POL (poll) So does Obama get any credit?
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fairbanksb
Freedom Isn't Free
Aren't there still 50,000 troops there?
et2
TB Fanatic
Supposedly not combat troops. Maybe I'm wrong?
et2
TB Fanatic
Why?
It ain't over yet.Just watch a debacle unfold.I predict that he'll be sending our soldiers back within the year.The ones remaining won't be enough.I'm not saying whether we should go or stay,but mark my words,this won't end pretty.
Besides,I have yet to see Obama display any competence,ever.
et2
TB Fanatic
I don't think so ... Bush already claimed combat mission was over.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/05/01/iraq/main551946.shtml
Hfcomms
EN66iq
No...not at all. Doesn't matter what you call them, combat troops or peacemakers. The patrols are still going on, the helicopters are still flying and we still have rapid reaction forces to bail out the Iraqies when they get in trouble. You can put perfume on a pig but it's still a pig.
et2
TB Fanatic
So the fact that most of our military combat forces are coming home from that hell hole doesn't mean anything? It was declared to be over before yet combat forces remained and continued to engage in a war that was based on a pack of lies. We still have military bases all over the world ... does that still mean we are at war with our old enemies?
I dunno ... I'm glad to finally see our soldiers coming home.
Garf
Inactive
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Withdrawal_of_U.S._troops_from_Iraq
Under this plan, the majority of troops will be withdrawn just a month after the deadline in the signed agreement between former President George W. Bush and Prime Minister of Iraq Nouri al-Maliki where the majority of troops will be withdrawn at one point, and the entirety of troops to be out by December 31, 2011.
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This plan falls almost into perfect alignment with the one signed by President George W. Bush and then prime-minister Nouri Al-Maliki, with the exception of being a month behind, as the majority of troops under that plan were supposed to be withdrawn by June 30th, 2010 with all troops being withdrawn by December 31, 2011
And that's what Obama should get the credit for? Copying GW Bush, a month late?
Under this plan, the majority of troops will be withdrawn just a month after the deadline in the signed agreement between former President George W. Bush and Prime Minister of Iraq Nouri al-Maliki where the majority of troops will be withdrawn at one point, and the entirety of troops to be out by December 31, 2011.
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This plan falls almost into perfect alignment with the one signed by President George W. Bush and then prime-minister Nouri Al-Maliki, with the exception of being a month behind, as the majority of troops under that plan were supposed to be withdrawn by June 30th, 2010 with all troops being withdrawn by December 31, 2011
And that's what Obama should get the credit for? Copying GW Bush, a month late?
With 50000 troops still there in harms way I say no he doesnt get any credit. Sure the combat troops are out but then who is protecting our men and women still there? Hope it is more than the Iraqis and I fear we will see a rise in the nimber of American casualties due to the emboldened insurgents. If that is the case I hope he has the balls to send the combat troops back to get them all out.
GardenOfGlory
Inactive
That's exactly right. Obama merely followed Bush's timeline.
No the mans a hypocrite
Obama in 2007: “I am not persuaded that 20,000 additional troops in Iraq is going to solve the sectarian violence there. In fact, it will do the reverse….”
"preventing a potential genocide in Iraq isn’t a good enough reason to keep U.S. forces there."
Obama in 2007: “I am not persuaded that 20,000 additional troops in Iraq is going to solve the sectarian violence there. In fact, it will do the reverse….”
"preventing a potential genocide in Iraq isn’t a good enough reason to keep U.S. forces there."
Great Northwet
Veteran Member
Well darn it, I voted yes; of course now that I think about it, how does anyone know if this is the right course of action.
If Iraq runs as a responsible state on it's own, then I would give him the points in a year, or two. Otoh, if Iraq desintegrates into a chaotic cesspool(which I believe it could), then of course he should get all the blame.
I think history and hindsight will be the way that we know if it was a right or wrong choice.
If Iraq runs as a responsible state on it's own, then I would give him the points in a year, or two. Otoh, if Iraq desintegrates into a chaotic cesspool(which I believe it could), then of course he should get all the blame.
I think history and hindsight will be the way that we know if it was a right or wrong choice.
Caplock50
I am the Winter Warrior
Nope, no credit. All the Liar-in-Chief did was, once again, vote 'present'. As has just been pointd out, Bush set the withdrawal schedule. All he did was let it happen.
He *will* try to take credit for it.
You watch, though...if things go haywire over there, he'll blame Bush, once again, for it.
He *will* try to take credit for it.
You watch, though...if things go haywire over there, he'll blame Bush, once again, for it.
Does Obama earn any respect for ending combat actions in Iraq?
No of course not. He didn't vote for the war, he didn't vote for the surge, he didn't pull out the moment he became pres as he repeatedly promised. He waited until Bush's war ended on it's own.
Thanks Mr. Bush for staying the course and winning when all the liberals wanted to cut and run.
No of course not. He didn't vote for the war, he didn't vote for the surge, he didn't pull out the moment he became pres as he repeatedly promised. He waited until Bush's war ended on it's own.
Thanks Mr. Bush for staying the course and winning when all the liberals wanted to cut and run.
Zulu Cowboy
Keep It Real...
He doesn't even deserve the title 'Commander in Chief', if you ask me...
Not until I see proof of U.S. citizenship.
The man is a fraud.
Zulu Cowboy
Not until I see proof of U.S. citizenship.
The man is a fraud.
Zulu Cowboy
Oilpatch Hand
3-Bomb General, TB2K Army
No credit. This troop drawdown was made possible not by his own exertions, but by those of men far superior to the current occupant of the White House. In fact, had Obama had his way in 2007-2008, this moment simply would not be possible.
In typical fashion, Obama is attempting to take credit for the accomplishments of vastly better men than himself.
In typical fashion, Obama is attempting to take credit for the accomplishments of vastly better men than himself.
undead
Veteran Member
This televised pronouncement was a political move intended to counter his real problems with the American people, and even within his own party. Like I said, the trajectory of this withdrawl had already been put in place before Obama took office, and what this was all about was Obama's own personal downward spiraling trajectory.
Lilbitsnana
On TB every waking moment
Why? He had no part in setting up any type of gov there.
What exactly has he done that GWB didn't put in place or outline?
That would be like giving me points instead of A. G. Bell because I used the telephone today.
ambereyes
Veteran Member
Yes, they are and still doing what they do. So no the dear leader gets a big no. He has left 50,000 troops there with the Iraq's as their protection, now that is scary.
sssarawolf
We're just plugging along.
Ditto
NoPlugsNM
Deceased
Actually, 2 months late AND the totality will not be leaving by Dec 31 2011 as planned either - didn't Obama say something about the end of summer next year?? and even then, some will still remain??
I do not see the US putting any troops BACK into Iraq, Obama said it very straight forwardly - Iraq's destiny is now theirs to control, we are done with our part. So, he is letting them, or seeing to it that they have full control. We all know that it will return to the Shiite hole it once was, with all the factions warring as they have done for all the centuries we have recorded writings about them. SOS Iraq, soon SOS Afghanistan, all for not.
NP
medic38572
TB Fanatic
Go ahead
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Usually Curious
Inactive
No, he won't get any credit from me until there are NO MORE US soldiers in the M.E. And come to think of it, brings the rest home from all over BFE and stations on our southern border in full combat regalia.
WildDaisy
God has a plan, Trust it!
He didn't end anything. He just stuck to the schedule that was already in place from Bush. Bush was the one that said in August 2010 they would come home.
Does he get a prize for doing nothing? It was already in the works.
So he blames Bush for when things are wrong, but doesn't give Bush the credit when things go right?
Does he get a prize for doing nothing? It was already in the works.
So he blames Bush for when things are wrong, but doesn't give Bush the credit when things go right?