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Terri Schiavo thread for 3/22/05
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Judge refuses to order Schiavo's feeding tube reinserted
Tuesday, March 22, 2005 Posted: 6:50 AM EST (1150 GMT)
http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/03/22/schiavo/index.html
TAMPA, Florida (CNN) -- A federal judge in Florida has ruled that he will not order a feeding tube reinserted to Terri Schiavo, a brain-damaged woman who is the center of a national legal battle over her life.
The case likely will be appealed to the 11th Circuit Court of Appeals in Atlanta, Georgia.
Schiavo has been without food or water since Friday, when her feeding tube was removed by a state judge who ruled that her husband has the right to decide her fate.
The ruling by U.S. District Judge James Whittemore came after Congress and President Bush enacted legislation aimed at allowing federal courts to review Schiavo's case.
On one side of the wrenching case is Michael Schiavo, Terri Schiavo's husband. He insists that his wife would never want to continue to live in her current condition -- what Florida courts have deemed a "persistent vegetative state."
People in a persistent vegetative state cannot think, speak or respond to commands and are not aware of their surroundings.
Terri Schiavo, now 41, collapsed in her home in 1990, suffering from heart failure that led to severe brain damage. Michael Schiavo said his wife suffered from bulimia that resulted in a potassium deficiency that triggered the heart failure
Michael Schiavo is vowing to carry through with what he calls his wife's wish not to live in such a condition, saying, "I will stick by Terri."
"When Terri's wishes are carried out, it will be her wish. She'll be at peace, she'll be with the Lord," Michael Schiavo said on Monday. "This is what Terri wants. She does not want to be in this condition. She does not want to exist in this condition, and I'm going to carry out what she wanted."
But Terri Schiavo's parents point to the absence of a "living will," or written document, clearly spelling out her wishes. They argue that their daughter's due-process rights have been violated and that she, as a Roman Catholic, would not have wanted to die.
They also contend that their daughter's condition could improve with treatment.
Death could come within two weeks
Doctors have said Terri Schiavo could live for one to two weeks without her feeding tube.
Her parents, Bob and Mary Schindler, are facing an uphill battle. Repeated court rulings have held that Michael Schiavo is his wife's legal guardian and therefore has the right to make decisions regarding her care.
But at a hearing Monday, Judge Whittemore grilled the Schindlers' attorney about the constitutionality of their case.
Michael Schiavo was not at Monday's federal hearing, instead opting to remain at Terri Schiavo's bedside. He said it is going to be "hard" when she finally dies.
"I've cried many tears so far, trust me," he said. "I made a promise to Terri. I'm going to stick by her side, and I'm going to do this for her. Terri is not a piece of property that you pass back and forth. She didn't say, 'Well, when I become sick, give me back to my parents.' I will stick by Terri."
Michael Schiavo and his attorney, George Felos, said Terri made it clear years ago that she would not want to live in such a condition -- even though she never made a "living will." They said she once made the comment to her best friend after they saw an emotional movie in which one of the characters was in such a state.
"She said, 'No tubes for me,'" Michael Schiavo said.
Asked if he would feel bad if his wife died and medical experts later figured out a way for Terri to live a better life, Michael Schiavo said that was a medical impossibility.
"Let's be realistic, Larry. You can't re-grow a brain," he said.
Meanwhile, outside the hospice where Terri is staying, her brother thanked supporters on behalf of the family and said they remain optimistic her feeding tube will be reinserted.
At the same time, he said it is disturbing to visit his sister without the feeding tube in.
"She's still alert, but we're going on four days now and we're slowly watching my sister being starved to death," Bobby Schindler said. "It's a surreal situation when you walk in there and you realize you're watching a loved one slowly being starved to death and dehydrated to death. It's hard to describe."
CNN's Ted Barrett, Bob Franken and Terry Frieden contributed to this report.
Tuesday, March 22, 2005 Posted: 6:50 AM EST (1150 GMT)
http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/03/22/schiavo/index.html
TAMPA, Florida (CNN) -- A federal judge in Florida has ruled that he will not order a feeding tube reinserted to Terri Schiavo, a brain-damaged woman who is the center of a national legal battle over her life.
The case likely will be appealed to the 11th Circuit Court of Appeals in Atlanta, Georgia.
Schiavo has been without food or water since Friday, when her feeding tube was removed by a state judge who ruled that her husband has the right to decide her fate.
The ruling by U.S. District Judge James Whittemore came after Congress and President Bush enacted legislation aimed at allowing federal courts to review Schiavo's case.
On one side of the wrenching case is Michael Schiavo, Terri Schiavo's husband. He insists that his wife would never want to continue to live in her current condition -- what Florida courts have deemed a "persistent vegetative state."
People in a persistent vegetative state cannot think, speak or respond to commands and are not aware of their surroundings.
Terri Schiavo, now 41, collapsed in her home in 1990, suffering from heart failure that led to severe brain damage. Michael Schiavo said his wife suffered from bulimia that resulted in a potassium deficiency that triggered the heart failure
Michael Schiavo is vowing to carry through with what he calls his wife's wish not to live in such a condition, saying, "I will stick by Terri."
"When Terri's wishes are carried out, it will be her wish. She'll be at peace, she'll be with the Lord," Michael Schiavo said on Monday. "This is what Terri wants. She does not want to be in this condition. She does not want to exist in this condition, and I'm going to carry out what she wanted."
But Terri Schiavo's parents point to the absence of a "living will," or written document, clearly spelling out her wishes. They argue that their daughter's due-process rights have been violated and that she, as a Roman Catholic, would not have wanted to die.
They also contend that their daughter's condition could improve with treatment.
Death could come within two weeks
Doctors have said Terri Schiavo could live for one to two weeks without her feeding tube.
Her parents, Bob and Mary Schindler, are facing an uphill battle. Repeated court rulings have held that Michael Schiavo is his wife's legal guardian and therefore has the right to make decisions regarding her care.
But at a hearing Monday, Judge Whittemore grilled the Schindlers' attorney about the constitutionality of their case.
Michael Schiavo was not at Monday's federal hearing, instead opting to remain at Terri Schiavo's bedside. He said it is going to be "hard" when she finally dies.
"I've cried many tears so far, trust me," he said. "I made a promise to Terri. I'm going to stick by her side, and I'm going to do this for her. Terri is not a piece of property that you pass back and forth. She didn't say, 'Well, when I become sick, give me back to my parents.' I will stick by Terri."
Michael Schiavo and his attorney, George Felos, said Terri made it clear years ago that she would not want to live in such a condition -- even though she never made a "living will." They said she once made the comment to her best friend after they saw an emotional movie in which one of the characters was in such a state.
"She said, 'No tubes for me,'" Michael Schiavo said.
Asked if he would feel bad if his wife died and medical experts later figured out a way for Terri to live a better life, Michael Schiavo said that was a medical impossibility.
"Let's be realistic, Larry. You can't re-grow a brain," he said.
Meanwhile, outside the hospice where Terri is staying, her brother thanked supporters on behalf of the family and said they remain optimistic her feeding tube will be reinserted.
At the same time, he said it is disturbing to visit his sister without the feeding tube in.
"She's still alert, but we're going on four days now and we're slowly watching my sister being starved to death," Bobby Schindler said. "It's a surreal situation when you walk in there and you realize you're watching a loved one slowly being starved to death and dehydrated to death. It's hard to describe."
CNN's Ted Barrett, Bob Franken and Terry Frieden contributed to this report.
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JUDGE RULES: DIE TERRY DIE!
Terry Schiavo must die per Judges ruling.
Husband finally kills wife. Will reap his long awaited financial reward.
Activist liberal judiciary proves it is totally out of control.
From - http://www.gopusa.com/commentary/brogoff/2005/bcr_02211.shtml
Michael Schiavo: Loving Husband or Monster?
By Bonnie Chernin Rogoff
February 21, 2005
As national pro-life groups and prominent leaders converged in vigils outside Woodside Hospice in Pinellas Park, Florida, Terri Schiavo is inside the building in her bed, still hooked up to the feeding tube that has been center-focus of this so-called "right-to-die" case for the past several years. Ms. Schiavo is profoundly disabled and cannot communicate with words at this time.
But she knows. She feels. There's expression in those eyes. Just one look at her in a video with her mother and everyone except the Scarecrow on his way to Oz knows it, too.
Recently, another presumed "brain-dead" woman made news in Kansas. In a coma after becoming the victim of a drunk driver, Sarah Scantlin snapped out of a twenty year silence and began to speak. Memories are now coming back to her. By legal definition, Miss Scantlin's life is valid. Yesterday, it was not. Was she ever in a persistent vegetative state, or PVS? She'd respond to questions by blinking once for no, twice for yes, but since she couldn't speak no one was ever sure she understood the questions.
That's the problem. No one is ever sure. The only ones who claim to know what's best for the profoundly disabled are those who seek to benefit the most by having them legally murdered.
On Monday, February 21, new hearings will commence before Judge Greer with regard to the Schiavo case. The Empire Journal reports that David Gibbs III, attorney representing Terri's parents Robert and Mary Schindler, will argue that new medical tests be ordered for Terri based upon a new brain imaging study published in the journal Neurology. These tests could determine whether Terri Schiavo is, in fact, in a PVS. Since Judge Greer believes she is, ruled to have her killed and has thus far refused the admission of any medical evidence that would save Terri's life, I'd be shocked to see him budge.
Greer has been acting in the dual role of judge and guardian ad litem. He previously denied a petition by Terri's parents that their daughter be given a swallowing test, and has denied them the right to visit Terri. He continues to promote the interests of Michael Schiavo by refusing Terri the right to independent counsel, a right which even serial killers like Ted Bundy received.
Whenever people discuss euthanasia, you'll always find those who will defend the odious practice. However, no one defends domestic violence. That leads to the 6 ft. 6 inch, 250 pound problem: Michael Schiavo. The evidence compiled against him suggests a history and pattern of domestic abuse against Terri and other women that is strong and significant. An immediate criminal investigation is warranted.
The main evidence comes from a bone scan taken on March 5, 1991. As Terri's guardian, Michael Schiavo denied her family access to Terri's records, the results of which were not made available until November, 2002. This scan indicated numerous broken bones in various stages of healing, including compressions fractures, a broken back, pelvis, ankle, bone bruises and ossifications.
Board certified radiologist Dr. Walker read the scan in 1991 and interpreted the results as abnormal, which he attributed to either an accident or earlier trauma. Based on the remodeling process of her bones, Dr. Walker stated in his deposition that a) the injuries indicated by the scan occurred on or around the time that Terri Schiavo collapsed; b) the abnormalities on the bone scan were not typical of someone suffering cardiac arrest and collapsing to the floor, and c) the fractures indicated by the bone scan are not typical of patients bedridden only thirteen months. As recorded in Dr. Walker's November 21, 2003 deposition, Terri might have been the victim of foul play via a blow to her body, being thrown into a sharp furniture corner, or assaulted with a blunt object.
On October 24, 2003, renowned forensic pathologist Dr. Michael Baden was interviewed by Greta van Susteren on Fox News. He disclosed that with low potassium and no elevated enzymes, it would be extremely rare for a young woman to collapse as Terri did from a heart attack. When asked what the bone injuries suggest to him, Dr. Baden replied, "Some kind of trauma. The trauma can be from a fall, or the trauma can be from some kind of beating that she obtained from somebody somewhere. It's something that should have been investigated in 1991 when these findings were found."
Other medical testimonies are in agreement. One medical expert testified that a diagnosis of a heart attack was never made. Another testified that Terri's rigid neck indicates she may have been the victim of strangulation. Psychiatrist and expert witness Carole E. Lieberman, M.D., M.P.H. offered preliminary thoughts and provided a chilling profile of Michael Schiavo as an abusive husband.
Prior to Terri's collapse, there were serious financial problems in her marriage and her husband Michael tried to control her behavior. He was fired from six jobs in two years, some of which he held only two weeks. They often lived on her income, which Michael often spent on himself. He monitored her odometer and isolated her from her family and friends. On the day of her collapse, Michael and Terri had a bad fight after he accused her of spending too much money at the hairdresser.
Dr. Lieberman concludes: "He (Michael) should most definitely be investigated as the perpetrator of the 'incident' that caused Terri's collapse and her current condition."
Michael Schiavo insists that Terri stated early in their marriage that she never would want to be kept on life support. Even if that were true, Terri is not on life support; she breathes on her own. Since Terri has no written will, everything Michael Schiavo says is hearsay. He violated numerous Florida statutes and the Americans for Disabilities Act by failing to perform his duties as his wife's guardian, most notably by denying his disabled wife basic medical care as part of a malpractice settlement award he received.
However, of all Michael's offensive actions against his wife, what I deem most suspicious was his decision to have Terri cremated immediately upon her demise. In all the documentation on this case, there is not a single account of Terri Schiavo having ever expressed a desire to be cremated. Michael's excuse is to say that she wouldn't want a standard burial because she "doesn't like bugs." I'm not buying. The likely reason is that Michael has something to hide -- like the cause of her numerous bone injuries, perhaps? -- and he doesn't want an autopsy to uncover any incriminating evidence.
So, what really happened on February 25, 1990? We know that Terri fell in her home and sustained serious injuries. We know that Michael Schiavo, who was trained in CPR, oddly did not administer CPR to his wife. We know for the past fifteen years his only mission has been to deny any rehabilitation for Terri.
Dr. Carole Lieberman observed, "If Terri were to be allowed to die, as Michael has been desperately struggling to achieve for years, it could help him escape detection. This would be a grave miscarriage of justice."
That's exactly the way Michael Schiavo and the Florida judicial system want it.
Terry Schiavo must die per Judges ruling.
Husband finally kills wife. Will reap his long awaited financial reward.
Activist liberal judiciary proves it is totally out of control.
From - http://www.gopusa.com/commentary/brogoff/2005/bcr_02211.shtml
Michael Schiavo: Loving Husband or Monster?
By Bonnie Chernin Rogoff
February 21, 2005
As national pro-life groups and prominent leaders converged in vigils outside Woodside Hospice in Pinellas Park, Florida, Terri Schiavo is inside the building in her bed, still hooked up to the feeding tube that has been center-focus of this so-called "right-to-die" case for the past several years. Ms. Schiavo is profoundly disabled and cannot communicate with words at this time.
But she knows. She feels. There's expression in those eyes. Just one look at her in a video with her mother and everyone except the Scarecrow on his way to Oz knows it, too.
Recently, another presumed "brain-dead" woman made news in Kansas. In a coma after becoming the victim of a drunk driver, Sarah Scantlin snapped out of a twenty year silence and began to speak. Memories are now coming back to her. By legal definition, Miss Scantlin's life is valid. Yesterday, it was not. Was she ever in a persistent vegetative state, or PVS? She'd respond to questions by blinking once for no, twice for yes, but since she couldn't speak no one was ever sure she understood the questions.
That's the problem. No one is ever sure. The only ones who claim to know what's best for the profoundly disabled are those who seek to benefit the most by having them legally murdered.
On Monday, February 21, new hearings will commence before Judge Greer with regard to the Schiavo case. The Empire Journal reports that David Gibbs III, attorney representing Terri's parents Robert and Mary Schindler, will argue that new medical tests be ordered for Terri based upon a new brain imaging study published in the journal Neurology. These tests could determine whether Terri Schiavo is, in fact, in a PVS. Since Judge Greer believes she is, ruled to have her killed and has thus far refused the admission of any medical evidence that would save Terri's life, I'd be shocked to see him budge.
Greer has been acting in the dual role of judge and guardian ad litem. He previously denied a petition by Terri's parents that their daughter be given a swallowing test, and has denied them the right to visit Terri. He continues to promote the interests of Michael Schiavo by refusing Terri the right to independent counsel, a right which even serial killers like Ted Bundy received.
Whenever people discuss euthanasia, you'll always find those who will defend the odious practice. However, no one defends domestic violence. That leads to the 6 ft. 6 inch, 250 pound problem: Michael Schiavo. The evidence compiled against him suggests a history and pattern of domestic abuse against Terri and other women that is strong and significant. An immediate criminal investigation is warranted.
The main evidence comes from a bone scan taken on March 5, 1991. As Terri's guardian, Michael Schiavo denied her family access to Terri's records, the results of which were not made available until November, 2002. This scan indicated numerous broken bones in various stages of healing, including compressions fractures, a broken back, pelvis, ankle, bone bruises and ossifications.
Board certified radiologist Dr. Walker read the scan in 1991 and interpreted the results as abnormal, which he attributed to either an accident or earlier trauma. Based on the remodeling process of her bones, Dr. Walker stated in his deposition that a) the injuries indicated by the scan occurred on or around the time that Terri Schiavo collapsed; b) the abnormalities on the bone scan were not typical of someone suffering cardiac arrest and collapsing to the floor, and c) the fractures indicated by the bone scan are not typical of patients bedridden only thirteen months. As recorded in Dr. Walker's November 21, 2003 deposition, Terri might have been the victim of foul play via a blow to her body, being thrown into a sharp furniture corner, or assaulted with a blunt object.
On October 24, 2003, renowned forensic pathologist Dr. Michael Baden was interviewed by Greta van Susteren on Fox News. He disclosed that with low potassium and no elevated enzymes, it would be extremely rare for a young woman to collapse as Terri did from a heart attack. When asked what the bone injuries suggest to him, Dr. Baden replied, "Some kind of trauma. The trauma can be from a fall, or the trauma can be from some kind of beating that she obtained from somebody somewhere. It's something that should have been investigated in 1991 when these findings were found."
Other medical testimonies are in agreement. One medical expert testified that a diagnosis of a heart attack was never made. Another testified that Terri's rigid neck indicates she may have been the victim of strangulation. Psychiatrist and expert witness Carole E. Lieberman, M.D., M.P.H. offered preliminary thoughts and provided a chilling profile of Michael Schiavo as an abusive husband.
Prior to Terri's collapse, there were serious financial problems in her marriage and her husband Michael tried to control her behavior. He was fired from six jobs in two years, some of which he held only two weeks. They often lived on her income, which Michael often spent on himself. He monitored her odometer and isolated her from her family and friends. On the day of her collapse, Michael and Terri had a bad fight after he accused her of spending too much money at the hairdresser.
Dr. Lieberman concludes: "He (Michael) should most definitely be investigated as the perpetrator of the 'incident' that caused Terri's collapse and her current condition."
Michael Schiavo insists that Terri stated early in their marriage that she never would want to be kept on life support. Even if that were true, Terri is not on life support; she breathes on her own. Since Terri has no written will, everything Michael Schiavo says is hearsay. He violated numerous Florida statutes and the Americans for Disabilities Act by failing to perform his duties as his wife's guardian, most notably by denying his disabled wife basic medical care as part of a malpractice settlement award he received.
However, of all Michael's offensive actions against his wife, what I deem most suspicious was his decision to have Terri cremated immediately upon her demise. In all the documentation on this case, there is not a single account of Terri Schiavo having ever expressed a desire to be cremated. Michael's excuse is to say that she wouldn't want a standard burial because she "doesn't like bugs." I'm not buying. The likely reason is that Michael has something to hide -- like the cause of her numerous bone injuries, perhaps? -- and he doesn't want an autopsy to uncover any incriminating evidence.
So, what really happened on February 25, 1990? We know that Terri fell in her home and sustained serious injuries. We know that Michael Schiavo, who was trained in CPR, oddly did not administer CPR to his wife. We know for the past fifteen years his only mission has been to deny any rehabilitation for Terri.
Dr. Carole Lieberman observed, "If Terri were to be allowed to die, as Michael has been desperately struggling to achieve for years, it could help him escape detection. This would be a grave miscarriage of justice."
That's exactly the way Michael Schiavo and the Florida judicial system want it.
Jesse
Membership Revoked
Morning!
I believe this was the intended outcome all along. If this holds, and I think it will, TPTB can kill anyone now - LEGALLY. What I *really* wonder is who's truly behind all this. I have my own suspicions.
Still praying for a miracle here. - Jesse.
Edited to add: Horrible and evil as this is, I am reminded that globally approx. 40,000 children, most of them under the age of five died in the last 24 hours of starvation/dehydration. And the same number died the day before that, and the day before that and so on... and it was and is ALL preventable!
Then of course we have the abortions - approximately 126,000 per day world-wide. Also preventable. http://www.mswm.org/abortions.worldwide.abortionstatistics.htm
And the sensless daily killings in all the wars as well.
Murder is nothing new...
God help us!
I believe this was the intended outcome all along. If this holds, and I think it will, TPTB can kill anyone now - LEGALLY. What I *really* wonder is who's truly behind all this. I have my own suspicions.
Still praying for a miracle here. - Jesse.
Edited to add: Horrible and evil as this is, I am reminded that globally approx. 40,000 children, most of them under the age of five died in the last 24 hours of starvation/dehydration. And the same number died the day before that, and the day before that and so on... and it was and is ALL preventable!
Then of course we have the abortions - approximately 126,000 per day world-wide. Also preventable. http://www.mswm.org/abortions.worldwide.abortionstatistics.htm
And the sensless daily killings in all the wars as well.
Murder is nothing new...
God help us!
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Kimber
Membership Revoked
Someone brought up on Frank Whalen's show this morning that this had all the makings of a long drawn out satanic ritualistic killing. It wouldn't surprise me.
By the way, as near as I can tell, here's the legislation - it's a piece of [bleep]. Any wonder the federal judge doesn't do anything?
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For the relief of the parents of Theresa Marie Schiavo.
Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled,
SECTION 1. RELIEF OF THE PARENTS OF THERESA MARIE SCHIAVO.
The United States District Court for the Middle District of Florida shall have jurisdiction to hear, determine, and render judgment on a suit or claim by or on behalf of Theresa Marie Schiavo for the alleged violation of any right of Theresa Marie Schiavo under the Constitution or laws of the United States relating to the withholding or withdrawal of food, fluids, or medical treatment necessary to sustain her life.
SEC. 2. PROCEDURE.
Any parent of Theresa Marie Schiavo shall have standing to bring a suit under this Act. The suit may be brought against any other person who was a party to State court proceedings relating to the withholding or withdrawal of food, fluids, or medical treatment necessary to sustain the life of Theresa Marie Schiavo, or who may act pursuant to a State court order authorizing or directing the withholding or withdrawal of food, fluids, or medical treatment necessary to sustain her life. In such a suit, the District Court shall determine de novo any claim of a violation of any right of Theresa Marie Schiavo within the scope of this Act, notwithstanding any prior State court determination and regardless of whether such a claim has previously been raised, considered, or decided in State court proceedings. The District Court shall entertain and determine the suit without any delay or abstention in favor of State court proceedings, and regardless of whether remedies available in the State courts have been exhausted.
SEC. 3. RELIEF.
After a determination of the merits of a suit brought under this Act, the District Court shall issue such declaratory and injunctive relief as may be necessary to protect the rights of Theresa Marie Schiavo under the Constitution and laws of the United States relating to the withholding or withdrawal of food, fluids, or medical treatment necessary to sustain her life.
SEC. 4. TIME FOR FILING.
Notwithstanding any other time limitation, any suit or claim under this Act shall be timely if filed within 30 days after the date of enactment of this Act.
SEC. 5. NO CHANGE OF SUBSTANTIVE RIGHTS.
Nothing in this Act shall be construed to create substantive rights not otherwise secured by the Constitution and laws of the United States or of the several States.
SEC. 6. NO EFFECT ON ASSISTING SUICIDE.
Nothing in this Act shall be construed to confer additional jurisdiction on any court to consider any claim related--
(1) to assisting suicide, or
(2) a State law regarding assisting suicide.
SEC. 7. NO PRECEDENT FOR FUTURE LEGISLATION.
Nothing in this Act shall constitute a precedent with respect to future legislation, including the provision of private relief bills.
SEC. 8. NO AFFECT ON THE PATIENT SELF-DETERMINATION ACT OF 1990.
Nothing in this Act shall affect the rights of any person under the Patient Self-Determination Act of 1990.
SEC. 9. SENSE OF THE CONGRESS.
It is the Sense of Congress that the 109th Congress should consider policies regarding the status and legal rights of incapacitated individuals who are incapable of making decisions concerning the provision, withholding, or withdrawal of foods, fluid, or medical care.
Passed the Senate March 20, 2005.
Attest:
Secretary.
By the way, as near as I can tell, here's the legislation - it's a piece of [bleep]. Any wonder the federal judge doesn't do anything?
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For the relief of the parents of Theresa Marie Schiavo.
Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled,
SECTION 1. RELIEF OF THE PARENTS OF THERESA MARIE SCHIAVO.
The United States District Court for the Middle District of Florida shall have jurisdiction to hear, determine, and render judgment on a suit or claim by or on behalf of Theresa Marie Schiavo for the alleged violation of any right of Theresa Marie Schiavo under the Constitution or laws of the United States relating to the withholding or withdrawal of food, fluids, or medical treatment necessary to sustain her life.
SEC. 2. PROCEDURE.
Any parent of Theresa Marie Schiavo shall have standing to bring a suit under this Act. The suit may be brought against any other person who was a party to State court proceedings relating to the withholding or withdrawal of food, fluids, or medical treatment necessary to sustain the life of Theresa Marie Schiavo, or who may act pursuant to a State court order authorizing or directing the withholding or withdrawal of food, fluids, or medical treatment necessary to sustain her life. In such a suit, the District Court shall determine de novo any claim of a violation of any right of Theresa Marie Schiavo within the scope of this Act, notwithstanding any prior State court determination and regardless of whether such a claim has previously been raised, considered, or decided in State court proceedings. The District Court shall entertain and determine the suit without any delay or abstention in favor of State court proceedings, and regardless of whether remedies available in the State courts have been exhausted.
SEC. 3. RELIEF.
After a determination of the merits of a suit brought under this Act, the District Court shall issue such declaratory and injunctive relief as may be necessary to protect the rights of Theresa Marie Schiavo under the Constitution and laws of the United States relating to the withholding or withdrawal of food, fluids, or medical treatment necessary to sustain her life.
SEC. 4. TIME FOR FILING.
Notwithstanding any other time limitation, any suit or claim under this Act shall be timely if filed within 30 days after the date of enactment of this Act.
SEC. 5. NO CHANGE OF SUBSTANTIVE RIGHTS.
Nothing in this Act shall be construed to create substantive rights not otherwise secured by the Constitution and laws of the United States or of the several States.
SEC. 6. NO EFFECT ON ASSISTING SUICIDE.
Nothing in this Act shall be construed to confer additional jurisdiction on any court to consider any claim related--
(1) to assisting suicide, or
(2) a State law regarding assisting suicide.
SEC. 7. NO PRECEDENT FOR FUTURE LEGISLATION.
Nothing in this Act shall constitute a precedent with respect to future legislation, including the provision of private relief bills.
SEC. 8. NO AFFECT ON THE PATIENT SELF-DETERMINATION ACT OF 1990.
Nothing in this Act shall affect the rights of any person under the Patient Self-Determination Act of 1990.
SEC. 9. SENSE OF THE CONGRESS.
It is the Sense of Congress that the 109th Congress should consider policies regarding the status and legal rights of incapacitated individuals who are incapable of making decisions concerning the provision, withholding, or withdrawal of foods, fluid, or medical care.
Passed the Senate March 20, 2005.
Attest:
Secretary.
potemkin
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That Separation of Powers of the US Constitution clause is an unreasonable burden isn't it? Without it they could have just passed a law ordering what ever they want and forced people to perform.
I guess we could get the Congress to pass legislation to make the President the King of the US and he could just pass a Royal Proclamation.
Think about it for a second.
If the President was serious about keeping her hooked to a feeding tube he could have just signed an Executive Order and stayed the removal. He didn't? Why? It was just a political ploy for the Republicans and the Democrats who voted for it. They knew what the outcome will likely be in any court case with so much judicial review.
They want the political capital of voting for it but wanted the political cover of everyone (well almost) voting for it.
The pro-Schindler crowd wanted to bring it to the Federal Courts damaging States Rights in the process and got Congress to pass a law allowing it to happen.
Now it is in a Federal Court for review they aren't happy?
I guess we could get the Congress to pass legislation to make the President the King of the US and he could just pass a Royal Proclamation.
Think about it for a second.
If the President was serious about keeping her hooked to a feeding tube he could have just signed an Executive Order and stayed the removal. He didn't? Why? It was just a political ploy for the Republicans and the Democrats who voted for it. They knew what the outcome will likely be in any court case with so much judicial review.
They want the political capital of voting for it but wanted the political cover of everyone (well almost) voting for it.
The pro-Schindler crowd wanted to bring it to the Federal Courts damaging States Rights in the process and got Congress to pass a law allowing it to happen.
Now it is in a Federal Court for review they aren't happy?
Terriannie
Has No Life - Lives on TB
My husband asked me before going to work if I was going to be okay?
We had a long early discussion while I was searching the net for proof of Michael's lies when the news broke.
I expressed to him my deepest fear that I have only recently began to clarify to myself after long unsettling feelings.
I fear when we doomed Terri we doomed our Country for good. It's been a long road down killing innocent babies, taking God out of everywhere, but this is the end.
In our faces we are starving a woman to death and instead of hiding our heads in shame the news only grants her a "tsk, tsk, tsk, poor woman/poor situation." attitude with the appropriate serious face.
Terri has not died yet but already I am in mourning and crying bitter tears. I am mourning for my Country.
Do not be surprised if Satan who has been having a field day already with the violence, natural and unatural disasters our land is experiencing is going to go full rein now to do what he likes to do best.
In my answer to my DH's question I answered him, "Yes." but he knows and I know the fight will go from hard to almost impossible without God and He isn't being asked except from a few Americans. The rest are going, "Tsk, tsk, tsk" or, "Yeah!"
We had a long early discussion while I was searching the net for proof of Michael's lies when the news broke.
I expressed to him my deepest fear that I have only recently began to clarify to myself after long unsettling feelings.
I fear when we doomed Terri we doomed our Country for good. It's been a long road down killing innocent babies, taking God out of everywhere, but this is the end.
In our faces we are starving a woman to death and instead of hiding our heads in shame the news only grants her a "tsk, tsk, tsk, poor woman/poor situation." attitude with the appropriate serious face.
Terri has not died yet but already I am in mourning and crying bitter tears. I am mourning for my Country.
Do not be surprised if Satan who has been having a field day already with the violence, natural and unatural disasters our land is experiencing is going to go full rein now to do what he likes to do best.
In my answer to my DH's question I answered him, "Yes." but he knows and I know the fight will go from hard to almost impossible without God and He isn't being asked except from a few Americans. The rest are going, "Tsk, tsk, tsk" or, "Yeah!"
"And the King will answer and say to them, 'Assuredly, I say to you, inasmuch as you did it to one of the least of these My brethren, you did it to Me.' Then He will also say to those on the left hand, 'Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels: for I was hungry and you gave Me no food; I was thirsty and you gave Me no drink'." --Matthew 25:40-42
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The liberal left in this country are PRO-DEATH when it comes to the INNOCENT (unborn/elderly/feeble) and yet
they are vehemently Pro-life only when it involves the guilty (criminals/death-row inmates).
Logic and morality stood squarely on it's head...
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The liberal left in this country are PRO-DEATH when it comes to the INNOCENT (unborn/elderly/feeble) and yet
they are vehemently Pro-life only when it involves the guilty (criminals/death-row inmates).
Logic and morality stood squarely on it's head...
Walrus Whisperer
Hope in chains...
That judge is a Clinton (the party of death)appointee, what else does anyone think he was going to do?
Florida thought the hurricanes were bad last year...............
Florida thought the hurricanes were bad last year...............
This was a euthansia agenda from day one. Michael just wanted her dead, but there are others with a much broader agenda, as Jesse pointed out. We are following the patterns being set in Europe.
It feels like a tipping point, like what some folks term " flashpoints of judgement". You could feel the divine restraint here the past several years here.....no big terrrorism, dollar and economy still basically OK, no huge earthquakes, etc. I wonder if the restraining hand of the Lord will lift when she dies.
It feels like a tipping point, like what some folks term " flashpoints of judgement". You could feel the divine restraint here the past several years here.....no big terrrorism, dollar and economy still basically OK, no huge earthquakes, etc. I wonder if the restraining hand of the Lord will lift when she dies.
Kimber
Membership Revoked
"That Separation of Powers of the US Constitution clause is an unreasonable burden isn't it? Without it they could have just passed a law ordering what ever they want and forced people to perform."
Each branch has the right and duty to enforce the Constitution. You appear to have sided with a court's interpretation of the Constitution - as have many.
Simple solution - arrest the judge and Michael on charges of attempted murder.
David
Each branch has the right and duty to enforce the Constitution. You appear to have sided with a court's interpretation of the Constitution - as have many.
Simple solution - arrest the judge and Michael on charges of attempted murder.
David
Wise Owl
Deceased
Bush signed this into law at 1:11 AM yesterday morning. Her death sentence was pronounced last Friday with the start of Holy week. Her maiden name is Schindler (ie Schindlers list anyone?). She was raised Catholic but married a Jew.Kimber said:
This is a nationwide sacrificial Satanic Ritual being done during Holy week. There is so much more to this than meets the eye.
Remember this and think about it. Someone said something about Terri being the last martar. God is watching folks. Sit on your hands and keep you mouths closed. This is state sanctioned murder live on tv.............. Those who are silent or who say this is ok will be asked why someday.
THIS ALERT IN FROM RANDALL TERRY:
This CONSERVATIVE ALERT is a special message from RightMarch.com:
ALERT: We spent ALL DAY Monday lobbying Governor Jeb Bush
and a dozen Florida legislators, trying to get those state
Senators to change their minds and vote FOR the new
legislation that could save Terri's life once and for all.
Click here to see pictures of our time running around all
over the capitol building in Tallahassee:
http://www.rightmarch.com/fl1.htm
It felt like beating our heads against a brick wall - but
that wall may be crumbling. We could finally TEAR DOWN
THAT WALL on Wednesday, but we need YOUR HELP NOW.
We just need THREE state Senators to change their minds and
vote with us to save Terri Schiavo's life. And we heard
rumors today that two of the people on our list of ten
targeted Senators are possibly going to do just that. They
may just need a "gentle nudge" to make up their minds.
We need EVERYONE READING THIS EMAIL to call the following
Florida state Senators RIGHT AWAY, and ask them to do one
simple thing:
"HAVE MERCY ON TERRI SCHIAVO -- PLEASE VOTE
TO SAVE TERRI'S LIFE TODAY."
That's all we're asking you to do. Just call ten state
Senators -- or as many as you can -- and ask them to have
mercy on Terri.
TAKE ACTION: Call these ten Senators NOW:
Larcenia J. Bullard
850-487-5127
Walter Campbell, Jr.
850-487-5094
J.D. Alexander
850-487-5044
Nancy Argenziano
850-487-5017
Paula Dockery
850-487-5040
Lisa Carlton
850-487-5081
Evelyn J. Lynn
850-487-5033
Burt L. Saunders
850-487-5124
Michael Bennett
850-487-5078
Dennis Jones
850-487-5065
Emails for the targeted Florida state senators, in case that is helpful for anyone:
bullard.larcenia.web@flsenate.gov;
campbell.walter.web@flsenate.gov;
dawson.mandy.web@flsenate.gov;
alexander.jd.web@flsenate.gov;
argenziano.nancy.web@flsenate.gov;
carlton.lisa.web@flsenate.gov;
dockery.paula.web@flsenate.gov;
lynn.evelyn.web@flsenate.gov;
saunders.burt.web@flsenate.gov
NOTE: We are asking you to give a donation to help with
the effort to save Terri's life. Battles cost money;
resources cost money; media costs money; I could go on,
but you get the picture. I am asking you to show your
support by making as generous a contribution as you can
to this effort. (Gifts are not tax deductible.)
https://secure.cartlight.com/merchant/rightmarch/?afid=rmemail-tj
Thank you for your concern, your prayers, your efforts, and
your support. Together, we can prevail against judicial
tyranny, and rescue Terri Schiavo from a cruel death.
Please keep us in your prayers.
Be sure to send this Alert to everyone you know who wants
to help save Terri's life. Thank you!
Sincerely,
Randall Terry
President, Society for Truth and Justice
William Greene, President
RightMarch.com
This CONSERVATIVE ALERT is a special message from RightMarch.com:
ALERT: We spent ALL DAY Monday lobbying Governor Jeb Bush
and a dozen Florida legislators, trying to get those state
Senators to change their minds and vote FOR the new
legislation that could save Terri's life once and for all.
Click here to see pictures of our time running around all
over the capitol building in Tallahassee:
http://www.rightmarch.com/fl1.htm
It felt like beating our heads against a brick wall - but
that wall may be crumbling. We could finally TEAR DOWN
THAT WALL on Wednesday, but we need YOUR HELP NOW.
We just need THREE state Senators to change their minds and
vote with us to save Terri Schiavo's life. And we heard
rumors today that two of the people on our list of ten
targeted Senators are possibly going to do just that. They
may just need a "gentle nudge" to make up their minds.
We need EVERYONE READING THIS EMAIL to call the following
Florida state Senators RIGHT AWAY, and ask them to do one
simple thing:
"HAVE MERCY ON TERRI SCHIAVO -- PLEASE VOTE
TO SAVE TERRI'S LIFE TODAY."
That's all we're asking you to do. Just call ten state
Senators -- or as many as you can -- and ask them to have
mercy on Terri.
TAKE ACTION: Call these ten Senators NOW:
Larcenia J. Bullard
850-487-5127
Walter Campbell, Jr.
850-487-5094
J.D. Alexander
850-487-5044
Nancy Argenziano
850-487-5017
Paula Dockery
850-487-5040
Lisa Carlton
850-487-5081
Evelyn J. Lynn
850-487-5033
Burt L. Saunders
850-487-5124
Michael Bennett
850-487-5078
Dennis Jones
850-487-5065
Emails for the targeted Florida state senators, in case that is helpful for anyone:
bullard.larcenia.web@flsenate.gov;
campbell.walter.web@flsenate.gov;
dawson.mandy.web@flsenate.gov;
alexander.jd.web@flsenate.gov;
argenziano.nancy.web@flsenate.gov;
carlton.lisa.web@flsenate.gov;
dockery.paula.web@flsenate.gov;
lynn.evelyn.web@flsenate.gov;
saunders.burt.web@flsenate.gov
NOTE: We are asking you to give a donation to help with
the effort to save Terri's life. Battles cost money;
resources cost money; media costs money; I could go on,
but you get the picture. I am asking you to show your
support by making as generous a contribution as you can
to this effort. (Gifts are not tax deductible.)
https://secure.cartlight.com/merchant/rightmarch/?afid=rmemail-tj
Thank you for your concern, your prayers, your efforts, and
your support. Together, we can prevail against judicial
tyranny, and rescue Terri Schiavo from a cruel death.
Please keep us in your prayers.
Be sure to send this Alert to everyone you know who wants
to help save Terri's life. Thank you!
Sincerely,
Randall Terry
President, Society for Truth and Justice
William Greene, President
RightMarch.com
[font="]Walrus Whisperer said:
[/font][font="]Wise Owl said:
Yes, the inevitability of God's judgment could be said to be like gravity; it does not require your belief to exist and have consequences. A person who defiantly walks off a cliff will come to a belief in gravity at some point just before he hits the ground...
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[/font][font=Verdana,Arial][size=-2]The liberal left in this country are PRO-DEATH when it comes to the INNOCENT (unborn/elderly/feeble) and yet
they are vehemently Pro-life only when it involves the guilty (criminals/death-row inmates).
Logic and morality stood squarely on it's head...
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SouthernGal
"Don't retreat...reload"
LeViolinist said:
Already have, LeViolinist. Already have.
Terriannie
Has No Life - Lives on TB
Thank you JPD. I needed to see your post. I'm going to try again to call and pray, call and pray.
This event shall not pass lightly nor will it be forgotten. I feel something very dark and foreboding associated with it. The flow of decisions, the players, the timing during holy week should make one wonder. The adulterer closes in on receiving his eqivalent of thirty pieces of silver as someone else did this week some two thousand years ago. And the mob shouted crucify Him....while others looked on...in silence.
Para.
Para.
phoenix7of7
Deceased
A couple of points.
1. A person that is subpoened can be put to death prior to their appearence. Gives a whole new importance to legal delaying manuveurs.
2. Now we know how to commit murder. Incapacitate the victim and deprive them of food and water until they die. When confronted by the authorities - you just say that they collapsed one day and because you had discussed the DNR issue and it was their wish to be left alone - you were just doing as they asked.
3. Look for the 25,000 adults and 10,000 kids, who are listed as PVS, to start dying. Why expend the resources and money to sustain them?
4. Come to think of it -- there are untold numbers of severely retarded who aren't really "here" or human. Their guardians can now order their feeding to be stopped.
Just so there is no misunderstanding ---- it is my hope and fervent prayer that EVERYONE involved in Terri's murder experience karma first hand and in their face!
1. A person that is subpoened can be put to death prior to their appearence. Gives a whole new importance to legal delaying manuveurs.
2. Now we know how to commit murder. Incapacitate the victim and deprive them of food and water until they die. When confronted by the authorities - you just say that they collapsed one day and because you had discussed the DNR issue and it was their wish to be left alone - you were just doing as they asked.
3. Look for the 25,000 adults and 10,000 kids, who are listed as PVS, to start dying. Why expend the resources and money to sustain them?
4. Come to think of it -- there are untold numbers of severely retarded who aren't really "here" or human. Their guardians can now order their feeding to be stopped.
Just so there is no misunderstanding ---- it is my hope and fervent prayer that EVERYONE involved in Terri's murder experience karma first hand and in their face!
sassy
Veteran Member
Researching along these "satanic lines" I found this .....
http://libertytothecaptives.net/occultdatesinterriscase.html
The timeline on Terrisfight.org reveals specific dates in Terri Schiavo's case from 2001 until January 2004. The exact date Terri was found face down on the floor clutching her neck is especially significant, yet not noted in the timeline. That date is February 25, 1990, which is St. Valpurgis Day, a satanic high day in which dismemberment and blood communion is observed.
Judge Greer chose the anniversary of Terri's traumatic, brain injuring incident—which has been attributed to bulimia yet caused her to sustain broken bones and an extraordinarily rigid neck—to set the final date for her death by dehydration:
On February 25, 2005, this court ordered the guardian, Michael Schiavo, to "cause the removal of nutrition and hydration from the ward, THERESA SCHIAVO, at 1:00 p.m. on Friday, March 18, 2005.
(Quote source: Greer denies food and water by mouth)
Michael Schiavo was Appointed Guardian on Scientology Holiday
Michael Schaivo was appointed as Terri's guardian on June 18, 1990. June 18 is a Scientology holiday:
June 18
Academy Day, in celebration of the 1964 release of L. Ron Hubbard’s study technology. (Scientology Holidays)
June 18, 1990 also contains two sets of 666. The first set of three 6's is contained in the 18: 6+6+6.
The second three 6's is found in the month and the year. June is the 6th month and the year contains two 6's. (Those who believe in the power of numbers consider an inverted 9 to be the same thing as a 6.)
Vegetative State Filing Also Done on Scientology Holiday With Two Sets of 666
Michael Schiavo filed an affidavit alleging that Terri is in an irreversible vegetative state on June 18, 2001.
The date Michael Schiavo filed the affidavit which set in motion "the first case of euthanasia in Florida's reported case law." was June 18, 2001—a Scientology date that twice contains the number of the beast: 666.
The first number of the beast date: The first 18 is rather obvious: The 18th day. Eighteen is a combination of three sixes.
The second number of the beast date: This is found in the complete date: 6 (The month of June) + 1+8 (the 18th day) + 2+0+0+1 (2001) = 18 (The second three sixes.)
Satan's agents revere the 666 number combination because it is the number of the beast.
Master Numbers 11 and 22 Used for Trial Dates
The beginning and ending dates selected for the trial which was conducted for the pre-determined purpose of establishing that Terri Schiavo is in a persistently vegetative state are exceptionally powerful in occult numerology. The trial began on October 11th and ended on October 22nd of the year 2002.
The numbers 11, 22***, and 33 are called Master numbers because people in the occult believe they possess more potential than other numbers. They are "highly charged," which means the demons respond to these numbers and carry out their assignments more reliably.
The Master Numbers 11 (11/2) and 22 (22/4) should only be used in exceptional situations. This is when the meaning of the number 2 or 4 doesn't seem to apply to the person involved. Both 11 & 22 are very high energy numbers, and most times, the people they represent choose to live in the lower, more easily managed energy of the 2 or 4. Since 11 and 22 are both such spiritually charged numbers, they pose a delicate balance act between the spiritual and material, the positive and the negative.
(Quote source: Numerology: The Numbers)
Master Number 11 Chosen for Original Order to Remove Feeding Tube
On Feb. 11, 2000: Pinellas-Pasco Circuit Judge George W. Greer ruled that Terri Schiavo's feeding tube can be removed.
(See: Key Dates in the Life of Terri Schiavo)
George Felos chose the 11th day of May in 1998 to file a petition to discontinue Terri's artificial life support. This petition was filed before the law was changed to make feeding tubes mean "artificial life support!
Master Numbers and Scientology Dates Used in Subsequent Orders to Remove Terri's Feeding Tube
Next Judge Greer chose to have Terri's feeding/hydration tube removed on a Scientology Holiday:
On March 29, 2001, Judge Greer ruled that Terri's feeding tube must be removed at 1 p.m. April 20, 2001.
(information source: Key Dates in the Life of Terri Schiavo)
April 20th is a Scientology holiday:
L. Ron Hubbard Exhibition Day, to celebrate the opening in 1991 of the L. Ron Hubbard Life Exhibition in Hollywood, California. Featuring impressive audiovisual displays on the life and accomplishments of L. Ron Hubbard, the exhibition is visited by thousands of Scientologists and non-Scientologists annually.
(Scientology Holidays)
Of course this order was appealed, but it was affirmed on another Scientology holiday—June 6th, 2003:
On June 6, Judges Chris Altenbernd, Carolyn Fulmer and Thomas Stringer Sr. handed down a decision concurring again with Greer's original order of Feb. 11, 2000, that Terri must die.
(Quote source: World Net Daily August 2, 2003)
June 6th is the Anniversary of the Sea Org's Maiden Voyage and the releasing of the OT 8:
On this date in 1988, the Sea Org Motor Vessel Freewinds began her maiden voyage, during which New OT VIII was released publicly. In memory of that day, OT VIII completions convene aboard the Freewinds for a week of special briefings and acknowledgments to new OT VIII completions for their work in disseminating and expanding Scientology. (Scientology Holidays)
Next Judge Greer chose November 22, 2002 to again schedule the removal of Terri's feeding tube: January 3, 2003. November 22, 2002 contains three Master numbers: 11 in the eleventh month (November), 22 (the 22nd day), and 22 (two 2's) in the year 2002.
Mocking Family Ties Done on L. Ron Hubbard's Birthday
Judge Baird ruled against the Schindlers' attempts to fight against the constitutional challenge to Terri's Law on March 13, 2004, Scientology's "most important annual holiday marking the birthday of the late Scientology founder L. Ron Hubbard."
(Quoted from holysmoke.org)
See: Judge: Schiavo's parents can't join fight
The March 13th marking is particularly revealing because Terri's Law and its overturning is an integral part of the conditioning process Scientology is using to cause the legalization of euthanasia in the United States of America.
The dates that Scientology believes to be the "most energetic" have been chosen to order the removal of Terri Schindler Schiavo's feeding tube and the one step farther—the removal of regular food and water. This is definitely calculated.
666 Date Chosen to Commence Terri's Dehydration Death
The final date chosen (absent a stay) to commence the dehydration death of Terri Schiavo is March 18, 2005. As I mentioned earlier in this article, Eighteen contains the number of the beast: 6+6+6. The Scientologists who run the Pinellas County Court system are consistent in marking Terri's case for Satan because it is to him that Terri is being offered.
Just as the 9-11 tragedy was literally immersed in every conceivable way in satanic numerology, Terri Schiavo's case is marked in the same way. Satan's followers must follow certain protocol when implementing revolutionary changes in society. Using spiritually charged numbers (occult dates) is necessary to gain the "vibrations" (demonic cooperation) they need to achieve their desired end.
Those who know about Scientology's role in Terri's case but refuse to expose it due to fear are sanctioning Scientology's actions by their silence.
Fear of what man can do to us is not from God. We must use the weapons of our warfare that are not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of Scientology strongholds. Let us honor God by casting down fearful imaginations and every high thing that exalts itself against the knowledge of God, and bring our thoughts and actions to the obedience of the Lord Jesus Christ.
God's people must stand in this evil day and do what He leads us to do to hold back the New World Order.
Note: On April 24, 2001, Terri's feeding tube was removed the first time. It was reinserted on April 26, 2001.
On Oct 15, 2003, Terri's feeding tube was removed for the second time. It was reinserted on October 21, 2003 after Terri's Law was passed.
Gary and Lisa Ruby
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*** Note that the Federal Judge Whittmiare (sp?) made the judgement to let Terri die on 3/22 Hmmmmmmm
http://libertytothecaptives.net/occultdatesinterriscase.html
The timeline on Terrisfight.org reveals specific dates in Terri Schiavo's case from 2001 until January 2004. The exact date Terri was found face down on the floor clutching her neck is especially significant, yet not noted in the timeline. That date is February 25, 1990, which is St. Valpurgis Day, a satanic high day in which dismemberment and blood communion is observed.
Judge Greer chose the anniversary of Terri's traumatic, brain injuring incident—which has been attributed to bulimia yet caused her to sustain broken bones and an extraordinarily rigid neck—to set the final date for her death by dehydration:
On February 25, 2005, this court ordered the guardian, Michael Schiavo, to "cause the removal of nutrition and hydration from the ward, THERESA SCHIAVO, at 1:00 p.m. on Friday, March 18, 2005.
(Quote source: Greer denies food and water by mouth)
Michael Schiavo was Appointed Guardian on Scientology Holiday
Michael Schaivo was appointed as Terri's guardian on June 18, 1990. June 18 is a Scientology holiday:
June 18
Academy Day, in celebration of the 1964 release of L. Ron Hubbard’s study technology. (Scientology Holidays)
June 18, 1990 also contains two sets of 666. The first set of three 6's is contained in the 18: 6+6+6.
The second three 6's is found in the month and the year. June is the 6th month and the year contains two 6's. (Those who believe in the power of numbers consider an inverted 9 to be the same thing as a 6.)
Vegetative State Filing Also Done on Scientology Holiday With Two Sets of 666
Michael Schiavo filed an affidavit alleging that Terri is in an irreversible vegetative state on June 18, 2001.
The date Michael Schiavo filed the affidavit which set in motion "the first case of euthanasia in Florida's reported case law." was June 18, 2001—a Scientology date that twice contains the number of the beast: 666.
The first number of the beast date: The first 18 is rather obvious: The 18th day. Eighteen is a combination of three sixes.
The second number of the beast date: This is found in the complete date: 6 (The month of June) + 1+8 (the 18th day) + 2+0+0+1 (2001) = 18 (The second three sixes.)
Satan's agents revere the 666 number combination because it is the number of the beast.
Master Numbers 11 and 22 Used for Trial Dates
The beginning and ending dates selected for the trial which was conducted for the pre-determined purpose of establishing that Terri Schiavo is in a persistently vegetative state are exceptionally powerful in occult numerology. The trial began on October 11th and ended on October 22nd of the year 2002.
The numbers 11, 22***, and 33 are called Master numbers because people in the occult believe they possess more potential than other numbers. They are "highly charged," which means the demons respond to these numbers and carry out their assignments more reliably.
The Master Numbers 11 (11/2) and 22 (22/4) should only be used in exceptional situations. This is when the meaning of the number 2 or 4 doesn't seem to apply to the person involved. Both 11 & 22 are very high energy numbers, and most times, the people they represent choose to live in the lower, more easily managed energy of the 2 or 4. Since 11 and 22 are both such spiritually charged numbers, they pose a delicate balance act between the spiritual and material, the positive and the negative.
(Quote source: Numerology: The Numbers)
Master Number 11 Chosen for Original Order to Remove Feeding Tube
On Feb. 11, 2000: Pinellas-Pasco Circuit Judge George W. Greer ruled that Terri Schiavo's feeding tube can be removed.
(See: Key Dates in the Life of Terri Schiavo)
George Felos chose the 11th day of May in 1998 to file a petition to discontinue Terri's artificial life support. This petition was filed before the law was changed to make feeding tubes mean "artificial life support!
Master Numbers and Scientology Dates Used in Subsequent Orders to Remove Terri's Feeding Tube
Next Judge Greer chose to have Terri's feeding/hydration tube removed on a Scientology Holiday:
On March 29, 2001, Judge Greer ruled that Terri's feeding tube must be removed at 1 p.m. April 20, 2001.
(information source: Key Dates in the Life of Terri Schiavo)
April 20th is a Scientology holiday:
L. Ron Hubbard Exhibition Day, to celebrate the opening in 1991 of the L. Ron Hubbard Life Exhibition in Hollywood, California. Featuring impressive audiovisual displays on the life and accomplishments of L. Ron Hubbard, the exhibition is visited by thousands of Scientologists and non-Scientologists annually.
(Scientology Holidays)
Of course this order was appealed, but it was affirmed on another Scientology holiday—June 6th, 2003:
On June 6, Judges Chris Altenbernd, Carolyn Fulmer and Thomas Stringer Sr. handed down a decision concurring again with Greer's original order of Feb. 11, 2000, that Terri must die.
(Quote source: World Net Daily August 2, 2003)
June 6th is the Anniversary of the Sea Org's Maiden Voyage and the releasing of the OT 8:
On this date in 1988, the Sea Org Motor Vessel Freewinds began her maiden voyage, during which New OT VIII was released publicly. In memory of that day, OT VIII completions convene aboard the Freewinds for a week of special briefings and acknowledgments to new OT VIII completions for their work in disseminating and expanding Scientology. (Scientology Holidays)
Next Judge Greer chose November 22, 2002 to again schedule the removal of Terri's feeding tube: January 3, 2003. November 22, 2002 contains three Master numbers: 11 in the eleventh month (November), 22 (the 22nd day), and 22 (two 2's) in the year 2002.
Mocking Family Ties Done on L. Ron Hubbard's Birthday
Judge Baird ruled against the Schindlers' attempts to fight against the constitutional challenge to Terri's Law on March 13, 2004, Scientology's "most important annual holiday marking the birthday of the late Scientology founder L. Ron Hubbard."
(Quoted from holysmoke.org)
See: Judge: Schiavo's parents can't join fight
The March 13th marking is particularly revealing because Terri's Law and its overturning is an integral part of the conditioning process Scientology is using to cause the legalization of euthanasia in the United States of America.
The dates that Scientology believes to be the "most energetic" have been chosen to order the removal of Terri Schindler Schiavo's feeding tube and the one step farther—the removal of regular food and water. This is definitely calculated.
666 Date Chosen to Commence Terri's Dehydration Death
The final date chosen (absent a stay) to commence the dehydration death of Terri Schiavo is March 18, 2005. As I mentioned earlier in this article, Eighteen contains the number of the beast: 6+6+6. The Scientologists who run the Pinellas County Court system are consistent in marking Terri's case for Satan because it is to him that Terri is being offered.
Just as the 9-11 tragedy was literally immersed in every conceivable way in satanic numerology, Terri Schiavo's case is marked in the same way. Satan's followers must follow certain protocol when implementing revolutionary changes in society. Using spiritually charged numbers (occult dates) is necessary to gain the "vibrations" (demonic cooperation) they need to achieve their desired end.
Those who know about Scientology's role in Terri's case but refuse to expose it due to fear are sanctioning Scientology's actions by their silence.
Fear of what man can do to us is not from God. We must use the weapons of our warfare that are not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of Scientology strongholds. Let us honor God by casting down fearful imaginations and every high thing that exalts itself against the knowledge of God, and bring our thoughts and actions to the obedience of the Lord Jesus Christ.
God's people must stand in this evil day and do what He leads us to do to hold back the New World Order.
Note: On April 24, 2001, Terri's feeding tube was removed the first time. It was reinserted on April 26, 2001.
On Oct 15, 2003, Terri's feeding tube was removed for the second time. It was reinserted on October 21, 2003 after Terri's Law was passed.
Gary and Lisa Ruby
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*** Note that the Federal Judge Whittmiare (sp?) made the judgement to let Terri die on 3/22 Hmmmmmmm
How sad indeed. My heart is breaking. I agree with you guys who said there is something DARK about this. I also have a very forboding feeling that something EVIL is taking place, something, VERY evil. I just have a feeling, for what it's worth, that shortly after her death there may be some awful things happening in this country. This is just SO CRUEL & WRONG! May God have mercy on us.
SouthernGal
"Don't retreat...reload"
mole said:
Mole - (((hugs))). You're right. It is a very dark day. We can only pray now that God takes Terri quickly.
Walrus Whisperer
Hope in chains...
I am certain I saw something that said Bush signed the paper the other day at 1:11.
johnswahoo
Veteran Member
I must assume that after this is all said and done. If Terri does die her husband is going to get a lot of money from the insurance company. However, can an insurance company hold up money from Michael use the principal that Terri's death was not of her own doing? Basically stating that if the tube was still helping her to sustain life she would be still be alive and that the natural course of death would not appeal in this case. Thus making him not eligible for $.
Secondly, I must assume that any person now in the state of Florida will be able to commit medical suicide or any suicide for that matter if they feel that any ailment is just too hard to deal with and this would be the only alternative to living a peaceful life. By the courts not dealing with this matter they have left this wide open. This seems to me the only precedence that was set this morning by the court not commenting on this case.
Can anybody please clarify if I missing anything here?
Secondly, I must assume that any person now in the state of Florida will be able to commit medical suicide or any suicide for that matter if they feel that any ailment is just too hard to deal with and this would be the only alternative to living a peaceful life. By the courts not dealing with this matter they have left this wide open. This seems to me the only precedence that was set this morning by the court not commenting on this case.
Can anybody please clarify if I missing anything here?
In Schiavo case, Congress trespasses on private tragedy
Congress suddenly seems intent on practicing medicine without a license. Or is it just practicing politics?
No member of the House or Senate has ever examined Terri Schiavo, the Florida woman who has been in a persistent vegetative state with no hope of recovery since suffering severe brain damage 15 years ago.
Schiavo's husband and two other witnesses have testified that she had said that she would never want to be kept alive artificially.
Courts have reviewed the case for 12 years and ruled consistently that the husband should be entrusted with her care and that his decision to remove the feeding tube that sustains her life should stand.
But Congress thinks it knows better. Early Monday, President Bush signed a special bill opening the federal courts for a rerun of the family fight over whether Schiavo should be allowed to die. The latest round began with a hearing Monday in Tampa and seemed destined for appeals.
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OTHER RIGHT-TO-DIE CASES
Karen Ann Quinlan. Quinlan, 21, collapsed in 1975 after consuming alcohol and tranquilizers. She fell into a coma and emerged in a persistent vegetative state. In 1976, the New Jersey Supreme Court agreed to her father's petition to take her off a respirator. She began breathing on her own. Her feeding tube remained. She died of pneumonia in 1985.
Nancy Cruzan. A car accident in 1983 left Cruzan unconscious. She could breathe on her own but needed a feeding tube. A Missouri court agreed with her parents that she would not want to be kept alive, but state officials challenged the decision. The U.S. Supreme Court, in its first right-to-die case, ruled 5-4 in 1990 that Cruzan had a right to refuse treatment but said her parents did not present sufficient evidence of her wishes. Friends testified that she would not want to be kept alive; the Missouri court allowed her tube to be removed. She died 12 days later.
Terry Wallis. After a car accident in 1984, Wallis was in a coma for three months. He had brain-stem injuries, was semiconscious and was paralyzed below the neck. In June 2003, he began to speak. His first words were "Mom. Pepsi. Milk." A quadriplegic, he is undergoing physical therapy and living with his family.
Robert Wendland. The resident of Stockton, Calif., 40, was seriously injured in a car accident in 1993. His wife wanted a feeding tube removed, but his mother said her son would want to live. Experts differed on his level of consciousness. In 2001, Wendland died of pneumonia while his case was pending at the California Supreme Court. The court later ruled that food and water should not be kept from a patient who is mentally incompetent but conscious, unless "clear and convincing evidence" proves the patient wanted to die.
Source: USA TODAY research
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It is shameful political grandstanding. It also is an appalling precedent for political interference in the most painful decisions any family can face. An estimated 14,000 to 35,000 Americans are in persistent vegetative states. Does Congress plan to meddle in the medical and legal judgments on each one?
The Schiavo case is certainly sad and extraordinary. Her parents, pained and unable to let her go, have fought for custody so they could keep her feeding tube in place. Anyone can sympathize with their plight. But pro-life activists and their political allies long ago hijacked the case for their own purposes.
They previously persuaded Florida's Legislature to intervene, much as Congress has now. Last fall, the Florida Supreme Court ruled the Legislature had exceeded its authority. The U.S. Supreme Court declined to intervene, which should have settled the dispute. There was no need for intervention by politicians in some far-off capital preening for the next election or trying to distract attention from other issues.
In a nationwide poll conducted Sunday for ABC News, the public appeared to see it that way: 70% said Congress' action was inappropriate. In a USA TODAY/CNN/Gallup Poll Friday-Sunday, 61% said they would also have a spouse's feeding tube removed in similar circumstances.
Two-thirds of those in the ABC poll also said they thought elected officials were getting involved more for political reasons than for any devotion to principle. They have good reason to be suspicious. The case is a rallying point for religious conservatives who now play a dominant role in Republican politics, and their influence is clear.
Those most active in politicizing the case are Republicans who typically proclaim their devotion to reducing the interference of the federal government in people's lives. These include Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist and Florida Gov. Jeb Bush, both potential candidates for a future Republican presidential nomination.
Frist, a heart surgeon and one of the few physicians in Congress, even presumed to offer his own optimistic diagnosis of Schiavo's prospects based on viewing a few clips from a family-provided videotape. That's a dubious method for practicing medicine. Medical specialists say the occasional eye movements and reflex actions that Schiavo's parents and their supporters see as encouraging are common signs of false hope.
For House Majority Leader Tom DeLay, whose professional expertise is in pest control, not terminal-care decisions, the issue is a convenient distraction from allegations about ties to unsavory lobbyists and a Texas fundraising scandal.
DeLay says Schiavo is being starved to death. President Bush said Monday it's "wise to always err on the side of life." There's no reason to doubt the sincerity of their beliefs or that of others who voted for the bill. But it is not their judgment to make.
It is a judgment for the family, certainly, with input from doctors familiar with the case. And for the courts, unavoidably, if family members disagree. But not for politicians, who have too little knowledge and too many motives.
When the Founders wrote the Constitution, they devoted the largest section to spelling out the powers of Congress. Nowhere did they include the right to play doctor. Terri Schiavo's story is tragic enough without political malpractice.
http://usatoday.printthis.clickabil...ials/2005-03-21-our-view_x.htm&partnerID=1660
Congress suddenly seems intent on practicing medicine without a license. Or is it just practicing politics?
No member of the House or Senate has ever examined Terri Schiavo, the Florida woman who has been in a persistent vegetative state with no hope of recovery since suffering severe brain damage 15 years ago.
Schiavo's husband and two other witnesses have testified that she had said that she would never want to be kept alive artificially.
Courts have reviewed the case for 12 years and ruled consistently that the husband should be entrusted with her care and that his decision to remove the feeding tube that sustains her life should stand.
But Congress thinks it knows better. Early Monday, President Bush signed a special bill opening the federal courts for a rerun of the family fight over whether Schiavo should be allowed to die. The latest round began with a hearing Monday in Tampa and seemed destined for appeals.
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OTHER RIGHT-TO-DIE CASES
Karen Ann Quinlan. Quinlan, 21, collapsed in 1975 after consuming alcohol and tranquilizers. She fell into a coma and emerged in a persistent vegetative state. In 1976, the New Jersey Supreme Court agreed to her father's petition to take her off a respirator. She began breathing on her own. Her feeding tube remained. She died of pneumonia in 1985.
Nancy Cruzan. A car accident in 1983 left Cruzan unconscious. She could breathe on her own but needed a feeding tube. A Missouri court agreed with her parents that she would not want to be kept alive, but state officials challenged the decision. The U.S. Supreme Court, in its first right-to-die case, ruled 5-4 in 1990 that Cruzan had a right to refuse treatment but said her parents did not present sufficient evidence of her wishes. Friends testified that she would not want to be kept alive; the Missouri court allowed her tube to be removed. She died 12 days later.
Terry Wallis. After a car accident in 1984, Wallis was in a coma for three months. He had brain-stem injuries, was semiconscious and was paralyzed below the neck. In June 2003, he began to speak. His first words were "Mom. Pepsi. Milk." A quadriplegic, he is undergoing physical therapy and living with his family.
Robert Wendland. The resident of Stockton, Calif., 40, was seriously injured in a car accident in 1993. His wife wanted a feeding tube removed, but his mother said her son would want to live. Experts differed on his level of consciousness. In 2001, Wendland died of pneumonia while his case was pending at the California Supreme Court. The court later ruled that food and water should not be kept from a patient who is mentally incompetent but conscious, unless "clear and convincing evidence" proves the patient wanted to die.
Source: USA TODAY research
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It is shameful political grandstanding. It also is an appalling precedent for political interference in the most painful decisions any family can face. An estimated 14,000 to 35,000 Americans are in persistent vegetative states. Does Congress plan to meddle in the medical and legal judgments on each one?
The Schiavo case is certainly sad and extraordinary. Her parents, pained and unable to let her go, have fought for custody so they could keep her feeding tube in place. Anyone can sympathize with their plight. But pro-life activists and their political allies long ago hijacked the case for their own purposes.
They previously persuaded Florida's Legislature to intervene, much as Congress has now. Last fall, the Florida Supreme Court ruled the Legislature had exceeded its authority. The U.S. Supreme Court declined to intervene, which should have settled the dispute. There was no need for intervention by politicians in some far-off capital preening for the next election or trying to distract attention from other issues.
In a nationwide poll conducted Sunday for ABC News, the public appeared to see it that way: 70% said Congress' action was inappropriate. In a USA TODAY/CNN/Gallup Poll Friday-Sunday, 61% said they would also have a spouse's feeding tube removed in similar circumstances.
Two-thirds of those in the ABC poll also said they thought elected officials were getting involved more for political reasons than for any devotion to principle. They have good reason to be suspicious. The case is a rallying point for religious conservatives who now play a dominant role in Republican politics, and their influence is clear.
Those most active in politicizing the case are Republicans who typically proclaim their devotion to reducing the interference of the federal government in people's lives. These include Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist and Florida Gov. Jeb Bush, both potential candidates for a future Republican presidential nomination.
Frist, a heart surgeon and one of the few physicians in Congress, even presumed to offer his own optimistic diagnosis of Schiavo's prospects based on viewing a few clips from a family-provided videotape. That's a dubious method for practicing medicine. Medical specialists say the occasional eye movements and reflex actions that Schiavo's parents and their supporters see as encouraging are common signs of false hope.
For House Majority Leader Tom DeLay, whose professional expertise is in pest control, not terminal-care decisions, the issue is a convenient distraction from allegations about ties to unsavory lobbyists and a Texas fundraising scandal.
DeLay says Schiavo is being starved to death. President Bush said Monday it's "wise to always err on the side of life." There's no reason to doubt the sincerity of their beliefs or that of others who voted for the bill. But it is not their judgment to make.
It is a judgment for the family, certainly, with input from doctors familiar with the case. And for the courts, unavoidably, if family members disagree. But not for politicians, who have too little knowledge and too many motives.
When the Founders wrote the Constitution, they devoted the largest section to spelling out the powers of Congress. Nowhere did they include the right to play doctor. Terri Schiavo's story is tragic enough without political malpractice.
http://usatoday.printthis.clickabil...ials/2005-03-21-our-view_x.htm&partnerID=1660
Perhaps that man's intervention simply prolonging Terri's suffering?
Maybe God's wish was to take Terri from the very beginning and all we did was interfere with God's wishes?
Who here speaks for God and know what his wishes are? I would certainly not even dream to do so, nor whould I ever be so presumptive to quote scripture and presume that I could speak on his behalf.
Maybe God's wish was to take Terri from the very beginning and all we did was interfere with God's wishes?
Who here speaks for God and know what his wishes are? I would certainly not even dream to do so, nor whould I ever be so presumptive to quote scripture and presume that I could speak on his behalf.
snowmiser
Inactive
did anyone listen to Bobby Schindler on Glenn Beck this morning? he said some things regarding Michael Schiavo's behavior that I haven't heard reported in the MSM.
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they just put the interview up in the free audio section. click the Windows Media button next to the text. http://www.glennbeck.com/audio/free-audio.shtml
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they just put the interview up in the free audio section. click the Windows Media button next to the text. http://www.glennbeck.com/audio/free-audio.shtml
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phoenix7of7
Deceased
"In a nationwide poll conducted Sunday for ABC News, the public appeared to see it that way: 70% said Congress' action was inappropriate. In a USA TODAY/CNN/Gallup Poll Friday-Sunday, 61% said they would also have a spouse's feeding tube removed in similar circumstances."
Polls are WHOLLY irrelevant to doing what's right. Especially when the people being polled are most likely totally ignorant of the facts. Polls? You've GOT to be kidding!
"Those most active in politicizing the case are Republicans ... "
So now taking a position on a thing is politicizing. Like I give a rats ass if someone is making political points or not. Again, completely irrelevant to the fact that a defenseless person is being starved to death, who was likely put in her condition by her guardian, who's prognosis is completely subject to question, and who's personal wishes are completely unknown.
Two other points to bear in mind. (1) If so much of the country is opposed to resuscitation measures - I guess I won't bother helping someone who isn't concious and coherent enough to ask for it and (2) this legal murder is going to have 'interesting' implications for the baby boomers heading on to the roles of govt-funded medical care. That will be quite effective in keeping down the costs being borne by the Logan's Runners.
Polls are WHOLLY irrelevant to doing what's right. Especially when the people being polled are most likely totally ignorant of the facts. Polls? You've GOT to be kidding!
"Those most active in politicizing the case are Republicans ... "
So now taking a position on a thing is politicizing. Like I give a rats ass if someone is making political points or not. Again, completely irrelevant to the fact that a defenseless person is being starved to death, who was likely put in her condition by her guardian, who's prognosis is completely subject to question, and who's personal wishes are completely unknown.
Two other points to bear in mind. (1) If so much of the country is opposed to resuscitation measures - I guess I won't bother helping someone who isn't concious and coherent enough to ask for it and (2) this legal murder is going to have 'interesting' implications for the baby boomers heading on to the roles of govt-funded medical care. That will be quite effective in keeping down the costs being borne by the Logan's Runners.
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