[TERROR] ACSA Reporting US Faces an Imminent Nuclear Threat

CGTech

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Mods, feel free to move this to terrorist forum if required.





Saturday, November 13, 2004

ACSA Reporting US Faces an Imminent Nuclear Threat
Source: ACSA | 10:32:19 AM EST


Please note we fought for a few hours deciding whether or not to report this on our website, simply because the evidence cannot be corroborated and confirmed. However, because we do not believe in hiding or suppressing any information, no matter how far out there they are, we will post the alert in its entirety. Please know that TrackingTerrorism is in no way affiliated with ACSA and the views of this article do not necessarily express the views of our analysts.



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CONFIRMATION OF ACSA WARNINGS REGARDING A NUCLEAR BOMB: THE DEVICE BEING SOUGHT BY THE DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND SECURITY AND THE DOD IS A FORMER USSR "LARGE SUITCASE" BOMB IN THE POSSESSION OF PAKISTAN INTELLIGENCE OPERATIVES. IT IS REPORTEDLY IN THE PROCESS OF BEING TRANSFERRED TO AL QAEDA FOR USE AGAINST THE US MAINLAND. THIS IS THE THREAT THAT WAS VOICED BY BIN LADEN, ASSAM THE AMERICAN AND THE ANSAR AL MASRI BRIGADE, SAYS THE ACSA.

ACSA has received confirmation of it's warnings to the General Public in November 2004 and since December 2003, that a nuclear device, a suitcase sized unit secreted on the Turkish / Syrian border for several years by Pakistan's ISI, has been readied for use against the United States by Pakistan. ACSA learned of it's alleged existence in 2002 and confirmed it from a number of sources in and outside of the USA in 2003, learning of the plot regarding it's possible deployment against the US in late 2003. (Intelligence gathering was complicated by ongoing efforts by Saddam Hussein, not wishing to be upstaged, to acquire nuclear materials for his own attack on the USA, which effort he was engaged in extensively between 1999 and 2003 culminating in deals behind the scenes necessitating the US invasion of Iraq.) ACSA has learned that Pakistan's leadership intends to give the bomb to Al Qaeda "very soon" so it may convey it to a target near Washington, DC or NYC, for detonation within the next three months, perhaps during the Inaugural Ceremonies January 25, 2005 for President re-Elect George W. Bush. ACSA is seeking information to make it possible to zero in on it's actual current whereabouts so it can be confiscated by military authorities and the plotters captured. We have narrowed it's location to two or three very small plots of real estate in Central Asia and the Middle East, with an outside possibility it has already made it's way into the USA.

The device started life as a 3-10 Kiloton "large suitcase" bomb inside the former USSR. It was stolen during the Russian - Afghan conflict by Pakistani operatives, for the purposes of intended use against Russian Military invaders in Afghanistan. It was relocated to keep it's existence a secret when the USA became more prominent in the Afghan conflict against the former Soviet Union. Two to Three years ago, after 9/11, it was refurbished by AQ Khan of Pakistan with an enhanced Enriched Uranium-235 primer borrowing from a trichron design, and extensive repair rendered to it's tiny Plutonium-239 core, so as to insure that it will function properly. It was then transferred to ISI custody in Turkish/Syria, where it has been kept in deep hiding. One year ago, it began it's movement to it's present staging area where a special Al Qaeda suicide team has been staged for transport and detonation. A special Pakistani ISI unit in direct control of Al Qaeda, whose job it is is to lead the paper intelligence trail back to Osamma Bin Laden for the purposes of sheltering Pakistan, has been training these suicide bombers who are going to be identified after the detonation, and called "The Suicide Brigade of Holy Martyrs of the Dome of the Rock". A backup plan to move the bomb to Israel was discarded for fear that it's use in Jerusalem or other location will desecrate "holy Muslim ground". America is considered an infidel state and other than mosques and Muslims living here, is believed to have little religious significance, thereby making it "open territory" for Islamist terrorism.

ACSA had updated warning the USA of a possible such nuclear bomb or dirty bomb seeking a way to enter the USA on November 1, 2004 (Rumors of primitive or dirty nuclear weapon trying to enter the USA). We first learned of the plot back in December, 2003. Our many computer, telecom and electronics industry members and scientists from around the world have been monitoring and gathering bits and pieces of information. We have learned that the "Suicide Brigade of Holy Martyrs of the Dome of the Rock" is being very carefully trained to enter the USA in cargo or onboard a seagoing vessel that will not be scrutinized extensively, perhaps entering the port of Everglades, Florida or Baltimore, Maryland. When it reaches American soil with the Nuclear Weapon, which has been code named "The Avenging Jihn", it will then be decided whether to use it against the US Capitol area or Wall Street in NYC, considered the more likely target.

For example, a 3-10 Kiloton nuke against Wall Street would very capably take out every major financial institution in the Wall Street area, driving our economy into depression and chaos, while undermining every one of the World's markets, taking down most of the nations of the world and their businesses, leaving America's financial centers in utter chaos. Al Qaeda intends to place the bomb in the trunk of an innocuous vehicle such as a car or cab, and drive it into the target area. The vehicle will be rigged with a failsafe device and detonation initiator. Two Al Qaeda commandoes will operate the device, several other will be leaving claims regarding having detonated it, and will have committed ritual suicide in a flat which has been secured, which will also bear messages to their family and other propaganda materials hoped to instigate further Islamist Terror devotees.

Just as we were preparing this confirmation report, the Matt Drudge Report and several other news publications issued their own warnings that Osamma Bin Laden (named for Usamah, who under the Caliph Hadrat Abu Bakr, led the Muslims on an expedition against Syria in 632 AD) has received cleric approval for use of Nuclear Weapons against America. ACSA has proposed that clerics who issue such approvals be discredited, defrocked, and face equal punishment if their minion engages in the acts they have approved.

Here is the DRUDGE REPORT version of the story regarding Bin Laden recently released by former CIA agent Michael Scheuer:



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FORMER HEAD OF CIA'S OSAMA BIN LADEN UNIT SAYS THE QAEDA LEADER HAS SECURED RELIGIOUS APPROVAL TO USE A NUCLEAR BOMB AGAINST AMERICANS
Fri Nov 12 2004 12:02:34 ET

Osama bin Laden now has religious approval to use a nuclear device against Americans, says the former head of the CIA unit charged with tracking down the Saudi terrorist. The former agent, Michael Scheuer, speaks to Steve Kroft in his first television interview without disguise to be broadcast on 60 MINUTES Sunday, Nov. 14 (7:00-8:00 PM, ET/PT) on the CBS Television Network.

Scheuer was until recently known as the "anonymous" author of two books critical of the West's response to bin Laden and al Qaeda, the most recent of which is titled Imperial Hubris: Why the West is Losing the War on Terror. No one in the West knows more about the Qaeda leader than Scheuer, who has tracked him since the mid-1980s. The CIA allowed him to write the books provided he remain anonymous, but now is allowing him to reveal himself for the first time on Sunday's broadcast; he formally leaves the Agency today (12).

Even if bin Laden had a nuclear weapon, he probably wouldn't have used it for a lack of proper religious authority - authority he has now. "[Bin Laden] secured from a Saudi sheik...a rather long treatise on the possibility of using nuclear weapons against the Americans," says Scheuer. "[The treatise] found that he was perfectly within his rights to use them. Muslims argue that the United States is responsible for millions of dead Muslims around the world, so reciprocity would mean you could kill millions of Americans," Scheuer tells Kroft.

Scheuer says bin Laden was criticized by some Muslims for the 9/11 attack because he killed so many people without enough warning and before offering to help convert them to Islam. But now bin Laden has addressed the American people and given fair warning. "They're intention is to end the war as soon as they can and to ratchet up the pain for the Americans until we get out of their region....If they acquire the weapon, they will use it, whether it's chemical, biological or some sort of nuclear weapon," says Scheuer.

As the head of the CIA unit charged with tracking bin Laden from 1996 to 1999, Scheuer says he never had enough people to do the job right. He blames former CIA Director George Tenet. "One of the questions that should have been asked of Mr. Tenet was why were there always enough people for the public relations office, for the academic outreach office, for the diversity and multi-cultural office? All those things are admirable and necessary but none of them are protecting the American people from a foreign threat," says Scheuer.

And the threat posed by bin Laden is also underestimated, says Scheuer. "I think our leaders over the last decade have done the American people a disservice...continuing to characterize Osama bin Laden as a thug, as a gangster," he says. "Until we respect him, sir, we are going to die in numbers that are probably unnecessary, yes. He's a very, very talented man and a very worthy opponent," he tells Kroft.

Until today (12), Scheuer was a senior official in the CIA's counter terrorism unit and a special advisor to the head of the agency's bin Laden unit.

Developing...

from: THE DRUDGE REPORT

http://www.trackingterrorism.com/Default.asp?dismode=article&artid=847

:kk2:
 

Warthog

Tusk Up
It's only a matter of time. Are your food and water preps in order? Are your arms and ammo preps in order?
 

Dosh

Inactive
My friend in Dallas called and told me to read this on Tracking Terrorism.

Why does all of this interesting information only come out on week-ends?????

:eek: :eek: :eek:
 

Tundra Gypsy

Veteran Member
Thanks for keeping this on the main board; everyone needs to be able to read it; even the lurkers. We're all in this together and the more prepared we are, all the better. Tomorrow's a nice day; think I'll get those water barrels filled; pronto. And to the bank I go on Monday to get rid of all those pennies so that I can buy more supplies.
 

Onebyone

Inactive
I'm finding myself bored today so popped into the GLP forum a while ago.

Some guy called minister or something like that said to watch 60 mins tomorrow night as they will be giving a signal which the terrorist will be alerted by to cause the security code color to go up on Monday.

Take it FWIW you know Godlike. I don't think 60 mins knows they are giving the code but the terrorist know what to look for I dunno. The guy wasn't real clear. He said without getting arrested what could one do to notifiy someone if they know of a nuke attack intended for the USA. Could be just someone smoking funny cigs you know.
 

Lone Eagle Woman

Veteran Member
Am not really that surprised with this info for have already
been preparing myself for this very thing. Wouldn't this be
the next step in this escalating terror war. It has surprised me
some that they have not done this as of yet. Thanks for posting
this info. Once this happens then watch out .... all kinds of things
could happen. Hope you are prepped and ready for whatever
happens. Just am happy that am not in any large metro city.
May the Creator have mercy and grace on us.
 

CGTech

Has No Life - Lives on TB
as a bit of possible collaberation to this, note this from terroristwarning.com

TerroristWarning.com Terrorism Headlines 11/12/2004 # 1

[Editors Note: Todays alert is short, but we decided to put it out anyways because the first two articles are important. We've been wondering when this sort of information would finally be made public. Perhaps now more people will finally realize just how real and how grave a threat we face in the War on Terror.
We think it is terribly sad that once again the Department of Homeland Security is apparently aware of a serious threat to the citizens of the United States, but has chosen not to make the threat public. Why are we hearing about this from a recently resigned CIA agent? Does the public not have a right to know? What other information is known to DHS but not being shared with the public?
We would put forth one theory... perhaps Al Qaeda already has a nuclear device on American soil, and perhaps the reason we have not taken Osama into custody is because we are under threat of such a device being detonated if we do. It's just a theory, and I am sure we will get emails calling us alarmist, but we think it is a concept worth considering.]


then the rest of the warnings follow, most of which have already been posted here.

just a "sort of" confirmation from another source, so to speak.
 
I find it hard to take seriously anyone who thinks that the possessive of "it" is "it's". Sorry. Reading that, over and over, the same error, is like constantly having to pick an eyelash out of my eye. If they cannot get a simple thing like that right, are they attentive to more important details?

I have the same reaction to people who pronounce "Realtor" as "Realitor", "nuclear" as "nookyoular", "library" as "libary", and who don't know that the "t" in "often" is silent. Or who deeply, sincerely, believe that the value of pi is 3.

Another one: his name was not Ghandi. It was Gandhi. (He has nothing to do with the African country called Ghana.)

A general request: if you don't know the difference between "comprised" and "composed" try saying "made up of" or don't try anything at all.

Legislatures don't pass statues, sorry. Try "statutes" instead.

Courts render judgments, not judgements. It is probably bad judgement for me to post this reply.

More than one TV? No, you don't have five TV's. You might have five TVs. Deal with it.

Change of topic: while it is interesting to read these unsubstantiated and unsubstantiatable reports, they are not particularly helpful for day to day planning. My viewpoint is the same as ever:

1. Let's all increase our readiness across the board; and

2. Let's not expect any help from the government, neighbors, friends, relatives, or whoever; we are ON OUR OWN.
 

workerbee

* Winter is Coming *
Joseph R. Whaley said:
I find it hard to take seriously anyone who thinks that the possessive of "it" is "it's". Sorry. Reading that, over and over, the same error, is like constantly having to pick an eyelash out of my eye. If they cannot get a simple thing like that right, are they attentive to more important details?

I have the same reaction to people who pronounce "Realtor" as "Realitor", "nuclear" as "nookyoular", "library" as "libary", and who don't know that the "t" in "often" is silent. Or who deeply, sincerely, believe that the value of pi is 3.

Another one: his name was not Ghandi. It was Gandhi. (He has nothing to do with the African country called Ghana.)

A general request: if you don't know the difference between "comprised" and "composed" try saying "made up of" or don't try anything at all.

Legislatures don't pass statues, sorry. Try "statutes" instead.


Courts render judgments, not judgements. It is probably bad judgement for me to post this reply.

More than one TV? No, you don't have five TV's. You might have five TVs. Deal with it.

Change of topic: while it is interesting to read these unsubstantiated and unsubstantiatable reports, they are not particularly helpful for day to day planning. My viewpoint is the same as ever:

1. Let's all increase our readiness across the board; and

2. Let's not expect any help from the government, neighbors, friends, relatives, or whoever; we are ON OUR OWN.

Don't be shy.

Tell us how you really feel.
 

RC

Inactive
More than one TV? No, you don't have five TV's. You might have five TVs. Deal with it.

I'll quibble with this one. Even people with high IQ's ofTen do that. But yes, in general, one loses credibility by making simple usage errors. As my ninth grade English teacher pointed out, most people probably don't care if you can't spell antidisestablishmentarianism. On the other hand, if you have problems with cat, your credibility might suffer.
 

workerbee

* Winter is Coming *
Ya know, at first I thought your little speech was kindof cute, in an intellectual kinda way. Then I thought, well damn! Einstein (oh, crap, did I spell that right? I don't care, but I'm sure you'll be irritated if I didn't!) maybe was a crappy speller. Maybe he had bad syntax. Or bad breath. Whatever. Without him we'd be sittin' in the dark.

Is this kindof like that phrase, er how does it go?

Strain at a gnat, and swallow a camel.

If the intel is good, I don't care if I'm reading it in ebonics.

Get a grip.




And to really put this in context, if a nuke goes off tomorrow, you're little argument will be the very last thing I think of.
 

Fly Girl

Veteran Member
workerbee said:
Ya know, at first I thought your little speech was kindof cute, in an intellectual kinda way. Then I thought, well damn! Einstein (oh, crap, did I spell that right? I don't care, but I'm sure you'll be irritated if I didn't!) maybe was a crappy speller. Maybe he had bad syntax. Or bad breath. Whatever. Without him we'd be sittin' in the dark.

Is this kindof like that phrase, er how does it go?

Strain at a gnat, and swallow a camel.

If the intel is good, I don't care if I'm reading it in ebonics.

Get a grip.




And to really put this in context, if a nuke goes off tomorrow, you're little argument will be the very last thing I think of.



pssssst.....hey.....workerbee......don't tell no one, but I think ya meant without "Edison", we'd be sittin in the dark..........and yes, my grammer is improper, so don't tell, Joe, deal??????? :D
 

workerbee

* Winter is Coming *
Fly Girl said:
pssssst.....hey.....workerbee......don't tell no one, but I think ya meant without "Edison", we'd be sittin in the dark..........and yes, my grammer is improper, so don't tell, Joe, deal??????? :D

Pardon me, my slip is showing!

Won't even edit, I'm laughing so hard. :chg:
Beers are on me!
 

Fly Girl

Veteran Member
workerbee said:
Pardon me, my slip is showing!

Won't even edit, I'm laughing so hard. :chg:
Beers are on me!

great, gimme a fosters.....or is that foster's???????


(now, Joe, we love you, and I even agree with you. I just need a little levity tonight, ok? so don't be mad!)
 

Rex Jackson

Has No Life - Lives on TB
"The device started life as a 3-10 Kiloton "large suitcase" bomb inside the former USSR. It was stolen during the Russian - Afghan conflict by Pakistani operatives, for the purposes of intended use against Russian Military invaders in Afghanistan. "

Not

There was 43 of these sold and traded for cashand heroin by the so called 'colappsed' Soviet Union.

Bin Laden/AQ/Palistan were suppose to have 12 in their posession, Saddam some and Israel jumped in and purchased the rest to avoid other MEers from buying them.

Also, seeing there are other conflicting issues here, I would not give this anything more than a 'gray terror' factor of 8 and a probability factor of 2.

Besiadeds, there a mention of a suitcase nuke and dirty bomb being the same thing which they are absolutly not.
 

Sharon

Inactive
I'd heard a couple of days ago about the 60 minutes report being aired Sunday night. Now I read this.... :shkr:

We've all gone through this so many times, I hope this is just one more time and nothing comes of it.

Hope I spelled everything right. ;)
 

Sharon

Inactive
Well, I just went to Drudge and couldn't find it there (maybe wasn't looking hard enough) so I went to the Drudge search of the news on the wires.

A number of papers have reported it according to information to be viewed tomorrow night on 60 minutes. Also, the Washington Times had an article regarding this.

Looks to be a little more serious than I thought. :shkr:
 

TJA

Veteran Member
One thing I've always been curious about in regards to these suitcase nukes and that is just what kind of shelf life do they have? Their size and portability would seem to indicate minimum shielding is used. While I'm sure that can be beefed up to hide the whole thing, wouldn't the internal workings have a shorter lifespan due to the constant exposure to the radioactive materials? I can't imagine that such an environment is good for the plastic explosives (or equivalent) that are used to trigger the nuclear explosion or the electronics for that matter. :shr:
 
Hi, Workerbee,

Usually when I post a pitiful nitpick rant like that, I inadvertently include a spelling or grammar misteak of my own. Serves me right.

And, FYI, actually, what Einstein could not do was arithmetic!

As to suitcase nukes:

I respectfully suggest that the most meaningful preparation applicable to most of us is not KI or whatever, because most of us would not be anywhere near the explosion. However, ALL of us would be smacked by the economic repercussions and, of course, by the final cancellation of the Constitution and the Bill of Rights that would immediately be rammed through Congress without debate. Possibly without even a vote.

Bush and Ashcroft fans take note: Republicans won't be exempted.

The peremptory and curt demand for "your papers" will apply to anyone the officer does not happen to like. "But I voted for George Bush!" won't do you any good. You assume that the only American citizens dragged off to be executed in secret will be the hated "libs" but history sort of suggests that these bad habits get out of hand pretty quick. Ask Robespierre or Trotsky or a whole lot of Germans.
 

helen

Panic Sex Lady
Read Heinlein. Everything techno-line he wrote comes true eventually. He wrote about suitcase nukes in a short story back in the 40's, I think. Only in his story, the Russians had buried 20 of them across the U.S. He also wrote about the South American Wars.

Joseph, I'm with you. I want my prophets to spell and punctuate correctly. ;)
 

LMonty911

Inactive
Rex, your factor rating might just be right- but to me, it has a "Pucker Factor" of about 12!
LOL

It's not just the nuke OK, - for the average American-if you're not in the footprint, and far enough away you can say "what was that"?; then the chances are good you'll survive. I don't mean to sound flippant- but lets look at it coldly, from an unemotional standpoint, and consider the possible outcomes.

It's everything that happens afterwards that really scares me.

Economic chaos indeed, and possible collapse and depression-reaching many other shores than our own...(hmmmm, several other currencies such as China and Russia (?IIRC) have just started uncoupling from the dollar-is this more than an "economic" dot-an equivalent of the pre 9/11 Put options?)

Internal depletion of resources, perhaps countrywide, and possible high death rates from interruption in fuel and food transportation if ports and interstate transport is interrupted in winter. Hospitals work on JIT, too-resources will get tight there very quickly if trucks and trains stop rolling...flu ought to be getting real interesting about then, as we go thru our first year with very inadequate vaccine supplies. Rates might decrease as travel does, but for those dislocated, stressed and forced to bunk in "refuge camps" (not unbelievable if theres a mass evacuation due to fallout-FEMA to the rescue)-it ought to make those camps a nightmare, just when the resources are lowest-and a significant portion of the refugees might have immune systems delpleted by stress, inadequate diet and/or mild radiation exposure.

Then theres our response- do we launch an attack in response, and where? WHo's gonna take exception to it? Do our traditonal enemies use that time to take aggressive actions agaisnt us, or allies? (China-Taiwan, NK-SK, etc) If we retaliate, can it actually lead to such increased tensions, that a larger, more traditional exchange of nuclear weapons takes place?

If we dont respond-or do so in a manner that our enemies would conside proof we are too morally weak-do we then open ourselves to more exploitation by them? You can pretty much bet on that, most of the rest of the world just cant wait for us to turn the other cheek...so they can stick something sharp in our eye.

One lousy suitcase could end up being TEOTWAWKI-it could completely shift global politics and create a completely new paradigm. And if a healthy tension of some type isnt maintained or rapidly created, it could have unforseen consequences I dont even want to imagine.
 

workerbee

* Winter is Coming *
I'm honestly sorry for the thread drift.

Scheuer seems credible, and that along with this thread, and the following article concern me.

http://www.adnki.com/index_2Level.php?cat=Terrorism&loid=8.0.55388412&par=

UAE: WEBSITE NUCLEAR BOMB CLAIM, ATTRIBUTED TO AL-QAEDA



Dubai,12 Nov. (AKI) - The ability to produce and enrich uranium to make nuclear bombs is no longer the prerogative of the world's "tyrannical crusaders", a statement signed by the the al-Qaeda terror network and published on a new Islamic 'Jihad Lion's Den Forum' website claimed this week. "Our attempts to make small nuclear bombs with great potential for destruction have succeeded", said the statement, which its authors said was targeted at the American people. "Al-Qaeda will respond harshly to your refusal to heed sheikh Osama bin Laden's warning not to re-elect the foolish Bush in the presidential elections. We tell you that this refusal will bring Allah's divine wrath upon you. He will make you the the prime target of an attack that will strike at the heart of America", the statement continued.

The message begins with the 60th verse from the 'Al-Anfal' ['The Spoils of War] chapter of the Koran: "And prepare for them you Muslims all you can recruit of strength: armed forces and mounted troops to strike terror into the hearts and minds of Allah's enemy who is your enemy, and into the hearts and minds of others whom you do not know but Allah knows them. And remember that whatever you spend in divine service you shall be reimbursed and never shall you be wronged".


(And has anyone noticed I'm definately not the only one here on TB tonight flying off the handle? It's been rather hot here tonight.)
 

WFK

Senior Something
From the glass-house (English is my second language)

I too am with you, Joseph. Although I will never learn correct (English) punctuation, mis-spellings mean work for me:

I have to read such sentences twice because the meaning often changes with incorrect spelling:
Your nuts is certainly different from you're nuts!

Confirm Einstein: people who knew him in Woodstock, NY, said he was bad with change.

Sorry for the thread drift!

On subject:

What is the difference between a suitcase bomb and a large suitcase bomb?

This is the first time that I have seen a large suitcase bomb mentioned, after innumerable suitcase bomb threads, snippets and articles.
 

night driver

ESFP adrift in INTJ sea
Shelflife of ANY nuke suitcase or other wise is most likely limitted by the tritium enhancing trigger. We covered this pretty well in the Shelter a few months ago.

ALSO the actual PU or U ball isn't all that radioactive....yes it emits nutrons and that means that it CAN be ID'd, but it doesn't emit enough to be all that dangerous......ask Helium or some of our Navy and AF folks who worked with the weapons every day.....


Reason I mentioned Helium, is that he splits atoms on a daily basis for his work.....he happens to know a little bit about nukes.....

Rex, the part about these fission devices being dirty bombs isn't QUITE as far fetched as you suggested. You are VERY correct in that a suitcase nuke (remember it's gonna be 40-80 kilos or so) is NOT a Radiological Dispersive Device (AKA Dirty Nuke)....


HOWEVER a squib blast turns it INTO a dirty bomb.....


C
 

TJA

Veteran Member
night driver said:
ALSO the actual PU or U ball isn't all that radioactive....yes it emits nutrons and that means that it CAN be ID'd, but it doesn't emit enough to be all that dangerous......ask Helium or some of our Navy and AF folks who worked with the weapons every day.....

HOWEVER a squib blast turns it INTO a dirty bomb.....


C

Personally living about 35-40 miles from manhattan I was kind of hoping that the 'pit' would be radioactive enough to degrade either the electronics or conventional explosives enough that after many years there'd be a decent chance of one of these things not going off. It's not something I remember reading about over the years.
 

mole

Doomer Granny
"The former agent, Michael Scheuer, speaks to Steve Kroft in his first television interview without disguise to be broadcast on 60 Minutes, Sunday, Nov. 14, at 7 p.m. ET/PT."

I hope we don't read this guy's obituary on November 15th.

:shkr:
 

Hansa44

Justine Case
I once read a book called "The Jesus Factor" many years ago. Many countries had nuclear bombs. A war broke out and everyone starting using them. And......nothing happened.

One of my favorites is Marshall law instead of martial law.
 

Prairie Lady

Inactive
in regards to = passive speech

Regarding = active verb and proper speech :)

I know doctors who can't spell worth a lick, and my own has gone to hell in a handbasket over the years as well. However, I have to agree that word choices and spelling do tend to lend an air of credibility to entire topics.

Something to remember folks. Life is terminal. We are all going to die someday while some are going to die sooner than others. Each day, we all take great risks getting into our cars to drive down the road. Death by auto accidents occur in the 10's of thousands every year. Walking across the street is dangerous. Eating food is dangerous. People wake up dead in their beds every day due to heart attacks and strokes through the night.

All of the preps in the world will not stop, nor contain the evil let loose in the world. If we aren't facing one type of risk, we will always have another. One never knows when his day to meet his maker is going to be upon him/her.

I challange people to beat terorism not by worry, or fearfullness of what could happen, but by defying death by living life to the fullest! Love your hardest, laugh as often and as loudly as you can. Smell the coffee, sniff the roses, play with the kids, send a note of appreciation to someone who needs it. Go ride a roller coaster! Sit in a puddle and make mud pies, play volley ball and do those things called living.

Every holiday season, every major sports activity, every election or innauguration is marred with posts about impending doom and disaster. Truthfully, those who fear life because they might die are already worse than dead.

Give the proverbial bird to those who seek to steal your joy and your peace! The thief commeth to steal, to kill and to destroy. That evil spirit is out there but it need not rule you! Make memories, make wonderful memories because part of life means that bad things WILL happen. And when they do there is nothing like gathering with those you love to sand the burrs of the bad moment with tales of joy, and conquest.

/off the soap box

pl
 

Norma

Veteran Member
Prairie Lady, how do you wake up dead. This just sounded funny to me and I needed a good laugh. I know what you ment though.

Norma
 

Tumbleweed

Inactive
Two to Three years ago, after 9/11, it was refurbished by AQ Khan of Pakistan with an enhanced Enriched Uranium-235 primer borrowing from a trichron design, and extensive repair rendered to it's tiny Plutonium-239 core, so as to insure that it will function properly.

Whether the article in question above is genuine....only time will tell.
The inauguration is just over 2 months away so we won't have long
to wait if that is to be the target.

I know but very little about nuclear devices, so correct me as you see
fit. It sounds as per my quote above that the device is in the hands
of someone who understands its workings and knows how to keep
it functional (assuming the article is real).

And finally, I personally don't think a misspelling or less than pristine
grammar means someone should not be listened to (again I am not
endorsing the above article, I am simply making a few points).

A child awakens to the sound of glass tinkling and a window being
raised. Peeking fearfully from beneath the covers, she see a dark
silouette pass her open doorway and disappear down the hall.
Terrified, she scrambles from her bed and dashes into her parent's
bedroom....shaking them frantically.
"M-m-mommy, d-d-daddy....t-t-there's s-somebody in the h-h-house,"
she stammers.
"Now darling, remember what we have been doing to help fix your
stuttering? I want you to go back to your room and write down the
sentence you were trying to say. Say it over and over to yourself....
keep practicing....until you can say it without stammering. Come back
to me and try it again whenever you're ready."
(Parents roll over and go back to sleep.)
 

Sharon

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Well, as always with these threads, I'm left in limbo. Do I listen to the people who sound credible and state that all of the potential for a nuclear bomb of any kind is not only possible, but probable? Or do I listen to those others who also state that this isn't possible, who also sound credible?

Personally, when I find papers/TV stations like the Washington Times, New York Press, CBS etc. printing fairly long articles regarding a subject, I tend to sit up and listen.

I look forward to listening to 60 minutes tonight to find out just how possible an attack is.

Oh, and Dennis, if you're reading this, please give us a spell checker. I've never been good with spelling and now with spell checkers I'm terrible. If I've learned not to be paranoid about attacks, I've definitely learned to be paranoid about my spelling and grammar here on this board.... ;)
 

BarkingDog

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I cannot accept that the Islamists gained control of a Soviet nuclear device through Soviet incompetence or corruption. The Soviets were NOT incompetent, they built (and continue to build today) the world's biggest arsenal of the most modern nuclear weapons. Nuclear devices ( contrary to the maskirova operations post "Fall" ) were carefully guarded and inventoried. The entire thread of information about "missing suitcase nukes" that started with Jack Idema's information from Lithuanian military officers was a deception operation.

The Soviets AKA the "former" Soviets are still running the show in the "former" Soviet Union. If a suitcase nuke goes off in CONUS, it was because the GRU wanted it to happen.

The Soviet invasion of Afghanistan killed over one million Afghanis. The Soviets kidnapped tens of thousands of Afghani children. The Soviets aerial seeded Afghanistan with anti-personnel mines designed to look like childrens toys in order to kill and maim children. The Soviets used chemical weapons against Afghanis. Now, after all that: Osama and his crew turn their hatred against America?

Dr. Ayman Al Zawahiri is captured by the Russians traveling through Ossetia on the way to Chechnya. The Russians have him in custody for six months (1996-1997) and then release him because the most efficient security apparatus in the world does not know that he is one of the world's most wanted terrorists! The FSB/KGB never searches the hard drive on his laptop (which is full of information about Al Qaeda and their plans), which they return to him upon his release. http://www.financialsense.com/stormwatch/geo/pastanalysis/2002/0716.htm

Stan Lunev told Jeff Nyquist: If Arabs are ever blamed for setting off a suitcase nuke in the United States; don't believe it. The GRU will be the ones who set it off. Lunev made that statement in 1998. http://www.financialsense.com/stormwatch/geo/pastanalysis/2002/0709.htm

Please note in the Nyquist article posted above, Shamil Basayev is identified as a GRU provocateur. Basayev was subsequently blamed this September for the school massacre on Ossetia.

Note that Forbes senior editor and historian Paul Klebnikov, who wrote Godfather of The Kremlin, was assasinated this year in Moscow. Klebinikov was a Russian-American who courageously pursued the truth behind the Potemkin Village facade of "Post"communism Russia.
 
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Onebyone

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These folks who are jumping on folks who don't spell all that well and don't use punch. all that good are just trying to show their minor superiority in one small area of life so the rest of you and that includes me don't worry it is their problem. If you can type well enough and spell well enough that you get the message across that is great.

Some folks have one kind of talent and other have others. Don't let those who have a talent for spelling and punch get to you when they start shinning their fingernails on their shirt. I personally am a terrible speller and many times put periods on question sentences but heck this is the internet not an English grammer classroom so I don't give a fart what those with their noses stuck upwards on these issue have to say :lol: I am posting this post to support those who are feeling bad due to this nonesense that keeps coming up on this thread about a real threat.

If they don't want to listen to what I say becasue I am not a good typer or speller then if I issue a real warning and they choose to ignore it due to spelling then they will fry; it is that simple.

Now back to the REAL topic of this thread.
 

Contrasaur

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The spelling and grammar errors should be considered in determining the credibility of the story. This is group who call themselves "computer scientists". I can't write worth a damn but when I see such a lousy web site from "computer scientists" then something is not right. That is one of the ugliest sites on the net.
 
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