PREPS PART 32: CAMPFIRE COOKING

LilRose8

Veteran Member
It has been quite a few weeks since we have had a new category in the PREPS thread.
So here we go!
Please share your style, ingredients, equipment and recipes for campfire cooking. Obviously, there is more to it than jamming a hotdog on a stick.
Anyone out there a champion dutch oven expert?
Who uses a tripod and how far above the fire does the pot need to hang? Are coals better than flames?
What about camp ovens...I confess I bought one recently but still have not researched how to use it.
Anyone use a haybox? How did you build it?

OK all you fireside cowboys......please share.
 

spinner

Veteran Member
Oh yay, LilRose, another in your series! I am looking forward to the responses here, I want to learn about this.

I have and use a haybox, I didn't actually make mine, it belonged to my great grandmother. I just cleaned it up and "stuffed" it. It is a wooden box that was lined with paper and then the top was covered with old quilt scraps for insulation. then the whole box was covered with a pretty floral fabric. It has castors (wheels). I used packing peanuts for insulation and covered them with towels. For covering, I stuffed a pillow case with wool. I use my cast iron Dutch oven in it. Mostly I cook beans in it, but I have just started using it. I think it would probably work well for yogurt, too. Anything that you make in a crock pot would adapt to the haybox. Put oatmeal in at bedtime and wake up to a hot breakfast. Stewed dried apples or other fruit, too. Oh, I have raised bread dough in it when my house was cold. I mixed the dough in a dough pail, removed the mixing hook, and put the covered pail in the haybox. Worked perfectly!

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Michigan Majik

FreeSpirit, with attitude
I have a grate, on legs, that I cook on, over a campfire.
I let the fire burn down, so the coals are glowing.
I wrap vegtables, like potatoes/onions, zuchinni, mushrooms etc,
in foil, and cook them about 15 minutes on both sides. yum
Meat is easy to cook over the coals.
I'm interested to get some new ideas before i go camping next week.
 

Splicer205

Deceased
You're the one who had the haybox post spinner. I thought it was you and hoped you'd post it again. You're such a wealth of wisdom. I found it fascinating the first time, and still do.

But, wow, LilRose......style? As in, I climb out of the tent, my eyes spinning wildly in my head, searching for the water that will fill my veins with the wondrous caffeine. Picking picks off my leg as I wait for my eyes to focus, I notice I've slept with twigs in my hair, and being a proper cook, I immediately begin plucking them out. It is then, that I notice the water, frozen in a jug instead of already heating in the pot left by the banked fire. Forgetting being proper, I scream, "Who used the friggin' hot water?"

Is that what you mean by style? I dont' have much to offer on style, and it's a hard thing to answer except to say, the method you use, depends on what you have to cook, what you have to cook it with, and when you plan on eating.

If you have nothing but a potato and a chunk of chicken in your hand, and nothing to cook it in, you could dig a hole, build a fire in the hole, and let it burn for a while.
Hopefully, you've planned well and have camped by some water. You mix the water with dirt, or get some mud from wherever you can, and pack your potato and chicken in it. By now, you will probably have your fire ready to put dirt on it. How much depends on how many coals you think you'll have, how long you want to cook it, etc. But, after you add, say, a couple inches of dirt on top of the fire, you put your mud wrapped potato and chunk of chicken on top of the dirt. Since once again you've planned so well, you have some remaining dirt from the hole. You cover the mud wrapped food with that dirt. Then you trot off to get yourself some berries, and by the time you have your fill, say, about the time the sun goes down, you return to your food. Carefully removing your dirt, you finally come across your mud wrapped food, and though your stomach flops in revolt, by the time you peel the hardened mud from the food, you'll find a steaming treat. And you'll never look at a pot or pan in the same light again. They become, well, gee, sacred. :lol: As will aluminum foil. Much nicer to eat from foil, than mud.

If you put some wet weeds over the hot coals, you can have steam for your short term veggie cooking. Hopefully the weeds you choose won't be poison ivy, sumac, oak, jimsonweed, or death cannas.

So after you've tried that, dutch ovens are a breeze. Depending again, on what you're cooking and when you want it done, you put some coals under the pan, and some on the top of the lid, that you've carefully placed so that you can remove it without having the same amount of ash and dirt as the mud baked food.

Dutch ovens have a down side. When TSHTF, that will probably be the cause of death of the majority of females. Someone will shoot them because the woman won't be quick enough to get away, while lugging her treasured dutch ovens. And a woman would no more think of leaving her dutch oven than a baby. ;)

If you're lucky enough to have aluminum foil, you can put most of your ingredients in a packet of foil, slide a stick through it, and hold it over the fire. If you're lucky you have a tripod for things that take longer to cook. If you're not so fortunate, you find 2 sticks that have a V at the top, and a long stick to cross over the V. making your own tripod, making sure your sticks are sturdy enough to hold the weight of what you plan to hang from it.

Well, I've rambled long enough and will let my more creative sisters share their ideas. I'm particularly interested in their "style." :lol:
 

Mark D

Now running for Emperor.
Somebody remind me come Monday...

IIRC, I have a really good selection, of well written, experienced, camp-fire cooking tips on my work PC.
 

Splicer205

Deceased
Mark D. Reminder. Come Monday, make sure and post your good selection of well written, experienced, campfire cooking tips. :lkick:
 

Dinghy

Veteran Member
Mark, don't forget to post Monday!!! Hee, Hee!!! I usually cook on a grate over the fire using foil or a pan. I have a big dutch oven, but I've only used it a couple times. It's too big unless I'm cooking for a crowd, which I haven't had to do for awhile.
 

Double_A

TB Fanatic
Save your big tin cans. Cleaned out & fill with water place in fire to boil toss in a couple of cut up chicken pieces, then after that starts to cook add a cut up carrot, then a cut up potato and maybe a few peas or a slice of onion. Keep on adding water as you go.

You need a long handled ladle, and some tongs
 

LilRose8

Veteran Member
Well, as usual, Splicerswife has come up with a delightful tale of the joys and perils of prepping life. Can I hear a big HOOOYAH! :p

Mark, I am looking forward to your additions on Monday.

And all you newbies, please add your comments, ideas and thoughts. This is a member supported, joint commision, add as you go project and we like fresh thoughts from everyone......ok maybe not FRESH thoughts......let's stick with creative thoughts! :lol:
 

MaxTheKnife

Membership Revoked
You first need to burn the big tin (#10) can in the campfire to remove the enamel/plastic lining from the inside of the can. Then scrub it out real good with sand and water or a scrubby pad. You don't want to cook that enamel/plastic stuff into your food. That would be bad. And if you have one of those funky can openers that cut the outside rim of the top instead of the kind that cuts the lid out inside the rim, you'll be able to make a top for the can by poking a few holes in the center and making a wire handle for it.

My favorite way to cook over a campfire is with one of those single pole adjustable shelf outfits. It's heavy iron and easy to use. You just drive the iron stake in the ground close to the firepit and then lower the shelves/grills down onto the stake at whatever height you need. When you're done cooking and want to keep the food hot you just swing the grill away from the center of the fire.

Of course, I'm a big fan of dutch ovens too. I bought a real big one (cast iron) a few years ago that will get a lot of use once TSHTF. Most of our cookig will be done outside during the warmer summer months. I have plans to build an adobe type outside grill/oven one of these days. Best laid plans and all that. Anyway, that big dutch oven is ideal for campfire cooking because it has legs that keep it up off of the coals and the lid is designed to put hot coals in. That's ideal for cooking biscuits and bread. Or most anything else you'd want to cook.

And don't forget those big long handled camp cooking pans. They're made from thin steel so the cook fast and are ideal for frying bacon and eggs or meat of any kind. Sometimes, simple is best and easiest to maintain.
 

Melodi

Disaster Cat
Buy or build a tripod with chains now. Many re-enactor sites sell them ready made, my husband and his best friend, made ours.

Then, practice by having family bar-ba-que nights, only cook at least one dish on a hanging pot or griddle. Bread dough makes fantastic griddle cakes, and you could use the dough in a pinch without waiting for it to rise or even without levaning. Learning just how far above the coals or fire to place the griddle pan is a matter of experimentation. Each time it will be a bit different, but remember, cast iron can get red hot and break. So keep it at least three or four inches from any direct flames.

To cook bread in the Dutch oven, you can use the Irish method of turf/coals on the sides of the pot with a few extra added on top. This is done directly on the ground or a base of flat stones. Replace coals once in a while and if you are using hot coals, be sure to place dutch oven up on a trivet or even stones, to get it away from the direct heat. Irish turf burns cooler, so you can get it closer to the pans. Anyway, cook for at least 1 hour, probably more like two. Result will be a huge loaf of pan sized bread (you can put as much as six pounds of dough). Don't worry if its terribly burned on the outside, cut off and give to farm animals (or use as a plate like they did in the Middle Ages). Inside should be perfect. If its a bit under done, eat the done stuff and toast the rest on the griddle. Biggest mistake beginners make is cooking to short a time because they are worried about the outside burning.

In a crises, you could add all sort of bits to the bread dough, like meat bits, berries, onions, veggies etc. You can use any left over dough to wrap meat joints for cooking in a pot over the fire too. They used to do this in Ireland when pot cooking rabbits, hams and geese. Any large item that might burn on top or dry out. After cooking, discard burned crust and eat the meat inside. Works like mud but is less messy *smile*

That's a quicky, I've got to go see to my own bread rolls. Great thread,
Melodi/Disaster Cat
 

LilRose8

Veteran Member
I do like using a grate over a low fire or coals...it is easy to put a pot on or foil warpped items.
In my opinion, there is nothing better on Earth that bacon and eggs cooked on an open fire.
BUT, if we were bugging out, the likely-hood of having either are rather dim.

I suppose if you had a large group of folks and a large game animal, you could cook it luau style but that requires a HUGE amount of work.

Is there any way to build a haybox that you could add hot rocks to, to speed up cooking time without burning the haybox? Just thinking out loud here.

How about favorite foods to cook over a fire? Anyone have some recipes or techniques to share?
I know dutch oven cooking is an art. Could some of you share your knowledge please?
 

Vere My Sone

Inactive
For those with satalite TV, I don't know about cable
RFDTV channel
there is a Campfire Cafe program from Alabama
amazing some of the things he cooks
 

LeafyForest

Veteran Member
OK - MARK - just a reminder that tomorrow is Monday. We are all anxiously waiting for your campfire-cooking tips!!! And, thanks in advance.
 

Scrapman

Veteran Member
Cookin after TSHTF

Owning a scrapyard has got to be the best way of acumulating old fashion kitchen technolegy, Older people die and there kids throw it into the scrapmetal piles. I snap up everything that I can reconize . I have a extensive
colection of cast iron cook ware ,The good stuff from Griswald and Wagner
I have a Stainless grate with legs , and a Iron bar hanger set up ,I have a duel fuel coleman and about 15 gallons of fuel , I have seen the hot box oven setups in the scrap pile but didn't know what it was until now ..I will save the next one
I have three very good wood stoves stashed in my warehouse at work for future use ,cost ,Free or the cost of scrap cast iron .03 a pound .
Two large firetop perculators and a coleman over fire drip coffee maker
Cabbage cutters ,copper cookers Includeing a still .Stainless cookers and pans of all shapes and sizes.Stainless tables to work outside ,Just resontly I scored a 15.5 QT american pressure canner ,
Coffee bean grinders ,A grainmill , Knives and butchering tools of every size
I also made a grill from a 150 gallon stainless tank ,I can barbeque 40 chicken quarters at once..
Me and My family go to allegheny state park on memorial day weekend and do a dry run for if we need to survive the old fashioned way ...
My Kitchen preps are pretty good but i'm always lookin for more thing out of the scrappile,
Now if you want to talk about old fashion hand tools my list is twice as long .
another thread perhaps
:dstrs: ..................Scrapman
 

Splicer205

Deceased
Thought it would be easier to list some resources than grope around confusing people. The first is Ol' Buffalo's site and if you want to know anything outdoor, cooking, camping, he's THE man. He probably forgot more than any of us will ever know.

Though this link is an acrobat file, (which I hate) it's worth bothering with. He tells you how to care for your oven, how to build the fire, temperature, etc. Tells you about the wood to use and even how to make your own charcoal. Check this one out. You won't be disappointed.
http://www.three-peaks.net/dutch_o.pdf

Then, if that's not enough, he offers a complete collection of wonderful recipes geared for outdoors, including dutch oven recipes. Awesome collection in one place. http://www.three-peaks.net/cooking.htm

But, if you prefer browsing link by link, these have some good stuff too.
http://www.camprecipes.com/index.php?comm=2
Good recipes. Section with dutch oven recipes. Many rated. Emergency Survival Food gross. I hope it never comes to this. Ugh!

http://www.scoutorama.com/recipe/index.cfm
Simple recipes. Many dutch oven.

http://www.chuckwagondiner.com/categories.php?id=9
dutch oven recipes. Pie iron recipes.

http://www.netwoods.com/d-cooking.html
Many recipes. Dutch oven message board. Favorite collection. Menu suggestions.

Have more, but better wait for Mark D. Reminder Mark D. It's almost Monday.
 

LilRose8

Veteran Member
I found this on one of the sites you sent, Spilcerswife. :lol: :lol:

Elephant Stew

Categories: Supper
Servings: 3800

1 Elephant, medium size
Salt
Pepper
2 Rabbits, optional

1. Cut the elephant into small bite-size pieces. This should take about two months.
2. Add enough brown gravy to cover. Cook over kerosene fire for about four weeks at 465 degrees.
3. This will serve thirty-eight hundred people. If more are expected, two rabbits may be added, but do this only if necessary as some people do not like to find hare in their stew.
 

Troke

Deceased
"...You mix the water with dirt, or get some mud from wherever you can, and pack your potato and chicken in it. ..."

The closer the soil is to pure clay, the better this works. The further away..... until it won't work at all.
 

Scrapman

Veteran Member
catch a carp nail it to a piece of wood cook it over a campfire , Then eat the wood :kk2: . Acually you can skip the mud on the poetatoe and bury it in hot coals , After twenty minutes pull it out scrape off the black and eat up ,you don,t really lose that much poetatoe eather. Ive been stuck in the woods for a couple day with onl;y a can of baked beans and some bread , cold bean sandwich's are damn good after two day's of not eatin.

:dstrs: .......scrapman
 

Splicer205

Deceased
LilRose said:
I found this on one of the sites you sent, Spilcerswife. :lol: :lol:

Elephant Stew

Categories: Supper
Servings: 3800

1 Elephant, medium size
Salt
Pepper
2 Rabbits, optional

1. Cut the elephant into small bite-size pieces. This should take about two months.
2. Add enough brown gravy to cover. Cook over kerosene fire for about four weeks at 465 degrees.
3. This will serve thirty-eight hundred people. If more are expected, two rabbits may be added, but do this only if necessary as some people do not like to find hare in their stew.


Did it mention how much rice you should add to make it stretch a little farther? :lol:
 

vlad

Inactive
if you don't have pots and pans.....

dig narrow trench. build fire in trench. let fire die down to coals. cover coals wtih 5 inches dirt. cover dirt with thick layer grass. lay fish, rabbit, snake etc on grass.cover the fish etc with layer of grass. cover narrow trench with log. food cooks while you forage.

if you have a pot or dutch oven. as above except put food in dutch oven. set dutch oven on the 5 inch layer of dirt.

no danger of fire getting out of trench. when you break camp fill in the trench.
 

Splicer205

Deceased
Mark D. Reminder. It's Monday. We're waiting for your really good selection, of well written, experienced, camp-fire cooking tips. :lol:
 

Mark D

Now running for Emperor.
Gleaned from someplace I can't remember...

Cooking Over an Open Fire

When you are cooking over a fire, there are a few things to remember. When you are able to think about these things as a system for cooking, you will automatically know what sort of pans and equipment will work on the fire. If you sit a pan directly on the hot coals, your food will likely burn. If you hang your pan too far above the coals, it will not cook.
If you try to cook over a fire instead of a bed of coals, you will be frustrated. So what you need to work toward is a bed of hot coals, and a pan that is not too close nor too far away from the coals.

HOW close? Well, that depends on what you are cooking, and most of that knowledge will come with experience, however you can logically expect the coals to be hotter when you are closer to them!
Obviously you will have to replenish your hot coals from time to time as you are cooking. So in your fireplace, choose a spot that is comfortable for you to reach to cook in, and another place to the side or rear of the fireplace to keep a fire going. I cook all along the front and one side of a fireplace, and allow the fire to burn in the left rear portion of the box. Whenever the coals burn out or loose some of their heat, scoop hot coals from the fire area to the cooking area. Some of the spent coals can be removed during cooking, but I usually wait til the cooking is over to do that. There are many, many items that you could purchase to use for cooking in your fireplace, but here are my favorites:

Spyders –
These are three or four legged trivet-like things that hold your pans above the coals. They have a ring for the pan to sit in and an open bottom. They can be purchased in varying heights so that you can cook close to the coals or several inches away from them. Three different heights would be ideal, but two would do. The really tall ones are great for keeping food warm. If you equip your fireplace with a trammel or hanging arm, you can buy all kinds of doo-dads to hang on it and hang your pots from. I like the one that adjusts from short to long so you can adjust how quickly your food is cooking without moving the pot off the fire. This is especially handy if your fireplace is small and you are cramped for room in there.

Utensils –
Well, obviously you want long ones....but don't get them any longer than what is comfortable for you to manage. My very longest ones are 18". Also consider getting cast iron utensils instead of stainless or wooden ones. T They just last longer. You need a spoon, a slotted spoon, a fork or three of various sizes, two spatulas, one short and one long, and thats all that is really essential. As you cook more and more you will find that there are other utensils that you would like to have. Choose very sturdy ones, for you will find that you use them for lifting Dutch Oven lids, pots and pans and other heavy items out of the fire. I finally got a utensil that is nothing more than a big hook to do just that!
You might want a spit to roast meat on, but I bind the meat up with cotton thread, season it and hang over slow coals for about 6-8 hours to roast. Works well, if you can stand the aroma for that long! Another good way to roast meat like venison steaks is to skewer the meat onto a large fork and prop the fork up in front of the fire, turning frequently until the meat is done.

There are reflector ovens made for the fireplace and they are really great.....once you learn how to use them properly, and that takes practice. They can be used to cook meats, breads, cakes, cookies, or casseroles. They are relatively slow cooking, but they do the job very well, as soon as you learn how to keep the coals at an even temperature and how to pull the oven back from the fire when it becomes too hot.

There are also Dutch Ovens. I recommend one with a lid that has a lip on it so that you can put hot coals on top of it without them sliding off. Putting coals on the top of the lid helps the food to cook from both the top and bottom of the pan, much the way a conventional oven does. This is the best way to bake in the fireplace, besides the reflector oven.

You want Dutch Ovens that have LEGS. You will need at a minimum of three Dutch Ovens to cook a large meal. They can be used to cook cakes, cornbreads, puddings, soups, stews, roasts, on and on.....The trick is to keep the pan moving every ____ minutes. You will fill in the blank as you are more experienced, but I find that I like to move my Dutch Oven around and reposition it with new coals every 5-15 minutes. It's very easy to burn a cake in a Dutch Oven...How do I know? Oh....never mind.

Other Pots and Pans –
Well, just get cast iron and make sure that they all have LEGS on them! You want the coals to be able to get up under the pans to cook the food, this way you don't have to sit the pan ON the coals and risk burning. Make sure they have handles, too.

You will need a safe place to sit hot pans coming off the fire, lots of dish towels and all of the usual fireplace acoutrements like a shovel, ash bucket, bucket of water for emergencies, poker. You will also need a large pan or tray to place your utensils on while you are using them.

One last thing I have learned about cooking over a fire. When I am pushed for time and I have hungry people to cook for I have to use higher heat and therefore more grease in my cooking. However, if you are not pressed for time and you can relax a bit, you can cook with lower temperature coals and use less grease. This may not seem important now, but as you cook on the fire more and more you will catch yourself adding more grease to whatever you are cooking because the temperature is too high. You are going to have to grease the pans a lot more than you are probably used to doing anyway with conventional cooking, especially considering our low fat ways these days. But as you become more experienced, you can cut back on the grease considerably. Oh, and most importantly, take your time when you can, don't stress out when you're over the fire, and don't cook with little ones all around you.
 

Mark D

Now running for Emperor.
Also gleaned from somewhere I can't remember...

COOKING WITH A DUTCH OVEN

INTRODUCTION:
The reason for this book is to provide reference material for an individual who is planning or cooking a meal for six to ten people. For larger groups, most of the recipes can be easily doubled or tripled and two or more Dutch Ovens may be needed. Most of the information has been targeted toward the first time Dutch Oven user, although, the more experienced cook may find a tidbit or two here and there.


WHAT YOUR DUTCH OVEN CAN DO:
Cooking techniques such as roasting, baking simmering, stewing, frying, boiling, steaming, and many others are easily done on the campfire with only a single utensil, the Dutch Oven. Think of the possibilities, delicious fresh baked bread that will rise up and lift the lid, cobblers made from berries picked fresh at the campsite, incredible deep-dish pizzas, stews, quiches that melt in your mouth, Cornish Game Hens roasted to perfection, and imagine a chocolate cake a foot in diameter. These and many, many more are very possible and sometimes easier than they are at home. With very few exceptions, I have been able to duplicate my home recipes on the campfire using the Dutch Oven.

All recipes use one of two Dutch Oven techniques, cooking with your Dutch Oven or cooking in it. The first is when the food is placed directly in the bottom of the Dutch Oven. In the second method, food is placed in a second dish and this dish is then placed onto a trivet in the bottom of the Dutch Oven. The reason for the trivet is to elevate the dish above the bottom of the oven to prevent burning.


A LITTLE ABOUT THE DUTCH OVEN:
Before we get started, we should review some of the things you will need to know before purchasing your first Dutch Oven. There are literally hundreds of option and size combinations available, so it would be impractical for me to tell you which oven is the one for you. Because each type of oven is designed for a different type of cooking situation. I will go over the various options and you will have to decide which ones you will look for.

In shopping for an oven, you should look for one that is obviously well made. Look at the bail handle, it should be of heavy gauge wire and securely attached to molded tangs on the side of the oven. Ovens that have riveted tabs should be avoided. Most oven handles will lie down against the side of the oven in both directions, but if you look hard enough, you will find some that allow the handle to stand up at a 45 degree angle on one side. This allows you easier access to it when positioning or removing the oven from the fire.


Another area that bears close examination is the handle on the lid. It should be a loop attached to the lid on both ends and hollow in the center allowing it to be easily hooked. Stay away from the ones that have a molded solid tab on the lid for a handle. These are very difficult to grasp and manage with a load of coals. The loop style offers much better control.

While examining the lid, check that it has a lip or ridge around the outer edge. The lip keeps the coals from sliding off of the lid. Don't get me wrong, the ridge-less ones can be used but it is difficult to keep coals on the lid and if you are not meticulous in cleaning the ash from the lid each and every time you open the oven, you will end up with ash and/or sand in your food. The lip virtually eliminates the problem and the lid can be lifted even fully loaded with ash and coals with little difficulty.

Another feature to look at is the legs. The most common variety is one with three legs, although flat-bottomed ones and four legged ones can also be had. For outdoor cooking, legs are a necessity; they maintain the height of the oven above ground allowing air for the coals underneath. The flat bottomed ones can be set up on rocks (which are scarce as hen's teeth here in Florida) or up on steel tent pegs. If you figure in Murphy's Law here, the flat bottom ovens are best left in the store or on the kitchen stove where they were intended. I highly recommend three legs over four simply for the stability factor. It is much more stable with three legs sitting on rough ground than with four.


The last option to look at is a second handle attached to the lid or upper rim on the oven base. Some ovens are offered with a skillet type handle attached to the lid. This, in theory, is a good idea, but in reality they seem to be more in the way than of assistance. The handle does assist in using the lid upside-down as a skillet or griddle but when using it as a lid, they get in the way of the bail handle and also misbalance the lid when lifting by the center hoop. They also tend to be in the way during storage and packing situations. Fixed handles on the oven base, with one exception, should be absolutely avoided. I believe the theory behind these handles was to make the oven easier to position in a deep fire pit. If you insist on considering the handle, take a couple of red bricks with you to the store and place them in the oven. Then give her a lift by the handle and you will see the uselessness in the handle. A loaded 12" oven can weigh 20 to 25 pounds, a real wrist breaker. The one exception is a small tab sometimes offered which is about 1 to 1-1/2" deep and 2-3" wide on the upper lip of the oven. This tab makes pouring liquids from the oven very easy and its small size has never caused storage or packing problems for me.


When someone mentions "Dutch Oven" most people immediately think "Cast Iron", but Dutch Ovens are supplied in aluminum also. An aluminum oven weighs only 6-1/2 to 7 pounds opposed to around 18 pounds for the cast iron oven. There are advantages and disadvantages to each.

The most obvious aluminum advantage is weight, 11 pounds lighter. Additionally, because aluminum doesn't rust, care is restricted to simple washing with soap and water. Aluminum tends to heat faster requiring less preheating time but they don't retain the heat very long after the coals are removed. Also because aluminum reflects more heat than cast iron, more coals will be required to reach and maintain a set temperature. Also on windy days, you will see a greater variation in temperature than one of cast iron. Where weight is very critical, most of the disadvantages can be overcome. For canoeing, backpacking or trips where weight is a problem, aluminum ovens are the answer.


When weight is not a problem, the cast iron oven has the upper hand. Cast iron reacts more slowly to temperature changes so don't burn food as easily if the fire flares up and they retain heat for quite a while after the coals have been removed, keeping food warmer longer. Also, because they retain heat well, they fair better on windy days with smaller variations in temperature. Cast iron absorbs a great deal of heat, consequently, they require fewer coals to reach and maintain a set temperature. Weight is its obvious disadvantage, but there are others. Clean up is not as simple, but done regularly and correctly, it is not much of a chore. Rust is the other, bare cast iron will literally rust overnight if not protected. This protection naturally must be done each time it is used but is part of the cleanup procedure and fairly simple. After all, I've got Tenderfoot Scouts that are 11 years old that do it like clockwork.


The last thing you must consider is the size of the oven. They range from the tiny 4" to the giant 24" monsters. Personally, I have ovens ranging in size from 6" to 18". For small group or patrol situations, 10"-12" will serve rather adequately for almost all circumstances.

As a review, you should look for a 10"-12" oven that is obviously well made and of good design. It should have three legs, loop type handle and a lip on the lid and a strong bail type handle for the bottom. You can choose other options but those are personal preferences and totally up the user. Whether to choose cast iron or aluminum should be based on the service conditions the oven is going to be MOST used in.

Now that you have decided the type, style and options, where do you find one? Check your Boy Scout Troop Equipment Catalog or your local Boy Scout Equipment Center. Many good sporting goods or camping supply stores also will carry them. Also, restaurant supply houses may stock them or will have a catalog they can order them from. From my experiences, the restaurant houses typically cost a bit more but the ovens are commercial quality and they usually have a better selection to choose from. Another option is mail order. Companies such as REI, Campmor, etc may carry them but look out for the shipping charges on the cast iron ones. In your shopping around by mail, it is best to request their shipping charges and add that in when comparing to local prices.


If you go into the store armed with information, you should have little problem in selecting an oven for your needs and it will be the start of some long lived happy memories. One word of fair warning, SHOP ARROUND! I have seen the same 10" oven by the same manufacturer range in price from $25 up to their mighty proud $60, so be careful. Demand quality, a poorly made oven with lots of options is not worth the time to carry it to the car.


OTHER THINGS YOU WILL NEED:
A good pair of leather gloves can save time and prove invaluable around a hot fire. A pair of Work Style gloves will do, but I recommend you look at a Fire and Safety Supply house or a store that supplies fireplace accessories and locate a pair of fire handling gloves. Although these typically cost more, they offer thicker leather and an inner insulating lining. They allow you to literally place your hand into hot coals, though I don't recommend doing so. Because of my experience on the Fire Department, the extra protection and quality far outweigh the few extra dollars they cost. You will have to weigh the quality against the higher price for yourself.

Something else you will need is a shovel. The standard garden type will be sufficient. It will be used for stirring the coals and lifting them out of the fire pit to the oven. The style and length of the handle is up to you, the user. The longer ones are great but not practical on hikes and canoe trips. While the short "ARMY" folders are great for hiking and canoes, they suffer from short handles, getting you and your hands closer to the fire.

Another item which will prove to be worth their weight in gold is a pair of hot pot pliers. The pair listed in the Boy Scout Troop/Patrol Equipment catalog are probably the best designed for the job. They are inexpensive, well built, and light weight. The pliers have a specially designed jaw that grips the oven lid very securely. The handle has a hook that is used to grab the bail handle when it is too hot to hold by hand or when it is hanging down in the coals.


PREPAIRATION OF YOUR OVEN:
For aluminum, your pretreatment is simply washing well with soap and water. Some aluminum ovens are shipped with a protective coating and a simple washing will remove it. Since aluminum doesn't rust, no further protection is required; however, I have found that if you treat the aluminum like the cast iron oven, food will not stick near as often as the untreated oven. This pretreatment is at the user's option, so if you just want to wash it and be done with it, you can.

Cast iron ovens, if properly cared for, will last many a generation. I know several individuals that have Dutch Ovens belonging to great-great-grandmothers, dating back well into the 1800s. Personally, I have an oven that belonged to my grandmother and dates back before the turn of the century.

Although this book is oriented toward Dutch Ovens, the treatment and care instructions are applicable to any cast iron skillet, griddle etc... The secret of cast iron's long life is really no secret at all. Constant and proper care beginning with the day it is purchased will keep the oven in service for many years. All quality ovens are shipped with a protective coating that must be removed. This will require a good scrubbing with steel wool and some elbow grease. Once removed, the oven needs to be rinsed well; towel dried and let air dry. While it is drying, this would be a good time to pre-heat your kitchen oven to 350. After it appears dry, place the Dutch Oven on the center rack with its lid ajar. Allow the Dutch Oven to warm slowly so it is just barely too hot to handle with bare hands. This pre-heating does two things; it drives any remaining moisture out of the metal and opens the pores of the metal.


Now, using a clean rag or preferably a paper towel, apply a thin layer of salt free cooking oil. Oils such as peanut, olive or plain vegetable oil will be fine. Tallow or lard will do also but these animal fats tend to break down during the storage periods that typical Boy Scout Dutch Ovens experience between campouts and are not recommended. Make sure the oil covers every inch of the oven, inside and out and replace the oven onto the center shelf, again with the lid ajar. Bake it for about an hour or so at 350. This baking hardens the oil into a protective coating over the metal

After baking, allow the oven to cool slowly. When it is cool enough to be handled, apply another thin coating of oil. Repeat the baking and cooling process. Again reapply a thin coating of oil when it can be handled again. Allow the oven to cool completely now. It should have three layers of oil, two baked on and one applied when it was warm. The oven is now ready to use or store.


This pre-treatment procedure only needs to be done once, unless rust forms or the coating is damaged in storage or use. This baked on coating will darken and eventually turn black with age. This darkening is a sign of a well kept oven and of its use. The pre-treatment coating's purpose is two fold, first and most important; it forms a barrier between moisture in the air and the surface of the metal. This effectively prevents the metal from rusting. The second purpose is to provide a non-stick coating on the inside of the oven. When properly maintained, this coating is as non-stick as most of the commercially applied coatings.


CLEANING YOUR OVEN:
For aluminum ovens, the cleaning is the same as for ordinary pots and pans. Use soap, water and scrub as usual for your other pans. More often than not, cleaning cast iron ovens is much easier than scrubbing pots and pans. For cast iron ovens, the clean process is in two steps. First, food is removed and second, maintenance of the coating. To remove stuck on food, place some warm clean water into the oven and heat until almost boiling. Using a plastic mesh scrubber or coarse sponge and NO SOAP, gently break loose the food and wipe away. After all traces have been removed, rinse with clean warm water. Soap is not recommended because its flavor will get into the pores of the metal and will taint the flavor of your next meal.

After cleaning and rinsing, allow it to air dry. Heat over the fire just until it is hot to the touch. Apply a thin coating of oil to the inside of the oven and the underside of the lid. Allow the oven to cool completely. The outside will need little attention other than a good wipe down unless you see signs of rust forming. As a suggestion, it is a good idea to keep a scrubber for cast iron and never use it with soap.


A FEW NO-NO’s:
Never, and I repeat, NEVER allow cast iron to sit in water or allow water to stand in or on it. It will rust despite a good coating.
Never use soap on cast iron. The soap will get into the pores of the metal and won't come out very easy, but will return to taint your next meal, though. If soap is used accidentally, the oven should be put through the pretreatment procedure, including removal of the present coating.
Do not place an empty cast iron pan or oven over a hot fire. Aluminum and many other metals can tolerate it better but cast iron will crack or warp, ruining it.
Do not get in a hurry to heat cast iron, you will end up with burnt food or a damaged oven or pan.
Never put cold liquid into a very hot cast iron pan or oven. They will crack on the spot!
 
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