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Old 11-05-2009, 06:42 PM
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Obama's latest apology is to Native Americans

Is there ANYTHING that this bastard thinks the US has done right?

Obama pledges new relationship with Native Americans
November 5, 2009 5:46 p.m. EST

President Obama spoke before representatives of 386 tribes at a White House Tribal Nations Conference.




STORY HIGHLIGHTS
Representatives from 386 tribes gather for White House Tribal Conference
Obama acknowledges government misdeeds, vows "you will not be forgotten"
Many tribal chiefs ask for help on problems facing their people
Obama memorandum asks agencies for ideas on improving tribal participation
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Washington (CNN) -- President Obama said Thursday that the federal government was guilty of mistreating Native Americans in the past and promised to forge a new relationship between the federal government and tribal leaders.

"You deserve to have a voice," Obama told representatives of 386 tribes at a White House Tribal Nations Conference. "You will not be forgotten as long as I'm in this White House."

Obama signed a memorandum directing federal agencies to submit recommendations within 90 days on how best to improve tribal participation in key government policy decisions.

Leaders of all 564 federally recognized tribes were invited to the daylong meeting.

Interior Minister Ken Salazar and other Cabinet members participated in the conference, which focused on the challenges and priorities of the tribal leaders and their people.

Obama acknowledged misdeeds by the U.S. government in dealing with Native Americans.

"We know the history that we share," Obama said. "It's a history marked by violence and disease and deprivation. Treaties were violated. Promises were broken. You were told your lands, your religion, your cultures, your languages were not yours to keep."

In addition, he said, the federal government failed to properly consult Native American leaders and communities on what they needed, leading to current conditions that include unemployment up to 80 percent on some reservations, roughly 25 percent of Native Americans living in poverty and more than 10 percent of reservation homes lacking electricity or safe water supplies.

During a question-and-answer session with conference participants, the tribal chiefs welcomed Obama and thanked him for his leadership, with many asking for his help on problems facing their people.

Bill Martin, president of the Tlingit-Haida Indian tribes of Alaska, noted that the suicide rate for Native American men between 15 and 27 years old in the state was 12 times the national average.

"It's a serious issue, and we hope that we can be able to provide more funding to combat suicide," Martin said.

Others asked for help on securing land rights, improving education and other social issues.

"I want to give you my solemn guarantee that this is not the end of the process but the beginning of the process and that we are going to follow up," Obama said to applause in his closing remarks to the conference. "We are going to keep on working with you to make sure that the first Americans get the best possible chances in life."

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Old 11-05-2009, 07:04 PM
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Ok, while i will agree the indians got more than their fair share of the shaft...they all know it, everyone in the US knows it, and the .gov knows it... Right now they are being pretty well taken care of all other things aside...
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Old 11-05-2009, 07:24 PM
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Ok, while i will agree the indians got more than their fair share of the shaft...they all know it, everyone in the US knows it, and the .gov knows it... Right now they are being pretty well taken care of all other things aside...
Except for a few casinos that a lot of Indians DO NOT WANT, they are not being pretty well taken care of.
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Old 11-05-2009, 07:29 PM
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Except for a few casinos that a lot of Indians DO NOT WANT, they are not being pretty well taken care of.
Oh, please! They get every frickin' thing they want! Free land, free education, job preference.....the list is endless.
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Old 11-05-2009, 07:43 PM
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IMO he should get them off government healthcare. The care they get is bad,soon we will have it to. While some Indians do prosper the ones I grew up near lived in a horrible environment and poverty is a bid problem as well as their health.
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Old 11-05-2009, 07:46 PM
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Every frickin' thing they want?

You've obviously never been to Pine Ridge.
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Old 11-05-2009, 07:52 PM
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The tribes in my area are making out real well on the millions of dollars of reparations they get. In addition to the gov money they rake in, they make tons off the casinos, gas stations, cig stores, and other investments. They are doing so well that the current chief made the statement that they are going to buy back the land that the white man stole from them and they are doing it with the white mans money.

They have a summer work program where they insure summer jobs for teens, they give school kids money for school every year, they do a lot for the tribal members, including building new homes for them and a monthly income for each member in addition to a months worth of healthy food. They just built a new health clinic that my DIL goes to, it's very nice with great care. Overall, they are doing real good. I wish to heck I had a CDIB card, a few of those benefits would go a long way towards living a better life.

They better be careful if they get involved with the current administration or they'll end up in the same condition as the banks, autos, and everything else the gov touches.
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Old 11-05-2009, 08:10 PM
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Oh, please! They get every frickin' thing they want! Free land, free education, job preference.....the list is endless.

Oh PUHLEEZE BBBD....

EVERYBODY JSUT KNOWS that there are absolutly NO white kids that are suffering from hunger AND poverty AND disease!!!


The utter GALL of you to even QUESTION the plights of the other colors of this nation!!! May you be strung up and hung up and HANGED for your BLASPHEMY!!!
Afterall..its perfectly FINE for the WHITE kid to grow up and be EXPECTED to BETTER HIMSELF...its perfectly FINE for the WHITE kids to grow up and expect NOTHING and NO help and NO ASSISTANCE from ANYONE.....

and IF the white kid FAILS then by GOD its HIS fault and he is WHITE TRASH because he lives in a TRAILER PARK....



and this is spoken from a girl on tribal roll from a Mississpi band of CHOCTAWs...Alabama Cherokee Creek/and a splah of gosh--damned GERMAN......

so many people speak things they know NOTHING about....


don't give me no crap about how Indians are 'suffering'.....they'll tell you themselves that they know how to PLAY the frickin system and make YOU feel sorry for them.
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Could it have something to do with this? The timing is what gets me...

Iran opposition to apologise to US for embassy siege

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In a gesture likely to provoke fury among hardliners in the Tehran regime, they will apologise on Wednesday for the hostage crisis that gripped the world for 444 days and led to a decisive break between Iran and the US, which is now routinely denounced as "the Great Satan".

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Oh PUHLEEZE BBBD....

EVERYBODY JSUT KNOWS that there are absolutly NO white kids that are suffering from hunger AND poverty AND disease!!!


The utter GALL of you to even QUESTION the plights of the other colors of this nation!!! May you be strung up and hung up and HANGED for your BLASPHEMY!!!
Afterall..its perfectly FINE for the WHITE kid to grow up and be EXPECTED to BETTER HIMSELF...its perfectly FINE for the WHITE kids to grow up and expect NOTHING and NO help and NO ASSISTANCE from ANYONE.....

and IF the white kid FAILS then by GOD its HIS fault and he is WHITE TRASH because he lives in a TRAILER PARK....



and this is spoken from a girl on tribal roll from a Mississpi band of CHOCTAWs...Alabama Cherokee Creek/and a splah of gosh--damned GERMAN......

so many people speak things they know NOTHING about....


don't give me no crap about how Indians are 'suffering'.....they'll tell you themselves that they know how to PLAY the frickin system and make YOU feel sorry for them.
You are exactly right. I will never forget having to shoot pool 30 years ago, at the tavern 1 mile from the reservation and listening to this gal whine about she only got a thousand a month to live on.......and I was getting by on under 300 bucks. The tribe closest to me is so bad. They would come to the bar and when they had everything torn up and everyone afraid.......lots of knives......and were full, they would say that it was time to go back to their people. Treat us all like dirt. Maybe all reservations aren't like this one but if they are, time for them to assimilate!

I want my white sons to get the same advantages with schooling as they do! Should be so lucky!
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Old 11-05-2009, 08:31 PM
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Oh PUHLEEZE BBBD....

EVERYBODY JSUT KNOWS that there are absolutly NO white kids that are suffering from hunger AND poverty AND disease!!!


The utter GALL of you to even QUESTION the plights of the other colors of this nation!!! May you be strung up and hung up and HANGED for your BLASPHEMY!!!
Afterall..its perfectly FINE for the WHITE kid to grow up and be EXPECTED to BETTER HIMSELF...its perfectly FINE for the WHITE kids to grow up and expect NOTHING and NO help and NO ASSISTANCE from ANYONE.....

and IF the white kid FAILS then by GOD its HIS fault and he is WHITE TRASH because he lives in a TRAILER PARK....



and this is spoken from a girl on tribal roll from a Mississpi band of CHOCTAWs...Alabama Cherokee Creek/and a splah of gosh--damned GERMAN......

so many people speak things they know NOTHING about....


don't give me no crap about how Indians are 'suffering'.....they'll tell you themselves that they know how to PLAY the frickin system and make YOU feel sorry for them.
lol...that was an enjoyable read!
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Old 11-05-2009, 08:46 PM
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You are exactly right. I will never forget having to shoot pool 30 years ago, at the tavern 1 mile from the reservation and listening to this gal whine about she only got a thousand a month to live on.......and I was getting by on under 300 bucks. The tribe closest to me is so bad. They would come to the bar and when they had everything torn up and everyone afraid.......lots of knives......and were full, they would say that it was time to go back to their people. Treat us all like dirt. Maybe all reservations aren't like this one but if they are, time for them to assimilate!

I want my white sons to get the same advantages with schooling as they do! Should be so lucky!
My older brother has used the 'system' so much that he has doctorates in EVERYTHING from BS to not BS and he STILL ain't got a dime to his name...

what was offered HE took advantage of.
He is a real true life certified STUPID GENIOUS in that he is SO smart he is STUPID. Don't get me wrong, I'd take a bullet for him, but DAYEM, ya so smart, you KNOW what DotGuv is up to, SPREAD it around!!!!!

He won't though.
Because he soooo busy writing a book about Al Gore and his LIES that he (my brother) is FORGETTING that time marches on....and we all know...there is LITTLE time left....

peace out...
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When is the IiC gonna apologize for his abuse of everyone else....real everyday Americans?
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FOR THE RECORD, the US government seriously attempted genocide of the nativa Americans in the 1800's. They, more than all the other groups the chocolate Messiah has apologized to, DESERVE the apology.
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and this is spoken from a girl on tribal roll from a Mississpi band of CHOCTAWs...Alabama Cherokee Creek/and a splah of gosh--damned GERMAN......
The Choctaw Reservation is about 40 miles from where I live. Got a couple of questions if you don't mind. Can you speak the Choctaw language? And is it a written language?

I've lived around them all my life and don't know a single word in their language but they know Choctaw and English fluently.... and they have fun with that. I've seen people going to the casinos there for the first time that fooled (easily) into believing that the majority doesn't know English...love watching them try to communicate! I'll walk by when the visitors go on and laugh and tell the Choctaw guy/girl "Don't even play me like that, I know better" and we'll both get a good laugh.

That's one thing I don't think a lot of people know, Choctaws have a big sense of humor and aren't afraid to use it!

....just wish I knew what they were saying to me when I walk off....they sure get a laugh from it....


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FOR THE RECORD, the US government seriously attempted genocide of the nativa Americans in the 1800's. They, more than all the other groups the chocolate Messiah has apologized to, DESERVE the apology.

You have a point...
NOW what is OBAMA's POINT???? He is buddying up with the minorities...

He's making FRIENDS.
DEMONIZING the ones of NO 'color'...aka----YOU....and UNTIL he proves DIFFERENT, I stand by what I just said.
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Emotions aside..

Read what the CiC actually says. He promises no real action, just that a "process" will occur.. No action, nothing of substance. Just Obama making statements.

Yesterday, he promised 4 billion for public schools for some competition he has in mind. So Obama has money for stuff and pet programs. But he has no money for anything for these 500+ tribes who dropped in for lunch. Just words...

But it feels good. And it makes some BIA folks feel needed.

Whatever side of the fence you sit on, Obama did nothing today. Admitting he is sorry can't buy anyone anything at 7-11 tonight can it? So unless there is a plan and a monetary pledge to support any plans he has, this was a feel good party and photo op for Obama and his Interior Sec.

Go back to your rants and arguments.
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The Choctaw Reservation is about 40 miles from where I live. Got a couple of questions if you don't mind. Can you speak the Choctaw language? And is it a written language?

I've lived around them all my life and don't know a single word in their language but they know Choctaw and English fluently.... and they have fun with that. I've seen people going to the casinos there for the first time that fooled (easily) into believing that the majority doesn't know English...love watching them try to communicate! I'll walk by when the visitors go on and laugh and tell the Choctaw guy/girl "Don't even play me like that, I know better" and we'll both get a good laugh.

That's one thing I don't think a lot of people know, Choctaws have a big sense of humor and aren't afraid to use it!

....just wish I knew what they were saying to me when I walk off....they sure get a laugh from it....


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Truly not being a wise-butt...
but latinos, italians, germans...etc...do the SAME thing all the time...and yes, while I don't claim to have an upper hand on the 3 Indian bloods that dwell within me, I can say, in Englsh, LOVE YA. Mean it. And can we GET THIS COUNTRY BACK???
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The Choctaw Reservation is about 40 miles from where I live. Got a couple of questions if you don't mind. Can you speak the Choctaw language? And is it a written language?

I've lived around them all my life and don't know a single word in their language but they know Choctaw and English fluently.... and they have fun with that. I've seen people going to the casinos there for the first time that fooled (easily) into believing that the majority doesn't know English...love watching them try to communicate! I'll walk by when the visitors go on and laugh and tell the Choctaw guy/girl "Don't even play me like that, I know better" and we'll both get a good laugh.

That's one thing I don't think a lot of people know, Choctaws have a big sense of humor and aren't afraid to use it!

....just wish I knew what they were saying to me when I walk off....they sure get a laugh from it....


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My great grandmother was a Choctaw. A story I've heard all my life is that she'd walk from Mississippi to East Texas every year. Of course I don't believe that story, but it's kind of neat to pretend you believe it. Unfortunately I know nothing of the Choctaws including the language. She and my grandmother both were long gone before I arrived.
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My great grandmother was a Choctaw. A story I've heard all my life is that she'd walk from Mississippi to East Texas every year. Of course I don't believe that story, but it's kind of neat to pretend you believe it. Unfortunately I know nothing of the Choctaws including the language. She and my grandmother both were long gone before I arrived.

I don't understand why this is s hard to believe.....its really not that far in the scope of things if ya think about it....
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I don't understand why this is s hard to believe.....its really not that far in the scope of things if ya think about it....
Maybe you are right then, and I do have a neat family story to share.
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I am part Indian and I know plenty of Indians.

I know the Tungva nation in California have declared extinct by Uncle Sam when there are thousands of them in Cali. They are fighting for their nation; trying to keep their language together; and they do not want casinos.

The gov tried to force the Navajos in Arizona, off their land a few years ago because coal was discovered on it. They were persecuted by black ops helicopters, their livestock was shot and they tried to starve them off of their land.

This stuff goes on all the time but the media only hypes the Casino carp.
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The libtards will not rest until the entire country is one big reservation. If you want to know what life in the brave new world will be like, visit a reservation near you and look around.
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This latest "apology" ... is about the ONLY one he got right...

To me though, it is all just lip service ...
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FOR THE RECORD, the US government seriously attempted genocide of the nativa Americans in the 1800's. They, more than all the other groups the chocolate Messiah has apologized to, DESERVE the apology.
Baloney. How much is enough? When does it get ridiculous?

We're sorry already. Now can we please give it a rest and get back to "we're all Americans"?

I'm sorry we took land from the Indians. I'm sorry some of our forefathers had slaves. I'm sorry I was mean to little Sally in high school.

That fool of a president doesn't have a clue what he's babbling about.

Now let's all move on, can we?
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[quote=Ender;3549333]Except for a few casinos that a lot of Indians DO NOT WANT, they are not being pretty well taken care of.[/QUOTEamen your right, they are not being taken care of.
I do hope they realize he speaks with a forked tongue.
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Except for a few casinos that a lot of Indians DO NOT WANT, they are not being pretty well taken care of.
Why do they need Government aid?
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Baloney. How much is enough? When does it get ridiculous?

We're sorry already. Now can we please give it a rest and get back to "we're all Americans"?

I'm sorry we took land from the Indians. I'm sorry some of our forefathers had slaves. I'm sorry I was mean to little Sally in high school.

That fool of a president doesn't have a clue what he's babbling about.

Now let's all move on, can we?
Why be sorry for the actions of the past, I think the monguls should apologise for Genghis Khan. The Romans should apologise for driving the Jews out of Israel. The vikings should apologise for invading Britain. More recently the Russians should apologise for Stalinism and invading E Europe, The Chinese for killing off millions and invading Tibet.
Idi Amin for driving out the Asians, Mengistu for genocide in Ethiopia, Mugabwe for driving out the white farmers in Zim and murdering thousands of opponents.

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I guess you would have to visit a res near you in order to SEE for yourself what is going on with Native Americans.

All that cash some have received...well...Just check out the res near you.

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The Choctaw Reservation is about 40 miles from where I live. Got a couple of questions if you don't mind. Can you speak the Choctaw language? And is it a written language?

I've lived around them all my life and don't know a single word in their language but they know Choctaw and English fluently.... and they have fun with that. I've seen people going to the casinos there for the first time that fooled (easily) into believing that the majority doesn't know English...love watching them try to communicate! I'll walk by when the visitors go on and laugh and tell the Choctaw guy/girl "Don't even play me like that, I know better" and we'll both get a good laugh.

That's one thing I don't think a lot of people know, Choctaws have a big sense of humor and aren't afraid to use it!

....just wish I knew what they were saying to me when I walk off....they sure get a laugh from it....


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Old 11-06-2009, 05:28 AM
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I guess you would have to visit a res near you in order to SEE for yourself what is going on with Native Americans.

All that cash some have received...well...Just check out the res near you.

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I live in the UK so have no idea, its not a subject that is aired on the media over here.

But what do the NA's want, federal money or to be left alone, what would fed money be spent on to create a sustainable NA society, what do the NAs themselves have to do?
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Old 11-06-2009, 06:00 AM
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Long story

White man come.

Fought natives for land. (Separate story here)

Natives lost.

Lost war and lands.

Went alcoholic. (separate story here)

White man had little to do with natives. (Racial divide)

Induns (Indians) lost all way 'round.

Sad story. Some say "we won, you lost" True. But what they lost was the whole country. They lost self respect. (some)

When a race is conquered completely, that race never (almost never) makes it back to previous levels.

Lots of things wrong. Both sides.

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Old 11-06-2009, 06:17 AM
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Ok, while i will agree the indians got more than their fair share of the shaft...they all know it, everyone in the US knows it, and the .gov knows it... Right now they are being pretty well taken care of all other things aside...

Um, Indian reservations are some of the poorest places in the US. The ones that happen to be in tribes that have thriving casinos are doing somewhat OK, but the many, many tribes that do not can look like third world countries. And the ones that have casinos don't get as much "cash back" as you think they do.

These are some of those beautiful mansions you think they live in:


Should we be helping the poverty there, sure, but not because they are Indians. It goes on all over the US. The "paybacks" we have given them over the years has destroyed them in my opinion because they think they need to stay on the reservation to get those benefits instead of going out into the world and making a life as an American. There is no reason why they would "lose" their heritage if they went off the reservation. The Italians, Germans, Chinese and Latinos didnt lose their heritage when they fled their own lands to the US for a better life. It just takes work to keep the language and customs alive.
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Old 11-06-2009, 06:36 AM
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I have nothing against Indians but this idea that Americans, whites in particular, are the ultimate in evil and everyone else is altruistic is complete BS.

General Miles blows off American Indian myths

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gew_V-f8IHk
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Old 11-06-2009, 07:02 AM
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handicapped people have a struggle all their life simply because they were born that way, but they work at life. white people in appalachia struggle because they were born there and won't leave because all their ancestors lived in those mountains.let them starve and be miserable. the indians, the blacks, the list goes on and on,people who have a complaint against life and want others to compensate them for something that happened to their ancestors years ago. let them starve and be miserable. the only way they can change the situation is not Obama, it is themselves. if they won't do it, let them starve and be miserable. I'm 68, and I'm still working. I wish I could quit, but things keep getting worse, if I don't hustle, I would probably starve and be miserable!
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Old 11-06-2009, 07:12 AM
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Richard

Long story

White man come.

Fought natives for land. (Separate story here)

Natives lost.

Lost war and lands.

Went alcoholic. (separate story here)

White man had little to do with natives. (Racial divide)

Induns (Indians) lost all way 'round.

Sad story. Some say "we won, you lost" True. But what they lost was the whole country. They lost self respect. (some)

When a race is conquered completely, that race never (almost never) makes it back to previous levels.

Lots of things wrong. Both sides.

lw
OK given that the English have fought the Germans twice in the last century, I don't bear a grudge against them, the Germans lost 2 world wars and were devastated in both wars but twice they recovered within a short period, they are now one of the most wealthy countries in the world. Afterwards the biggest blow to W Germany was reunification which cost dearly, the biggest blow to E Germany was communism. The Germans have recovered from all these major setbacks.

What is the answer, to have Indian banks, businesses, commercial farming on Indian lands? Or what?
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Old 11-06-2009, 07:12 AM
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Should we be helping the poverty there, sure, but not because they are Indians. It goes on all over the US. The "paybacks" we have given them over the years has destroyed them in my opinion because they think they need to stay on the reservation to get those benefits instead of going out into the world and making a life as an American. There is no reason why they would "lose" their heritage if they went off the reservation. The Italians, Germans, Chinese and Latinos didnt lose their heritage when they fled their own lands to the US for a better life. It just takes work to keep the language and customs alive.
They lose their land and the many benefits they have if they leave the rez.
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Old 11-06-2009, 07:24 AM
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I agree with dennis in that if anyone, Native Americans deserve an American appology. However, most of what I see on this thread is division among all Americans and I think that makes Berry very very happy.
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