Explosive Device kills one at Univ. of Oklahoma [Updated Title] Merged

[MaureenO]

Originally Posted by splicerswife

You just might be right.

Ya just never know. And we never will.

Maureen

[Satanta]

Well he might have been planning on bombing the bleachers or the mascot or cheerleaders or whatnot.

I've built things like that to rid self of pesky problems like tree stumps and alligaters.

Might have accidentally flipped the trigger too soon.

Things like this is one of the reasons I try to avoid crowds.

[Thomas Paine]

Originally Posted by Satanta

Well he might have been planning on bombing the bleachers or the mascot or cheerleaders or whatnot.

I've built things like that to rid self of pesky problems like tree stumps and alligaters.

Might have accidentally flipped the trigger too soon.

Things like this is one of the reasons I try to avoid crowds.

Another thought, considering the reports of the cell phones being taken out during the game.Maybe one of the frequency hopping advance detonators used to set off IED s was used by authories to set the thing off before it could get into the target zone. There is a theory that most bomb vests have a command detonation back up incase Ahab losses his nerve. This kid sounds like a text book case of a type of person who could be targeted , and converted/brainwashed to do the deed and get around profiling . He was a loner, rather odd to having mental problems reported. And remember the early reports of by a female mid eastern descent student who reported 2 middle eastern males fleeing into the stadium after the boom.

[MaureenO]

Originally Posted by Thomas Paine

Another thought, considering the reports of the cell phones being taken out during the game.Maybe one of the frequency hopping advance detonators used to set off IED s was used by authories to set the thing off before it could get into the target zone. There is a theory that most bomb vests have a command detonation back up incase Ahab losses his nerve. This kid sounds like a text book case of a type of person who could be targeted , and converted/brainwashed to do the deed and get around profiling . He was a loner, rather odd to having mental problems reported. And remember the early reports of by a female mid eastern descent student who reported 2 middle eastern males fleeing into the stadium after the boom.

Could well be, Thomas.

Maureen

[MaureenO]

Originally Posted by Satanta

Might have accidentally flipped the trigger too soon.

Things like this is one of the reasons I try to avoid crowds.

Smart move these days, Sat...

Maureen

[Satanta]

frequency hopping advance detonators used to set off IED

I want one! Can you imagine-pulling in for groceries and some dude in a sheet goes ~poof!~ in the middle of the parking lot?

[Synap]

A small bit of (maybe) OT. Going thru a border patol checkpoint today..something very different from the usual. Usually they just sorta eyeball vehicle and folks within and make a common sense decision about pass or not. Except the days immediately following 911, I never experienced a close look, nor, except back then, did the officer approach my truck with hand on his weapon. Today he did..hand on weapon..thumb break open..and he inspected the back. I noticed this close inspection for the few vehicles ahead of me and the one behind. His attitude was VERY tense. That made me remember having seen more BP vehicles today and several of their choppers above. Usually BP chopper activities are low on weakends and daytime around here.

FWIW..my sense is heightened BP alert staus. Came home and switched on the scanner but nothing unusual but BP's been changing freqs recently so until I find those new ones I'm prolly no longer getting good scanning results. On another vein, there was a hazmat call blurb from the Tucson PD about 4pm but I've not seen/heard further on that.

[minkykat]

Synap:

Sometimes it's little things like this that are forerunners of bigger things. I recall that on 09/10/01, flying back to LAX from a little airport in IA, the security was hopping. They were pulling every 3rd person off line and going thru bags and over the person with a wand. I was yanked out and given the go over. They passed the wand over my hands, stuck it in my purse, went over the bags ect. My chatty Step-father asked the guy what he was looking for.
"Explosive powder residue" came the reply.
Step-dad thought that was pretty funny and kidded me for having worn all black that day, said that it must have made me look threatening.
Got the green light to go, collected my gear and thought no more about it until the following morning...

Thanks for the heads up on the border.

[don24mac]

Technically, are they lying? What do you have when a suicide bomber misses? Just a suicide?

[SectionOne]

This is for IOUJC....a few posts back I know you were distressed, I felt that way when things started "clicking" for me....hence my signature at the end of my posts....so true don't you think?

[Deena in GA]

Well our local news FINALLY had a short story on this last night. Presented it as a suicide by the guy putting an explosive device in a backpack and then putting it on. No mention of a second device. Even if I hadn't already read all about it here, that story would be extremely hard to swallow. Sure am glad I didn't come on here late Saturday while my daughter was at the Auburn football game. You would have heard me screaming at her to get home no matter where you were.

edited to add: I just went to the website of the channel I saw the report on so I could give you the link where she said that about putting on the backpack, but the story either was never put on the website or has been pulled. I did a search even and nothing showed up. Interesting.

[mzkitty]

This is being posted around now:

[minkykat]

Such an odd looking young man, rather like one of those characters from that old '60's series, "Thunderbirds are Go."

Nuthin' not one thing on morning news that I could find. Meanwhile over at
http://www.homelandsecurityus.com/

they are beeping the horn long and loud that this is yet another "dot" to connect Norman, OK to a host of big events . For a town with such a bland name, they do seem to have a lot of co-winky-dinks with the abnormal.

[mzkitty]

On the other boards that this picture is on, people are commenting that certain types of Muslims always grow beards. Hmmm...

[Lilbitsnana]

mzkitty, is the photo "legit"? or "shopped"? yes, it seems the "jihadists" usually do have facial hair. remember the "Taliban" made all men grow beards to a specific length?

[Arkanjel]

Here is an interesting twist on what could have happened.

http://www.whatdoesitmean.com/index832.htm

Unfortunately we will never know for sure.

[ioujc]

To Section One....yes, I see what you mean!!

[mzkitty]

Originally Posted by Lilbitsnana

mzkitty, is the photo "legit"? or "shopped"? yes, it seems the "jihadists" usually do have facial hair. remember the "Taliban" made all men grow beards to a specific length?

I don't think an FR poster would shop it, that's where I saw it first this morning, then on another board.

But I can't ask since I'm not a member there.

[MissTina]

Suspect Identified: 21-year-old Joel Henry Hinrichs III of Colorado Springs, CO.

Hinrichs...German Name ????

http://www.homelandsecurityus.com/
Homeland Security does call this an FAILED SUICIDE BOMBING OUTSIDE OF PACKED OKLAHOMA UNIVERSITY FOOTBALL STADIUM
ISLAMIC BOMB-MAKING MATERIALS & ADDITIONAL EXPLOSIVES REPORTEDLY FOUND IN "SUICIDE BOMBER'S" APARTMENT

[Synap]

hehe..it must be terribly demoralizing to the terrs to have these 'incidents' either blacked out, or worse yet, dismissed as a just another insignificant nutjob event, and not give them the satisfaction of "terrorizing" anyone.

[Doomer Doug]

I note thesefacts.
One, the spin is so heavy it reminds me of a washing machine.
Two, it was a suicide bomb, or a suicide by blowing up a bomb.
Three, it happened outside a packed stadium.
Four, it happend just after the Bali bombings
Five, it happened two days before Ramadan starts
Six, we may never know officially.

this is what I think. A domestic terror attack that was prevented from inflicting maximum damage at the last minute. The man obviously intended to take a few people with him or he wouldn't have been outside a packed football stadium.

Ramadan starts on October 4th. We shall see if a wave of Suicide bombers hit the USA now.

[Jenny]

I'm a resident of Norman and, according to a friend inside local law enforcement, they definitely to NOT think it was just a suicide. IOW, the bomb was clearly not meant to go off where/when it did. There was at least one eyewitness to the explosion itself and the guy didn't do anything to cause the explosion. He walked up to a bench, took his backpack off, sat down w/ it on his lap and was "hugging" it . . . sort of like resting his head on it, if that makes sense. This was just minutes before halftime of the game (which I was at, btw), a time when thousands of people leave the stands and go under/outside the stadium and smoke, walk aroud, get concessions, mill around, etc. The bench the guy was sitting on is about 75-100 yards from the stadium. I think he was sitting & waiting for all the people to come out at halftime. He couldn't have gotten inside the stadium w/o a ticket, but could have quickly put himself in the position have been in a perfect location to hit others outside the stadium if the bomb had not gone off prematurely. Also, the bomb was made of some sort of highly volatile, home-cooked, liquid explosive, not a pipe bomb as has been reported in the local news.

Also, just to let you know that the guy does have islamic ties. A middle eastern roommate, for one. Other ME friends, associates, also. The more recent (i.e., more "muslim-looking") picture that has been posted here and elsewhere is accurate. They did find other explosives, etc. in his apartment. I didn't hear anything about Islamic literature, though. The local LEs don't know if he was acting alone or in concert w/ others from what I've been told. He did have some personal problems and bouts w/ depression so it's possible this was his way of making some sort of last grand gesture/statement and there weren't others involved, but due to all of his ME associates, it's also very possible he was one of a group of people. I certainly hope that's not the case.

This is a very nice, quiet, very typical mid-western college town (someone above said it has a bland-sounding name, which I take issue with. We're not bland at all!!) and it is a bit of a stretch to think of this being the hotbed of Islamic fundamentalism, but one of the 9/11 hijackers did live here for a time so this would not be the first brush w/ terrorism we've had . . . if, indeed, that's what this is.

At any rate, I think this should be at least a little heads up for everyone.

Jenny

[Lilbitsnana]

Thanks, Jenny. I don't know much about that area except what has been mentioned in the last few years. It does sound nice, but it sounds like there is something going on "behind the scenes" as far as ME activities etc. I think it was mentioned in a post above and on the news? a year or so ago, that the Nick Berg? guy had a connection there also? Then again, I think there are a lot of areas that have more going on than the gen. population knows about.

[Jenny]

Yes, apparently, Nick Berg had some sort of connection (through his computer if I recall correctly) w/ Moussaui, the would-be 9/11 hijacker that lived here and trained at a local flight school.

[mzkitty]

Well, well, well. Take a gander at this. It was on FR. It goes with what the cretin said on that other board that I posted about in the Terror sig, which I'll attach here again for the members (sorry lurkers). This is VERY IMPORTANT. There's more to it but I'm not comfortable putting it here. It's Post #3707 there:



The only sign that a bombing occurred is yellow tape and at least 50 matches surrounding the area where Joel Hinrichs, 21-year-old engineering student, was killed while sitting on a bench. The bench was removed this morning."
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3,707 posted on 10/03/2005

Ours:

http://www.timebomb2000.com/vb/showt...=169840&page=1

[AddisonRose]

Originally Posted by mzkitty

Well, well, well. Take a gander at this. It was on FR. It goes with what the cretin said on that other board that I posted about in the Terror sig, which I'll attach here again for the members (sorry lurkers). This is VERY IMPORTANT. There's more to it but I'm not comfortable putting it here. It's Post #3707 there:



The only sign that a bombing occurred is yellow tape and at least 50 matches surrounding the area where Joel Hinrichs, 21-year-old engineering student, was killed while sitting on a bench. The bench was removed this morning."
~~~~~~

3,707 posted on 10/03/2005

Ours:

http://www.timebomb2000.com/vb/showt...=169840&page=1

Wow MzKitty, nice catch. I just got goosebumps. AR

[Scarletbreasted]

I find it VERY strange that this bomb had no shrapnel/ball-bearings/nails etc. in it, it is usually the norm to use these if maximum injury/death is the prime aim.

Yet, photos of the buses "splattered with the remains of the bomber & being hosed off by the FD" show no signs of shrapnel impact????????

The situation gets stranger by the hour!!!!!
SB

[minkykat]

Originally Posted by Jenny

This is a very nice, quiet, very typical mid-western college town (someone above said it has a bland-sounding name, which I take issue with. We're not bland at all!!) Jenny

Sorry 'bout that. I was the one who said it was "bland" sounding. In that, I meant it doesn't have the upbeat sound of say, "What Cheer, IA" or the ominous ring of "Hell, MI". It's just, "Hi, I'm Norman."

Not exactly the place one would expect to see the begining of the end of an age having roots in.

But then, maybe that's what TPTB had planned all along....
(cut to wierd organ music)

[Jenny]

Originally Posted by minkykat

Sorry 'bout that. I was the one who said it was "bland" sounding. In that, I meant it doesn't have the upbeat sound of say, "What Cheer, IA" or the ominous ring of "Hell, MI". It's just, "Hi, I'm Norman."

Not exactly the place one would expect to see the begining of the end of an age having roots in.

But then, maybe that's what TPTB had planned all along....
(cut to wierd organ music)

That's OK, Minkykat. I understand . . . it does SOUND kind of bland, but we Sooners are anything but!! Ha-Ha!

Anyway, I don't know where the information about the matches came from. My inside source didn't say anthing about that. I'll check again. But the eyewitness to the actual explosion said that the guy was 1) definitely alone and 2) did not do anything to cause the bag to explode. He was holding it in his lap and it exploded. Period. No match lighting involved. Also, this info. is coming from someone who is inside local law enforcement and is very trustworthy. I've know them my whole life.

[mzkitty]

Originally Posted by Jenny

That's OK, Minkykat. I understand . . . it does SOUND kind of bland, but we Sooners are anything but!! Ha-Ha!

Anyway, I don't know where the information about the matches came from. My inside source didn't say anthing about that. I'll check again. But the eyewitness to the actual explosion said that the guy was 1) definitely alone and 2) did not do anything to cause the bag to explode. He was holding it in his lap and it exploded. Period. No match lighting involved. Also, this info. is coming from someone who is inside local law enforcement and is very trustworthy. I've know them my whole life.

This what it says on that post:

However, on another blog, around 7:50PM CDT, a poster copied the OU Daily update from 5:30PM and it read like this--this is also how it is still published:

[Rusty Shackelford]

Fair use educational....

BREAKING UPDATE: ISLAMIC BOMB-MAKING MATERIALS & ADDITIONAL EXPLOSIVES REPORTEDLY FOUND IN "SUICIDE BOMBER´S" APARTMENT

Suspect Identified: 21-year-old Joel Henry Hinrichs III of Colorado Springs, CO


Islamic Bomb-Making documents, Other Jihad Materials Reportedly Removed from Suspect´s Park View Apartment

Suspect´s Apartment located Near the Islamic Society of Norman, OK

Bombing Was Indeed a failed "Domestic Terrorist Attack"
By Douglas J. Hagmann, Director

2 October 2005; 11:50 p.m.: Law enforcement sources close to the Northeast Intelligence Network have confirmed that search and seizure warrants were served today upon the residence of the “suicide bomber, 21-year-old Joel Henry Hinrichs III of Colorado Springs, CO, who was a resident of the Park View Apartments on campus. Speaking strictly “off the record,” the officials stated that they recovered “a significant amount” of Islamic “Jihad” type literature, some possibly written in Arabic, along with the suspect’s computer. Some of the documentation included material on how to construct bomb-making vests.

Further reports by the same officials indicated that the bomb was detonated prematurely when the suspect was either arming a bomb vest or backpack, which contained TATP, a homemade explosive. TATP (triacetone triperoxide) is a very potent but relatively easily manufactured explosive compound that was used in the July London bombings. It is important to note that TATP has been cited in numerous Jihad bomb-making manuals.

The same officials, requiring anonymity as the investigation is ongoing, continued to confirm that “other un-detonated explosive devices were found in the area cordoned off by police and federal officials.” Those devices WERE NOT DETONATED, but carefully confiscated for further forensic testing. Initially, information provided to the Northeast Intelligence Network suggested that that the so-called “suicide-bomber” was attempting to attach bombs to the buses parked in the area when one of the bombs detonated prematurely. The investigation has expanded into the possibility that others might have been involved.

Additional information is being developed.

www.homelandsecurityus.com

[Garryowen]

Oddly enough, out here in IL I have seen nothing in the papers, and heard nothing on the radio, and nothing on Fox news on TV. This is really odd, since the police are releasing information in OK. I should have thought we would be getting something on the news by now.

[freebyrd]

let this be a lesson to all of you, this is how controlled the media is,
all you folks who only watch fox news because you think it is a conservative mouthpiece, and everyone who prefers cnn, because you think they stick it to bush more often,
you all should plainly see when it comes time to march lockstep in unison and completly lock down a story, they are all on the same page,

its truly frightening, and anybody who thinks well its a good thing because were not giving the terrorists the exposure they want, well the trade off is too much, i would much rather have a media that isn't taking orders from homeland security,thank you very much.
it makes us no better than russia and our media no better than pravda
freebyrd

[DayByDay]

Freebyrd...AMEN!!!

[Mad Spook]

Very well said, Freebyrd. Our media are as one with tyranny.

[mzkitty]

Originally Posted by Mad Spook

Very well said, Freebyrd. Our media are as one with tyranny.

They can't give up the big bucks. The higher up the food chain, the bigger the bucks, the harder it is to give up, it buys too many things, and puts your kid in Harvard. You're in The Club. Same old, same old.........

[freebyrd]

thanks mzkitty for all the time and research you put into this thread,
you've done a bang up job
freebyrd

[Housecarl]

Originally Posted by freebyrd

let this be a lesson to all of you, this is how controlled the media is,
all you folks who only watch fox news because you think it is a conservative mouthpiece, and everyone who prefers cnn, because you think they stick it to bush more often,
you all should plainly see when it comes time to march lockstep in unison and completly lock down a story, they are all on the same page,

its truly frightening, and anybody who thinks well its a good thing because were not giving the terrorists the exposure they want, well the trade off is too much, i would much rather have a media that isn't taking orders from homeland security,thank you very much.
it makes us no better than russia and our media no better than pravda
freebyrd

Remember how fast they were in not showing footage from the World Trade Center showing casualties or jumpers unlike in Europe where they were seeing the raw footage. Also how lock step they all have been in not often repeating any of the footage. Same thing for the protrails of the DC snipers et al. I'd say that they've got their playbook down now. The object of th exercise is to keep things from boiling over. They all learned their lesson after the LA riots. Remember how the live feeds fed further looting in LA and other towns?

My guess with this one is that there's a full court press to dig out any co-conspirators. And I'd expect them to be picked up on unrelated charges and disappeared to both keep the sheeple from panicking and to keep the opposition from knowing how much/what degree of a handle the LEOs/Intels have on things here. Spooky stuff, figuratively and literally.

[freebyrd]

Remember how fast they were in not showing footage from the World Trade Center showing casualties or jumpers unlike in Europe where they were seeing the raw footage. Also how lock step they all have been in not often repeating any of the footage. Same thing for the protrails of the DC snipers et al. I'd say that they've got their playbook down now. The object of th exercise is to keep things from boiling over. They all learned their lesson after the LA riots. Remember how the live feeds fed further looting in LA and other towns?

My guess with this one is that there's a full court press to dig out any co-conspirators. And I'd expect them to be picked up on unrelated charges and disappeared to both keep the sheeple from panicking and to keep the opposition from knowing how much/what degree of a handle the LEOs/Intels have on things here. Spooky stuff, figuratively and literally.
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good points housecarl,
i don't know, i can from the era of watergate, i was a kid then but whatever you think of woodward and bernstein now, at least they were allowed and encouraged to follow their leads,
today it would never happen the editors would shut them down damn quick,
welcome to the new world order

[Thomas Paine]

Originally Posted by Jenny

I'm a resident of Norman and, according to a friend inside local law enforcement, they definitely to NOT think it was just a suicide. IOW, the bomb was clearly not meant to go off where/when it did. There was at least one eyewitness to the explosion itself and the guy didn't do anything to cause the explosion. He walked up to a bench, took his backpack off, sat down w/ it on his lap and was "hugging" it . . . sort of like resting his head on it, if that makes sense. This was just minutes before halftime of the game (which I was at, btw), a time when thousands of people leave the stands and go under/outside the stadium and smoke, walk aroud, get concessions, mill around, etc. The bench the guy was sitting on is about 75-100 yards from the stadium. I think he was sitting & waiting for all the people to come out at halftime. He couldn't have gotten inside the stadium w/o a ticket, but could have quickly put himself in the position have been in a perfect location to hit others outside the stadium if the bomb had not gone off prematurely. Also, the bomb was made of some sort of highly volatile, home-cooked, liquid explosive, not a pipe bomb as has been reported in the local news.

Also, just to let you know that the guy does have islamic ties. A middle eastern roommate, for one. Other ME friends, associates, also. The more recent (i.e., more "muslim-looking") picture that has been posted here and elsewhere is accurate. They did find other explosives, etc. in his apartment. I didn't hear anything about Islamic literature, though. The local LEs don't know if he was acting alone or in concert w/ others from what I've been told. He did have some personal problems and bouts w/ depression so it's possible this was his way of making some sort of last grand gesture/statement and there weren't others involved, but due to all of his ME associates, it's also very possible he was one of a group of people. I certainly hope that's not the case.

This is a very nice, quiet, very typical mid-western college town (someone above said it has a bland-sounding name, which I take issue with. We're not bland at all!!) and it is a bit of a stretch to think of this being the hotbed of Islamic fundamentalism, but one of the 9/11 hijackers did live here for a time so this would not be the first brush w/ terrorism we've had . . . if, indeed, that's what this is.

At any rate, I think this should be at least a little heads up for everyone.

Jenny

First Jenny thanks for the local report. Scrub everything your friend tells you for his sake. Next if one of the hi jackers stayed there you have a support cell at the very least operating in your community. One of the hi jackers dorve a taxi in Birmingham for several months. and we (accordig to htose who know) have several support cells in the area.
Next as I stated earlyier if this kid have depression or other metnal problem she could be targeted for use and bascially used as a throw away type, someone they could afford to waste and not really cost them anything. Also the way the bomb went off according to your friend sounds like it was either badly put together or someone /something remoted detonated it. Maybe a frequency jammer/signal genenorator as I have mentioned before.

Curiouser and Curiouser said Alice.