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Warnings Grow Dire on Bird Flu Threat

U.S. Officials and Experts Complain of Catastrophic Danger

By Todd Zwillich
WebMD Medical News Reviewed By Michael Smith, MD
on Thursday, June 16, 2005
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Bird Flu May Be More Contagious Than Thought


June 16, 2005 -- U.S. health officials and infectious disease experts have been sounding the alarm for more than a year on the deadly potential of a widespread pandemic of the bird flu troubling Southeast Asia.

But their warnings have become unmistakably ominous as they struggle to convince the public and policy makers of the need to prepare for the mass casualties, chaos, and devastation that will likely result if the disease spreads across the world.

As of June 14, 103 people have been infected with bird flu in Vietnam, Thailand, and Cambodia, according to the World Health Organization. Officials yesterday also disclosed the first reported case in Indonesia.

Normally, 104 cases of any disease would hardly grab the attention of public health experts. But bird flu is different. More than half of the cases have been fatal, suggesting an unprecedented level of harm for a modern flu. Humans have no natural immunity to the virus causing the disease, known as H5N1, and no vaccine is available.

In congressional hearings and on television, officials have repeatedly advised the public of the potential for millions of casualties if bird flu gains the ability to easily spread from birds to people or between humans themselves.

Bird Flu Warnings Get Stronger

But the warnings have now become decidedly darker as officials warn of a catastrophic economic shutdown and a global political crisis if bird flu strikes an unprepared world.

"This is much larger than a public health threat. The vast majority of the world just doesn't get how vulnerable we are," says Michael Osterholm, MD, associate director of the National Center for Food Protection and Defense in the Department of Homeland Security and a former bioterrorism advisor to the Bush administration.

Federally run tests of an experimental bird flu vaccine are under way and due to yield preliminary results later this summer. Even if it's effective, no one expects manufacturers to be able to quickly make enough to protect the U.S. population.

Osterholm complains that U.S. officials and companies have not planned for the widespread logistical disruptions that would result if bird flu were to spread within the next couple of years. His warnings range from inadequate planning for hospital overcrowding to the fact that the U.S. market has only 2.5-week supply of caskets.

Local and federal agencies have not planned for widespread disruptions to schools and workplaces as the public is told to stay home and gymnasiums are converted to emergency medical facilities, he says. Travel restrictions and a run on vital supplies, such as masks able to filter flu viruses, would "no doubt" lead to an economic shutdown, he adds.

What to Do?

Asked at a Thursday forum hosted by the Council of Foreign Relations what can be done to immediately prepare for a bird flu outbreak, Osterholm says there's probably little we can do at this point.

What can the U.S. do to prevent the continued spread of flu from billions of Asian chickens and ducks? "The bottom line message is: almost nothing," says Osterholm, who is also a professor at the University of Minnesota.

World Community Unprepared

Others offer equally stark warnings that the U.S. has not engaged foreign governments over how nations will react in the event of a global pandemic and economic standstill. Poor and middle-income governments have already begun to complain that they are being left out as industrialized countries make deals to buy stockpiles of antiflu medications, says Laurie Garrett, the council's senior fellow for global health and a former journalist.

"We have no agreed-upon mechanisms of any kind," Garrett says. "This could turn into a big, bloody mess."

Bush administration officials told lawmakers two weeks ago that they are hard at work completing a national flu response plan governing issues such as quarantines, hospital capacity, and distribution of emergency pharmaceuticals.

Anthony Fauci, MD, director of the National Institute for Allergy and Infectious Diseases, acknowledged in an interview that officials' public statements about bird flu have become unusually stark. He attributes the warnings to concerns over bird flu's apparent harm and to the lack of human immunity.

Officials are also trying to galvanize support for new laws that would give pharmaceutical companies incentive to produce large amounts of vaccine against bird flu and other more common types of flu. "That's the thing that we keep trying to drill at," he says.

Fauci says that "the administration is very much up there" in its level of activity in flu planning.

Meanwhile, other experts remain largely unconvinced.

Steven Hoffman, an audience member at the Council forum, rose to say that the experts' stark warnings had convinced him "to get in my car and move to Montana or something."

"It won't help," Garrett told him

http://my.webmd.com/content/Article/107/108562.htm

Pandemic could cause food shortages, expert warns
Canadian Press

An influenza pandemic would dramatically disrupt the processing and distribution of food supplies across the world, emptying grocery store shelves and creating crippling shortages for months, an expert warned Thursday.

Dr. Michael Osterholm suggested policy makers must start intensive planning to figure out how to ensure food supplies for their populations during a time when international travel may be grounded or severely cut back, when workers are too sick to process or deliver food and when people will be too fearful of disease to gather in restaurants.

Food and other essential goods like drugs and surgical masks will be available at best in limited supplies, Osterholm cautioned in the July/August issue of Foreign Affairs, which devoted a number of articles to the threat of pandemic influenza.

He saved his most flatly worded warning, however, for a news conference organized by the Council on Foreign Relations, which publishes the respected journal. In an interview from Washington following the briefing, he repeated his blunt message of how dire things would be if a pandemic starts in the short term.

"We're pretty much screwed right now if it happens tonight," said Osterholm, director of the Center for Infectious Disease Research and Policy at the University of Minnesota.

Osterholm said the "just-in-time" delivery model by which modern corporations operate means food distribution networks don't have warehouses brimming with months worth of inventory.

Most grocery store chains have only several days worth of their most popular commodities in warehouses, he explained, with perhaps 30 days worth of stock for less popular items.

He pointed to the short-term shortages that occur when winter storms threaten communities, then suggested people envisage the possibility of those shortages dragging on for somewhere between 18 months and three years as the expected successive waves of pandemic flu buffet the world.

"I think we'll have a very limited food supply," he said in the interview.

"As soon as you shut down both the global travel and trade . . . and (add to it) the very real potential to shut down over-land travel within a country, there are very few areas that will be hit as quickly as will be food, given the perishable nature of it."

Osterholm has been one of the most vocal proponents of the urgent need to prepare for a flu pandemic that could sicken at least a third of the world's population and kill many millions. However, he is not alone in fearing the world may be facing a pandemic, widely viewed as the single most disruptive and deadly infectious disease event known to humankind.

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Laurie Garrett, a fellow at the council, noted the unprecedented potential of a pandemic to wreak economic and political havoc.

"Frankly no models of social response to such a pandemic have managed to factor in fully the potential effect on human productivity," Garrett, a Pulitzer-prize winning former journalist and author of The Coming Plague, said in an article in the journal.

"It is therefore impossible to reckon accurately the potential global economic impact."

Osterholm said it is incumbent on governments to start identifying essential basic commodities and figuring out supply and delivery for a time when long-distance truckers may balk at travelling to affected communities and armed forces personnel may be too sick to fill in the gaps.



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Friday, June 17, 2005
The sound of shit hitting the fan?

Xinhua news is reporting that the doctor suspected of having contracted bird flu from handling specimens has been confirmed to have been infected with H5N1. He is reported to be in normal health, although earlier he was said to have had a fever.

The Xinhuanet report goes on to say that the Institute of Tropical Diseases in Hanoi currently has in its care 23 local people with bird flu symptoms "of whom 11 have been confirmed to have contracted bird flu virus strain H5N1 by the hospital's official." It adds that since last week "six more have been found to have contracted the disease."

This is the first we have heard of the 23 symptomatic cases or the confirmation of the recent six cases. If these figures are accurate--and they do not count previously reported cases, which is not at all clear-- this is an unprecedented outbreak, and taken together with the doctor's case, signals human to human transmission is likely underway in eaernest.

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Tacheng Xinjiang Pneumonia Cluster Signals Phase 6 Pandemic?

Recombinomics Commentary
June 15, 2005

>> In yesterday's posting we erroneously identified the town where this
cluster of cases occurred as Tashan. It should have been Tacheng.
ProMED-mail regrets any confusion this may have caused. <<

The above correction by ProMed makes yesterday's announcement on the pneumonia ward in Tacheng Xinjiang more intriguing. The hospital is in Tacheng, the same site as the culling of domestic geese which were H5N1 positive. The farm also lies on the migration route of bar headed geese which were discovered throughout the month of May in and around Qinghai Lake Nature Reserve.

Both geese die-offs were unusual because H5N1 is usually not fatal to ducks or geese. The die-off in Qinghai was initially said to involve 180 bar headed geese. The numbers rose to 519, then over 1000, then over 8000. The report of over 8000 was made via Abundant News which also reported the deaths of 6 tourists and 121 residents of 18 communities.

The reports of human deaths and infections were denied, but were never specifically addressed. WHO has requested a site visit.

The latest reports indicate that a pneumonia clinic has been set up in Tacheng Hospital. Although it is said to be for bacterial pneumonia cases, it is unclear why such cases would require an isolation ward. Moroever, the ward is rumored to be housing patients and health care workers, suggesting efficient human-to-human transmission.

Thus, there are now two independent reports on isolation wards being set up near H5N1 bird flu deaths of migratory birds and domestic geese. These reports raise possibility that H5N1 is being efficiently transmitted human to human at two locations in western China, signaling the start of final phase 6 in the 2005 flu pandemic.
http://www.recombinomics.com/News/06160502/Pneumonia_Xinjiang_Phase_6.html

Mysterious Disease Kills 22 in Western Nepal

Recombinomics Commentary
June 16, 2005

>> At least 14 people died of diarrhea and eight others died of undiagnosed disease in two different districts of far-western Nepal, the Source reported Wednesday.

"More than 14 people died of diarrhoea in Toleni village of Doti district in the last three weeks," it quoted Hikmat Bahadur Bogati, an official at district health office as telling reporters.

About 80 people in the village are seriously ill and there is no medicine for them, he noted.

"A health worker team has already been dispatched to the epidemic affected area," he added. Xinhua also reported that eight civilians died from an undiagnosed disease in Bajura district in the past one week. <<

Mysterious fatal diseases in Nepal at this time are cause for concern. The H5N1 infected bar headed geese found dead in Qinghai Lake Nature Reserve in May winter on the northern plains of India. Thus, these birds would fly over Nepal when migrating from India to China.

In Vietnam, H5N1 bird flu infections can be found in asymptomatic ducks and geese. These birds excrete large amounts of stable H5N1, causing potential pollution problems. The H5N1 in fatal humans infections in Vietnam can produce these asymptomatic conditions in laboratory ducks.

Thus, it is possible that H5N1 infected geese from India could spread human disease linked to their migratory flight path. After H5N1 was discovered in patients with gastro-intestinal or neurological conditions, WHO had indicated that H5N1 testing of cluster of unexplained deaths would begin.

The 22 deaths described above would clearly meet that definition, but there are no hints of H5N1 testing of these cases or meningitis cases in northern India, which is very close to these two outbreaks in western Nepal.

Although WHO has expressed concerns about delayed reporting of H5N1 cases in Vietnam, surveillance of H5N1 outside of Vietnam also appears to be lacking. A much more aggressive surveillance program is required to understand exactly where H5N1 is and isn't in human and animal populations in Asia.
http://www.recombinomics.com/News/06160501/Mysterious_Nepal.html

This sounds pretty dire... certainly a larger threat than Saddam ever was

Hmm, wonder what a few hundred billion dollars could have done on this issue rather than being "invested" into Iraq?? Wonder if the Fed could print some more off in time.

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What is to be done

If an influenza pandemic is indeed on the way, there is much to be done and little time. And many potential problems need to be anticipated and some solutions devised and readied. This task has proven beyond our governments (federal, state and local) and there is no reason to believe they will suddenly acquire the ability to accomplish it in the midst of chaos. So we'll have to do it ourselves.

With luck from the techno gods, next week the Reveres will join The Next Hurrah's DemFromCT and Just a Bump in the Beltway's Melanie Mattson in a new effort, a collaborative resource on influenza. Henry Niman will join us, and so, we hope, will many of you. We have chosen the "Wiki" format because it is the one that can take advantage of the substantial amount of "raw brain power" and latent expertise in the vast blogosphere community. This means it will be a shared endeavor. You will be able to add to or edit existing entries or submit a new one. For the most part quality control will be of the "self-correcting" kind, i.e., those who see errors in entries will correct them. But some control will be exercised by us as we try to guide things along constructive and useful lines according to principles suitably adapted from the wikipedia.

This will not be a discussion board, news filter or soap box. We have our blogs for that and we hope the many and still growing number of existing bird flu sites will continue to function as they have. Our objective is to provide an accurate and responsible base of scientific information, collaboratively developed, about influenza and the means to prevent it, treat it and control it. The emphasis will be on community solutions to a community problem. If you choose to go off to a cabin in the woods, this will not be the place to explain how to build and supply it. While individual actions will not be avoided, our intention is to empower people in their local communities to initiate and encourage innovative, humane solutions to the problem of a serious epidemic disease in our midst. Thus it will be a place to suggest how your community hospital can better prepare, how your community leaders can think ahead to the inevitable problems that will appear, and where you can contribute your ideas and experience to make everyone's community better able to endure an onslaught from nature's bioterrorist.

This is an experiment borne of necessity, anxiety, and hope. Our three sites will post further information as we scramble to get this thing ready to go. At that point it will be up to all of us to make it useful and constructive.

posted by Revere

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Excellent articles, and blog. Thanks.

this threat hasnt garnered much attention here- which has surprised me- its the most likely near thing to result in TEOTWAWKI.

Lets keep it bumped up- the members need to know- I anticipate the media blitz will start soon, and we learned from SARS that once that happens, the essential supplies will be impossible to get.

No way to know if this will hit here in the next few weeks or months, or wait a year. But i can be pretty darn certain if you arent prepped before the sheeple wake up, you'll have trouble finding what you need at any price.

Please, please get ready; people!

Well I have

Colliodal Silver & maker
Olive Leaf Extract for prophilactic virus immune enhancement
Tons of VitC
Lysol concentrate/alcohol for indoor area disinfection
Kennel disinfectant for outdoors area disinfectant (Disintegrator)
Clorox handiwipes (Dollar General $1)
Masks/nose plugs

What else do I need? Heh..other than enough preps to avoid going to places with large crowds.

Thanks for a most excellent post.

To tell you the truth I almost didn't click on this because I figured it was generalized, and we are as prepped as we can financially afford to be, or I thought it might be another date set by some unknown alleged cyber prophet out there.

I'd like to print it out for everybody I know. But I won't......it won't do a bit of good, sigh.

By the way Lowes has packs of 20 N-95's for twenty bucks in the paint department.

Coincidence?
Fair Use applies.
from http://www.rense.com/general66/deadmicro.htm

Now 88 Dead Scientists
And Microbiologists
Compiled By Mark J. Harper
mjharper712@hotmail.com
Updated June 16, 2005
6-16-5

While some of these deaths may be purely coincidental and seem to pose no connection, many of these deaths are highly suspicious and appear not to be random acts of violence. Many are just plain murders.

If you see any incorrect dates or errors, please provide me with accurate information, Thank you!
Peace, Mark

Marconi Scientists Mystery

In the 1980,s over two dozen science graduates and experts working for Marconi or Plessey Defence Systems died in mysterious circumstances, most appearing to be 'suicides.' The MOD denied these scientists had been involved in classified Star Wars Projects and that the deaths were in any way connected.

Judge for yourself...

March 1982 - Professor Keith Bowden, 46

-- Expertise: Computer programmer and scientist at Essex University engaged in work for Marconi, who was hailed as an expert on super computers and computer-controlled aircraft.
-- Circumstance of Death: Fatal car crash when his vehicle went out of control across a dual carriageway and plunged onto a disused railway line. Police maintained he had been drinking but family and friends all denied the allegation.
-- Coroner's verdict: Accident.

April 1983 - Lt. Colonel Anthony Godley, 49

-- Expertise: Head of the Work Study Unit at the Royal College of Military Science.
-- Circumstance of Death: Disappeared mysteriously in April 1983 without explanation. Presumed dead.

March 1985 - Roger Hill, 49

-- Expertise: Radar designer and draughtsman with Marconi.
-- Circumstance of Death: Died by a shotgun blast at home.
-- Coroner's verdict: Suicide.

November 19, 1985 - Jonathan Wash, 29

-- Expertise: Digital communications expert who had worked at GEC and at British Telecom,s secret research centre at Martlesham Heath, Suffolk.
-- Circumstance of Death: Died as a result of falling from a hotel room in Abidjan, West Africa, while working for British Telecom. He had expressed fears that his life was in danger.
-- Coroner's verdict: Open.

August 4, 1986 - Vimal Dajibhai, 24

-- Expertise: Computer software engineer with Marconi, responsible for testing computer control systems of Tigerfish and Stingray torpedoes at Marconi Underwater Systems at Croxley Green, Hertfordshire.
-- Circumstance of Death: Death by 74m (240ft.) fall from Clifton Suspension Bridge, Bristol. Police report on the body mentioned a needle-sized puncture wound on the left buttock, but this was later dismissed as being a result of the fall. Dajibhai had been looking forward to starting a new job in the City of London and friends had confirmed that there was no reason for him to commit suicide. At the time of his death he was in the last week of his work with Marconi.
-- Coroner's verdict: Open.

October 1986 - Arshad Sharif, 26

-- Expertise: Reported to have been working on systems for the detection of submarines by satellite.
-- Circumstance of Death: Died as a result of placing a ligature around his neck, tying the other end to a tree and then driving off in his car with the accelerator pedal jammed down. His unusual death was complicated by several issues: Sharif lived near Vimal Dajibhai in Stanmore, Middlesex, he committed suicide in Bristol and, inexplicably, had spent the last night of his life in a rooming house. He had paid for his accommodation in cash and was seen to have a bundle of high-denomination banknotes in his possession. While the police were told of the banknotes, no mention was made of them at the inquest and they were never found. In addition, most of the other guests at the rooming house worked at British Aerospace prior to working for Marconi, Sharif had also worked at British Aerospace on guided weapons technology.
-- Coroner's verdict: Suicide.

January 1987 - Richard Pugh, 37

-- Expertise: MOD computer consultant and digital communications expert.
-- Circumstance of Death: Found dead in his flat in with his feet bound and a plastic bag over his head. Rope was tied around his body, coiling four times around his neck.
-- Coroner's verdict: Accident.

January 12, 1987: Dr. John Brittan, 52

-- Expertise: Scientist formerly engaged in top secret work at the Royal College of Military Science at Shrivenham, Oxfordshire, and later deployed in a research department at the MOD.
-- Circumstance of Death: Death by carbon monoxide poisoning in his own garage, shortly after returning from a trip to the US in connection with his work.
-- Coroner's verdict: Accident.

February 1987 - David Skeels, 43

--Expertise: Engineer with Marconi.
--Circumstance of Death: Found dead in his car with a hosepipe connected to the exhaust.
--Coroner's verdict: Open.

February 1987 - Victor Moore, 46

-- Expertise: Design Engineer with Marconi Space and Defence Systems.
-- Circumstance of Death: Died from an overdose.
-- Coroner's verdict: Suicide.

February 22, 1987 - Peter Peapell, 46

-- Expertise: Scientist at the Royal College of Military Science. He had been working on testing titanium for its resistance to explosives and the use of computer analysis of signals from metals.
-- Circumstance of Death: Found dead allegedly from carbon monoxide poisoning, in his Oxfordshire garage. The circumstances of his death raised some elements of doubt. His wife had found him on his back with his head parallel to the rear car bumper and his mouth in line with the exhaust pipe, with the car engine running. Police were apparently baffled as to how he could have manoeuvred into the position in which he was found.
-- Coroner's verdict: Open.

March 30, 1987 - David Sands, 37

--Expertise: Senior scientist working for Easams of Camberley, Surrey, a sister company to Marconi. Dr. John Brittan had also worked at Camberley.
--Circumstance of Death: Fatal car crash when he allegedly made a sudden U-turn on a dual carriageway while on his way to work, crashing at high speed into a disused cafeteria. He was found still wearing his seat belt and it was discovered that the car had been carrying additional petrol cans. None of the 'normal' reasons for a possible suicide could be found.
--Coroner's verdict: Open.

April 1987 - George Kountis (age unknown)

-- Expertise: Systems Analyst at Bristol Polytechnic.
-- Circumstance of Death: Drowned the same day as Shani Warren (see below) - as the result of a car accident, his upturned car being found in the River Mersey, Liverpool.
-- Coroner's verdict: Misadventure.
(Kountis, sister called for a fresh inquest as she thought 'things didn't add up.')

April 10, 1987 - Shani Warren, 26

-- Expertise: Personal assistant in a company called Micro Scope, which was taken over by GEC Marconi less than four weeks after her death.
-- Circumstance of Death: Found drowned in 45cm. (18in) of water, not far from the site of David Greenhalgh's death fall. Warren died exactly one week after the death of Stuart Gooding and serious injury to Greenhalgh. She was found gagged with a noose around her neck. Her feet were also bound and her hands tied behind her back.
-- Coroner's verdict: Open.
(It was said that Warren had gagged herself, tied her feet with rope, then tied her hands behind her back and hobbled to the lake on stiletto heels to drown herself.)

April 10, 1987 - Stuart Gooding, 23

-- Expertise: Postgraduate research student at the Royal College of Military Science.
-- Circumstance of Death: Fatal car crash while on holiday in Cyprus. The death occurred at the same time as college personnel were carrying out exercises on Cyprus.
-- Coroner's verdict: Accident.

April 24, 1987 - Mark Wisner, 24

-- Expertise: Software engineer at the MOD.
-- Circumstance of Death: Found dead on in a house shared with two colleagues. He was found with a plastic sack around his head and several feet of cling film around his face. The method of death was almost identical to that of Richard Pugh some three months earlier.
-- Coroner's verdict: Accident.

May 3, 1987 - Michael Baker, 22

-- Expertise: Digital communications expert working on a defence project at Plessey; part-time member of Signals Corps SAS.
-- Circumstance of Death: Fatal accident owhen his car crashed through a barrier near Poole in Dorset.
-- Coroner's verdict: Misadventure.

June 1987 - Frank Jennings, 60

-- Expertise: Electronic Weapons Engineer with Plessey.
-- Circumstance of Death: Found dead from a heart attack.
-- No inquest.

January 1988 - Russell Smith, 23

-- Expertise: Laboratory technician with the Atomic Energy Research Establishment at Harwell, Oxfordshire.
-- Circumstance of Death: Died as a result of a cliff fall at Boscastle in Cornwall.
-- Coroner's verdict: Suicide.

March 25, 1988 - Trevor Knight, 52

-- Expertise: Computer engineer with Marconi Space and Defence Systems in Stanmore, Middlesex.
-- Circumstance of Death: Found dead at his home in Harpenden, Hertfordshire at the wheel of his car with a hosepipe connected to the exhaust. A St.Alban,s coroner said that Knight,s woman friend, Miss Narmada Thanki (who also worked with him at Marconi) had found three suicide notes left by him which made clear his intentions. Miss Thanki had mentioned that Knight disliked his work but she did not detect any depression that would have driven him to suicide.
-- Coroner's verdict: Suicide.

August 1988 - Alistair Beckham, 50

-- Expertise: Software engineer with Plessey Defence Systems.
-- Circumstance of Death: Found dead after being electrocuted in his garden shed with wires connected to his body.
-- Coroner's verdict: Open.

August 22, 1988 - Peter Ferry, 60

-- Expertise: Retired Army Brigadier and an Assistant Marketing Director with Marconi.
-- Circumstance of Death: Found on 22nd or 23rd August 1988 electrocuted in his company with flat electrical leads in his mouth.
-- Coroner's verdict: Open

September 1988 - Andrew Hall, 33

-- Expertise: Engineering Manager with British Aerospace.
-- Circumstance of Death: Carbon monoxide poisoning in a car with a hosepipe connected to the exhaust.
-- Coroner's verdict: Suicide.

Above list compiled by Raymond A. Robinson in 'The Alien Intent'
(A Dire Warning)

http://www.geocities.com/orgonegal/marconi-scientists.html
(Note: link above is dead)
http://web.archive.org/web/20030208080844/http://www.geocities.com/orgonegal/marconi-scientists.html
(Thanks Joe C. for the web archive link.)

1988 - Stanley Irving Sigal, 35

-- Expertise: Top AIDS researcher at Merck.
-- Circumstance of Death: In seat number 13B on Pan American Flight that was shot down over Lockerbee Scotland.
http://web.syr.edu/~vpaf103/victims.htm

Date? - Dr. C. Bruton

-- Expertise: He had just produced a paper on a new strain of CJD. He was a CJD specialist who was killed before his work was announced to the public.
-- Circumstance of Death: died in a car crash.

1994/95? - Dr. Jawad Al Aubaidi

-- Expertise: Veterinary mycoplasma and had worked with various mycoplasmas in the 1980s at Plum Island.
-- Circumstance of Death: He was killed in his native Iraq while he was changing a flat tire and hit by a truck.
Source - Patricia A. Doyle, PhD

1996 - Tsunao Saitoh, 46

-- Expertise: A leading Alzheimer's researcher
-- Circumstance of Death: He and his 13 year-old daughter were killed in La Jolla, California, in what a Reuters report described as a "very professionally done" shooting. He was dead behind the wheel of the car, the side window had been shot out, and the door was open. His daughter appeared to have tried to run away and she was shot dead, also.

Dec 25, 1997 - Sidney Harshman, 67

-- Expertise: Professor of microbiology and immunology.
"He was the world's leading expert on staphylococcal alpha toxins," according to Conrad Wagner, professor of biochemistry at Vanderbilt and a close friend of Professor Harshman. "He also deeply cared for other people and was always eager to help his students and colleagues."
-- Circumstance of Death: Complications of diabetes

July 10, 1998 - Elizabeth A. Rich, MD, 46

-- Expertise: An associate professor with tenure in the pulmonary division of the Department of Medicine at CWRU and University Hospitals of Cleveland. She was also a member of the executive committee for the Center for AIDS Research and directed the biosafety level 3 facility, a specialized laboratory for the handling of HIV, virulent TB bacteria, and other infectious agents.
-- Circumstance of Death: Killed in a traffic accident while visiting family in Tennessee

September 1998 - Jonathan Mann, 51

-- Expertise: Founding director of the World Health Organisation's global Aids programme and founded Project SIDA in Zaire, the most comprehensive Aids research effort in Africa at the time, and in 1986 he joined the WHO to lead the global response against Aids. He became director of WHO's global programme on Aids which later became the UNAids programme. He then became director of the Francois-Xavier Bagnoud Center for Health and Human Rights, which was set up at Harvard School of Public Health in 1993. He caused controversy earlier this year in the post when he accused the US National Institutes of Health of violating human rights by failing to act quickly on developing Aids vaccines.
-- Circumstance of Death: Died in the Swissair Flight 111 crash in Canada.

March 2000 - Larry C. Ford

-- Expertise: Served as a consultant to both the CIA and the chemical and biological-weapons program of the South African Defense Forces, headed by Wouter Basson. His contributions to Basson's program included lectures on converting ordinary items into lethal biological weapons.
He provided samples of virulent, designer strains of cholera, anthrax, botulism, plague, and malaria, as well as a bacteria he claimed had been mutated to be "pigment specific" for the white minority government of South Africa.
<http://www.edwardhumes.com/articles/medicine.shtml>http://www.edwardhumes.com/articles/medicine.shtml
-- Circumstance of Death: Died of a shotgun blast at his home in Irvine, Orange County, California. His death was later ruled a suicide.
<http://www.visioncircle.org/archive/000055.html>http://www.visioncircle.org/archive/000055.html

April 15, 2000 - Walter W. Shervington, MD, 62

-- Expertise: An extensive writer/ lecturer/ researcher about mental health and AIDS in the African American community.
-- Circumstance of Death: Died of cancer at Tulane Medical Hospital.

July 16, 2000 - Mike Thomas, 35

-- Expertise: A microbiologist at the Crestwood Medical Center in Huntsville.
-- Circumstance of Death: Died a few days after examining a sample taken from a 12-year-old girl who was diagnosed with meningitis and survived.

December 25, 2000 - Linda Reese, 52

--Expertise: Microbiologist working with victims of meningitis.
--Circumstance of Death: Died three days after she studied a sample from Tricia Zailo, 19, a Fairfield, N.J., resident who was a sophomore at Michigan State University. Tricia Zailo died Dec. 18, a few days after she returned home for the holidays.

May 7 2001 - Professor Janusz Jeljaszewicz

-- Expertise: Expert in Staphylococci and Staphylococcal Infections. His main scientific interests and achievements were in the mechanism of action and biological properties of staphylococcal toxins, and included the immunomodulatory properties and experimental treatment of tumours by Propionibacterium.

November 2001 - Yaacov Matzner, 54

-- Expertise: Dean of the Hebrew University-Hadassah Medical School in Jerusalem and chairman of the Israel Society of Hematology and Blood Transfusions, was the son of Holocaust survivors. One of the world's experts on blood diseases including familiar Mediterranean fever (FMF), Matzner conducted research that led to a genetic test for FMF. He was working on cloning the gene connected to FMF and investigating the normal physiological function of amyloid A, a protein often found in high levels in people with blood cancer.
-- Circumstance of Death: Professors Yaacov Matzner and Amiram Eldor were on their way back to Israel via Switzerland when their plane came down in dense forest three kilometres short of the landing field.

November 2001 - Professor Amiram Eldor, 59

-- Expertise: Head of the haematology institute, Tel Aviv's Ichilov Hospital and worked for years at Hadassah-University Hospital's haematology department but left for his native Tel Aviv in 1993 to head the haematology institute at Ichilov Hospital. He was an internationally known expert on blood clotting especially in women who had repeated miscarriages and was a member of a team that identified eight new anti-clotting agents in the saliva of leeches.
-- Circumstance of Death: Professors Yaacov Matzner and Amiram Eldor were on their way back to Israel via Switzerland when their plane came down in dense forest three kilometres short of the landing field.

November 6, 2001 - Jeffrey Paris Wall, 41

-- Expertise: He was a biomedical expert who held a medical degree, and he also specialized in patent and intellectual property.
-- Circumstance of Death: Mr. Walls body was found sprawled next to a three-story parking structure near his office. He had studied at the University of California, Los Angeles.

Nov. 16, 2001 - Don C. Wiley, 57

-- Expertise: One of the foremost microbiologists in the United States. Dr. Wiley, of the Howard Hughes Medical Institute at Harvard University, was an expert on how the immune system responds to viral attacks such as the classic doomsday plagues of HIV, ebola and influenza.
-- Circumstance of Death: Police found his rental car on a bridge outside Memphis, Tenn. His body was found Dec. 20 in the Mississippi River.

Nov. 21, 2001 - Vladimir Pasechnik, 64

-- Expertise: World-class microbiologist and high-profile Russian defector; defected to the United Kingdom in 1989, played a huge role in Russian biowarfare and helped to figure out how to modify cruise missiles to deliver the agents of mass biological destruction.
-- Background: founded Regma Biotechnologies company in Britain, a laboratory at Porton Down, the country´s chem-bio warfare defense establishment. Regma currently has a contract with the U.S. Navy for "the diagnostic and therapeutic treatment of anthrax".
-- Circumstance of Death: The pathologist who did the autopsy, and who also happened to be associated with Britain´s spy agency, concluded he died of a stroke. Details of the postmortem were not revealed at an inquest, in which the press was given no prior notice. Colleagues who had worked with Pasechnik said he was in good health.

Dec. 10, 2001 - Robert M. Schwartz, 57

-- Expertise: Expert in DNA sequencing and pathogenic micro-organisms, founding member of the Virginia Biotechnology Association, and the Executive Director of Research and Development at Virginia´s Center for Innovative Technology in Herndon.
-- Circumstance of Death: stabbed and slashed with what police believe was a sword in his farmhouse in Leesberg, Va. His daughter, who identifies herself as a pagan high priestess, and several of her fellow pagans have been charged.

Dec. 14, 2001 - Nguyen Van Set, 44

-- Expertise: animal diseases facility of the Commonwealth Scientific and Industrial Research Organization had just come to fame for discovering a virulent strain of mousepox, which could be modified to affect smallpox.
-- Circumstance of Death: died at work in Geelong, Australia, in a laboratory accident. He entered an airlocked storage lab and died from exposure to nitrogen.

January 2002 - Ivan Glebov and Alexi Brushlinski.

-- Expertise: Two microbiologists. Both were well known around the world and members of the Russian Academy of Science.
-- Circumstance of Death: Glebov died as the result of a bandit attack and Brushlinski was killed in Moscow.

January 28, 2002 - David W. Barry, 58

-- Expertise: Scientist who codiscovered AZT, the antiviral drug that is considered the first effective treatment for AIDS.
-- Circumstance of Death: unknown

Feb. 9, 2002 - Victor Korshunov, 56

-- Expertise: Expert in intestinal bacteria of children around the world
-- Circumstance of Death: bashed over the head near his home in Moscow.

Feb. 14, 2002 - Ian Langford, 40

-- Expertise: expert in environmental risks and disease.
-- Circumstance of Death: found dead in his home near Norwich, England, naked from the waist down and wedged under a chair.

Feb. 28, 2002 - Tanya Holzmayer, 46

- -Expertise: a Russian who moved to the U.S. in 1989, focused on the part of the human molecular structure that could be affected best by medicine.
-- Circumstance of Death: killed by fellow microbiologist Guyang (Matthew) Huang, who shot her seven times when she opened the door to a pizza delivery. Then he shot himself.

Feb. 28, 2002 - Guyang Huang, 38

-- Expertise: Microbiologist
-- Circumstance of Death: Apparently shot himself after shooting fellow microbiologist, Tanya Holzmayer, seven times.

March 24, 2002 - David Wynn-Williams, 55

-- Expertise: Respected astrobiologist with the British Antarctic Survey, who studied the habits of microbes that might survive in outer space.
-- Circumstance of Death: Died in a freak road accident near his home in Cambridge, England. He was hit by a car while he was jogging.

March 25, 2002 - Steven Mostow, 63

-- Expertise: Known as "Dr. Flu" for his expertise in treating influenza, and a noted expert in bioterrorism of the Colorado Health Sciences Centre.
-- Circumstance of Death: died when the airplane he was piloting crashed near Denver.

August 05, 2002 - David R. Knibbs, PhD, 49

-- Expertise: Director of Electron Microscopy at Hartford Hospital and had a doctorate in pathobiology from the University of Connecticut. He also served as an adjunct faculty member at the University of Hartford.
-- Circumstance of Death: He collapsed and died after an evening
run (one of his joys in life).

Nov. 12, 2002 - Benito Que, 52

-- Expertise: Expert in infectious diseases and cellular biology at the Miami Medical School
-- Circumstance of Death: Que left his laboratory after receiving a telephone call. Shortly afterward he was found comatose in the parking lot of the Miami Medical School. He died without regaining consciousness. Police said he had suffered a heart attack. His family insisted he had been in perfect health and claimed four men attacked him. But, later, oddly, the family inquest returned a verdict of death by natural causes.

April 2003 - Carlo Urbani, 46

-- Expertise: A dedicated and internationally respected Italian epidemiologist, who did work of enduring value combating infectious illness around the world.
-- Circumstance of Death: Died in Bangkok from SARS (severe acute respiratory syndrome) - the new disease that he had helped to identify. Thanks to his prompt action, the epidemic was contained in Vietnam. However, because of close daily contact with SARS patients, he contracted the infection. On March 11, he was admitted to a hospital in Bangkok and isolated. Less than three weeks later he died.

June 24, 2003 - Dr. Leland Rickman of UCSD, 47

-- Expertise: An expert in infectious disease who helped the county prepare to fight bioterrorism after Sept. 11.
-- Circumstance of Death: He was in the African nation of Lesotho with Dr. Chris Mathews of UCSD, the director of the university's Owen Clinic for AIDS patients. Dr. Rickman had complained of a headache and had gone to lie down. When he didn't appear for dinner, Mathews checked on him and found him dead. A cause has not yet been determined.



July 18, 2003 - Dr. David Kelly, 59

-- Expertise: Biological warfare weapons specialist, senior post at the Ministry of Defense, an expert on DNA sequencing when he was head of microbiology at Porton Down and worked with two American scientists, Benito Que, 52, and Don Wiley, 57.
-- Helped Vladimir Pasechnik found Regma Biotechnologies, which has a contract with the U.S. Navy for "the diagnostic and therapeutic treatment of anthrax"
-- Circumstance of Death: He was found dead after seemingly slashing his wrist in a wooded area near his home at Southmoor, Oxfordshire.



Oct 11, 2003 - Michael Perich, 46

-- Expertise: LSU professor who helped fight the spread of the West Nile virus. Perich worked with the East Baton Rouge Parish Mosquito Control and Rodent Abatement District to determine whether mosquitoes in the area carried West Nile.
-- Circumstance of Death: Walker Police Chief Elton Burns said Sunday that Perich of 5227 River Bend Blvd., Baton Rouge, crashed his Ford pickup truck about 4:30 a.m. Saturday, while heading west on Interstate 12 in Livingston Parish. Perich's truck veered right off the highway about 3 miles east of Walker, flipped and landed in rainwater, Burns said. Perich, who was wearing his seat belt, drowned. The cause of the crash is under investigation, Burns said.
"Mike is one of the few entomologists with the experience to go out and save lives today."
~ Robert A. Wirtz, chief of entomology at the federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention

November 22, 2003 - Robert Leslie Burghoff, 45

-- Expertise: He was studying the virus that was plaguing cruise ships until he was killed by a mysterious white van in November of 2003
-- Circumstance of Death: Burghoff was walking on a sidewalk along the 1600 block of South Braeswood when a white van jumped the curb and hit him at 1:35 p.m. Thursday, police said. The van then sped away. Burghoff died an hour later at Memorial Hermann Hospital.

December 18, 2003 - Robert Aranosia, 61

-- Expertise: Oakland County deputy medical examiner
-- Circumstance of Death: He was driving south on I-75 when his pickup truck went off the freeway near a bridge over the Kawkawlin River. The vehicle rolled over several times before landing in the median. Aranosia was thrown from the vehicle and ended up on the shoulder of the northbound lanes.

January 6, 2004 - Dr Richard Stevens, 54

-- Expertise: A haematologist. (Haematologists analyse the cellular composition of blood and blood producing tissues eg bone marrow)
-- Circumstance of Death: Disappeared after arriving for work on 21 July, 2003. A doctor whose disappearance sparked a national manhunt, killed himself because he could not cope with the stress of a secret affair, a coroner has ruled.

January 23 2004 - Dr. Robert E. Shope, 74

-- Expertise: One of the world's top experts on viruses and infectious illnesses who was the principal author of a highly publicized 1992 report by the National Academy of Sciences warning of the possible emergence of new and unsettling infectious illnesses. He had accumulated his own collection of virus samples gathered from all over the world and worked on a Defense Department project to develop antidotes to viral agents that terrorists might use.
-- Circumstance of Death: The cause was complications of a lung transplant he received in December, said his daughter Deborah Shope of Galveston. Dr. Shope had pulmonary fibrosis, a disease of unknown origin that scars the lungs.

January 24 2004 - Dr. Michael Patrick Kiley, 62

-- Expertise: One of the world's leading microbiologists and an expert in developing and overseeing multiple levels of biocontainment facilities. He was at the forefront in the early studies of Lassa fever, the Ebola virus and mad cow disease while at the Centers for Disease Control in Atlanta, Ga.
-- Circumstance of Death: Died of massive heart attack. Coincidently, both Dr. Shope and Dr. Kiley were working on the lab upgrade to BSL 4 at the UTMB Galvaston lab for Homeland Security. The lab would have to be secure to house some of the deadliest pathogens of tropical and emerging infectious disease as well as bioweaponized ones.

March 13, 2004 - Vadake Srinivasan

-- Expertise: Was one of the most-accomplished and respected industrial biologists in academia, and held two doctorate degrees.
-- Circumstance of Death: He died in a mysterious single car accident in Baton Rouge, La. Crashed car into a guard rail and ruled a stroke.

April 12, 2004 - Ilsley Ingram, 84

-- Expertise: Director of the Supraregional Haemophilia Reference Centre and the Supraregional Centre for the Diagnosis of Bleeding Disorders at the St. Thomas Hospital in London.
-- Circumstance of Death: unknown

May 5, 2004 - William T. McGuire, 39

-- Expertise: NJ University Professor and Senior programmer analyst and adjunct professor at the New Jersey Institute of Technology in Newark.
-- Circumstance of Death: His dismembered body was found floating in three suitcases in the Chesapeake Bay.

May 14, 2004 - Dr. Eugene F. Mallove, 56

-- Expertise: Mallove was well respected for his knowledge of cold fusion. He had just published an open letter outlining the results of and reasons for his last 15 years in the field of new energy research. Dr. Mallove was convinced it was only a matter of months before the world would actually see a free energy device.
-- Circumstance of Death: Died after being beaten to death during an alleged robbery.

May 25, 2004 - Antonina Presnyakova

-- Expertise: Former Soviet biological weapons laboratory in Siberia --Circumstance of Death: Died after accidentally sticking herself with a needle laced with Ebola.

June 22, 2004 - Thomas Gold, 84

--Expertise: He was the founder, and for twenty years the director, of the Cornell Center for Radiophysics and Space Research, where he was a close colleague of Planetary Society co-founder Carl Sagan. Gold was famous for his provocative, controversial, and sometimes outrageous theories. Gold,s theory of the deep hot biosphere holds important ramifications for the possibility of life on other planets, including seemingly inhospitable planets within our own solar system. Gold sparked controversy in 1955 when he suggested that the Moon's surface is covered with a fine rock powder.
--Circumstance of Death: Died of heart failure.

June 24, 2004 - Dr. Assefa Tulu, 45

-- Expertise: Dr. Tulu joined the health department in 1997 and served for five years as the county's lone epidemiologist. He was charged with tracking the health of the county, including the spread of diseases, such as syphilis, AIDS and measles. He also designed a system for detecting a bioterrorism attack involving viruses or bacterial agents. Tulu often coordinated efforts to address major health concerns in Dallas County, such as the West Nile virus outbreaks of the past few years, and worked with the media to inform the public.
-- Circumstance of Death: Dallas County's chief epidemiologist, was found at his desk, died of a
stroke.

June 27, 2004 - Dr Paul Norman, Of Salisbury, Wiltshire, 52

-- Expertise: He was the chief scientist for chemical and biological defence at the Ministry of Defence's laboratory at Porton Down, Wiltshire. He travelled the world lecturing on the subject of weapons of mass destruction.
-- Circumstance of Death: Died when the Cessna 206 crashed shortly after taking off from Dunkeswell Airfield on Sunday. A father and daughter also died at the scene, and 44-year-old parachute instructor and Royal Marine Major Mike Wills later died in the hospital.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/wiltshire/3860995.stm

June 29, 2004 - John Mullen, 67

--Expertise: A nuclear research scientist with McDonnell Douglas.
--Circumstance of Death: Died from a huge dose of poisonous arsenic.
(Note: McDonnell Douglas did not exist in 2004. It merged with Boeing in 1997.)

July 1, 2004 - Edward Hoffman, 62

-- Expertise: Aside from his role as a professor, Hoffman held leadership positions within the UCLA medical community. Worked to develop the first human PET scanner in 1973 at Washington University in St. Louis.
-- Circumstance of Death: unknown

July 2, 2004 - Larry Bustard, 53

-- Expertise: A Sandia scientist who helped develop a foam spray to clean up congressional buildings and media sites during the anthrax scare in 2001. Worked at Sandia National Laboratories in Albuquerque. His team came up with a new technology used against biological and chemical agents.
-- Circumstance of Death: unknown

July 6, 2004 - Stephen Tabet, 42

-- Expertise: An associate professor and epidemiologist at the University of Washington. A world-renowned HIV doctor and researcher who worked with HIV patients in a vaccine clinical trial for the HIV Vaccine Trials Network.
-- Circumstance of Death: Died of an unknown illness

July 21, 2004 - Dr Bassem al-Mudares

-- Expertise: He was a phD chemist
-- Circumstance of Death: His mutilated body was found in the city of Samarra, Iraq and had been tortured before being killed.

July 21, 2004: Dr. John Badwey 54

-- Expertise: Scientist and accidental politician when he opposed disposal of sewage waste program of exposing humans to sludge. Biochemist at Harvard Medical School specializing in infectious diseases.
-- Circumstance of Death: Suddenly developed pneumonia like symptoms then died in two weeks.

August 12, 2004 - Professor John Clark

-- Expertise: Head of the science lab which created Dolly the sheep. Prof Clark led the Roslin Institute in Midlothian, one of the world,s leading animal biotechnology research centres. He played a crucial role in creating the transgenic sheep that earned the institute worldwide fame.
-- Circumstance of Death: He was found hanging in his holiday home.

September 5, 2004 - Mohammed Toki Hussein al-Talakani

-- Expertise: Iraqi nuclear scientist. He was a practising nuclear physicist since 1984.
-- Circumstance of Death: He was shot dead in Mahmudiya, south of Baghdad.

October 13, 2004 - Matthew Allison, 32

-- Expertise: (please help provide information - thank you MJH)
Fatal explosion of a car parked at an Osceola County, Fla., Wal-Mart store was no accident, Local 6 News has learned. Found inside a burned car. Witnesses said the man left the store at about 11 p.m. and entered his Ford Taurus car when it exploded. Investigators said they found a Duraflame log and propane canisters on the front passenger's seat.

November 2, 2004 - John R. La Montagne

-- Expertise: Head of US Infectious Diseases unit under Tommie Thompson. Was NIAID Deputy Director.
-- Circumstance of Death: Died while in Mexico, no cause stated.

December 21, 2004 - Taleb Ibrahim al-Daher

-- Expertise - Iraqi nuclear scientist
-- Circumstance of Death: He was shot dead north of Baghdad by unknown gunmen. He was on his way to work at Diyala University when armed men opened fire on his car as it was crossing a bridge in Baqouba, 57 km northeast of Baghdad. The vehicle swerved off the bridge and fell into the Khrisan river. Al-Daher, who was a professor at the local university, was removed from the submerged car and rushed to Baqouba hospital where he was pronounced dead.

December 29, 2004 - Tom Thorne and Beth Williams

-- Expertise: Two wild life scientists, Husband-and-wife wildlife veterinarians who were nationally prominent experts on chronic wasting disease and brucellosis
-- Circumstance of Death: They were killed in a snowy-weather crash on U.S. 287 in northern Colorado.

January 7, 2005 - Jeong H. Im, 72

-- Expertise: A retired research assistant professor at the University of Missouri-Columbia. Primarily a protein chemist.
-- Circumstance of Death: He was stabbed several times and his body was found in the trunk of his burning white, 1995 Honda inside the Maryland Avenue parking garage.

January 24, 2005 - Roger L. Blair, 54

-- Expertise: He worked for the Kennedy Space center as a micro-biologist and most recently for Wuesthoff Medical Center as a Medical Laboratory Technician.
-- Circumstance of Death: Died suddenly

April 5, 2005 - Barbara Kalow, 45

-- Expertise: A FEDERAL government veterinary scientist and was a researcher before being hired by the feds in 1992 as a meat inspector.
She then moved to veterinary biologics and was promoted to the science branch to advise on animal health issues.
-- Circumstance of Death: She died of asphyxiation after being smothered by a pillow in her hotel room while on vacation in Arizona.

Aril 18, 2005 - Douglas Passaro, 43

-- Expertise: He was an associate professor of epidemiology at the University of Illinois at Chicago School of Public Health and had been an outbreak investigator with the Epidemic Intelligence Service for the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention before completing an Infectious Diseases Fellowship at Stanford University in 2001.
-- Circumstance of Death: Died suddenly at his Oak Park home.

May 8, 2005 - David Banks, 55

-- Expertise: He was the principal scientist with Biosecurity Australia and was involved in containing pest and disease threats. His primary mission was protecting livestock and plants in the country, and keeping diseases from crossing into Australia. He was an expert in the propagation of diseases by insect vectors, among other things.

-- Circumstance of Death: He died along with 15 other people when the commuter plane he was traveling in went down in Queensland, Australia.

May 20, 2005 - Robert J. Lull, 64

-- Expertise: A prominent physician at San Francisco General Hospital who once headed the San Francisco Medical Society. Lull focused on improvements in diagnosis and treatment of thyroid cancer. Lull was a highly revered expert in the field of nuclear medicine, a specialty that performs diagnostic screens such as bone scans for cancer patients. Last year, Lull lectured in San Francisco about the threat of nuclear terrorism.
-- Circumstance of Death: He was found stabbed to death inside the doorway of his Diamond Heights home.

June 7, 2005 - Leonid Strachunsky (age unknown)

-- Expertise: World Health Organization expert and director of the Anti-Microbe Therapy Research Institute who specialized in creating microbes resistant to biological weapons, to the hepatitis outbreak.
-- Circumstance of Death: He was found dead in his hotel room in Moscow, where he came from Smolensk en route to the United States. He had been hit on the head with a champagne bottle, and some of his possessions were missing.

Now, isn't this going to be a hoot? While Jorge is busily stripping us of our rights with his precious Patriot Act(s) in the name of "national security" - it's not going to be the terrorists who bring us down - it's going to be the avian flu.

What'cha gonna do to prevent this, Jorge?

What a POS.

lynnie said:

Thanks for a most excellent post.

To tell you the truth I almost didn't click on this because I figured it was generalized, and we are as prepped as we can financially afford to be, or I thought it might be another date set by some unknown alleged cyber prophet out there.

I'd like to print it out for everybody I know. But I won't......it won't do a bit of good, sigh.

By the way Lowes has packs of 20 N-95's for twenty bucks in the paint department.

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Lynnie;

N-95 will not do the job! It takes N-100's to do it.....

And to be safer - Aff eye goggles as well (The eyes are a prime entrance-way for flu viruses. Via rubbing your eyes with your fingers/hands - which are contaminated by something you touched - like a shopping basket's handle bar etc..

Get sanitary wipes (the wet kind) and be sure to wipe your hands after each time you touch something where the public can get to it - door knobs, door bars - money etc....

shakey, Canada Sue said N-95 was good. I would hate to think I've wasted a lot of money on N95's but I do want adequate protection, and I know you read a lot of news.

Anybody else have more on this? Thanks. With 5 kids I don't think I can isolate myself.

The bird flu will probably work its way over the US/Mexican border with the rest of their 3rd world diseases that have begun to show up in our hospitals.

...and my birdflu stock (GILD:NYSE) keeps on climbing...

I've never had a stock climb like this before!

I bought it at 100 shares at $35.80 60 days ago at a total of $3580.00.
Today it's worth $44.81 per share, or $4481.00.

A $900.00 increase in 2 months!

It's history is nothing but UP, UP, UP!!!!!

Should I take the money and run?

tsk, tsk...

Thank God it is summer with a lot to do at home and have a garden that is growing leaps and bounds.

Ed in PA said:

Thank God it is summer with a lot to do at home and have a garden that is growing leaps and bounds.

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Ed in Pa;

That's the *bad part* about this bug (H5N1). So far it has ignored normal flu seasons - unlike other flu bugs. H5N1 is still expanding - spreading (out of normal flu season).....

The only major network that has done anything concerning the bird flu
was CNN. Can you imagine the stampede to buy bleach if the story becomes
"nightly news"? As someone else said earlier in this thread buy your preps
now.

tsk said:

...and my birdflu stock (GILD:NYSE) keeps on climbing...

I've never had a stock climb like this before!

I bought it at 100 shares at $35.80 60 days ago at a total of $3580.00.
Today it's worth $44.81 per share, or $4481.00.

A $900.00 increase in 2 months!

It's history is nothing but UP, UP, UP!!!!!

Should I take the money and run?

tsk, tsk...

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TSK, I myself would stock up on Tamiflu, Sambucol, masks, colloidial silver, canned foods etc, as a profit return..JM2cents

Fuzzychick said:

TSK, I myself would stock up on Tamiflu, Sambucol, masks, colloidial silver, canned foods etc, as a profit return..JM2cents

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Where can someone buy/acquire Tamiflu?

Tamiflu- it's prescription only. If you really are concerned, talk to your doc. However, be aware that they believe that this bug MAY be resistant to it already. :-(

Summerthyme

Please read about Tamaflu before you decide to take it. Not everyone can take
it if they have certain health problems. I know I can't!

Regarding N-95 masks:

This may be a really silly thought, but would lining the N-95 masks with a coffee filter be of any value? The moisture from breathing would be kept from the mask itself a little better, and perhaps prolong the use of it.


Coffee filters work pretty well in emergencies as breathing masks. We used them once during a chemical spill at a place I worked at in college (a million years ago ). So I wondered if doubling them up with the N-95's would be of any value?


Seabird

His warnings range from inadequate planning for hospital overcrowding to the fact that the U.S. market has only 2.5-week supply of caskets.

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My asthma specialist told me last fall that if I get the flu I'll end up in the hospital and I must get a flu shot every year.

Just saw specialist in May for 6 mth checkup, brought this up to ask for a tamiflu prescription, and was told they have NO WORRIES whatsoever about bird flu and no I can't have tamiflu.

These are the big Princeton top of the line MD's

Wonder if Greg House would give me some

FYI you can get Tamiflu on line without a Rx online from overseas.
BTW, where did Night Driver go? Was it Nepal?
IMHO, it will be travelers that bring it here in short order.

Commentary
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China Restricts Sharing of Bird Flu Samples

Recombinomics Commentary
June 17, 2005

>> "No unit or person is allowed to dissect poultry or wild animals that have died from disease, or to collect or transport samples without the approval of animal health authorities at the provincial level or above. No unit or person is allowed to collect samples and microbes and ship them overseas without the agriculture ministry's permission." <

The above directive issued in China appears to be restricting information on the current H5N1 bird flu outbreak at all levels. The latest outbreak began with a report on 180 dead bar headed geese in Qinghai Lake Nature Reserve. All reserves in China were closed when China announced that 519 birds had died and were positive for H5N1. A follow-up news conference indicated over 1000 birds had died, which was unprecedented for H5N1, which usually is not lethal in ducks or geese. Reports by nine students through Abundant News at boxun.com indicated that over 8000 birds had died. Reports indicated that 6 tourists and 121 residents in the area also died. The government denied that there were human cases and reports indicated that at least 8 of the 9 students had been arrested.

These reports were followed by reports of another outbreak near Tacheng City in Xinjiang province. Geese on a backyard farm began to die an they too were H5N1 positive. All of the poultry in the area was culled and the outbreak was said to be contained.

However, reliable source indicated that a pneumonia cluster had developed at Tacheng Hospital. Both patients and health care workers had been placed in isolation. These reports fueled speculation that there were significant number so of human H5N1 infections and deaths in Qinghai and Xinjiang provinces.

Now China has announced limits on movement of samples out of China, which is another indication that speculation about widespread efficiently transmitted human infections were being covered up by the government and the dead and infected patients signaled the beginning of phase 6 of the 2005 flu pandemic.

lynnie said:

My asthma specialist told me last fall that if I get the flu I'll end up in the hospital and I must get a flu shot every year.

Just saw specialist in May for 6 mth checkup, brought this up to ask for a tamiflu prescription, and was told they have NO WORRIES whatsoever about bird flu and no I can't have tamiflu.

These are the big Princeton top of the line MD's

Wonder if Greg House would give me some

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Asthmatics are the first in line for H5N1....trust me on that one...

Fuzzychick said:

TSK, I myself would stock up on Tamiflu, Sambucol, masks, colloidial silver, canned foods etc, as a profit return..JM2cents

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Quick question here:

Does Sambucol really work? My wife and I got some on Monday, just in case.

Our MD won't prescribe Tamiflu, nor will two others. Sunzab*tches.

NanoMask

Check out:

http://www.2hdistributors.com/index/mn20442/pg39678

Looks like a good mask for viral (Bird Flu) contaminants - price is not too bad.

Abert said:

Check out:

http://www.2hdistributors.com/index/mn20442/pg39678

Looks like a good mask for viral (Bird Flu) contaminants - price is not too bad.

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I have chosen to use the Nano mask in place of the N100. However, I
think the price from this web site is slightly higher than what I paid. Now I
bought mine in March directly from the company so prices may have increased.
IMO, the Nanomask fits closer to the face.

Rox

gdp, at least one more dead doc

May 31, 2005:

Marshall S. Horwitz, 68, cause of death not determined. A virologist at the Albert Einstein College of Medicine in New York.

This looks like its going from bad to worse. Time to check and recheck everything.

suzy

mcchrystal said:

Quick question here:

Does Sambucol really work? My wife and I got some on Monday, just in case.

Our MD won't prescribe Tamiflu, nor will two others. Sunzab*tches.

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Stock up on Sambucol. black elderberry extract.

lynnie said:

Thanks for a most excellent post.

To tell you the truth I almost didn't click on this because I figured it was generalized, and we are as prepped as we can financially afford to be, or I thought it might be another date set by some unknown alleged cyber prophet out there.

I'd like to print it out for everybody I know. But I won't......it won't do a bit of good, sigh.

By the way Lowes has packs of 20 N-95's for twenty bucks in the paint department.

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How true!!!

BTW, is that a good deal on the N-95s? I have been looking on ebay for mine and the shipping is going to be screwed. Looks like I will be going to Lowe's.

The first two things I will do is 1. Stay out of jetliners 2. Stay out of hospitals

Get sanitary wipes (the wet kind) and be sure to wipe your hands after each time you touch something where the public can get to it - door knobs, door bars - money etc....

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I will be shopping at Kroger if I need to shop if this breaks out. Kroger now has a container of wet disinfecting wipes at the door so you can clean your buggy handles. Don't know how long they have been doing this but I just noticed it yesterday.

Rox,

Do you have the link you ordered from as Alberts link only takes paypal and credit cards and had no email addy to contact to be able to send a money order.

I would like to order two of the package of 13 filters but only can send money order as I don't use credit cards or paypal.