From the Fringe

BoneDaddy

Membership Revoked
We have witnessed perhaps the greatest tragedy we shall see in our lifetime. We have, for the purposes of our generation, lost one of our most beloved cities. I have heard, with utter astonishment, as people stated that the “hand of god” wiped out the sinners. I have heard fault cast at various levels of government. I have seen the utter failure of government to carry out its basic purpose, which is to protect our rights and property.

The aftermath will be, as witnessed on television, much worse than the actual event itself. This event happened to be a storm. However, the next event could be an earthquake or an attack by terrorists or another nation. This event is clear evidence that we, as a nation, are unprepared to respond to such an event. In fact, from my perspective, the government (at all levels) has been more the hindrance, than the savior. Any authority that we the people vest into bureaucracy will, in the end, be abused to enrich the greedy and empower the ruthless.

The politicians are lining up for “face” time on the talk circuit. The shrills from both the right and the left are deafening. They all blame each other, when in fact they are all to blame. How can we, as a people, ever trust our government to carry out basic functions again? There are many questions that need to be asked. There are too many givens and assumptions to cast upon the funeral pyre. For, if we are to learn anything from this tragedy, that lesson should be to rely on only yourself.

What can we see as some of the failures?

Some have stated that as the mayor did not “force” the evacuation, blame should be his to bear. Even though a mandatory evacuation was ordered, some residents chose to stay. ANY American, who would suggest that those citizens should be ousted out of their homes at the point of a gun, is not only deluded, but also dangerous to liberty. I will no longer entertain these people with reason, as they can not be reasoned with. They should be shunned from society, perhaps seeking to live in communist China where such actions are acceptable.

People are free to make their own decisions. They also must accept the responsibilities of those decisions. I for one would not have contemplated staying unless I was completely prepared for a long period without food and water. Others had no choice. Those without a choice, be it economical or professional should also be prepared for a long term period without basic necessities.

Some have stated that the Governor did not react to the needs of the people. This is both true, and false. Although she was overwhelmed, there was reason. By the government’s figures, there were less than three thousand National Guard troops to secure a vast area and to assist the citizens. Unfortunately for the Governor, over a third of her troops we overseas fighting in a conflict, which is not their responsibility. When additional troops were requested from other states, that request was ignored for at least 72 hours.

Some cast blame on the shoulders of the President. This is tempting, however I am not sure he is in charge to begin with. Ok…. That was simply my attempt at humorous relief. What is the function of the Federal Government in circumstances such as these? Many believe that our would-be masters should care for us as if we were children. I disagree with this point of view. However, let it be understood that when government plunders the treasury for the specific purpose of disaster relief, then refuses to utilize the resources, which it (the government) has funded through theft, then what are we to conclude? Therefore, blame can clearly be cast onto FEMA and the Federal Government.

To compound the situation, there are many reports of FEMA agents impeding and sabotaging rescue and relief efforts. If these allegations prove to be true, those FEMA employees should be held accountable. I do not believe that manslaughter charges would be too extreme in these circumstances.

What can we consider as solutions to our dilemma?

Should we empower the local government to force people from their homes? The answer is absolutely not. Anyone who suggest any such draconian measure should be considered antithetical to liberty and shunned from our society. While efforts should be made to evacuate those who wish to leave, additional efforts should be made by the local authorities to deal with those who either choose to stay, or have no choice but to stay. It is not unreasonable to believe that local authorities can prepare for such a contingency. This, of course is a local matter and should be dealt with on the local level. The past week is stark evidence that each local community should be making preparations NOW.

Should the Governor be allowed to bring in National Guard troops from another state? Theoretically, that ability exists now. However, as we have seen, the federal government can hinder these efforts. Likewise, we see that having a system that can be abused by the federal government, by calling the local troops overseas, is not only highly controversial, but also constitutionally precarious at best. IF the governor had the ability to call up the militia instead of relying on the National Guard bureaucracy (cough – president) then the resources to control the situation would have been available. It may have not been utilized properly, but at least it would have been available. In my state, all citizens and residents between the age of 16 and 60 are considered members of the militia and can be called up by the governor. It is high time that we begin to enforce our militia laws and arm and train our citizens to care for themselves.

Should the Federal Government be involved? Constitutionally, there is no authority for said involvement. I would argue against such a measure. That is not to say that the federal government should not render “assistance” upon request, and judgement rendered for performance. However, the Federal military forces can never be utilized to “police” the population without insurrection or invasion. I realize that the talking heads on the television are already calling for changing the Constitution and requesting such federal authority, but they are do have nefarious motives. Let us not forget E Pluribus Unum. We are many sovereigns united for mutual protection. Many of the things that we identify as being wrong in our society today, can be identified as a result of meddling in local affairs by a centralized, all knowing, all growing federal state. The fight between Jefferson and Hamilton has not ended. It is alive and well today.

Watching the debacle on television play out, I am reminded that it is MY responsibility to insure that my family and my property are secure. That would include preparing for the unthinkable. The idea that you must have 72 hours of preparations on hand is laughable. It is time to start preparing to have at least a months supply of food and water on hand for any such disaster. Perhaps three or six months of provisions are a better level of preparedness. Anyone trying to remove me, or my family, from what I deem to be a secure situation, will be met with any necessary force to insure said security. The confiscation of firearms from law-abiding citizens can not stand. Any attempt to carry out such an act, without provocation, should be met with resistance. I for one would resist. I would hope that my fellow patriots would do the same.

I do not take these words lightly. In a day and age where our government has been co-opted by corpocracy, greed, avarice and gluttony, anything said against the powers-that-be can be construed as seditious. However, the Constitution IS the legal authority of this nation. Any official on the federal, state or local level who suggests otherwise, or promotes the subversion thereof is guilty of sedition BY DEFINITION (look it up in a dictionary).

We should all prepare for the worst and pray for the best. For in the end, we can only rely on ourselves. We are responsible only for our families and ourselves. However, we must not abrogate our duty to our community or our state, or even our Federal Government. Balancing those responsibilities as free individuals is the task we must face. Furthermore, we shall only be free, by allowing ourselves to be responsible. Decide for yourselves, will you be free or will you suckle the teat of the government?
 

mbo

Membership Revoked
nice little speech, and for as truthful as it may be...

... I expect days and weeks more of "why isn't the federal government doing more??!!"

The sheeple have spoken and they are compeletly dependent on what 'the government,' any government, does or does not do for them, to the point they do not insure themselves, disregard the fact they build in dangerous locations, do no prepping, disregard evacuation advice, and basically act like children, all due to the fact that the various governments tolerate their total dependence. And I'm not just talking the poor here - it's been fostered by every level - poor, rich, and businesses.

The "cradle-to-grave take-care-of-me" whining, even here on what is ostensibly a prepper board, is deafening. :shk:

To say such is to be labeled heartless, uncompassionate, cold, and plenty else.

But this increasing dependence on an out-of-control bureaucracy that can snap its fingers and force you to give up your home, your guns, and even your family, is a greater danger than the fact that the feds did not get water to a bunch of evacuees in the Superdome in New Orleans in some theoretical timeframe.

I also expect FEMA to grow into some super-goliath organization, ala the Department of Defense, or Department of Education. The clamoring for making FEMA another Federal Department-level bureaucracy is ratcheting up even now.
 

Cabal

Pissed off Patriot
BD I agree with you... but how many others in this Country do to the point they would actually resist? You had to have seen that CNN video posted here on the forum... all those people, with the exception of that Lawyer were armed and were disarmed without a shot being fired... how many will actually pull the trigger when told to hand the gun over? WIll it be enough to make the government stand up and take notice that they are heading down a dangerous path? Sadly, I don't think there are enough of us left who would die rather than surrender our Rights...
 

GB_Cobber

Inactive
BoneDaddy said:
We have witnessed perhaps the greatest tragedy we shall see in our lifetime.

Now honestly! How seriously can one treat a story shich starts with a prediction of the future. Ya lost me right there.
 

gappedout

Veteran Member
Cabal said:
BD I agree with you... but how many others in this Country do to the point they would actually resist? You had to have seen that CNN video posted here on the forum... all those people, with the exception of that Lawyer were armed and were disarmed without a shot being fired... how many will actually pull the trigger when told to hand the gun over? WIll it be enough to make the government stand up and take notice that they are heading down a dangerous path? Sadly, I don't think there are enough of us left who would die rather than surrender our Rights...

i'm not so concerned about my rights, as i am about the freedom of those who are too young to defend themselves... and of those who have not yet been born...

William Wallace comes to mind...
 

gappedout

Veteran Member
GB_Cobber said:
Now honestly! How seriously can one treat a story shich starts with a prediction of the future. Ya lost me right there.

you must have missed the word 'perhaps' then... if we become real men someday soon and stand up for ourselves, this very well could be the worst we have to endure...
 

BoneDaddy

Membership Revoked
mbo.....I understand your concern and perhaps you angst. However, there are still patriots out there. All told, the failure of the government should be an awakening. It will be an uphill battle, but perhaps federalism can save the union.

Cabal said:
BD I agree with you... but how many others in this Country do to the point they would actually resist?

I will resist. I will also surround myself with those that will resist. Thank you for agreeing with me.
GB Noobie said:
Now honestly! How seriously can one treat a story shich starts with a prediction of the future. Ya lost me right there.

Learn to read

gappedout said:
i'm not so concerned about my rights, as i am about the freedom of those who are too young to defend themselves... and of those who have not yet been born...

You should be. It is for them that we are about to engage.
 

Cabal

Pissed off Patriot
gappedout said:
i'm not so concerned about my rights, as i am about the freedom of those who are too young to defend themselves... and of those who have not yet been born...

William Wallace comes to mind...

he was ultimately betrayed by some of his own Countrymen who sought to maintain their own insignificant power wasn't he?
 

BoneDaddy

Membership Revoked
Please note.....the damage toll will rise....the money expended from the treasury will rise....

But...it will not go to individuals. It will go to big money contributors to the tax funded politicial parties. Those that enrich the usurpers of our Constitution. Take note and take names. These are our enemies.
 

tanstaafl

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Hold onto your hats for awhile longer if this is your first or second "major" event. I think someone did a study that concluded everyone is likely to go through three or four major events in the normal course of their lifetimes. Events like a major war, a devastating hurricane, a devastating flood, an epidemic, a devastating earthquake, a huge riot, a revolution, an extended drought, etc.
 

Cabal

Pissed off Patriot
tanstaafl said:
Hold onto your hats for awhile longer if this is your first or second "major" event. I think someone did a study that concluded everyone is likely to go through three or four major events in the normal course of their lifetimes. Events like a major war, a devastating hurricane, a devastating flood, an epidemic, a devastating earthquake, a huge riot, a revolution, an extended drought, etc.

This is #2...
First was 9-11-01 and then Katrina... in both disasters we've seen a rapid degredation of inidvidual rights on a national and local level.. not much left that they can take from us.. I don't think I can take 1 or 2 more...
 

Cabal

Pissed off Patriot
Christian for Israel said:
honestly, the whole idea of shooting and being shot at scares the crap out of me! that said, i WILL resist...even if i am the only one.

You should be scared when you get shot at.. I'd tend to think that if you don't get scared if someone is shooting at you, then you're an idiot... that fear should be incentive enough to kill the SOB who is shooting at you... fear is good...
 

Harkonnen

Inactive
Don't forget such other incedents such as Waco or Ruby Ridge... the latter was only not blown into an all-out war by the old farts. Patience was administered so it didn't happen...the youngsters were told to stand down, but it was really close.
It won't happen again though, as enough has transpired lately to open all eyes as to what's going down.
 

BoneDaddy

Membership Revoked
Cabal said:
You should be scared when you get shot at.. I'd tend to think that if you don't get scared if someone is shooting at you, then you're an idiot... that fear should be incentive enough to kill the SOB who is shooting at you... fear is good...

I gotta make notes in the BS.
 

BoneDaddy

Membership Revoked
I am concerned . I think they may be weeding us out.
Bubba will be happy.
On the other hand, I know a few southernors who will not be.
 

the_end

Membership Revoked
CRISIS - From the Fringe

CRISIS - From the Fringe IS the best written, well said statement, explaination and declaration I have ever read.
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I can only add or suggest that you-all watch Sunday AM tv news shows.

It should be both a hoot (like Friday night's 20/20 non-confession of guilt by Colin Powell) and the TOTAL exposure of the baffoons, liars, cheats and scum under studio lights.
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Please note: This is it. From now on we are on our own.

It's 9/11 all over again, but this time "we" are wiser. Will the freedom march go on? It's NOT in my TeeVee guide. If you wish to listen to the "festivities" this is about the only, live radio broadcast coverage I know, other than military tv and Washington local TV.

http://www.wtopnews.com/index.php?sid=1735&nid=162
 

gappedout

Veteran Member
BoneDaddy said:
then again...what did you think about my piece? I need constructive criticism.

well-written... bases covered... i like that you're pissed off...

i also think you're a lot smarter than some would give you credit for...

though it may be too late for words, we still have to try...

i respect your efforts and believe you've done a great job stating your opinions...

keep it up BD... we only need to convince/rally a couple million people and we're home free... ;)
 

BoneDaddy

Membership Revoked
gappedout said:
well-written... bases covered... i like that you're pissed off...

i also think you're a lot smarter than some would give you credit for...

though it may be too late for words, we still have to try...

i respect your efforts and believe you've done a great job stating your opinions...

keep it up BD... we only need to convince/rally a couple million people and we're home free... ;)

lol....but the fascist put me on their ignor list....stating I am a "liberal".....

Though....I really don't understand WHY I could be considered as such.

*******

Unless.....Those that oppose the neo-cons....regardless of political beliefs.....are to be considered liberal.......

Yeah....

thats it
 

mistaken1

Has No Life - Lives on TB
mbo said:
The "cradle-to-grave take-care-of-me" whining, even here on what is ostensibly a prepper board, is deafening. :shk:

To say such is to be labeled heartless, uncompassionate, cold, and plenty else.

Amen brother.

BoneDaddy

The slience either means very few agree with you and have nothing to say or the vast majority agree with you and have no desire to let the abc monitors know about it.
 

GB_Cobber

Inactive
gappedout said:
you must have missed the word 'perhaps' then... if we become real men someday soon and stand up for ourselves, this very well could be the worst we have to endure...


Actually I think I did miss the word "perhaps" My appologies to the author.

All the emotionally polarized rhetoric lately from the MSM is getting to me.
 

homepark

Resist
Well, bonedaddy, I know that you are not sitting on the edge of your chair waiting for a response from me. Here it is anyway.

Fundamentally you were right on the mark.

When we look for government to take care of us, we give up our individuality, and ultimately our rights. I fear that the Dems and Repubs will look for a greater federal role. The current model clearly assumes local and state planning and control.

In this case, the state and locals did not want to give up control, but were over their heads. The fed was rightly shy of taking over un-invited. So, we got what we got.

I believe that the old civil defense model was better. There was a high degree of self reliance in that approach.
However, politics being what it is today, and the way dependent populations are rewarded for being so, I fear more Federal, intrusive involvement.

Taking away our RKBA has not reduced crime. I think it is safe to assume that abdicating our personal responsibilities to be prepared will make us any safer either.
 

Mineymoe

Inactive
Cabal, you have more shit with you than a Christmas turkey. You chime in with all the other shills like Troke on every income tax resistance thread. You're an ass kisser with no shame.
 
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