Bush Authorizes Use of Quarantine Powers in Cases of Bird Flu

Kalliope

Inactive
April 2, 2005
Bush Authorizes Use of Quarantine Powers in Cases of Bird Flu
By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS

ASHINGTON, April 1 (AP) - President Bush signed an executive order on Friday authorizing the government to impose a quarantine to deal with any outbreak of a particularly lethal variation of influenza now found in Southeast Asia.

The order is intended to deal with a type of influenza commonly referred to as bird flu. Since January 2004, an estimated 69 people, primarily in Vietnam, have contracted the disease. But Dr. Keiji Fukuda, a flu expert at the federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention in Atlanta, has said he suspects there are more cases.

The fatality rate among those reported to have contracted the disease is about 70 percent.

Health officials around the world are trying to monitor the virus because some flu pandemics are thought to have begun with birds.

Mr. Bush's order added pandemic influenza to the government's list of communicable diseases for which a quarantine is authorized. It gives the government authority to detain or isolate a passenger arriving in the United States to prevent an infection from spreading.

The authority would be used only if the passenger posed a threat to public health and refused to cooperate with a voluntary request, the Department of Health and Human Services said.

The quarantine list was amended in 2003 to include SARS, or severe acute respiratory syndrome, which killed nearly 800 people in 2003. Other diseases on the list are cholera, diphtheria, infectious tuberculosis, plague, smallpox, yellow fever and viral hemorrhagic fevers.

Quarantine and isolation were last used during the SARS outbreak in 2003. The last large-scale quarantine was during the Spanish flu pandemic of 1918-19, though there have been lesser quarantines - for instance, travelers coming off airliners or cruise ships who have been exposed to curable diseases.

Jennifer Morcone, a spokeswoman for the health centers, said Mr. Bush's executive order was intended to prepare for all options.

The Public Health Service, Ms. Morcone said, would typically recommend voluntary home quarantine when possible. In general, the government defers to state and local authorities in their use of quarantine powers and would work with them in case of an outbreak, she said.


http://www.nytimes.com/2005/04/02/politics/02birdflu.html?
 

Libertarian

Deceased
I am in the middle of re-reading The Stand. It is all the more frightening given the possibility for H5N1 to mutate and jump species. The book pointed out that quarantines do not work well with airborne viruses and in our mass transit society.
 
Libertarian said:
I am in the middle of re-reading The Stand. It is all the more frightening given the possibility for H5N1 to mutate and jump species. The book pointed out that quarantines do not work well with airborne viruses and in our mass transit society.


Actually IMHO; I believe I'd be watching the Marburg virus a bit closer than H5N1.

So far it has made it into Italy (the person who brought it in was just one person (about 3 days ago) - but last evening Italy anounced the hospitalization of 9 suspected cases!

H5N1; as near as any one can tell (asia keeps poor records - if any records at all).
How ever it is generally thought that H5N1 has between a 60% to 70% fatality rate.........

Marburg id at the 100% fatality rate; and the demostrated evidence (so far) demostrates that it can TRAVEL with some what frighenting ease....

This may well be a *Both Barrels* situation we are facing.........
 

skip8

Inactive
Libertarian said:
I am in the middle of re-reading The Stand. It is all the more frightening given the possibility for H5N1 to mutate and jump species. The book pointed out that quarantines do not work well with airborne viruses and in our mass transit society.

Love those Presidential Exec Orders...what DO TPTB already know?

Wouldn't an effective quarantine require a total shut-down of mass-trans and work/schools for a fixed peiod of time? How long? :eek:
 

CanadaSue

Inactive
SHAKEY!?!

een up to my a$$ in alligators lately. WHAT is this about Marburg reaching Italy with potentially NINE cases there? Reference quick before I have kittens.

Do forgive me for hoping you're blowing smoke, eh?

This outbreak is already right weird...
 

CanadaSue

Inactive
Shakey - found it

Just starting to do the reading & now I feel a bit shaky.

Think I know how I'm soending the next few hours until the family gets home...
 

Sharon

Inactive
Told DH what I was reading and his first statement was "wonder what they know that we don't!!

So glad you're on this CanadaSue!!
 

Kimber

Membership Revoked
My wife works at Sinai-Johns Hopkins in Baltimore. I've already got her to promise that if a "weird" bug starts showing up that she will bug out with me. I'll post before we go.

Our plan - 6 months (minimum) in isolation.

David
 

Splicer205

Deceased
Would it be too conspiratorial to wonder if the military base closing around the country tie in with this? O.K. flame me, but they'd make "secure flu centers."
 

CanadaSue

Inactive
Nothing 'secure' about flu

Look, they suspect someone off a flight has it, okay? Fair enough scenario but putting that one person in quarantine is worthless. Flu transmits easily - especially on a flight. Technically & medically, the only thing to do is quarantine EVERYBODY off that flight & work back to the origin & quarantine everyone who had contact with passengers/crew there & keep going & going...

Don't forget you can be 'happily' transmitting that wret6ched bug 24 hours before even knowing you have it.

The only way to effectively stop flu is to immediately 'freeze the world where it stands' until it passes. I know, utterly impossible. And I know the umpteen reasons for that too. Governments have to plan for mitigation & dealing with the massive dislocations that WILL occur with a bad pandemic of flu. Individuals & families have to decide if they have the cojones to sit tight for as long as it takes - not to mention the resources. Not easy calls to make on any level.
 

msswv123

Veteran Member
This is the yahoo article I posted last night...I don't think it applies to only "bird" flu.....blessings T


The Bush order added pandemic influenza to the list of diseases for which quarantine is authorized. Pandemic flu is considered a novel or re-emergent strain to which there is little or no population immunity.

Bush Order Allows Isolation of Those with Bird Flu

Fri Apr 1, 4:46 PM ET



WASHINGTON (Reuters) - President Bush issued a directive on Friday allowing authorities to detain or isolate any passenger suspected of having avian flu when arriving in the United States aboard an international flight.

The H5N1 bird flu virus has killed 49 people in Asia since 2003, 35 in Vietnam, 12 in Thailand and 2 Cambodians, while millions of birds have been slaughtered to contain the disease.


Even so, the World Health Organization has said it had seen no evidence so far to suggest the bird flu virus was changing into a form that could be easily transmitted from one human to another.


White House spokesman Trent Duffy called the directive a precautionary measure.


"There's no evidence of any risk of avian flu to the American people at this time. But in an abundance of caution, this is a pragmatic step to ensure the government has the authority it needs to protect the American people as best it can," Duffy said.


The Bush order added pandemic influenza to the list of diseases for which quarantine is authorized. Pandemic flu is considered a novel or re-emergent strain to which there is little or no population immunity.


Under the directive, the Health and Human Services Department is given legal authority to detain or isolate any passenger suspected of having the avian flu to prevent the person from infecting others.


Quarantine and isolation were last used during the outbreak of SARS in 2003.



http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tm...birdflu_bush_dc


marburg
Incubation Period: Usually 5-7 days, but can range from 3-10 days.
 

Kimber

Membership Revoked
Splicer,

Nothing is too conpiratorial.

Dead Scientist Link
http://www.***********.com/dead_scientists/UpdatedDeadScientists.html

David
 

skip8

Inactive
CanadaSue said:
Look, they suspect someone off a flight has it, okay? Fair enough scenario but putting that one person in quarantine is worthless. Flu transmits easily - especially on a flight. Technically & medically, the only thing to do is quarantine EVERYBODY off that flight & work back to the origin & quarantine everyone who had contact with passengers/crew there & keep going & going...

Don't forget you can be 'happily' transmitting that wret6ched bug 24 hours before even knowing you have it.

The only way to effectively stop flu is to immediately 'freeze the world where it stands' until it passes. I know, utterly impossible. And I know the umpteen reasons for that too. Governments have to plan for mitigation & dealing with the massive dislocations that WILL occur with a bad pandemic of flu. Individuals & families have to decide if they have the cojones to sit tight for as long as it takes - not to mention the resources. Not easy calls to make on any level.

Marburg is at the 100% fatality rate; and the demostrated evidence (so far) demostrates that it can TRAVEL with some what frighenting ease....

What the F*** is Marburg?! More to freak about? :eek:
 

Walrus Whisperer

Hope in chains...
I was at the Post Ofiice on friday and mentioned that I was looking forward to hearing the boxes of chicks chirping in the back that I hear every spring in there. The clerk told me I wouldn't be hearing them anymore. I asked why. He said that airlines will not fly birds anymore. ACK! This does not look good.
:eek:
 

MtnGal

Has No Life - Lives on TB
"So far it has made it into Italy (the person who brought it in was just one person (about 3 days ago) - but last evening Italy anounced the hospitalization of 9 suspected cases!"

I sure hope they have it under control. With all the people in Rome today and all those flying in it could transmit fast.

Death of the Pope and all the prophesies kinda scary!
 

LilRose8

Veteran Member
I hate to mention it, but last week I was warning TBK that I was worried about Marburg escaping. Between this and bird flu and the President signing quarnatine laws, I think we should all re-think our preps and bug out plans.
 

Y2kO

Inactive
Executive orders do not apply to most people. It only applies to "employees of the executive branch," including the military. No executive order ever stood up in court. And they know it. In fact, when they go to court, the Dept. of Justice won't even mention the executive order. They will use other arguments to defend their actions.

However, executive branch employees always follow those executive orders - or they will lose their jobs. And that's more important than doing what is right in any given situation - as we have seen demonstrated. Very few people ever question authority. They just follow orders.
 
Y2kO said:
Executive orders do not apply to most people. It only applies to "employees of the executive branch," including the military. No executive order ever stood up in court. And they know it. In fact, when they go to court, the Dept. of Justice won't even mention the executive order. They will use other arguments to defend their actions.

However, executive branch employees always follow those executive orders - or they will lose their jobs. And that's more important than doing what is right in any given situation - as we have seen demonstrated. Very few people ever question authority. They just follow orders.

If a National Emergency (and quarentine) has been put in place - and one choses to ignor it (because they are not a Fed Employee....

They have chosen an excellent way to get shot; if they fail to obey orders.........
 

CanadaSue

Inactive
Okay, one more short errand to run

then I gotta re-examine this whole Marburg scenario - this is NOT the Murburg I 'know'. Doesn't mean doom but it's worth looking at again.

Marburg traditionally has a death rate of about 25%. This current rate of death is so far over that - something is odd. Gimme a few - need milk...
 

gisgaia

Veteran Member
Connect the Dots ... between the lines

As some of you long-time members are aware, I worked in the Health Care System for many years and held some high-level positions during my career. And naturally, there are friendships & contacts with many coworkers & acquaintances that still work within the system. Please read my opinions and consider these things very carefully.

The timing of this specific Executive Order is mindblowing from my own perspective, coming out as it did just within the past 48 hours. I feel that this order issued by Bush, just yesterday April 1st, could be a huge CLUE about the true state of things going on ... things that are likely going on behind the scenes but not YET being publicized for obvious reasons. Not only in other parts of the world but even in the USA.

Some might ask, what reasons could those be? Well, think about what we're dealing with: Bird Flu and Marburg (Angola's "Ebola-like" illness) -- both are currently showing to be very high mortality viruses = killing most infected victims. And both are apparently very contagious & reportedly being spread to caretakers & workers caring for the victims.

So it seems logical that if the public is going to be officially informed about any significant “deadly illness” outbreaks taking place in their own regions, then measures must be put FULLY into place before there is OFFICIAL acknowledgement of the presence of such diseases in a given country. And most of us already know that any large scale outbreaks will require that extreme measures be implemented, including mil authorization to "enforce" both quarantine & protective isolation measures.

Go review both Patriot Acts, about events that threaten "national security" etc.
I think that anyone who has studied much about exec orders, martial law, etc, knows that this latest exec order wasn't really needed as such orders & quarantine capabilities had already been put into place several years ago by Clinton. I recall previous tb2k discussions about quarantine & executive orders, seems like a lot took place during the post 9-11 Anthrax scare of 2001.

But,,, it just might be, that right now there is NOW an urgent need for the quarantine information to begin circulating IMMEDIATELY in the media & more importantly, the public mind… think on that, carefully. So, looks like quickest route to do this was to just reissue this order as if new, coming from the highest office in the land and clearly naming the identified problem with hint of other things, not named.

Most people, outside of this group, do not have any idea of what such a mandated quarantine will actually involve & what can take place in lightning speed,,, that lives can be completely turned upside down in the blink of an eye, maybe never to return to normal again! Best example I can think of is all those survivors still impacted by the EQ & Tsunami of se Asia from December 26th. Widespread outbreaks of these illnesses have the potential to be even more devastating than that catastrophe. I am saying this as serious as possible.

IMHO, there have been some outbreaks of illness that seem suspicious recently. One that comes to mind right away is what was first called the "mystery illness" in Florida, a group of healthy children that were supposedly sickened by a trip to a petting zoo & exposure to contaminated animals. My understanding is that the first 7 children, at about at the same time, all developed bloody diarrhea then hemolytic anemia, leading to subsequent kidney failure with diagnosis of Hemolytic Uremic Syndrome. I think the latest count is 25 now including a few adults & other children that did not go to a petting zoo. And yes, I know all about the media releases & CDC reports that this outbreak is suspected to be caused by exposure to E. Coli 0157:H7 … But I also know, too well, how cover operations are mandated & utilized in all matters of national security. And it doesn’t take a rocket scientist to see how the media reports of initial symptoms in these children seemed remarkably similar to the reports of Angolan children with “Ebola-like” illnesses occurring during the same exact time period.

It would seem possible that if killer epidemics of contagious illness begin occurring in modern nation like USA or Canada, then word will get out fairly quickly with rapid communications among people, like cell phone & internet. And when such information gets in circulation, it can be like Pandora's Box & lead to major problems developing in a hurry as people start realizing what's really going on. Also take into consideration how modern society has been structured with the majority of the population living in congested cities. And most people living in cities are very much dependent on smoothly functioning support systems for their most basic needs. There must be continuous services, like purified water, power, gasoline, daily food deliveries to stores, open food establishments, working communications, adequate law enforcement, etc. And don't forget the modern expectation of an easily accessible & available health care system for all health crisis situations, especially when faced with emergency life/death situations. Without these all working in unison, there can be a domino effect & ensuing chaos. Oh, also factor in the "dog eat dog" mentality… the emphasis of rewarding the winner that survives by being the meanest, fittest, or trickiest. No promotion or rewards for love, compassion, forgiveness, or considering the welfare of others whatsoever!

Remember the Bioattack Series on ABC news ... seems like that was back around 1999? I vaguely recall the series and how they showed what would happen during a lethal epidemic such as a terrorist bioattack. That urban support systems could easily grind to a halt due to several reasons. That workers trying to maintain their posts could become sick and unable to function, leading to lack of essential services. Also that people would likely flee cities and head for the outlying, rural areas, especially as the news became “real.” That there was panic to avoid exposures and find sources of food/ water/ shelter outside of the impacted areas. I recall from training as a Red Cross disaster coordinator to always assume there will be no gasoline and keep car on full always, plus stock up in safe containers & correct storage. They said families should have an evacuation plan in place with bins ready to go -- i think refuge should be far out in case of airborne organisms, like 100 miles away from any large city. I have read that governments care only about the survival of the system itself and that control over the public is essential in all situations. Any sick or exposed people will spread the disease to unaffected areas and must be contained immediately so travel restrictions with a guarded perimeter will likely be established around any city experiencing a significant outbreak. And when that phase begins, it could certainly turn into an urban warzone, with people in shock and tremendous turmoil, violence, etc.

One thing I have noticed is that over the past couple of years, there have been many warnings that we, humanity, are entering the time of prophecied tribulation in this world. So I try to gather information, discern the facts, contemplate, pray and seek guidance at this critical time. I think it is helpful to review the bigger picture of recent events – like the recent news in media about cosmic rays hitting earth, sorcha faal's warnings, even the rumors of planet x and killer comets, etc. I found proof from one of Sorcha Faal's articles that NASA really has been studying the cause-effect relationship between cycles of increased cosmic ray activity and outbreaks of killer pandemics.

See this abstract from NASA's Astrophysics Archives at Harvard:

http://adsabs.harvard.edu/cgi-bin/nph-bib_query?bibcode=1985ICRC....5..525Y&db_key=AST

Title: Using the information of cosmic rays to predict influence epidemic
(NOTE: ? influence = typo & word should be "INFLUENZA" instead?)
Authors: Yu, Z. D.
Affiliation: Hubei Research Inst. of Environmental Protection, Wuhan (China).
Journal: In NASA. Goddard Space Flight Center 19th Intern. Cosmic Ray Conf., Vol. 5 p 525-528 (SEE N85-34991 23-93)
Publication Date: 08/1985
Category: Space Radiation
Origin: STI
NASA/STI Keywords: COSMIC RAY SHOWERS, EPIDEMIOLOGY, INFLUENZA, SOLAR RADIATION, SUNSPOTS, ULTRAVIOLET RADIATION, VIRUSES, ANTIGENS, INFECTIOUS DISEASES, PREDICTIONS, RESPIRATORY DISEASES
Bibliographic Code: 1985ICRC....5..525Y

Abstract:
A correlation between the incidence of influenza pandemics and increased cosmic ray activity is made. A correlation is also made between the occurrence of these pandemics and the appearance of bright novae, e.g., Nova Eta Car. Four indices based on increased cosmic ray activity and novae are proposed to predict future influenza pandemics and viral antigenic shifts.

--------------------------

Also feel it is important to consider everything that’s been taking front place in the mainstream news, especially in past couple of weeks. Especially how events have occurred (natural or contrived?) in such a way to direct the public attention to sickness or infirmity, to religion issues, to the basics of crucial life-death matters such as giving of food or water to those in "hopeless" situations. Now apply this insight to the potential of a massive outbreak of "hopeless" incurable illness, like Bird Flu &/or Marburg-Ebola. Did anyone notice how the media banners on CNN etc continuously blared "HOPELESS - NEAR DEATH" about the Pope's condition yesterday, going on for 24 hours after he had been "accidentally" reported dead by the Italian media? And interesting that those banners were running at same time this new Executive Order was issued, but not really announced as major news due to continuous coverage of the Pope’s condition & related interviews. So it looks like very few people, mostly those that use the internet, even know about this latest Executive Order...

PS: Watching coverage of events since Pope passed away this afternoon, I have been noticing that many of the people in Rome (priests, etc) plus news commentators there have been coughing on camera ... sort of seems weird. Anybody else seen this?

Blessings and Prayers for all beings, for the upliftment of humanity and all creation
 
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LilRose8

Veteran Member
You know, with all the world wide unrest, scary weather, wars, famines, political upheaval and strife going on now.........THIS ONE THING has the highest sphincter factor for me. I don't know why, but for some reason, these bugs are a signal to me that bad things are just around the corner.
 

LilRose8

Veteran Member
gisgaia said:
As some of you long-time members are aware, I worked in the Health Care System for many years and held some high-level positions during my career. And naturally, there are friendships & contacts with many coworkers & acquaintances that still work within the system. Please read my opinions and consider these things very carefully.

The timing of this specific Executive Order is mindblowing from my own perspective, coming out as it did just within the past 48 hours. I feel that this order issued by Bush, just yesterday April 1st, could be a huge CLUE about the true state of things going on ... things that are likely going on behind the scenes but not YET being publicized for obvious reasons. Not only in other parts of the world but even in the USA.

Some might ask, what reasons could those be? Well, think about what we're dealing with: Bird Flu and Marburg (Angola's "Ebola-like" illness) -- both are currently showing to be very high mortality viruses = killing most infected victims. And both are apparently very contagious & reportedly being spread to caretakers & workers caring for the victims.

So it seems logical that if the public is going to be officially informed about any significant “deadly illness” outbreaks taking place in their own regions, then measures must be put FULLY into place before there is OFFICIAL acknowledgement of the presence of such diseases in a given country. And most of us already know that any large scale outbreaks will require that extreme measures be implemented, including mil authorization to "enforce" both quarantine & protective isolation measures.

Go review both Patriot Acts, about events that threaten "national security" etc.
I think that anyone who has studied much about exec orders, martial law, etc, knows that this latest exec order wasn't really needed as such orders & quarantine capabilities had already been put into place several years ago by Clinton. I recall previous tb2k discussions about quarantine & executive orders, seems like a lot took place during the post 9-11 Anthrax scare of 2001.

But,,, it just might be, that right now there is NOW an urgent need for the quarantine information to begin circulating IMMEDIATELY in the media & more importantly, the public mind… think on that, carefully. So, looks like quickest route to do this was to just reissue this order as if new, coming from the highest office in the land and clearly naming the identified problem with hint of other things, not named.

Most people, outside of this group, do not have any idea of what such a mandated quarantine will actually involve & what can take place in lightning speed,,, that lives can be completely turned upside down in the blink of an eye, maybe never to return to normal again! Best example I can think of is all those survivors still impacted by the EQ & Tsunami of se Asia from December 26th. Widespread outbreaks of these illnesses have the potential to be even more devastating than that catastrophe. I am saying this as serious as possible.

IMHO, there have been some outbreaks of illness that seem suspicious recently. One that comes to mind right away is what was first called the "mystery illness" in Florida, a group of healthy children that were supposedly sickened by a trip to a petting zoo & exposure to contaminated animals. My understanding is that the first 7 children, at about at the same time, all developed bloody diarrhea then hemolytic anemia, leading to subsequent kidney failure with diagnosis of Hemolytic Uremic Syndrome. I think the latest count is 25 now including a few adults & other children that did not go to a petting zoo. And yes, I know all about the media releases & CDC reports that this outbreak is suspected to be caused by exposure to E. Coli 0157:H7 … But I also know, too well, how cover operations are mandated & utilized in all matters of national security. And it doesn’t take a rocket scientist to see how the media reports of initial symptoms in these children seemed remarkably similar to the reports of Angolan children with “Ebola-like” illnesses occurring during the same exact time period.

It would seem possible that if killer epidemics of contagious illness begin occurring in modern nation like USA or Canada, then word will get out fairly quickly with rapid communications among people, like cell phone & internet. And when such information gets in circulation, it can be like Pandora's Box & lead to major problems developing in a hurry as people start realizing what's really going on. Also take into consideration how modern society has been structured with the majority of the population living in congested cities. And most people living in cities are very much dependent on smoothly functioning support systems for their most basic needs. There must be continuous services, like purified water, power, gasoline, daily food deliveries to stores, open food establishments, working communications, adequate law enforcement, etc. And don't forget the modern expectation of an easily accessible & available health care system for all health crisis situations, especially when faced with emergency life/death situations. Without these all working in unison, there can be a domino effect & ensuing chaos. Oh, also factor in the "dog eat dog" mentality… the emphasis of rewarding the winner that survives by being the meanest, fittest, or trickiest. No promotion or rewards for love, compassion, forgiveness, or considering the welfare of others whatsoever!

Remember the Bioattack Series on ABC news ... seems like that was back around 1999? I vaguely recall the series and how they showed what would happen during a lethal epidemic such as a terrorist bioattack. That urban support systems could easily grind to a halt due to several reasons. That workers trying to maintain their posts could become sick and unable to function, leading to lack of essential services. Also that people would likely flee cities and head for the outlying, rural areas, especially as the news became “real.” That there was panic to avoid exposures and find sources of food/ water/ shelter outside of the impacted areas. I recall from training as a Red Cross disaster coordinator to always assume there will be no gasoline and keep car on full always, plus stock up in safe containers & correct storage. They said families should have an evacuation plan in place with bins ready to go -- i think refuge should be far out in case of airborne organisms, like 100 miles away from any large city. I have read that governments care only about the survival of the system itself and that control over the public is essential in all situations. Any sick or exposed people will spread the disease to unaffected areas and must be contained immediately so travel restrictions with a guarded perimeter will likely be established around any city experiencing a significant outbreak. And when that phase begins, it could certainly turn into an urban warzone, with people in shock and tremendous turmoil, violence, etc.

One thing I have noticed is that over the past couple of years, there have been many warnings that we, humanity, are entering the time of prophecied tribulation in this world. So I try to gather information, discern the facts, contemplate, pray and seek guidance at this critical time. I think it is helpful to review the bigger picture of recent events – like the recent news in media about cosmic rays hitting earth, sorcha faal's warnings, even the rumors of planet x and killer comets, etc. I found proof from one of Sorcha Faal's articles that NASA really has been studying the cause-effect relationship between cycles of increased cosmic ray activity and outbreaks of killer pandemics.

See this abstract from NASA's Astrophysics Archives at Harvard:

http://adsabs.harvard.edu/cgi-bin/nph-bib_query?bibcode=1985ICRC....5..525Y&db_key=AST

Title: Using the information of cosmic rays to predict influence epidemic
(NOTE: ? influence = typo & word should be "INFLUENZA" instead?)
Authors: Yu, Z. D.
Affiliation: Hubei Research Inst. of Environmental Protection, Wuhan (China).
Journal: In NASA. Goddard Space Flight Center 19th Intern. Cosmic Ray Conf., Vol. 5 p 525-528 (SEE N85-34991 23-93)
Publication Date: 08/1985
Category: Space Radiation
Origin: STI
NASA/STI Keywords: COSMIC RAY SHOWERS, EPIDEMIOLOGY, INFLUENZA, SOLAR RADIATION, SUNSPOTS, ULTRAVIOLET RADIATION, VIRUSES, ANTIGENS, INFECTIOUS DISEASES, PREDICTIONS, RESPIRATORY DISEASES
Bibliographic Code: 1985ICRC....5..525Y

Abstract:
A correlation between the incidence of influenza pandemics and increased cosmic ray activity is made. A correlation is also made between the occurrence of these pandemics and the appearance of bright novae, e.g., Nova Eta Car. Four indices based on increased cosmic ray activity and novae are proposed to predict future influenza pandemics and viral antigenic shifts.

--------------------------

Also feel it is important to consider everything that’s been taking front place in the mainstream news, especially in past couple of weeks. Especially how events have occurred (natural or contrived?) in such a way to direct the public attention to sickness or infirmity, to religion issues, to the basics of crucial life-death matters such as giving of food or water to those in "hopeless" situations. Now apply this insight to the potential of a massive outbreak of "hopeless" incurable illness, like Bird Flu &/or Marburg-Ebola. Did anyone notice how the media banners on CNN etc continuously blared "HOPELESS - NEAR DEATH" about the Pope's condition yesterday, going on for 24 hours after he had been "accidentally" reported dead by the Italian media? And interesting that those banners were running at same time this new Executive Order was issued, but not really announced as major news due to continuous coverage of the Pope’s condition & related interviews. So it looks like very few people, mostly those that use the internet, even know about this latest Executive Order...

PS: Watching coverage of events since Pope passed away this afternoon, I have been noticing that many of the people in Rome (priests, etc) plus news commentators there have been coughing on camera ... sort of seems weird. Anybody else seen this?

Blessings and Prayers for all beings, for the upliftment of humanity and all creation


Gisgaia, I would like to use your contribution to warn friends and family of this problem. Do I have your permission to share this with others? Thanks in advance.
 

msswv123

Veteran Member
"And naturally, there are friendships & contacts with many coworkers & acquaintances that still work within the system. Please read my opinions and consider these things very carefully"



If that says what I think it says~...gotcha!! and thanks for the heads up~...blessings T
 

Kim99

Veteran Member
Gisgaia, wow! I really have the goosebumps now. Thank you so much for your post. Do you have any idea for a timeline of how long it will be, based on what you know so far, before things go public and get really bad?

Kim
 

Faith

Veteran Member
Gisgaia, thanks for the heads up!

Yes, I've also noticed how many of the people on the news are coughing.
 

CanadaSue

Inactive
Rome...

is the place to watch. They're expecting 2 million visitors in the next few weeks & can have extremely variable springs, much as we know. Those coming to mourn & to pray will be distaught to some degree, may be suffering jet lag & will be bringing their illnesses with them. I fully expect their recent abatement of influenza to 'unabate' given the circumstances. Here's what the European Influenza Surveillence System had to say about Italy last week:

http://dev.eiss.org/cgi-files/bulletin_v2.cgi?display=1&code=147&bulletin=147


***Italy
Clinical influenza activity is declining. Among the influenza viruses detected during this week, B viruses predominated widely. In general, children aged 0-4 and 5-14 are most affected by influenza.***

Throughout most of Europe & indeed most of North America, flu season is waning. That 'don't mean it's over' & interestingly, B strain flu has been seen more frequently. This year's 2 B lineage flus have proven tough. One is covered in the vax, the other one not but in some countries, it was the dominant strain & nasty.

I don't know what's going on in Florida - it may be E. coli or something else. But if they even think of thinking it's a filovirus, NOBODY is getting near those cases. They'll be as close to 'slammered' as is humanly possible with minimal contact with anyone outside absolutely necessary staff. And yes, with the filos, that would include family.

Question: Are the CDC down there in other than their normal uberdiscrete fashion? If so, that's a reason to pause. Something else to consider with this strain of E. coli - it's still basically emerging in humans & may be taking some interesting twists. The formulation of its toxins may be altering or the basic bacteria itself may be undergoing change.

I do feel there's something to be said for the radiation - mutation link in pathogens. There's certainly a lot of coincidental connection but whether it's causal... well, it could be.

You folks, as Canada are in no way prepared for the REAL quarantine measures which would have to be taken. It would be a real mess. Not quarantining extensively would mean possibly severe losses due to a pandemic or badly virulent outbreak but quarantine measures themselves could take a very high toll, especially among the poor & other vulnerable.

Curioser & curioser. Goint to see what my local health care connections have to say or what they know & are willing to talk about. Our health care system went kind of 'down' for over a month this winter with no reason given & to my astonishmnent, NOBODY in the local media questioned why the sudden crisis.
 

Sharon

Inactive
Kim99 said:
Gisgaia, wow! I really have the goosebumps now. Thank you so much for your post. Do you have any idea for a timeline of how long it will be, based on what you know so far, before things go public and get really bad?

Kim

Yes, please, a timeline would be so beneficial for DH and I. We're trying to gut and refinish a home 750 miles away...it'll take a good year to get it ready to move in. All our resources (money, time, etc.) are going into this. Do we have time?

If not, we'll regroup and continue our preps (as we have for 5 years now) and stay put.

If you can let me know. If you need to PM me, please do. Any suggestive time schedule would be greatly appreciated!
 

gisgaia

Veteran Member
Checking In

I apologize for the delay in replying due to being real sick with strange respiratory illness past several days. And this sickness itself seemed really weird - will give details at bottom of this reply. I feel that the timing of Bush’s Executive Order coming out when it did last Friday was a divine sign of confirmation.

Lil Rose & all, no problem to send out this info as I can't verify it anyhow, just hearsay. But when we all work together as a team, just maybe we can help one another and be of some benefit.

Regarding timeline on Bird Flu: All we have to go on are “rumors” that it’s already spreading to other countries that are not yet being named in media. There is no info on regions, how many cases or any details whatsoever. As with everything, it is almost always trickled down info from the ones that work inside or know somebody ... sometimes it can even come from top brass in agencies or facilities. Lots of people have connections in all sorts of ways - friends, relatives, coworkers, neighbors.

For example, it can go like this – making up a scenario: A popular heart surgeon goes to play golf with his buddies. He hears the 'hot' info from his good friend that’s a VIP Medical Professor at local Medical School so he trusts his source. The professor’s wife happens to be also be a doctor at the county hospital, perhaps in the next city, where there is a 'hot' case being kept hushed up (but reality is that most of the staff doctors know all about it anyhow cause there's always gossip in the private dining room - besides, they are scared to death that this bug is in the house). So then the heart surgeon, who is genuinely worried, instructs his wife to load up on preps and go prepare their vacation home in Rocky Mountains, no delay. And of course, she demands to know the reason why he is insisting she do this RIGHT NOW when she has a full social calendar! So he doesn’t have much choice but to tell about the "hot' case if he wants her cooperation & the lives of his children are at stake! She hears and feels she absolutely must tell her best friends down at the Junior league club so their children won’t get sick and die from this awful disease. Suddenly all these elite wives are stressing with so much to do and they in turn are having their paid help out running errands & helping with buying & loading preps like bulk food, etc. The hired help isn’t stupid and figures out something’s up, (and many rich folks value their personal care staff they come to depend on & will warn them anyhow). So then the ordinary folks start warning their relatives & friends of what’s coming and word gets out pretty quick, although the story will be much different by then. So it’s like a natural trickle down effect. There are still many people of good heart and they have a conscience that forces them to warn those they really care about in situations of life & death danger,,, it’s what makes us “human” in the cosmic scheme of things.

So how people deal with something happening like this is going to be a very individualized thing. Maybe it won't really become an issue and quietly die out before becoming the threat we dread. Just like with Y2K or dealing with the threats of nuke attacks during the cold war of 50's & 60's.... Everyone will be different with varying needs and even beliefs play a role. It is a totally different perspective to be a single person versus married with young children. Also those that are elderly or caregivers of infirm, etc. Also must consider finances, living arrangements, location, lifestyle etc. Some people have huge $ resources and can afford to have a second home in the country or mountains. Others are working 2 jobs and live in a small apartment smack dab in the heart of some big city and don’t have time to even think about the “what ifs” of such a scenario.

Sharon, I have no idea of how to advise you re timing. If your place is really in the boondocks, hundreds of miles from major cities or towns, has good ground water source, like a well and even better, a windmill that works, and a structure to use as a shelter, then it might be smart to head out if things go Code Red for your area.. You could even set up tents inside the house. You could have all your camping stuff ready to go now, just in case there is a worst case situation and you feel it better to head out than risk a city area. Like having FEMA round up your family into some sort of segregated quarantine camps for city dwellers. I recall in past years here on tb2k, much of the thinking - by better minds than mine – about these type matters was that rural people would be less likely to be forced into quarantine camps, etc. And that such camps might be also instituted for control purposes in cities where people are so dependent on the system and there could be major problems. Only you are going to know what is best for your situation. I may be a bit prejudiced since my life was a Texas ranch upbringing and my world is west Texas which is pretty tough & rugged. Also I have a friend that has small parcels of acres for sale [non-commercial] in wilderness area of rural mountains in Ozarks of Arkansas if anyone would like to set up a camping cabin, vacation home or just have a private camping spot. Just send a pm for info.

Everyone, be sure you think about WATER sources ,,, and if in the country, don’t expect to have any working electricity in a crisis to run your well pump or any phones or any 9-11 to come rescue you. Don't expect to be able to go into to town for food, meds or supplies if things get "bad!"You must survive off the land & what you got if there are major outbreaks. Also remember any surface water (lake, pond, stream, or open, dug well) could become contaminated by airborne organisms, just like in a bcw attack. At least look into buying an emergency filter system, water treatment supplies, etc - check survival prep boards.

I feel that we just can’t go wrong by doing same preps & precautions as if there is a warning of a pending BCW attack. IMHO, if one of these killer agents infects your children and they end up dying, then the outcome in your personal world will be same effect as if was a full-scale Bioattack or WMD, irregardless. Lots will depend on what actually happens once there is public acknowledgement. IMHO, the ordinary people have no way of knowing the truth about anything when it comes down to it, so it will sort of be like playing Russian roulette. There are all sorts of variables to factor in and we have no idea of the real situation behind what is going on and not very likely that we will be told the truth about things by the elite ptb that are under control of the new world order bunch.

It is well known that many high-level insiders have totally set up & equipped, secure bug-out shelters ready to go, very isolated & self-contained. Many of them have had warnings from colleagues or were privy to classified information and knew well in advance that things were expected to go down the tubes. Don’t assume that heading for the hills with no destination is a good idea… many rural folks are well prepared to defend their territory from invading hordes in case of a big panic.

Some folks have a vacation cabin, farm, or RV-travel trailer for camping. Many people also have close relatives or friends that live in rural areas. But remember, just showing up with expectations of shelter during a major crisis situation may not be very smart ... you might not be welcome and be told to move on down the road. So you best make some phone calls and set up a plan now with the people you would trust & want to work with during a true survival situation. Find out where you would be welcome and what you are expected to bring, etc. Like camping gear including tent, food, work tools, etc and if you can set up some bins there now, just in case. Some might like you to pitch in some work +/or a bit of money too, ahead of when there might be a need.

My basic hunch is to "immediately" get basic preps done, to have your evacuation or shelter-in-place strategies already set up and keep very informed, daily, about what’s really going on. I assume that most of you here realize that you must watch the running banners at bottom of MMS newscasts now for any "real" reports, latest info about disasters, disease outbreaks, suspicious deaths, etc. Even CNN's Headline news is starting to go the same talk show route and just doing brief headline updates in the evenings. I think it smart to monitor as many internet information sources as possible, even crazy boards like glp could end up saving your family's life if you are lucky and see a thread with info that you can corroborate from other sources & then get out of town before things start falling apart. BTW, speaking of glp, there is a very interesting 'warning' thread of 3 pages that some might feel is worth monitoring there – could be hoax but then who knows??? Imo, worth keeping an eye out on all sorts of sources for possible heads up since we are facing some really bad bugs heading our way!

[ MARBURG DISEASE and ANTHRAX in America
http://www.godlikeproductions.com/bbs/message.php?message=93793
- ALERT LEVEL: RED ]

Last: The sickness that hit me at start of weekend, around Friday. Was outdoors – it was cloudy all day – no rain - so don’t know if there was chemtrails spraying taking place above clouds or not. While outdoors, about 5pm, I had a very sudden onset of burning throat, sinus membranes and lungs too, like a scratchy, irritated feeling starting. It was very SUDDEN like I had inhaled something caustic. Then as evening progressed, it got much worse and terrible sneezing started & lasted hours! All those mucosa areas swelled up very quickly and that night, the burning feeling became so intense from sinuses to deep lungs (all mucosa) that there was no way to sleep at all. I felt very ill by the next morning, lungs felt tight like asthma attack. No fever at all but weak, dizzy, strange aches in joints but not like normal flu syndrome. Strange sharp stomach pains but no GI symptoms. By Saturday night, my lungs hurt BAD, like horses had kicked me in the chest all over, so sore that I could hardly stand to move around. Like how people describe when they have been in bad car wreck …but I had not had any coughing at all or sinus drainage. I have never had my chest wall hurt like that. But I was not coughing, just that burning feeling and the swelling. Sunday I started getting hoarse but no stridor or croup sounds. Then Sunday evening I had some productive coughing but nothing major. Monday the burning feeling started going away and then today I am much better. But I never had fever nor was it like any sort of cold virus I've had before. Am hearing from several people of bad strep throat cases around here but this was not that all. My intuition is that it was something I inhaled that caused this...
 

Kim99

Veteran Member
gisgaia, thank you so much for your reply. I'm so glad there are people like you posting on this board. So the people you know, who are still in the medical profession are hearing this thing is more widespread than is being reported?

Glad to hear you're feeling better. Kim
 

LMonty911

Inactive
my paranoid little doomer brain has started to wonder about this "super Marburg".

I beleive its one of the viruses that some countries have been rumored to be working with in their bioweapons research. This disease seems to have significantly changed- Ive read speculation that its acting more like Ebola, then Marburg- only its got an even higher death rate than Ebola's 88% or so.

Could this be an escaped lab bioweapon? Or a "test"? If the black hats wanted to test it, makes sense to release it first in an enviorment that seems "natural " for it, so its presence wouldnt arouse suspicion. Before using it in a real "attack".

Darn, just sat on my tin-foil hat-time to go make another one!:jstr:

Way too much weird stuff going on.
 

Fuzzychick

Membership Revoked
LMonty911 said:
my paranoid little doomer brain has started to wonder about this "super Marburg".

I beleive its one of the viruses that some countries have been rumored to be working with in their bioweapons research. This disease seems to have significantly changed- Ive read speculation that its acting more like Ebola, then Marburg- only its got an even higher death rate than Ebola's 88% or so.

Could this be an escaped lab bioweapon? Or a "test"? If the black hats wanted to test it, makes sense to release it first in an enviorment that seems "natural " for it, so its presence wouldnt arouse suspicion. Before using it in a real "attack".

Darn, just sat on my tin-foil hat-time to go make another one!:jstr:

Way too much weird stuff going on.
:eek:
 
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