Flu in China

20 April 2006 | 19:10 | FOCUS News Agency

Beijing. 21-year-old season worker became the latest victim of the avian influenza virus, AFP reported, citing Chinese media. The man, whose last name was Lai, died in the town of Vuxan on Wednesday, Xinhua reported. This is the 12-th death case in China, caused by the bird flu virus, the agency notes

http://www.focus-fen.net/index.php?catid=139&newsid=86847&ch=0&datte=2006-04-20

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Wonder what the policy will be as far as pet birds. Parrots, cockatiels, parakeets, etc. If they stay inside would they be safe?
 

Fuzzychick

Membership Revoked
Good question Gator, would they actually go house to house to find out, perhaps, but I don't think pet birds will be on the top of the hit list, those with livestock, chickens, turkeys etc. will be. The day it's here mass culling of flocks is a sure bet.
 
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