[OLD THREAD 2002] Cheney currently on nuclear armed sub at sea

[truthseeker]

This just sounds really strange to me. anyone car to ponder guesses what this is all about?


http://www.wesh.com/orl/news/stories...23-080752.html

[HeliumAvid]

http://www.wesh.com/orl/news/stories...23-080752.html

<b>Secrecy Surrounds Cheney's Submarine Trip</b>

Vice President Visits Brevard County
Posted: 9:27 a.m. EDT July 23, 2002
Updated: 4:30 p.m. EDT July 23, 2002

PORT CANAVERAL, Fla. -- Vice President Dick Cheney woke up in a Cocoa Beach hotel Tuesday, and he took a trip off the the Central Florida coast aboard a nuclear-powered submarine.



The White House kept the itinerary of Cheney's unannounced visit a closely guarded secret, WESH NewsChannel 2 reported.
Cheney's movements have coincided with those of a nuclear submarine, but what happened aboard the U.S.S. Wyoming is not clear.

Dozens of motorcycle police officers from all over the region escorted Cheney through Cocoa Beach at about 7 a.m., police said.

As the sun was rising at Port Canaveral, the Navy submarine was waiting. And about 30 minutes after the motorcade arrived, the submarine moved out of the port, WESH NewsChannel 2 reported.

It's not uncommon for government officials to ride along on military ships or planes to observe their capabilities, and subs that visit Port Canaveral routinely come here to conduct practice launches of unarmed Trident nuclear-capable missiles, officials said.

But there seemed to be one important difference between Tuesday's submarine -- with Cheney rumored to be aboard -- and those that typically make those practice launches.

A tall mast is usually seen behind the submarine's sail or superstructure; the mast is required for practice launches, reports indicated.

The U.S.S. Wyoming left Tuesday morning with no mast behind the sail, so it's not clear what it was doing, according to WESH NewsChannel 2 reporter Dan Billow.

The Navy and the vice president's press office would not comment on the submarine's mission, and the Air Force said there are no unclassified launches scheduled Tuesday.

The vice president's press office said Cheney was in Florida Tuesday, and he should arrive back in Washington by about 6:30 p.m.

[FireStarted]

<i>But there seemed to be one important difference between Tuesday's submarine -- with Cheney rumored to be aboard -- and those that typically make those practice launches.

A tall mast is usually seen behind the submarine's sail or superstructure; the mast is required for practice launches, reports indicated.</i>

I'm not sure what they are talking about a mast on a sub....but wouldn't that be the equivlent of tying a bouy on to it with the inscription "Cheney on board"

Can someone explain??

"Like uh, G4"

"Oh NO you sank my battleship!!"

~FireStarted~

[Storm]

This is an open threat of the NWO US faction of what it intends or is contemplating if the truth continues to flow like a spicket.

Storm

[expose']

Knowing just a teeny bit about our subs......

I'd say if a person wanted some "real" secure communications equipment to relay info - a sub would be the place to do it. Would be like going to the moon to talk without anyone having the ability to eavesdrop! Now what he would want to communicate and to whom? I don't know.?

[hawkeye]

VERY Strange Indeed.

[hawkeye]

Mediterranean Class Starship like the Starship USS Wyoming mentioned in the Star Trek episode "Flashback"

http://www.wyomingtalesandtrails.com/trekiewyoming.gif

[Nikoli Krushev]

Well If I was the commander in chief and I wanted to communicate some really secret orders to the captain of a nuke sub....What did Rumsfeld say? "throwing war plans around like paper airplanes."

[teefleur]

Could it have anything to do with the testing of some new sonar? Seems I heard/read about that somewhere recently...

[hawkeye]

FWIW: There is a historical bond between Cheney and the USS Wyoming. There is in Wyoming, Cheney's "home" sate a U.S.S. Wyoming/Cheney Scholarship Fund. Maybe with all the recent pressures on him respecting Halliburton he felt the need to get away from it all.


">>>USS Wyoming / Dick Cheney Scholarship

Available to: Wyoming residents who are graduating or have graduated from an accredited high school in Wyoming and who will attend UW or a Wyoming community college.

Provided by: Secretary of Defense Richard Cheney/USS Wyoming Scholarship Fund.

Number of awards: Two.

http://siswww.uwyo.edu/sfa/schlbook/app.htm

[hawkeye]

The USS WYoming was Cristened on JULY 15, 1995. Maybe Cheney was invited for an anniversery sail.

http://www.defenselink.mil/news/Jul1..._bt379-95.html

[Rex Jackson]

Maybe he is delivering the "last resort" orders personally to avoid and misunderstandings (encase communications ever get severed).

Does Cheney have a military background?

Maybe this is where he is headed if the Sh/t hits the fan.

[hawkeye]

IS DANIEL J KAZUP Jr A LIAR OR IS THE USS WYOMING A TIME TRAVELER -- MONTAUK???????

This guy, a former Sub Commander claims on his resume to have been the Engine Room Supervisor on the USS Wyoming FROM 1990-1995. BUTTTTTTTT THE USS WYOMING WAS NOT CHRISTENED UNTIL JULY 15, 1995.

http://members.aol.com/dkazup/public/resume2.html

[BB]

Maybe we're going to attack Iraq within the next few days.

There is nothing about the sub returning or when Cheney will depart the sub....

[hawkeye]

bb,

The News Article says that Cheney's office says that he will be back in DC at 6:30pm EST

[night driver]

Uh Hawkeye, at what point in construction does a nuke sub rate an engine room supervisor?? I seem to recall it as being a fair piece before christening....

Chuck

[CTCStrela]

There have been more than one nuclear balistic missile subs christened Wyoming. He was probably on the older polaris-class one.

[CTCStrela]

My bad, the ohio class one is the first wyoming ssbn. Hmmph.

[hawkeye]

Maybe he was involved with the construction which began in 1990.

No big deal. Just thought it was "funny".

I find this Cheney Sub Ride intriguing. I can understand why his itinerary and ride was kept secret before-hand, but not after he was there or left. A simple press release would suffuce, e.g. VP Dick Cheney observed the latest bla bla bla...,etc

That the Wyoming's primary function is the launch of ballistic as opposed to cruise missiles is disturbing if the visit is somehow related to Iraq.

[Rex Jackson]

Maybe he went Al-Qaeda hunting.
I would....

[Delta]

"Does Cheney have a military background? "

Gee, wasn't he secretary of defense during the Gulf War? Sounds like a military background to me.

Somehow putting the VP on a sub with an escort of motorcycle cops from all over the area doesn't sound too secret.

This does not sound too suspicious to me. Probably just a fact finding trip to see how far down the stock market can go.

[alchemike]

now that is definitely the scariest thing i've heard in quite a while...

o)<

mike

[hawkeye]

Is a nuclear submarine a logical place for a man with a pronouned heart problem to take a "joy-ride". Is the air pressure in a sub higher or lower than surface, etc.?? Would it effect his blood-pressure or heart rate?

[Rex Jackson]

I ment a hands on positions.

[hawkeye]

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"The Navy and the vice president's press office would not comment on the submarine's mission, and the Air Force said there are no unclassified launches scheduled Tuesday. "

????????????????????????????????????????????

[hawkeye]

Looks like that TV NEWS Story starting this thread was written by an idiot!!!!!!!!! Nothing like a little POP-TV NEWS ENTERTAINMENT !!!!!!!!! THEY SHOULD FIRE THAT REPORTER

THE TV STATION THAT BROADCAST THE STORY AND PUBLISHED A WRITTEN VERSION ON ITS WEBSITE SAYS IT WAS UPDATED AT 4:03 PM


-- HERE'S THE AP WIRE ON AT FROM 11:04AM

Cheney Visits Nuclear Sub

Tuesday, July 23, 2002; 11:04 AM

WASHINGTON –– Vice President Dick Cheney on Tuesday toured a nuclear submarine named after his home state.

Cheney was in Cape Canaveral, Fla., to tour the USS Wyoming and be briefed about the Navy's nuclear program, spokeswoman Jennifer Millerwise said. The event was closed to the press and public.

"He wanted to spend some time on a nuclear sub. He hasn't been on one since he was defense secretary," she said.

Cheney, who was in Alabama on Monday, was returning to Washington late Tuesday

NOTE THAT AS OF 4:03PM THE TV NEWS VERSION SAID: "The Navy and the vice president's press office would not comment on the submarine's mission, and the Air Force said there are no unclassified launches scheduled Tuesday."

CASE CLOSED AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED.

[Squid]

Engine Room Supervisor is an enlisted rating. Not usually held by Commander's unless later they OCS or Academy to bigger and better things. I know this because I wer 1.

The highest engineering watch in engineering is Engineroom Watch Supervisor (usually chief).

The officers are Engineering Officers of the Watch or The Engineering Officer, or Weapons Officer, or Navigator, or Executive Officer or Commanding Officer.

That said, a submarine is not like an airplane and its not pressurized so there is no risk there. But if he flies around AF1 would this be a problem anyway????

Maybe he was just out for a joy ride. Heck one of the perks of being VP or P is you can just about decide to ride any toy in the DOD (known or not).

Timing makes you go hhhmmmmmmmm.

[magnetic1]

OK, it's all in innocence. ..........

My big question is what did it cost me?? My kids?? Their kids??

[Grizzly]

I think he is either recharging his pacemaker with the reactor or is avoiding getting served with a subpoena for the Haliburton deal

[bigwavedave]

Originally posted by Rex Jackson

Does Cheney have a military background?

does former Sec of Defense count?

watch out japanese students! ole dick hasn't been out much lately so who knows what he'll try!

Probably just a fact finding trip to see how far down the stock market can go.

Delta, i've been watching you and now i'm convinced - you bad!

[truthseeker]

maybe he is is kicking off the wargames slated to start in hours. Looks like the war games maybe more widespread that we thought. Notice the theme of the wargames. Often time wargames are scheduled as a mask to the mobilazation for first strike.


http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp...um_challenge_1

Mock battle in Southern California and Nevada to test military technology


SAN DIEGO - Preparations are underway in Southern California and Nevada for one of the largest military experiment in U.S. history designed to help troops prepare for future wars.

Beginning next week, about 13,500 troops from the Army, Navy, Air Force and Marines will use the latest in military hardware in a simulation of what planners believe the battlefield could look like in five years.

The troops will play out scenario involving simulated weapons of mass destruction, urban warfare, the United Nations ( news - web sites) and humanitarian relief over three weeks during the so-called Millennium Challenge 2002.

The Joint Forces Command, operating in Suffolk, Virginia, is coordinating the experiments off the coast of San Diego and at bases in Southern California and Nevada.

The experiments are the fruits of a drive to transform the military from a heavy, mechanized force designed to fight the Soviet Union into mobile, high-tech troops that can deliver swift hammer blows to a different kind of enemy.

"In the Persian Gulf, it took us months and months to stage forces and stockpile logistics," said Tony Billings, a spokesman for Joint Forces Command. "New concepts are designed to cut down on that preparation time dramatically and position U.S. forces so that they're capable of rapidly and decisively striking at the enemy's center of gravity."

[alchemike]

solar activity tied to the markets, believe it or not...

but maybe these big flares also gonna zap cheney's heart...

or maybe it's just that he needs a place that is nice and dark...

because he can't stand the light that is starting to shine more and more frequently in his direction...

o)<

mike

[onderock]

ELF/Scalar related? Link:
http://www.cyberspaceorbit.com/dolphincom.htm

---onderock---

[Redeye]

Onderock, that is one very interesting link. Thanks.

Now, whether it has anything to do with Cheney's trip is another matter. Seems like he took one very short ride.

R

[ainitfunny]

Did not notice anywhere in any of the articles anything mentioning what time the Submarine returned to it's berth with the Vice President. Was the Sub going to take him back to D.C.? Is he still aboard? Was he perhaps picked up by heliocopter at sea? Still some story missing, I think.

[hawkeye]

According to the Associated Press, Cheney was scheduled to return to D.C. "late Tuesday". I assume that means Tuesday of this week, otherwise now known as yesterday.

[hawkeye]

Veep zips lip as probers dig
Plans to stay mum till old firm cleared


By THOMAS M. DeFRANK
DAILY NEWS WASHINGTON BUREAU CHIEF




WASHINGTON - Vice President Cheney, the administration's indispensable damage-control point man, has muzzled himself - with the reluctant approval of his boss.

Sources told the Daily News yesterday that with the urging of his lawyers, Cheney has scaled back his crucial public cheerleading role until a Securities and Exchange Commission investigation of Halliburton's accounting practices while Cheney was chairman and CEO has been resolved.

"Contrary to the urgings of some, including the President, he's decided to lower his profile," one official said. "He doesn't want anybody to say later that he was out there trying to jawbone the [SEC] case away."

Cheney isn't exactly disappearing - he has several public events each week and a heavy schedule of campaigning for GOP candidates. But as for media appearances and the Sunday talk show circuit, a second source said he's becoming invisible: "He's not going to be doing anything for a while."

Avoiding the media

His handlers have alerted local Republican organizers that Cheney won't be holding any "press avails" and have instructed his advance staff to make sure his movements don't bring him near the media.

Yesterday, Cheney was in Florida touring the Wyoming, a nuclear submarine named for his home state. The event didn't appear on his schedule and was closed to the public and press.

It's not clear how long Cheney's public silence will last. SEC investigations can take months, even years.

Bush is reliably described as disappointed but resigned that Cheney, perhaps the most authoritative and soothing public voice in the government, is essentially out of action at a time when public confidence in Bush's handling of the economy is steadily slipping.

"The President doesn't want one of his principal assets to go underground," said a well-placed source. "But he also understands that Cheney's got to make the call."

The veep has assured confidants that he has nothing to fear from the SEC's probe of his stewardship of Halliburton from 1995 to 2000. "He made the right decisions at the time based on the information he had available," said one source familiar with his view.

Not targeted in probe

In May, the SEC opened an investigation of Halliburton's accounting practices, which critics have suggested may have inflated profits at the giant Dallas-based oil services conglomerate. There is no allegation of any wrongdoing on Cheney's part. He is not a subject of the investigation and as of yesterday had not been contacted by the agency. But SEC Chairman Harvey Pitt said last week that nobody, including the vice president, will get a pass.

"The Halliburton thing is a nothingburger," said one official. "It will blow over - but until then, he's being careful."

Cheney also is trying to avoid offering a larger target to Democrats, who have gleefully tried to link him to a string of corporate excesses that have rocked the country and fueled the stock market slide.

Cheney's lawyers, Terry O'Donnell and David Addington, are described as extremely cautious and have urged Cheney not to speak out on Halliburton - or anything else that might inadvertently complicate matters with the SEC.

"It's a sound legal strategy," one source close to Cheney observed, "but as a political strategy it's not helpful."

In recent months, he has stepped up his heavy campaign travel schedule for Republican candidates and expects to have made 60 appearances by Election Day, Nov. 5.

In the West Wing, Cheney continues to be involved in almost every aspect of policymaking. Aides said he has counseled his colleagues to take the long view of current woes, believing the administration is suffering through a short-term cycle that will turn before it does lasting damage.

One Bush aide notes that Cheney's pep talks have helped White House morale - "but it's not where he's needed most right now."

http://www.nydailynews.com/front/story/5573p-5134c.html

[hawkeye]

In today's daily White House Press Conference (on now) Ari Fleischer stated, in response to a question, that the above article from the Daily News about Cheney going into "hiding" is "inaccurate"

[ainitfunny]

I repeat, did anybody report seeing the sub return to it's berth with Cheney? Or, has Cheney made a public appearance anywhere since leaving on the sub?

[A.T.Hagan]

From a left field perspective:

Perhaps the VP is going out to do something that *requires* a submarine and the Wyoming was the one on the Atlantic coast that was handiest?

Now what could be out there in the Atlantic/Caribbean that the VP would need a submarine to go do?

.....Alan (or it could be for another reason altogether)