How to Get Out Alive

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How to Get Out Alive

From hurricanes to 9/11: What the science of evacuation reveals about how humans behave in the worst of times

By AMANDA RIPLEY

When the plane hit Elia Zedeno's building on 9/11, the effect was not subtle. From the 73rd floor of Tower 1, she heard a booming explosion and felt the building actually lurch to the south, as if it might topple. It had never done that before, even in 1993 when a bomb exploded in the basement, trapping her in an elevator. This time, Zedeno grabbed her desk and held on, lifting her feet off the floor. Then she shouted, "What's happening?" You might expect that her next instinct was to flee. But she had the opposite reaction. "What I really wanted was for someone to scream back, 'Everything is O.K.! Don't worry. It's in your head.'"

She didn't know it at the time, but all around her, others were filled with the same reflexive incredulity. And the reaction was not unique to 9/11. Whether they're in shipwrecks, hurricanes, plane crashes or burning buildings, people in peril experience remarkably similar stages. And the first one--even in the face of clear and urgent danger--is almost always a period of intense disbelief.

Luckily, at least one of Zedeno's colleagues responded differently. "The answer I got was another co-worker screaming, 'Get out of the building!'" she remembers now. Almost four years later, she still thinks about that command. "My question is, What would I have done if the person had said nothing?"

Most of the people who died on 9/11 had no choice. They were above the impact zone of the planes and could not find a way out. But investigators are only now beginning to understand the actions and psychology of the thousands who had a chance to escape. The people who made it out of the World Trade Center, for example, waited an average of 6 min. before heading downstairs, according to a new National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) study drawn from interviews with nearly 900 survivors. But the range was enormous. Why did certain people leave immediately while others lingered for as long as half an hour? Some were helping co-workers. Others were disabled. And in Tower 2, many were following fatally flawed directions to stay put. But eventually everyone saw smoke, smelled jet fuel or heard someone giving the order to leave. Many called relatives. About 1,000 took the time to shut down their computers, according to NIST.

In other skyscraper fires, staying inside might have been exactly the right thing to do. In the case of the Twin Towers, at least 135 people who theoretically had access to open stairwells--and enough time to use them--never made it out, the report found.Since the early days of the atom bomb, scientists have been trying to understand how to move masses of people out of danger. Engineers have fashioned glowing exit signs, sprinklers and less flammable materials. Elaborate computer models can simulate the emptying of Miami or the Sears Tower, showing thousands of colored dots streaming for safety like a giant Ms. Pac-Man colony. But the most vexing problem endures. And it is not signage or architecture or traffic flow. It's us. Large groups of people facing death act in surprising ways. Most of us become incredibly docile. We are kinder to one another than normal. We panic only under certain rare conditions. Usually, we form groups and move slowly, as if sleepwalking in a nightmare.

Zedeno still did not immediately flee on 9/11, even after her colleague screamed at her. First she reached for her purse, and then she started walking in circles. "I was looking for something to take with me. I remember I took my book. Then I kept looking around for other stuff to take. It was like I was in a trance," she says, smiling at her behavior. When she finally left, her progress remained slow. The estimated 15,410 who got out, the NIST findings show, took about a minute to make it down each floor--twice as long as the standard engineering codes predicted. It took Zedeno more than an hour to descend. "I never found myself in a hurry," she says. "It's weird because the sound, the way the building shook, should have kept me going fast. But it was almost as if I put the sound away in my mind."

Had the planes hit later in the day, when the buildings typically held more than 32,000 additional people, a full evacuation at that pace would have taken more than four hours, according to the NIST study. More than 14,000 probably would have perished, Zedeno among them.

In a crisis, our instincts can be our undoing. William Morgan, who directs the exercise-psychology lab at the University of Wisconsin at Madison, has studied mysterious scuba accidents in which divers drowned with plenty of air in their tanks. It turns out that certain people experience an intense feeling of suffocation when their mouths are covered. They respond to that overwhelming sensation by relying on their instinct, which is to rip out whatever is in their mouths. For scuba divers, unfortunately, it is their oxygen source. On land, that would be a perfect solution.

Why do our instincts sometimes backfire so dramatically? Research on how the mind processes information suggests that part of the problem is a lack of data. Even when we're calm, our brains require 8 to 10 sec. to handle each novel piece of complex information. The more stress, the slower the process. Bombarded with new information, our brains shift into low gear just when we need to move fast. We diligently hunt for a shortcut to solve the problem more quickly. If there aren't any familiar behaviors available for the given situation, the mind seizes upon the first fix in its library of habits--if you can't breathe, remove the object in your mouth.

That neurological process might explain, in part, the urge to stay put in crises. "Most people go their entire lives without a disaster," says Michael Lindell, a professor at the Hazard Reduction & Recovery Center at Texas A&M University. "So, the most reasonable reaction when something bad happens is to say, This can't possibly be happening to me." Lindell sees the same tendency, which disaster researchers call normalcy bias, when entire populations are asked to evacuate.

When people are told to leave in anticipation of a hurricane or flood, most of them check with four or more sources--family, newscasters and officials, among others--before deciding what to do, according to a 2001 study by sociologist Thomas Drabek. That process of checking in, known to experts as milling, is common in disasters. On 9/11 at least 70% of survivors spoke with other people before trying to leave, the NIST study shows. (In that regard, if you work or live with a lot of women, your chances of survival may increase, since women are quicker to evacuate than men are.)

People caught up in disasters tend to fall into three categories. About 10% to 15% remain calm and act quickly and efficiently. Another 15% or less completely freak out--weeping, screaming or otherwise hindering the evacuation. That kind of hysteria is usually isolated and quickly snuffed out by the crowd. The vast majority of people do very little. They are "stunned and bewildered," as British psychologist John Leach put it in a 2004 article published in Aviation, Space, and Environmental Medicine.

So what determines which category you fall into? You might expect decisive people to be assertive and flaky people to come undone. But when nothing is normal, the rules of everyday life do not apply. No one knows more about human behavior in disasters than researchers in the aviation industry. Because they have to comply with so many regulations, they run thousands of people through experiments and interview scores of crash survivors. Of course, a burning plane is not the same as a flaming skyscraper or a sinking ship. But some behaviors in all three environments turn out to be remarkably similar.

On March 27, 1977, a Pan Am 747 awaiting takeoff at the Tenerife airport in the Canary Islands off Spain was sliced open without warning by a Dutch KLM jet that had come hurtling out of the fog at 160 m.p.h. The collision left twisted metal, along with comic books and toothbrushes, strewn along a half-mile stretch of tarmac. Everyone on the KLM jet was killed instantly. But it looked as if many of the Pan Am passengers had survived and would have lived if they had got up and walked off the fiery plane.

Floy Heck, then 70, was sitting on the Pan Am jet between her husband and her friends, en route from their California retirement residence to a Mediterranean cruise. After the KLM jet sheared off the top of their plane, Heck could not speak or move. "My mind was almost blank. I didn't even hear what was going on," she told an Orange County Register reporter years later. But her husband Paul Heck, 65, reacted immediately. He ordered his wife to get off the plane. She followed him through the smoke "like a zombie," she said. Just before they jumped out of a hole in the left side of the craft, she looked back at her friend Lorraine Larson, who was just sitting there, looking straight ahead, her mouth slightly open, hands folded in her lap. Like dozens of others, she would die not from the collision but from the fire that came afterward.

We tend to assume that plane crashes--and most other catastrophes--are binary: you live or you die, and you have very little choice in the matter. But in all serious U.S. plane accidents from 1983 to 2000, just over half the passengers lived, according to the National Transportation Safety Board. And some survived because of their individual traits or behavior--human factors, as crash investigators put it. After the Tenerife catastrophe, aviation experts focused on those factors--and people like the Hecks--and decided that they were just as important as the design of the plane itself.

Unlike tall buildings, planes are meant to be emptied fast. Passengers are supposed to be able to get out within 90 sec., even if only half the exits are available and bags are strewn in the aisles. As it turns out, the people on the Pan Am 747 had at least 60 sec. to flee before fire engulfed the plane. But of the 396 people on board, 326 were killed. Including the KLM victims, 583 people ultimately died--making the Tenerife crash the deadliest accident in civil aviation history.

What happened? Aren't disasters supposed to turn us into animals, driven by instinct and surging with adrenaline?

In the 1970s, psychologist Daniel Johnson was working on safety research for McDonnell Douglas. The more disasters he studied, the more he realized that the classic fight-or-flight behavior paradigm was incomplete. Again and again, in shipwrecks as well as plane accidents, he saw examples of people doing nothing at all. He was even able to re-create the effect in his lab. He found that about 45% of people in his experiment shut down (that is, stopped moving or speaking for 30 sec. or often longer) when asked under pressure to perform unfamiliar but basic tasks. "They quit functioning. They just sat there," Johnson remembers. It seemed horribly maladaptive. How could so many people be hard-wired to do nothing in a crisis?

But it turns out that that freezing behavior may be quite adaptive in certain scenarios. An animal that goes into involuntary paralysis may have a better chance of surviving a predatory attack. Many predators will not eat prey that is not struggling; that way, they are less likely to eat something sick or rotten that would end up killing them. Psychologist Gordon Gallup Jr. has found similar behavior among human rape victims. "They report being vividly aware of what was happening but unable to respond," he says.

In a fire or on a sinking ship, however, such a strategy can be fatal. So is it possible to override this instinct--or prevent it from kicking in altogether?

In the hours just before the Tenerife crash, Paul Heck did something highly unusual. While waiting for takeoff, he studied the 747's safety diagram. He looked for the closest exit, and he pointed it out to his wife. He had been in a theater fire as a boy, and ever since, he always checked for the exits in an unfamiliar environment. When the planes collided, Heck's brain had the data it needed. He could work on automatic, whereas other people's brains plodded through the storm of new information. "Humans behave much more appropriately when they know what to expect--as do rats," says Cynthia Corbett, a human-factors specialist with the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA).

To better understand how the mind responds to a novel situation like a plane crash, I visited the FAA's training academy in Oklahoma City, Okla. In a field behind one of their labs, they had hoisted a jet section on risers. I boarded the mock-up plane along with 30 flight-attendant supervisors. Inside, it looked just like a normal plane, and the flight attendants made jokes, pretending to be passengers. "Could I get a cocktail over here, please? I paid a lot of money for this seat!"

But once some (nontoxic) smoke started pouring into the cabin, everyone got quiet. As most people do, I underestimated how quickly the smoke would fill the space, from ceiling to floor, like a black curtain unfurling in front of us. In 20 sec., all we could see were the pin lights along the floor. As we stood to evacuate, there was a loud thump. In a crowd of experienced flight attendants, still someone had hit his or her head on an overhead bin. In a new situation, with a minor amount of stress, our brains were performing clumsily. As we filed toward the exit slide, crouched low, holding on to the person in front of us, several of the flight attendants had to be comforted by their colleagues.

Remember: those were trained professionals who had jumped down a slide at some point to become certified. I could imagine how much worse things might go in a real emergency with regular passengers and screaming children. As we emerged into the light, the mood brightened. The flight attendants cheered as their colleagues slid, one by one, to the ground.

Mac McLean has been studying plane evacuations for 16 years at the FAA's Civil Aerospace Medical Institute. He starts all his presentations with a slide that reads IT'S THE PEOPLE. He is convinced that if passengers had a mental plan for getting out of a plane, they would move much more quickly in a crisis. But, like others who study disaster behavior, he is perpetually frustrated that not more is done to encourage self-reliance. "The airlines and the flight attendants underestimate the fact that passengers can be good survivors. They think passengers are goats," he says. Better, more detailed safety briefings could save lives, McLean believes, but airline representatives have repeatedly told him they don't want to scare passengers.

And so most passengers are indeed goats. Should the worst occur, says McLean, "people don't have a clue. They want you to come by and say, O.K., hon, it's time to go. Plane's on fire."

If we know that training--or even mental rehearsal--vastly improves people's responses to disasters, it is surprising how little of it we do. Even in the World Trade Center, which had complicated escape routes and had been attacked once before, preparation levels were abysmal, we now know. Fewer than half the survivors had ever entered the stairwells before, according to the NIST report. Thousands of people hadn't known they had to wind through confusing transfer hallways to get down.

Early findings from another study, sponsored by the Centers for Disease Control, found that only 45% of 445 Trade Center workers interviewed had known the buildings had three stairwells. Only half had known the doors to the roof would be locked. "I found the lack of preparedness shocking," says lead investigator Robyn Gershon, an associate professor of sociomedical sciences at Columbia University who shared the findings with TIME.

Until last year, it was illegal to require anyone in a New York City high rise to evacuate in a drill. That is absurd, of course. Under regulations being debated, building managers will probably have to run full or partial evacuation drills every two years so most people in those buildings will have entered their stairwells at least once. Some people may even descend to the bottom, and they will never forget how long it takes. The disabled will figure out how much assistance they need. The obese will see that they slow down the whole evacuation as they struggle for breath.

Manuel Chea, then a systems administrator on the 49th floor of Tower 1, did everything right on 9/11. As soon as the building stopped swaying, he jumped up from his cubicle and ran to the closest stairwell. It was an automatic reaction. As he left, he noticed that some of his colleagues were collecting things to take with them. "I was probably the fastest one to leave," he says. An hour later, he was outside.

When I asked him why he had moved so swiftly, he had several theories. The previous year, his house in Queens, N.Y., had burned to the ground. He had escaped, blinded by smoke. Oh, yes, he had also been in a serious earthquake as a child in Peru and in several smaller ones in Los Angeles years later. He was, you could say, a disaster expert. And there's nothing like a string of bad luck to prepare you for the unthinkable.
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/printout/0,8816,1053663-1,00.html
 

Satanta

Stone Cold Crazy
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situations differ but it basically amounts to "iACT!!!"

Don't sit there wondering what might or might not be-do something to save yourself.

Sitting on yer ass is a death sentence.
 

Satanta

Stone Cold Crazy
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Christian for Israel said:
the definition of 'sheeple'...


CfI...I have a plan for damn near everything and I constantly observe and evaluate a situation when I approach it.

I try to get a Exit seat when I fly.

I figure out where ALL the exits in a building are including which windows are over a sheer drop and which have something to catch you when you go out one. That also entails observing which windows that are 'good' windows have something I can toss thru them-if I am not armed.

Same with anything. Someone once told me I was always on 'Yellow Alert'. That's when I'm as;eep.
 

FREEBIRD

Has No Life - Lives on TB
My general reaction to any degree of wirdness is to get out of Dodge. I figure I can always go back later if it turns out to be a false alarm.
 

chairborne commando

Membership Revoked
An excellent post, IMHO.

I have observed exactly this sort of behavior during even minor fire emergencies. People stay put or have even called the Front Desk at the hotel where I work,
asking if someone could do something about the noise from the fire alarm system speaker in their room. (there's something wrong with my smoke detector, can you help me?)

The proverb "He who hesitates is lost" comes to mind.
 

RC

Inactive
Satanta said:
CfI...I have a plan for damn near everything and I constantly observe and evaluate a situation when I approach it.

I try to get a Exit seat when I fly.

I try to get the exit row for the extra legroom, and for safety. And since my fellow passengers might need me to do so, I take a moment to study the exit so that I can work it. Of course, with a new baby, we won't be allowed to sit in that row for a few years.

But whenever I am on a plane, I do make a point to locate the nearest exit, and count how many rows away it is. Then, I can find it, even without being able to see it, by counting seat backs.

Incidentally, doing nothing is sometimes the best strategy. But doing nothing because it might be a false alarm is usually a bad strategy. But in general, I would say that moving away from any kind of danger is the best default strategy.

I had one interesting experience with the "milling" behavior described in the article. I was working in a basement office, in a building chock full of toxic chemicals, when the power went out, and we experienced complete darkness. People were dumbfounded that I had a flashlight with me. When I turned it on, everyone basically just milled about, like the article said. It turned out to be a non-emergency, but we had no way of knowing that. Admittedly, I was one of the people milling about, but when I stated after a couple of minutes that we should "evacuate" (using that word), everyone agreed that would be a wise course of action, and we did so. I have the feeling that if I hadn't said anything, we probably would have been all standing around for another 20 minutes.
 

LilRose8

Veteran Member
I always pay attention to where exits are on a plane. I try to get seats close to the exits as well.
After reading this article, I will be paying more attention to where exits are in stores, businesses and high rises as well.
 

night driver

ESFP adrift in INTJ sea
RELIC and I don't always do this consciously, though we do try to catch each other NOT making evac plans in what ever situation we're in.

We DO do it unconsciously to a surprising extent. I can't rememer the last time I caught her not knowing the 3 or 5 best evac routes in whatever building we were in. I can't remember the last time she caught ME unable to point to the best way(s) out, and that includes which pieces of furniture to chuck through which window....


But then again we ALSO play "BANG!!! 3 shots fired! GO!" on a whim....



NEITHER of us is comfy in crowds bigger than 12...... And yet we'll set up and run a first aid station for a crowd of 250,000.......


c
 

housemouse

Membership Revoked
This is an intersting topic. I am one of those who is "hyperreactive" in an emergency situation, and can process info very fast, and conclude what to do. An example is just a couple months past.

We live in an area that gets a lot of snow and ice build up on our roofs. My husband is an architect, and desgined our roof overhang to protect the service equipment going into our cottage.

Anyway, one night we were relaxing after dinner, and there was a sudden harsh crashing sound, followed by a loud "whooshing roar" coming from the back of the house, near the well, the air conditioner, the electric meter and the gas meter.

I knew instantly, he didn't. I yelled to get out of the house, and he stood there like a stunned mullet. He said "it has to be the air-conditioner". I said, "that sounds like gas, let's get out of here".

He said to wait, he would get the flashlight and go look. I said, let's get the heck out of the house, then go look. He muttered about the air-conditioner again. I listened to the sound, and said that I was getting the dogs and the cell phone, and would get out of the house, BUT! I was going to get in the car to drive away.

At that point, a light bulb went off in his head, and he said NO! Walk down the driveway. As we walked down the driveway (800 ft) the gushing noise was very loud, and I told him to call the gas companywhich he did. I then told him not to rely on them, but to call 911 and tell them we had a gas emergency, which he did.

The local volunteer fire department showed up 5 minutes later, with equipment to shut off the broken gas line going into our house. The gas company showed up 30 minutes after the volunteer fire department had left.

I knew within 5 seconds that it was a broken gas line. He couldn't figure it out until he went to look with the first volunteer fire dept. guy that showed up. This is interesting to me. Is it because he designed the roof overhang to take care of the snow and ice, and assumed that a large chunk of ice sliding off the roof wouldn't richochet back and slice right through the gas line into the house?

Who knows. I do know that my "hyper-reactions" are often ridiculed by others near and dear to me. I also know that when there is an emergency, I am the first to react, and usually do just the right thing. It is as if my brain goes into "hyper-drive" and figures out what the problem is, and what the best strategy to avoid catastrophe might be.

There are certain places I will not go, and I have given up explaining to others why.
 

USDA

Veteran Member
"So, the most reasonable reaction when something bad happens is to say, This can't possibly be happening to me." Lindell sees the same tendency, which disaster researchers call normalcy bias, when entire populations are asked to evacuate.

Makes me wonder...here on Timebomb...we discuss national/world disaster as if it were happening now. And we wonder what to do...knowing nothing else to do we prepare BOB or stock up on preps.

I wonder if, in the world at large, particularly in this country, if we are not going into a nose dive...yet nobody has come by telling us..."time to move hon...the plane is on fire." so we set waiting...as if in slow motion...for the commerical to end, the crisis to spontaniously cure itself and we won't have to do anything at all?

In other words...the article describes how we behave so often in an acute emergency. What happens if the 'emergency' is a clear and present danger to the dollar...the crushing deficet, an economic debucle that could plunge us into a real 'dark age' and yet, knowing this is the possibility and probably happening as we speake...yet we move as if we had another 20 years to prepare.

The immergration issue is present...yet we deal with it like...a few percent of the people even acknowledge it...even fewer show some gumption and do what the Minutemen have done...the rest of us just set, waiting for the planes cabin to fill with smoke, the scretching sound as metal crushes into earth. And the kindness of oblivion.
 

Christian for Israel

Knight of Jerusalem
Satanta said:
CfI...I have a plan for damn near everything and I constantly observe and evaluate a situation when I approach it.

I try to get a Exit seat when I fly.

I figure out where ALL the exits in a building are including which windows are over a sheer drop and which have something to catch you when you go out one. That also entails observing which windows that are 'good' windows have something I can toss thru them-if I am not armed.

Same with anything. Someone once told me I was always on 'Yellow Alert'. That's when I'm as;eep.
sat, i was calling the people in the article sheeple, not you bro. :lol:
 

RC

Inactive
Christian for Israel said:
housemouse, i tend to be the same way. you're right, we catch a lot of crap from the sheeple for this...:shk:

The day after the minor incident I mentioned above (the lights went out, and I produced a flashlight), I got two reactions. One person seemed to think I was the smartest person in the world for having thought to have a flashlight (in other words, it never occurred to them that the lights might go out, and I was brilliant for having thought of it). But quite a few people seemed to think I was nuts, just because I had a flashlight with me. One went so far as to speculate as to whether I was also armed, because I took such a paranoid precaution (having a little dollar store flashlight with weak batteries.)
 

LilRose8

Veteran Member
12 Habits of Highly Successful Survivors

The following guide is on the twelve habits of highly successful survivors from the Author Laurence Gonzales who wrote; Deep Survival: Who Lives, Who Dies, and Why. This is a great book is well worth the read and he has won awards for his coverage of wilderness safety and survival. The investigate further go to the web site at www.deepsurvival.com. He wrote an article for Adventure Magazine about the habits of survivors. The following is from that article.

12 Habits of Highly Successful Survivors

Perceive, Believe
Stay Calm
Think, Analyze, Plan
Take Action
Celebrate Your Success
Be a Rescuer, Never a Victim
Enjoy the Survival Journey
See the Beauty
Surrender
Do Whatever Is Necessary
Believe You Will Succeed
Never Give Up
 

timbo

Deceased
Good article....have seen a lot of sheeple in my day.

What I do and have told rookies to do is to develop a "third eye".

The third eye is about 5-8 feet behind you and about 3 feet above your head.

So in an emergency you use the third eye to evaluate not only yourself but what the situation is as well.

It allows you to have the very real emotions of fear and tension,but also what to do about it with the third eye.

I remember many times getting into situations of people with weapons,etc that you go ahead and confront that person but the third eye is observing and assessing what else needs to be done.

It is a calming part that we all need in an emergency and also makes us think on what to do next.

Think of it like reading and really concentrating on a novel and at the same time thinking about,say, what time you are going to bed and maybe what snack you want to have......all at the same time.
 

OddOne

< Yes, I do look like that.
My response to a sudden crisis has always been threefold:

1. Get the hell out or away from the situation, NOW NOW NOW. Drop everything and RUN.
2. Analyze the situation from a suitably safe distance. Contact anyone that needs to be contacted.
3. Attempt any reasonable rescue or recovery. If this isn't possible, affect the situation positively by assisting any responders.

I'ev always been that way, even when as a tennager a friend and I disturbed a hidden yellowjacket nest while traipsing through some woods. The wasps attacked him first, and I bolted for safety, analyzed the situation, and then returned to his aid to get the angry bugs off him. All that happened in the space of about two seconds in real time.

It is indeed much better to ensure you get to safety and then get a grasp of the situation before you try to save anyone else, or you'll be another victim.

oO
 

LilRose8

Veteran Member
Good advice Timbo. It is sort of like the 'eyes in the back of my head' I always told my kids I had!
It is also that instictive gut feeling of the conditions around you/
 

timbo

Deceased
Right LilRose
When I first started doing this I literally tried and then could see what was going on from that perspective.
I know I heard about this from someone else,but darned if I can remember who or where I first heard of it. It could have been an old partner of mine or some book,I dont know.
A little disconcerting at first,but it got me out of some tight spots more than a few times.
 

Woolly

Inactive
CFI, your post is well taken.

As we set around thinking about how we would react to a crisis we are ignoring the tremors under our buildings now. These tremors are of the financial variety, and portend a great quake.

But, like those victims of the WTC, we cannot concieve of a situation where the financial structure of America itself could fail. When the credit agency downgraded both Ford and GM securities to Junk status today the financial earthquake began. We should not be surprised to see the 80 Trillion dollar derivitives business begin to unwind. This too will start slowly, and overtime will gain momentum. This process will likely end badly.

Once the devolution of financial instruments starts it could sweep away Fannymae and FreddieMac, and with them the housing industry and building values. But, like those in the second tower of the WTC only a very few are making their way to the exits while there is still time.

We are in our ruts, and we are comfortable. We are, as a species, unwilling to consider the consequences of the familiar structures of our lives coming apart. Some of us, as with some of those in the WTC's destruction, will not come out alive.

We do not have long to wait now for the "Big One"!

IMO,

Woolly
 

DuckandCover

Proud Sheeple
USDA said:
"So, the most reasonable reaction when something bad happens is to say, This can't possibly be happening to me." Lindell sees the same tendency, which disaster researchers call normalcy bias, when entire populations are asked to evacuate.

Makes me wonder...here on Timebomb...we discuss national/world disaster as if it were happening now. And we wonder what to do...knowing nothing else to do we prepare BOB or stock up on preps.

I wonder if, in the world at large, particularly in this country, if we are not going into a nose dive...yet nobody has come by telling us..."time to move hon...the plane is on fire." so we set waiting...as if in slow motion...for the commerical to end, the crisis to spontaniously cure itself and we won't have to do anything at all?

In other words...the article describes how we behave so often in an acute emergency. What happens if the 'emergency' is a clear and present danger to the dollar...the crushing deficet, an economic debucle that could plunge us into a real 'dark age' and yet, knowing this is the possibility and probably happening as we speake...yet we move as if we had another 20 years to prepare.

The immergration issue is present...yet we deal with it like...a few percent of the people even acknowledge it...even fewer show some gumption and do what the Minutemen have done...the rest of us just set, waiting for the planes cabin to fill with smoke, the scretching sound as metal crushes into earth. And the kindness of oblivion.



I actually think that the "ultra-doomers" that some here appear to be (and sometimes annoy me ;) ) will be the ones that respond the best to an emergency. That is because they have played out these scenerios in their minds over and over and probably have it built in to some extent on how to react to certain situations. They will be less likely to fall into the denial mode, as they have been expecting something bad to happen for a long time.
 

RC

Inactive
OddOne said:
1. Get the hell out or away from the situation, NOW NOW NOW. Drop everything and RUN.

I agree, except I think in most cases, the best advice is to Drop everything and WALK VERY QUICKLY.

In most situations, the difference in time between walking and running would be relatively slight. And in most situations, walking is probably safer, and also doesn't call unwanted attention to yourself (e.g., "police are looking for a man seen running from the scene.")
 

Christian for Israel

Knight of Jerusalem
you make a good point RC. it'd be a shame to be shot by a cop as a possible criminal just because you were leaving the scene of a coming catastrophe.
 

nanna

Devil's Advocate
I'll never forget how, on 9/11, our building (one block away) and others were telling their tenants to stay put - until the first tower fell, at which point in time they decided to evacuate *then*. (I was long gone by then.)

I'll also never forget how many people walked downtown TO LOOK AT WHAT WAS GOING ON ... only to then be overwhelmed by the famous dust cloud of building debris.

My advice, it GET AWAY from danger and then consider your options ... and DO NOT become hypnotized by the drama of what is unfolding around you. Don't rubberneck - you'll likely be able to see the replay on TV later, if you really want.



nanna
 

BaywaterRoss

Inactive
Interesting topic. Guess I'll make my first reply in a month or so, now that I have a working computer again.

I've been in a number of "situations" and have always been the one to be buggin' out or barkin' orders, whichever was needed.

Two years ago a buddy of mine at work (small office) was sitting at his desk and suddenly made an animal-like gutteral sound, turned a deep yellow, and collapsed to the floor. Everyone else just stood there and watched it happen. I was called by one of the older workers to the scene whereupon I immediately barked for the others present to get his feet elevated, his tie off, and his shirt open. I was on the phone with the 9-1-1 operator just seconds later giving directions. Then I yelled at one of the bystanders to go outside and direct the ambulance inside. My buddy was awake but not "really there" and not truly aware. (He later told me he didn't remember anything.) The paramedics arrived, ran an EKG and discovered that his heart had stopped beating correctly. It was trying to beat from the bottom up and the top down at the same time. While the PM was getting him stabilized, he asked "Who got his feet elevated?" One of the workers pointed an accusing finger at me and said "He told us to do that." The PM said "Good, it probably saved his life." The next day the business owner complained to my manager that she didn't like me barking orders to everyone around during the crisis. Idjit.

It amazed me how everyone else just stood and gawked. I've seen it many other times in other circumstances (car wrecks, fires, etc.) and I always act while others stand idly by. Still weird each time it happens.
 

BaywaterRoss

Inactive
Christian for Israel said:
BWR! great to have you back. you've been missed!

your boss should have read that business owner the riot act over that...:shk:

Thanks for the welcome back! Computer problems make me crazy.

My boss and I quit. Simplest thing to do, not work for an idjit. :lol:
 

ainitfunny

Saved, to glorify God.
One of the best axioms to live by is that an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. Seriously evaluating the necessity and worth of placing one's self in a situation that is statistically MORE perilous than NOT doing so is the first decision towards survival or peril.

You know your are not a survivalist (or likely to survive long)if you cultivate very many of the following personality traits and behaviors:

A presupposition to discount God's power and will,
Frequenting bad neighborhoods,
riding with drunks,
attending riots or violent protests,
bungee jumping with amateurs,
gambling with strangers,
accepting rides from strangers or picking up hitchhikers, partying with people you just met,
accepting dares and showing off,
living for the moment,
carrying a chip on your shoulder and a short fuse,
looking for the fast buck and easy money,
dismissing any personal responsibility for your own needs, welfare, and survival,
addressing problems from the aspect of blame rather than potential solutions,
cultivating an unwarranted, eternally optimistic attitude of hear, see and speak of no potential or approaching evil,
manipulating your situation in life so as to severely limit the options you have available to meet problems, dismissing the value of close, supportive, family, friends, church and community ties,
unrestrained, inability to wisely "choose your battles", lack of the discretion to instantly abandon even a cherished possession that imperils onesself,
rationalizing unpreparedness with a helpless, hopeless fatalism,
misusing "faith" to try to justify not taking reasonable precaution and preparations,
The list is endless.
 

DannyBoy

Wishing I was Cruising with my Sweetie...
Very Interesting Stuff...

Thanks Christian for Israel, for the post. I really wonder how I would have responded... since I am a man, it may very well have been to say something like... well, its cool. Everything is OK, and then wait and see how things were going.

I usually respond quick enough in emergencies, but in that case, I am just now sure how I would have reacted. Of couse, I would never work in a building that high in NYC anyway. (It would be just too weird to work that far away from the ground.)

Dan
 

OddOne

< Yes, I do look like that.
Christian for Israel said:
misusing "faith" to try to justify not taking reasonable precaution and preparations,
this is the one i run into so often, and it's the hardest for me to understand...

People of the mindset that would stand in front of a runaway truck and shout "God will protect me!" are scary. Scripture does commend the shrewd for taking precautions for an impending calamity, where the stupid blunder along and encounter that calamity.

oO
 

mudwrench

Senior Member
out of dodge

FREEBIRD said:
My general reaction to any degree of wirdness is to get out of Dodge. I figure I can always go back later if it turns out to be a false alarm.

geting out of dodge is a good thing. instinct maybe, but we also have to worry about tptb........ i have been a situation where all roads in amd out of a particular area were closed............. also the hurricane survivors were denied access to their properties after the winds died down by the local yokels. not for any other reason than to keep the people safe. what do we do in a situation like this?? i have an idea what i would do, what about others?
 

Tullamore

Thaumaturge, j.g.
Dang! Feel like I'm more wooly than I thought

housemouse said:
There are certain places I will not go, and I have given up explaining to others why.
Might you be willing to describe one or two such places, or better, one or two categories or classes into which these places fall?

Tullamore.
 

Walrus Whisperer

Hope in chains...
This is well worth the rerun after what happened today.
Everybody in the office and the building next to us was outside gawking at the black cloud of smoke roiling out of the transformer fire. After they all heard an explosion. and then a very loud whooshing, whistleing noise started that was very like the sound made by a cut gas line. Luckily the wind was blowing the smoke away, but it could have turned at any minute which it does often here. When I got back to work it was blowing from that direction and if it had happened then we would have been right in the cloud of smoke.
Excellant article, CFI, and I had paid heed to it which is why I reacted more or less okay. Thank you!
 
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