Wise Owl - I've cleared my cache and I click on the voxnyc.com link and it comes up just fine.
For example I just pulled this up from the site...
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12/11/2002 Entry: "George Bush - He means what he says."
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Fantastic - really great. I'm from Canada, and I'm telling you, you Americans better get your ****ing act together and get rid of this jerk in the white house. Don't you all see what a blatant criminal this guy is???
ATTENTION: ALL CITIZENS OF THE WORLD. BOYCOTT EVERYTHING AMERICAN UNTIL THE AMERICANS GET THE GUTS TO RID OF THIS ****ING ASSHOLE IN THE WHITE HOUSE.
Montreal.
Posted by Walt Whitman @ 12/11/2002 11:37 AM EST
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Yeah, Someone better manage Bushes utterances better. I mean every time Bush opens his mouth it is an open invitation for anyone with a brain to make a mockery out of what comes out. The man is a ****ing idiot.
Posted by Duncan White @ 12/11/2002 11:43 AM EST
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One word sums it up...NIMROD!
Posted by Frasier @ 12/11/2002 12:17 PM EST
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Then again who really cares what he says at all. He is not incharge-except for looking like a donkey. Daddy Bush and his merry band of phycho satanists are the ones we should be watching. Anybody got some Anthrax? I got the stamps.
Posted by sandman420 @ 12/11/2002 01:07 PM EST
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Hey, has anyone noticed just how much Dubya smirks and grins whenever he addresses the nation or otherwise.
It dont matter how grim the topic of conversation might be George cannot help but do this smirking and grinning . If you watch him closely you can see him doing it, usually after he's spouted some crazy bullshit. Its probably due to the fact that he is having just so much fun with his cronies ****ing everybody on the planet and getting away with it!!!
Posted by TheRoach @ 12/11/2002 01:19 PM EST
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Hey, has anyone noticed just how much Dubya smirks and grins whenever he addresses the nation or otherwise.
It dont matter how grim the topic of conversation might be George cannot help but do this smirking and grinning . If you watch him closely you can see him doing it, usually after he's spouted some crazy bullshit. Its probably due to the fact that he is having just so much fun with his cronies ****ing everybody on the planet and getting away with it!!!
Posted by TheRoach @ 12/11/2002 01:20 PM EST
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Pity my poor boy. His brain cells were damaged from years of cocaine and alcohol abuse, and later, sniffing glue. He's really just a child trapped inside the body of a man. The globalists are using him as a herediatry pawn to carry out their sinister goals. George wants nothing more than to sit home at the pig farm in Crawdad and play with his Pokemon cards.
Posted by Cackling Granny Babs @ 12/11/2002 02:31 PM EST
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Dubya is the perfect puppet for Poppy Bush's cabal of psychotics. It doesnn't matter what he says anymore, it has absolutely no meaning, nothing he says has a smidgen of critical thinking in it - As Putin said when Georgie was appointed, (paraphrase) "words die on his lips".
If there is a Gore/Bush re-match in '04 - Gore better watch his back.
Posted by fool on the hill @ 12/11/2002 03:29 PM EST
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There's something wrong here...there are many people in the Bush administration that I hate.But-I just realized this today after seeing another shot of his mug in my paper-BUSH is the only (person?)whose FACE I just can't stand to look at.Just his FACE! Ahh!God! I had to cover it up so I could finish reading the article! So either he's a ROBOT or an ALIEN,but damnit,sum'n ain't RIGHT with him!!!
Posted by Weeping4America @ 12/11/2002 04:06 PM EST
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Bush is there for ONE reason...and ONE REASON only and that is to feather...
U.S. CORPORATIONS AND ARMS MANUFACTURERS
Posted by Mech @ 12/11/2002 05:00 PM EST
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Bush is a product of Poppy Bush - George is Poppy & the gang's robot...
google search THE TRUTH CAMPAIGN
site
and read article on mind control
the MK-ULTRA CIA project
"Mind Control Out of Control"--the name that comes up over and over again is George HW Bush.
Posted by fool on the hill @ 12/11/2002 05:40 PM EST
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holy shit i just got a copy of the homeland security bill and in the middle of the mishmashed 484 pages i found this...
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H.L.C.
(2) ACT OF TERRORISM.-(A) The term ''act of terrorism'' means any act that the Secretary deter- mines meets the requirements under subparagraph
(B), as such requirements are further defined and specified by the Secretary.
(B) REQUIREMENTS.-An act meets the requirements of this subparagraph if the act-
(i) is unlawful; 8
(ii) causes harm to a person, property, or entity, in the United States, or in the case of a domestic United States air carrier or a United States-flag vessel (or a vessel based principally in the United States on which United States income tax is paid and whose insurance coverage is subject to regulation in the United States), in or outside the United States; and
(iii) uses or attempts to use instrumentalities, weapons or other methods designed or in- tended to cause mass destruction, injury or other loss to citizens or institutions of the United States.
Now, terrorism is only terrorism if it is against the united states. Any violent crime is now defined as terrorism, whether someone is injured or not.
Posted by Ozgar Pugnus @ 12/11/2002 06:03 PM EST
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I ****ing hate our president and his administration of criminals! Why can't America wake the **** up! How much more can they continue to cover up? Just you watch and see, they'll find no weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, so they will blow up another building and blame it on Saddam. This whole war on terrorism is so ****ing phony. This war in Afganastan and Iraq is all about oil! People need to get the real news from honest and blunt sites such as this one, keep up the fight and death to Bush and the new world order!
-Rick Mythiasin
Posted by Rick Mythiasin @ 12/11/2002 06:15 PM EST
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"When you see the 'abomination of desolation' [referring to the spirit of a man] (let the reader understand) standing in a place WHERE HE AUGHT NOT [anyone else see a George Bush here] then let those who are in Judea [ie in truth] flee to the mountains." [spititually and if possible physically remove themselves from society ie the herd]
Mark 13-14 and Matthew 24-15 (and Daniel 9-27)
This pretty much sums up the current situation.The ten districts of the world (Daniel and Revelations)haven't happened yet but we know they are in the planning as is the 'mark of the beast without which you can neither buy nor sell" (Revelations) in which case the 'abomination of desolation' would fit an anti-Pope and anti-christ but dubool-ye fits given the last election for president and God may be showing us a foretaste of whats to come as a preparation without which we may be totally overcome. also you Americans need to realize the fact that youre putting up with this guy and not rallying to overthrow him is because of your chemtrails and other powerful conditioning which is massively intensifying as we speak- so best follow the warning above.
Posted by charlie @ 12/11/2002 09:01 PM EST
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Has anyone read the alleged rape charges against Bush which were posted on the indymedia site? A woman named Margie Schoedinger has filed suit in Ft. Bend County Texas alleging Bush raped her. You can find the documents at democraticunderground.com
Some guy, our Prez! He makes Clinton look like the tooth fairy!
Posted by baldymcgregor @ 12/11/2002 09:05 PM EST
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..resistance is futile..
Posted by hairyfairy @ 12/11/2002 10:54 PM EST
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I have to agree that Bush is one dumb
****er,,how the **** the American people voted for this idiot(or did they?)I will never know.I agree with the other posters that he is of course
just a front for billionaire bank lords perfect for the job.He can speak and go through the motions of a human being,,speak,move his hands,,he even has a programmed memory! but lacks anything resembling true humanity,,how could he being part of the murder of 3000 Americans?
Wouldn´t it be great if someone could slip an acid tab or some mind altering drug in his coffee just before he made a major speech!!!
Just imagine what would happen,,would he confess? would he break out of his somnambulistic satan possessed state!!"my father beat me,,he made me do it!"etc etc,,
Did anyone hear that some guy got jailed for cracking a joke about a burning Bush??America is turning into one scary place.
Posted by Rob the Scrutinizer @ 12/11/2002 11:52 PM EST
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i fear to think what the future will be like, and i mean future like a year or two down the line, someone told me"dude all this nonesense will be over with when we elect another president" but i dont think so, no way in hell that bush and cheney and their thugs at the white house will create this machine of tyranny only to see it change by "some other guy we elect" makes the idea that presidents are selected not elected more credible, too much is at stake to let it all be decided by "election" anyways, what is needed in this country is a revolution, a revolution involving the majour part of this country. the second american revolution
Posted by jason @ 12/12/2002 12:00 AM EST
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Well my above comment may not be far from the truth!
Bush isn't a moron, he's a cunning sociopath
By Bev Conover
Online Journal Editor & Publisher
December 5, 2002?If any of us are to have a future worth having,
the world's leaders, the members of Congress, the US corporate
media and people of all political persuasions who value freedom and
democracy had better start seeing George W. Bush for what he is:
a sociopath and a passive serial killer.
Psychiatrists tell us that all serial killers lack the emotions that
make us human; that they have to learn to emulate those emotions
in order to get by in society. Hence, a charming, well educated
fellow like Ted Bundy who is known to have murdered 15 women
and may have killed 36 before he was caught.
While Bush is no Bundy, when it comes Bundy's education and
acquired charm, and to our knowledge has never personally
murdered anyone, it has been evident to us that there is something
missing in George W. in terms of his lack of compassion and
empathy. As governor of Texas, he set a record in signing death
warrants?154 in five years. He even made fun of the way convicted
killer Karla Faye Tucker begged for her life.
If we believe the psychiatrists, a sign of a future serial killer is a
child who delights in torturing and killing animals. George W., as a
child, did exactly that. In a May 21, 2000, New York Times' puff
piece about the values Bush gained growing up in Midland, Texas,
Nicholas D. Kristof quoted Bush's childhood friend Terry
Throckmorton: "'We were terrible to animals,' recalled Mr.
Throckmorton, laughing. A dip behind the Bush home turned into a
small lake after a good rain, and thousands of frogs would come
out. 'Everybody would get BB guns and shoot them,' Mr.
Throckmorton said. 'Or we'd put firecrackers in the frogs and throw
them and blow them up.'"
On Sept. 12, 2000, Baltimore Sun reporter Miriam Miedzian wrote,
"So when he was a kid, George W. enjoyed putting firecrackers
into frogs, throwing them in the air, and then watching them blow
up. Should this be cause for alarm? How relevant is a man's
childhood behavior to what he is like as an adult? And in this case,
to what he would be like as president of the United States."
We're finding out, aren't we? While we, in two articles before the
2000 election?Sept. 21 and Oct. 23?noted Bush's penchant for
blowing up frogs, the corporate media blew it off, just as it had no
interest in what he was trying to hide by obtaining a new Texas
driver license and his 1976 drunk driving conviction, or the fact he
was AWOL from the Texas Air National Guard. Instead, they
bought into his nonsensical claim of being a "compassionate
conservative" and "a uniter not a divider" who was going to "restore
honor and dignity to the White House."
All through the 2000 campaign and up to Sept. 11, 2001, the
corporate media depicted Bush as an affable, tongue-tied
bumbler?the kind of guy Joe Six-pack would like to have a beer
with?turning a blind eye to his dark underside. It mattered not that
he stocked his illicit administration with the worst of the worst: John
Ashcroft, Donald Rumsfeld, Gale Norton, Paul O'Neill, Harvey Pitt,
Thomas White, John Negroponte, Otto Reich and convicted
Iran-contra felon Elliot Abrams who received a 1992 Christmas Eve
pardon from George W.'s father.
Then, despite his peculiar behavior on Sept. 11, the corporate
media and his handlers transformed him into a leader extraordinaire
in the mold of Franklin D. Roosevelt, Abraham Lincoln and Winston
Churchill rolled into one.
And as Bush had Afghanistan bombed back beyond the Stone Age
to rid the world of Osama bin Laden and al Qaeda, then switched to
claiming it was the Taliban that had to go, then declared there was
an "axis of evil" and it was really Saddam Hussein who was the
"mother of all evil" and that war with Iraq was in the offing to get rid
of Saddam, the corporate media cheered him on and to this day
continues to beat the war drum. They have yet to consider that the
passive serial killer needs to feed his lust for blood by sending
others to put their lives on the line and do the killing for him.
In his Sept. 12 article, White House insiders say Bush is "out of
control," Mike Hersh wrote, "Some among Bush's trusted White
House staff fear what they are seeing and where Bush is taking us.
His state of mind hauntingly reminds them of Richard Nixon's Final
Days. They fear Bush is becoming Nixonesque . . . or worse.
Although Bush lacks Nixon's paranoia, he may entertain even more
dangerous notions."
But their desperate late night phone calls to trusted reporters has
not seen the light of day in the corporate media. Yet, some of us
outside the Beltway have long had an inkling of what we are dealing
with.
More proof lies in Alexandra Pelosi's documentary, Journeys with
George. Pelosi, the daughter of incoming House Minority Leader
Nancy Pelosi, was a producer for NBC when she wangled the
assignment to spend 18 months as part of Bush's campaign press
corps.
From the surface, Pelosi's "home movie," as she calls it, seems to
be nothing more than a love fest as George W. works to charm the
pants off her and the rest of the press corps. The striking thing
about this George, even though Karen Hughes is often seen
hovering at his elbow, is that he isn't tongue-tied when he is
pumping up his ego, dishing out digs and being sarcastic and
crude.
Mark Crispin Miller, author of The Bush Dyslexicon and professor of
media studies at New York University, who also sees the darker
Bush, said in a Nov. 28 interview with the Toronto Star, ""Bush is
not an imbecile. He's not a puppet. I think that Bush is a
sociopathic personality. I think he's incapable of empathy. He has
an inordinate sense of his own entitlement, and he's a very skilled
manipulator. And in all the snickering about his alleged idiocy, this
is what a lot of people miss."
Miller said he did intend The Bush Dyslexicon to be a funny book,
but that was before he read all the transcripts, which revealed,
according to reporter Murray Whyte, "a disquieting truth about what
lurks behind the cock-eyed leer of the leader of the free world. He's
not a moron at all on that point, Miller and Prime Minister Jean
Chretien agree."
"He has no trouble speaking off the cuff when he's speaking
punitively, when he's talking about violence, when he's talking about
revenge," Miller told Whyte. "When he struts and thumps his chest,
his syntax and grammar are fine. It's only when he leaps into the
wild blue yonder of compassion, or idealism, or altruism, that he
makes these hilarious mistakes."
In a speech last Sept. in Nashville, trying to strengthen his case
against Saddam, Bush's script called for him to say, "Fool me
once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me." But the words
that came out of his mouth were, ""Fool me once, shame . . .
shame on . . . you," followed by a long pause, then, "Fool
me?can't get fooled again!"
Said Miller, "What's revealing about this is that Bush could not say,
'Shame on me' to save his life. That's a completely alien idea to
him. This is a guy who is absolutely proud of his own inflexibility
and rectitude."
Another example, Miller said, occurred early in Bush's White
House tenure when he said, "I know how hard it is to put food on
your family."
According to Miller, "That wasn't because he's so stupid that he
doesn't know how to say, 'Put food on your family's table'?it's
because he doesn't care about people who can't put food on the
table."
Miller told Whyte, ""When he tries to talk about what this country
stands for, or about democracy, he can't do it."
"This, then, is why he's so closely watched by his handlers, Miller
says not because he'll say something stupid, but because he'll
overindulge in the language of violence and punishment at which he
excels," Whyte wrote.
"He's a very angry guy, a hostile guy. He's much like Nixon. So
they're very, very careful to choreograph every move he makes.
They don't want him anywhere near protestors, because he would
lose his temper," Miller said.
"I call him the feel bad president, because he's all about
punishment and death," Miller told Whyte. "It would be a grave
mistake to just play him for laughs."
A grave mistake, indeed.
If all that has happened since Bush was first mentioned as a
possible GOP presidential candidate hasn't set off alarms, his
naming of war criminal, mass murderer and international fugitive
Henry Kissinger last week to head up the 9/11 investigation should
have. And this week another alarm should have gone off when Bush
promoted Elliot Abrams to lead the National Security Council's
office for Near East and North African affairs, which oversees
Arab-Israeli relations.
Bush must be stopped now, before he sets the world aflame. And
set it aflame is what he intends to do, even if Iraq has no "weapons
of mass destruction" or Saddam stands on his head, naked, on the
White House lawn.
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Posted by Rob the Scrutinizer @ 12/12/2002 12:04 AM EST
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Thank you, President Bush for your Eid greetings, we are indeed greatly indebted. And thank you for telling us, one more time, that your new war is not against Islam and Muslims. It was time that you reminded us that we should not take the B-52 bombers showering bombs on our cities so personally. Indeed, the six Iraqis who died on the first day of December are not to be counted among the dead; they were illegal combatants, working in an oil factory.
As Muslims, we are grateful to you for all the food packages that were sent down from the Afghan skies during the last year. Had we been the children of Israel, it would have reminded us of our great past when Manna and Salva was sent down by God. Let me assure you, Mr. President, American peanut butter tastes so good that our Afghan children became so keen to pick up the food packages that they could not even distinguish between the food packages and thousands of canister bombs that your B-52 bombers left behind in their wasteland. But, of course, it was their bad luck; we will just add them to the list of collateral damage. That way, we will not have to go through the tedious ritual of calculating the number of dead.
I am sorry to hear that things are not going well back home. Some unpatriotic Americans have started to ask questions about your war of terror, excuse me, war on terror. They ask for results for the 40 billion dollars you so graciously and hurriedly sanctioned for the great war. That little audio cassette that recently surfaced at the Al-Jazeera did not help much, I suppose. Although you have the Al-Jazeera's Kabul correspondent firmly locked up in a cage at camp X-ray (and thank God, the international union of journalists has not made a peep about him), this little island of a network keeps coming up with trouble after trouble.
You were, however, more successful with Herta Daeubler-Gmelin, the German Justice Minister who so rudely compared your new war policies to that of Adolf Hitler; thank goodness, she was quickly sacked by Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder for poisoning the relations. I must also congratulate you on quickly getting rid of Mme. Francoise Ducros, the Canadian Prime Minister Jean Chretien's Director of Communications, who so ungratefully called you a moron despite all the soft lumber that American companies so cheaply buy from Canada in order to help their economy.
Mr. President, it is heartening to know that the new Department of Homeland Security is finally off to a grand start. With an operational budget of $37.5 billion and nearly 170,000 federal employees, it should keep the homeland secure. Just let no American walk out of your great country without the protection of pilot-less drones for streets of the world have become very dangerous for them.
I hope that with your ambassador in London so ardently standing behind you in your war after war, it should not be difficult to soon control all the unruly streets. Whatever happened the other day in Amman should never be allowed to happen again. I think it would not be a bad idea to send a little congratulatory note to your distant relative in Amman for taking care of the matter so promptly. I hear the little town of Mann is also grateful to you for bringing all the world attention to this tribal region. The price those little rabbles had to pay was not much, I suppose, compared to what the Afghans have paid. It was merely a double digit number that they lost. But we will not call it war against Muslims; after all, it was their own king whose army was doing the job.
Mr. President, in your Eid greetings, you have rightly told us that the new year is full of promises. We look forward to the new ventures. Afghanistan is indeed becoming a little too dull and although great news is in store regarding Iraq, Hans Blix and his team of inspectors are taking too long. Please hurry up or else the current rating will start to go down and you know very well how difficult it is to whip up the hysteria once it has subsided.
You know that anthrax cannot be used again to create fear. (By the way, the little leak leading to the US military was plugged very well and I sincerely hope that all patriotic Americans will remember never to ask any questions about anthrax.) So, what are we going to do next time? How would you generate new waves of fear? I suppose those little Napoleons in thousands of homeland security offices would come up with something. Perhaps, you should ask them to start cooking something like the danger of a bio-engineered mosquito bringing a deadly virus. That would be something!
It is my sincere hope, Mr President, that in the new year, you will not be so lenient with men who keep bothering you with their silly questions about Afghanistan. I was shocked to read a report by one Robert Fisk who sketched a graphic picture of little children being blown up in the deserts of Khost. He also had the nerve to draw world attention to the endless queue of mutilated civilians sitting outside the hospital in Herat, hoping to get an artificial leg. Likewise, people who keep mentioning international laws, protocols and agreements should be stopped from reminding the world that in your war of terror (excuse my slip again, Mr. President), you have not even spared ambassadors. No one has the right to remind the world that Ambassador Mullah Zaeef is still locked up in a cage in Camp X-ray.
I am glad to know that early in 2003, Germans will take charge of the Afghan ordeal. It would be their boys who would risk their lives for this grand show which, we all know, will only last for as long as money keeps coming. But I am afraid, Afghans are rather notorious for their tenacity. There is little hope that what the Soviet Union could not achieve with 140,000 men, we can achieve without large-scale disasters soon erupting all over this unruly land. Those who keep saying that the Afghan adventure is headed for disaster should all be locked up with the "illegal combatants". (By the way, that was an excellent invention for which its inventor should be amply rewarded.)
That reminds me to say that events like the appearance of those four pictures of C-130 planes carrying their human cargo to Camp X-ray should not be allowed to happen again. They do bring the specter of war crimes being launched in some court, somewhere in the world although you have rightly declined to sign the international charter which would put the American soldiers in risk. But the images of those shackled men, which recently flashed on millions of computer screens around the world, was not nice, to say the least.
I am also sad to know that some Edward Saids are still around. They keep talking about an impossible linkage: the suffering of Palestinians, so carefully crafted by a 2.1 billion dollar annual aid to Israel and numerous supplements. They have maps, numbers and pictures which they keep showing to the world. The appearance of a new great wall here, barbed fences there, burned olive orchards, destroyed homes, pieces of dead bodies scattered on streets, made-in-America gun ships and helicopters bombing the refugee camps. Of course, your war is not against Muslims and certainly there is no link between the suffering of Palestinians and the catastrophes Americans continue to experience abroad. No, the world should accept the verdict of your "man of peace" who looks forward to his new term which will complete the task of fortification of Israel.
And finally, let me close by thanking you, once again, Mr. President, for the opportunity you so graciously provided to some of our Muslim brothers and sisters to come and visit you and Laura at the White House at the beginning of the month of Ramadan. That great occasion will always be remembered by them and their children and their children. They are eternally grateful to you and Laura. I am sure you also value their friendship because they the harbingers of an intellectual northern alliance you so desperately need at this time. With all the best wishes for your new year adventures I am, yours sincerely.
www.islamicity.com
Posted by jason @ 12/12/2002 12:48 AM EST
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Some of these views concur with what I saw of Bush on the Dave letterman show once during his election campaign. During the ad break (Letterman later replayed the incident) he wiped his glasses on the nearest thing he could find which happened to be the cardigan of the producer who was standing next to him tending something on Dave's desk. I thought "that's funny he obviously thinks that he's important enough to use someone's garment they are wearing to wipe his important glasses on" and this was unbeknownst to the producer who had her back to Bush at the time. But in light of this article it seems to be rude and contemtouos as well.
Posted by bombast @ 12/12/2002 06:25 AM EST
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In response to Rob the Scrutinizer's comment: some of these views concur with what I saw of Bush on the Dave letterman show once during his election campaign. During the ad break (Letterman later replayed the incident) he wiped his glasses on the nearest thing he could find which happened to be the cardigan of the producer who was standing next to him tending something on Dave's desk. I thought "that's funny he obviously thinks that he's important enough to use someone's garment they are wearing to wipe his important glasses on" and this was unbeknownst to the producer who had her back to Bush at the time. But in light of this article it seems to be rude and contemptuous as well.
Posted by bombast @ 12/12/2002 06:28 AM EST
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Think about this: Nostradamus named the three anti-christs. The first one is Napoleus Roy (Napoleon). The second one is Hister (Hitler). The third he named Mabus. Do you think this is Bush? Just wondering...
Posted by 2012 @ 12/12/2002 07:15 AM EST
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First of all - all flock to www.dubyadubyadubya.com
at least a decent attempt to bring our united sincere appologies to the world for our "president" - emperor.
The sad reality is, that during the time this site has been up, people have been more and more afraid to speak out, and instead enshroud their comments in double meanings.
We are beginning to lose people.
This site is losing its purpose
Unless we stand up, we will soon be shut up.
www.dubyadubyadubya.com
Posted by Unproud American @ 12/12/2002 07:34 AM EST
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After reading through many main stream media websites this morning and reading the latest press briefings that Ari Fleischer gives to White House correspondents, it struck me that 'everyone' is getting/has gotten used to saying the 'Homeland' when referring to America. Can't people just say 'America' anymore? When the idea of a 'Homeland Security Department' was first proposed, the use of the word 'Homeland' was an alien one to Americans and there was a fair amount of commentary of how odd it seemed. Now through repetition, we're apparently getting used to it and can't even call ourselves by our rightful name anymore. I dunno, just seems like another one of those 'weeds' that slowly and subtlely grows without hardly any notice, but eventually chokes off the 'good stuff' in the garden.
Posted by Suzette @ 12/12/2002 08:13 AM EST
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ok heres that homeland security excerpt again...
(2) ACT OF TERRORISM.-(A) The term ''act of terrorism'' means any act that the Secretary deter- mines meets the requirements under subparagraph (B), as such requirements are further defined and specified by the Secretary.
(B) REQUIREMENTS.-An act meets the requirements of this subparagraph if the act-
(i) is unlawful;
(ii) causes harm to a person, property, or entity, in the United States, or in the case of a domestic United States air carrier or a United States-flag vessel (or a vessel based principally in the United States on which United States income tax is paid and whose insurance coverage is subject to regulation in the United States), in or outside the United States; and
(iii) uses or attempts to use instrumentalities, weapons or other methods designed or intended to cause mass destruction, injury or other loss to citizens or institutions of the United States.
terrorism is only terrorism if it is against the united states. Any violent crime is now defined as terrorism, whether someone is injured or not.
but reading it again, this thing could really cover any crime! read it,
"causes harm to a person, property, or entity"- the word or means that the term person doesnt have to be included, you dont have to hurt someone.
"or other loss"- this could easily include money
"or institutions of the united states"- this could include any ****ing organization
all the tyrannical laws that were being set in place had that tiny little disclaimer that stated "for terrorists only" so most people were still pretty much safe even after the expansion of the terrorist definition in the USA PATRIOT act.
but this... we should have seen this coming. they surround us with these laws saying "just for terrorists, just for terrorists" and then, they get us by totally changing what the definition of a terorist act is!
you can get the whole 484 page document off of prisonplanet.com
all they need now is to clear out Posse Comitatus...
Posted by Ozgar Pugnus @ 12/12/2002 08:27 AM EST
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Just when I think things can't get any crazier, the bush cartel always manages to pull a high priestess from the bottom of the deck.
I'm feeling more like I'm living in the movies "They Live" or "The Matrix", everyone seems to be asleep.
I was talking with a couple of acquaintances who visit my web site over the weekend and they both offers some theories, 'what if a black ops group stages a weapons of mass delusion attack on an american city. The populace would be clamoring for junior to nuk'em back to the stone ago
One also mentioned the "for now" voluntary smallpox vaccination program. What a fine way to get rid of any of us currently living with hiv, cancer, other immune problems or organ transplants.
It's all getting so scary, it's almost humorous in a Doctor Strangelove sort of way. Again love your site; definitely a lot of food for thought. Too bad most people are suffering from mental anorexia.
Posted by Bigboote @ 12/12/2002 09:49 AM EST
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To webmaster, please forgive the muliple posts, my system hung up when I clicked post.
As an aside:
I have always and still do truly love my country and what it's "supposed" to stand for, and served proudly in the military, but it's what the political and industrial hijackers have done to my native soil and and our image to the rest of the passengers on the global omnibus that gets my blood pressure up.
Peace to all
Posted by Bigboote @ 12/12/2002 09:56 AM EST
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The truth about America will set her free. The masses were fed with hate by their corrupt masters, so that the mass murder and theivery commited against the non europeans was considered to be for their own good, despite the words of Jesus their savior. The masses were taxed so that their rich masters could maximize their profits, the resposibility for cleaning up the masters mess was left to taxpayers.The masses were then forced to believe that your evolution as a human depended on how much you could accumulate. after the masses became greedy, racist and condescending their masters orchestrated the stock market crash and great depression and a pretend enemy. As the complaints mounted and their predatory position seemed threatened, the masters started a world war to distract their prey from the truth and to kill whoever knows the truth, the government serves the filthy rich politicians and buisness owners, the rest of us are slaves in bondage worried about losing our consumer goods ans savings. ARE YOU READY TO KILL TO SAVE YOUR STUFF. DOES YOUR GOD WANT YOU TO CONTINUE KILLING IN THE NAME OF THE ECONOMY. IDOLATRY AND ADULTERY ARE NOW NORMAL BEHAVIOR IN YOUR DYING COUNTRY, IS THIS THE REAL REASON WHY THE EUROPEANS CAME HERE? YOUR BIBLE HAS CLEAR WARNINGS ABOUT YOUR BEHAVIOR, YOU CANNOT AVOID YOUR DESTINATION BECAUSE YOU RULERS WILL NOT CHANGE THEIR DESTRUCTIVE DIRECTION AND YOU BELIEVE THEIR EMPTY THREATS. WE ARE ALL GOING TO DIE EVENTUALLY SO CREATE AND ENJOY A PARTY
Posted by EARTHLING WHILE I'M HERE @ 12/12/2002 10:45 AM EST
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Soaring Eagle:
Perhaps you should look up the definition of "schizo" ... and your post is the text-book example of "mindless." Bush and his cronies are ****ing us all ... it doesn't matter if you voted for him or not. He and his team of thugs hold us ALL in utter contempt. The sooner you get your head out of your ass and start paying attention, the better you'll be able to deal with it.
Posted by Shawn Hines @ 12/12/2002 01:42 PM EST
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So what did we learn about George W. Bush today?
Well, first we learned where he was August 1st 1973:
Getting SUSPENDED from the National Guard [MORE]
Then we learned about another little incident:
It says in this court document [PDF] [HTML] on the Office of the County Clerk, Fort Bend County Texas site that Dubya has been accused legally of having sex with a minor, and then using his powers as President to harass her into committing suicide.
Got any other goodies? Aside from the male "sexmate" story, of course.
(We can't talk about that, It's a "Matter of National Security". Send them here.
Posted by valis @ 12/12/2002 01:47 PM EST
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Shawn Hines
Get use to this form of government. I'll take Bush policies over his predecessor any day.Before Clinton enterd office Chinese missles lacked proper guidance system (Lorell Corp.)now they do.Before Clinton entered office N. Korea's missle couldn't reach U.S West coast now they can.
Before Clinton entered office N. Korea didn't have nuclear weapons now they do. Bush is busy cleaning up that pinko commie lib's mess left over from Bill(anything for a buck)Clinton and his partner in crime Al(i'll take any money from China)Gore aka Sore Gore.
Posted by Soaring Eagle @ 12/12/2002 01:56 PM EST
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Just wonder, why call him Dubya?
Posted by Noname @ 12/12/2002 03:19 PM EST
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Soaring Eagle and Unknown soldier have been duped.
Bush is pissing on the constitution. He's making Bill Clinton seem like an Angel..
http://www.dubyadubyadubya.com/
http://www.infowars.com
http://www.prisonplanet.com
Posted by Mech @ 12/12/2002 05:41 PM EST
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If Bush is the antichrist what does that make the people who voted for him?
Posted by charlie @ 12/12/2002 05:57 PM EST
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Remember that Chinese spy plane incident at the beginning of Shrub's term? Al Martin says that was actually a technology transfer. Notice how China's been suddenly producing their own hi-tech planes? That's because we (meaning Shrub and Co) gave them the technology. Truth is, both Republican and Democratic regimes have been arming China to the teeth for decades. Recently, Shrub traded Taiwan for Chinese support of the Iraq invasion. He told them "sure - take Taiwan, and we'll just take Iraq" I think the Chinese are just sitting back and waiting for these clowns to shit in their own nest, then look out, here comes China, super world power, armed by America.
Posted by fungusamongus @ 12/12/2002 06:10 PM EST
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if only nature would take itz course and cheney's black ****ing heart would cease pumping,that would be one down ,? to go.There are weaknesses in the white houses plans.The cocksure confidence about results;an illusion in my eyez.The americanz must keep up the ****ing pressure and voraciously devour knowledge like this site has to offer and burn the brains of brainwashed puppets back into the fight to save a more real freedom here on earth.Those two bush quotes six months apart in the intro of voxnyc's website singlehandedly paint the picture of what we are dealing with .If only this could be seen as clearly demonstated in the mass populaces clouded eyez.
Posted by electrikeyez @ 12/12/2002 08:55 PM EST
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You think it was George W who wrote the Homeland Security Bill? You think he contributed its major ideas? I don't think so...
Killing is never the answer. Get that much straight. Those of you who'd like to see George W offed and are comparing his administration to Clinton's are missing the point on at least two levels:
1. Violence begets violence - always - ALWAYS! Spiritual sages have been here on earth for millenia to teach us this simple fact.
2. George W. and Bill Clinton were "placed" (not voted) in office by the same people in high positions of power, one of whom happens to be newly in charge of the 9-11 investigation, (Dr. K), tho I do not believe for a moment that he is Mr. Big.
George W. IS NOT IN CHARGE, never was, no matter what the media reports. Blaming him is like blaming the mailman for slow mail.
Read:
*War On Freedom, by Naffeez Massadegg Ahmed
*Rule By Secrecy, by Jim Marrs
*The Truth Shall Set You Free, by David Icke (and other books by him)
*Noam Chomsky, who saw this trend coming in '93(?) when the WTC was hit the first time
*Stupid White Men, by Michael Moore
There are plenty of other books and articles out there, recent and antiquated,as many of you already know, that effectively document the history and activities of the so-called "Global Elite". Read them, and you'll find that these same activities have been going on for a long time with many of the same players crossing several years and generations. For example, some of the key players today in the Bush Administration (Cheny, Kissinger, George Bush Sr.) were also prominent in the Ford Administration.
Knowledge is power. Arm yourselves well, not with guns or hate, but with knowledge. As Bush might say, "don't misunderestimate the misblunders of your enemy".
You want Bush out? Then work to impeach him. Rally. Write. Let your representatives know. If they won't listen, write again, and then march to Washington and make them listen. Marching worked for Martin Luther King and his followers. March to Washington and camp out there until it gets done. Prepare for many curve balls and unknown factors, but if that is done the world will listen. There is a gathering planned against the war on Irag, I believe, I think in January. Let it be the largest gathering ever assembled in the U.S. Spread the word and do it. Don't rely on the internet, which may be chained and restricted a year from now. Rely on action, your own. How far are you willing to go...in a peaceful non violent manner? Who are you willing to talk to, and how far are you willing to travel to get the message through? Examine yourselves, seek the real truth, not the half-truths you hear in the media, (and even on the internet), and then determine your course of action. Rally at your homes with like minded people. Combine with other groups. Make a Plan. Find out who's organizing and join. But take action. Freedoms we take for granted are being sucked away.
"From my cold dead hand..." ought to refer to freedoms & rights, not guns...
Posted by 6stringdood @ 12/12/2002 09:32 PM EST
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12-17-2002, 10:23 PM
[jbt] voxfux raided...
appears to be up, fred...
But free speech is going out the door folks.
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