REL GENRL "What would Jesus do if He were us? He would welcome the neighbor."

Fred

Middle of the road
http://www.commercialappeal.com/news/2010/aug/28/common-threads/

Cordova Christians put out welcome mat for new mosque

When pastor Steve Stone initially heard of the mosque and Islamic center being erected on the sprawling land adjacent his church, his stomach tightened.

Then he raised a 6-foot sign reading, "Welcome to the Neighborhood."

The issue for Stone and the 550-person Heartsong Church in Cordova, came down to one question:

"What would Jesus do if He were us? He would welcome the neighbor," Stone said.

The Memphis Islamic Center, a nonprofit organization formed three years ago, is two weeks from breaking ground on the first phase of a multimillion-dollar complex.

While plans for Islamic centers across the country and just miles away have triggered vitriolic responses and divided communities, here in Memphis it's been a peaceful process.

On a 31-acre stretch at Humphrey Road and Houston Levee, Memphis Islamic Center leaders plan to build a massive gathering place during the next several years. It will include a mosque, youth center, day care center, indoor gym, sports fields, medical clinic and retirement home.

While the 4,000-square-foot worship hall is being completed, Heartsong has opened its doors to its neighbors throughout the monthlong observance of Ramadan.

Under a gigantic cross constructed of salvaged wood, nearly 200 area Muslims have been gathering each night to pray.

"I think it's helped break down a lot of barriers in both congregations," said Islamic center board member Danish Siddiqui.

Yet, only a four-hour drive east of Memphis, Murfreesboro saw intense protests, with billboards going up to try to block plans for a similar Murfreesboro Islamic Center.

Even televangelist Pat Robertson weighed in against it.

Elsewhere in Middle Tennessee, plans for a Brentwood mosque were defeated in May after residents mounted a campaign raising suspicion over mosque leaders having ties to terrorism.

The most publicized of the debates has been the furor over an Islamic center proposed near ground zero in New York.

"I've got fear and ignorance in me, too," said Stone, referring to his and some of his congregants' early apprehension toward the Memphis center.

But as members of the Christian congregation take the opportunity to sit in on Ramadan prayers and meet people at the nightly gatherings, much of that mystery and fear has dissipated.

"People in Memphis appreciate faith, even if it's not their faith," said Shaykh Yasir Qadhi, the Islamic center's scholar in residence and a Rhodes College professor.

The peaceful tone in the Bluff City has been refreshing for Qadhi, 35, who recently moved to Memphis from Connecticut, where early this month his Bridgeport mosque was descended on by angry protestors yelling slurs at families as they arrived for evening prayer.

"We're living in a climate of Islamophobia," he said.

The Memphis project hasn't been entirely free of criticism. Bloggers and religious publications have speculated that the Memphis group is receiving funding from Saudi Arabia, which the local Islamic board says is completely false.

"If the community can't put it together, it's not worth it," said Siddiqui, a Germantown resident.

Other accusations have been lobbed at Shaykh Qadhi for anti-Semitic comments made a decade ago.

"I made a very major mistake," said Qadhi, adding that he has spent years apologizing for the statements he made as a young student discounting the importance of the Holocaust.

The Islamic scholar's track record since has been one of promoting peace.

He recently returned from a trip to Auschwitz concentration camp, where he joined other Islamic and Jewish leaders to draw awareness to the atrocities of the Holocaust.

"I've learned one of my biggest lessons since that time. We have to separate our theology from politics," he said.

The overarching fear being voiced in protests going on across the country is that Islamic centers will become hubs for teaching extremism.

But Islamic center board members say it's to the contrary.

Islamic community centers help form solid Muslim-American identities and keep young kids and adults from feeling marginalized, they said.

Without a place to call home, young Muslims are more likely to seek more radical interpretation of the Quran online, says Arsalan Shirwany, a board member and father of three.

When it is finished, the new facility will be a center for the whole community, and a place for interfaith cooperation, Shirwany said.

"This is what we need to fight extremism," he said.
 

Ender

Inactive
Luke 10:25-37 (New International Version)

The Parable of the Good Samaritan

25On one occasion an expert in the law stood up to test Jesus. "Teacher," he asked, "what must I do to inherit eternal life?"

26"What is written in the Law?" he replied. "How do you read it?"

27He answered: " 'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind'[a]; and, 'Love your neighbor as yourself.'"

28"You have answered correctly," Jesus replied. "Do this and you will live."

29But he wanted to justify himself, so he asked Jesus, "And who is my neighbor?"

30In reply Jesus said: "A man was going down from Jerusalem to Jericho, when he fell into the hands of robbers. They stripped him of his clothes, beat him and went away, leaving him half dead. 31A priest happened to be going down the same road, and when he saw the man, he passed by on the other side. 32So too, a Levite, when he came to the place and saw him, passed by on the other side. 33But a Samaritan, as he traveled, came where the man was; and when he saw him, he took pity on him. 34He went to him and bandaged his wounds, pouring on oil and wine. Then he put the man on his own donkey, took him to an inn and took care of him. 35The next day he took out two silver coins[c] and gave them to the innkeeper. 'Look after him,' he said, 'and when I return, I will reimburse you for any extra expense you may have.'

36"Which of these three do you think was a neighbor to the man who fell into the hands of robbers?"

37The expert in the law replied, "The one who had mercy on him."
Jesus told him, "Go and do likewise."
 

pugdog

Membership Revoked
I must have the wrong Bible. My Bible talks about Jesus speaking truth wherever he went, confronting others and preaching the truth in love to them. I can't recall him backing down to anyone. I even hear a story of him kicking some money changers arses in the temple.

By this article I guess Jesus should have been more respectful to those with different beliefs and simply kept his mouth shut and move on to the next town.:rolleyes:
 

Ender

Inactive
I must have the wrong Bible. My Bible talks about Jesus speaking truth wherever he went, confronting others and preaching the truth in love to them. I can't recall him backing down to anyone. I even hear a story of him kicking some money changers arses in the temple.

By this article I guess Jesus should have been more respectful to those with different beliefs and simply kept his mouth shut and move on to the next town.:rolleyes:

The people whose "arses" were kicked by Jesus were usually Pharisaical hypocrites who punished others while breaking the law themselves.
 

pugdog

Membership Revoked
Yea, so those people are so much worse than a religion given to the world by satan. Google what islam says about the end times and you will see what islam is. You guys would be the people in the back of the crowd telling Jesus to shut up and quit rocking the boat. Shame.
 
I must have the wrong Bible. My Bible talks about Jesus speaking truth wherever he went, confronting others and preaching the truth in love to them. I can't recall him backing down to anyone. I even hear a story of him kicking some money changers arses in the temple.

By this article I guess Jesus should have been more respectful to those with different beliefs and simply kept his mouth shut and move on to the next town.:rolleyes:



Then too - the muslims have had almost a decade since 9-11 to TRULY build bridges and create links to (as they see it) the infidels. Sad to say very little of this has been apparent.

To claim they now want to build this islamic center to further build such 'bridges' in the immediate area of a place that was subjected to extremely murderous acts exclusively by members of their religion is - at the very very least - incredibly poor judgment - more likely a blatant attempt to stick it in the eye of the infidel - and might even be seen as an islamic war memorial of some kind...none of which should be acceptable or accepted...regardless of the "legal right" to build such.

Can we even begin to contemplate the response if the Japanese bought the land for and attempted to build a huge Japanese religious shrine/center very near the Battleship Arizona in Hawaii?
 

pugdog

Membership Revoked
Jesus would walk over and talk with the muslims. Preach to them the Gospel of Jesus Christ and then be arrested and shamed for hate speech.
 

pugdog

Membership Revoked
Hey, what if the U.S. wanted to put an ambassy a few blocks from ground zero in Hiroshema?

My thoughts, is even though it may be legal and have good intentions, it is not appropriate and I would be againest it, but then again I have a concious. (spelling)
 

Ender

Inactive
Hey, what if the U.S. wanted to put an ambassy a few blocks from ground zero in Hiroshema?

My thoughts, is even though it may be legal and have good intentions, it is not appropriate and I would be againest it, but then again I have a concious. (spelling)

Too late for an embassy- there is already an American military base there.
 

Lone Wolf

Lives on TB
Jesus would walk over and talk with the muslims. Preach to them the Gospel of Jesus Christ and then be arrested and shamed for hate speech.


WWJD

He would go over and preach to them and as happened in Rome, he would be Crucified for it.

You beware of a muzzie. Much like a cobra and a rattle snake,

lw
 
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pugdog

Membership Revoked
There is a military base a few blocks from Heroshima ground zero? I did not know that, you are full of knowledge. I know there is a Marine base to the south but did not know there was a U.S. military base on ground zero. The maps don't show it, must be well camoflagued:rolleyes:

If you are gonna just make up outright lies, you can do better then that. You should just claim the U.S. military has a nuclear research facility where they make nuclear weapons and biological weapons while building GM vehicles a block from hiroshima ground zero.
 

China Connection

TB Fanatic
Look it is just a matter of what the population of the local community consists of. If there are enough Muslims to fill a mosque then they should be able to build one just the same as if there were enough Christians to build a church.

We are being set up by our own media and power groups for WWIII. The idea is to get rid of both Christians and Muslims and to come in with a new one world religion for those left.

I have lived amongst Muslims and found that most are nice people but they have a few more nutters perhaps than we have in the West per thousand people.

We are being played by those in power to hate join up and kill. They have the same types in power also.

Find your real enemies and don't be lead is my advise. Who allowed the mass migration of Muslims into Europe and Western countries and is there behind the media? They are not Christians or Muslims but Satanists in sheep's clothing.


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AddisonRose

On loan from Heaven
http://www.commercialappeal.com/news/2010/aug/28/common-threads/

Cordova Christians put out welcome mat for new mosque

When pastor Steve Stone initially heard of the mosque and Islamic center being erected on the sprawling land adjacent his church, his stomach tightened.

Then he raised a 6-foot sign reading, "Welcome to the Neighborhood."

The issue for Stone and the 550-person Heartsong Church in Cordova, came down to one question:

"What would Jesus do if He were us? He would welcome the neighbor," Stone said.

The Memphis Islamic Center, a nonprofit organization formed three years ago, is two weeks from breaking ground on the first phase of a multimillion-dollar complex.

While plans for Islamic centers across the country and just miles away have triggered vitriolic responses and divided communities, here in Memphis it's been a peaceful process.

On a 31-acre stretch at Humphrey Road and Houston Levee, Memphis Islamic Center leaders plan to build a massive gathering place during the next several years. It will include a mosque, youth center, day care center, indoor gym, sports fields, medical clinic and retirement home.

While the 4,000-square-foot worship hall is being completed, Heartsong has opened its doors to its neighbors throughout the monthlong observance of Ramadan.

Under a gigantic cross constructed of salvaged wood, nearly 200 area Muslims have been gathering each night to pray.

"I think it's helped break down a lot of barriers in both congregations," said Islamic center board member Danish Siddiqui.

Yet, only a four-hour drive east of Memphis, Murfreesboro saw intense protests, with billboards going up to try to block plans for a similar Murfreesboro Islamic Center.

Even televangelist Pat Robertson weighed in against it.

Elsewhere in Middle Tennessee, plans for a Brentwood mosque were defeated in May after residents mounted a campaign raising suspicion over mosque leaders having ties to terrorism.

The most publicized of the debates has been the furor over an Islamic center proposed near ground zero in New York.

"I've got fear and ignorance in me, too," said Stone, referring to his and some of his congregants' early apprehension toward the Memphis center.

But as members of the Christian congregation take the opportunity to sit in on Ramadan prayers and meet people at the nightly gatherings, much of that mystery and fear has dissipated.

"People in Memphis appreciate faith, even if it's not their faith," said Shaykh Yasir Qadhi, the Islamic center's scholar in residence and a Rhodes College professor.

The peaceful tone in the Bluff City has been refreshing for Qadhi, 35, who recently moved to Memphis from Connecticut, where early this month his Bridgeport mosque was descended on by angry protestors yelling slurs at families as they arrived for evening prayer.

"We're living in a climate of Islamophobia," he said.

The Memphis project hasn't been entirely free of criticism. Bloggers and religious publications have speculated that the Memphis group is receiving funding from Saudi Arabia, which the local Islamic board says is completely false.

"If the community can't put it together, it's not worth it," said Siddiqui, a Germantown resident.

Other accusations have been lobbed at Shaykh Qadhi for anti-Semitic comments made a decade ago.

"I made a very major mistake," said Qadhi, adding that he has spent years apologizing for the statements he made as a young student discounting the importance of the Holocaust.

The Islamic scholar's track record since has been one of promoting peace.

He recently returned from a trip to Auschwitz concentration camp, where he joined other Islamic and Jewish leaders to draw awareness to the atrocities of the Holocaust.

"I've learned one of my biggest lessons since that time. We have to separate our theology from politics," he said.

The overarching fear being voiced in protests going on across the country is that Islamic centers will become hubs for teaching extremism.

But Islamic center board members say it's to the contrary.

Islamic community centers help form solid Muslim-American identities and keep young kids and adults from feeling marginalized, they said.

Without a place to call home, young Muslims are more likely to seek more radical interpretation of the Quran online, says Arsalan Shirwany, a board member and father of three.

When it is finished, the new facility will be a center for the whole community, and a place for interfaith cooperation, Shirwany said.

"This is what we need to fight extremism," he said.

Horse Hockey.
 

kozanne

Inactive
Jesus would walk over and talk with the muslims. Preach to them the Gospel of Jesus Christ and then be arrested and shamed for hate speech.

Having spoken the Gospel of Jesus Christ to a few Muslims, I can tell you that they are as nailed down to their belief that Jesus Christ is not the Son of God as we are convinced that He is. Even if they are actually listening to you, they never forget that the punishment for apostasy is death.

Ask Rifqa Barry.
 

jed turtle

a brother in the Lord
Find your real enemies and don't be lead is my advise. Who allowed the mass migration of Muslims into Europe and Western countries and is there behind the media? They are not Christians or Muslims but Satanists in sheep's clothing.


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the people i consider to be true enemies of us who consider ourselves to be true Americans, are those who have long ago declared us to be their enemies. ie: communists, fascists, and islamists.

add to that, the liberal elitists who hate, in particular, christians who do not support sodomites and lesbians in their exercise of "choice", and christians who defy the abomination of abortion on demand.

most of those elitests are themselves homosexuals and are the most militant and hateful group around. i consider them enemies also.

i also consider those "colored" groups, like la raza and the black muslims and all negro gangs to be enemies of Americans, based on their record of rhetoric and violent actions. of course, all of them are mere pawns of the real Enemy: Satan. but pawns of Satan are dangerous enough to pay serious attention to them and give serious thought to countering their plans to harm and destroy the rest of us.
 

Kent

Inactive
The idea is to get rid of both Christians and Muslims and to come in with a new one world religion for those left.

The Anti-Christ may be Muslim.

If Europe becomes Islamized, the “revived Roman Empire” prophetic model will fit many of the Bible prophecies of the Last Days.

http://whenthepiecesfit.org/

By the way, were the "peaceful" Muslims you live with Sunni or Shiah? If Sunni, were they Wahhabi, like most of the ones on 09/11/01?

Most of the new Mosques are Wahhabi, are they not?
 

Kent

Inactive
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/opinion/opedcolumnists/behind_the_mosque_yXUJDCpszRLF9dG1heLU1H
Behind the mosque

By ANDREW G. BOSTOM

Last Updated: 10:26 AM, July 29, 2010

Posted: 12:37 AM, July 23, 2010

Imam Feisal Rauf, the central figure in the coterie planning a huge mosque just off Ground Zero, is a full-throated champion of the very same Muslim theologians and jurists identified in a landmark NYPD report as central to promoting the Islamic religious bigotry that fuels modern jihad terrorism.

This fact alone should compel Police Commissioner Raymond Kelly and Mayor Bloomberg to withdraw their support for the proposed mosque.

In August 2007, the NYPD released "Radicalization in the West -- The Homegrown Threat." This landmark 90-page report looked at the threat that had become apparent since 9/11, analyzing the roots of recent terror plots in the United States, from Lackawanna, NY, to Portland, Ore., to Fort Dix, NJ.

The report noted that Saudi "Wahhabi" scholars feed the jihadist ideology, legitimizing an "extreme intolerance" toward non-Muslims, especially Jews, Christians and Hindus. In particular, the analysts noted that the "journey" of radicalization that produces homegrown jihadis often begins in a Wahhabi mosque.

The term "Wahhabi" refers to the 18th century founder of this austere Islamic tradition, Muhammad bin Abdul al-Wahhab, who claimed inspiration from 14th century jurist Taqi al-Din Ahmad Ibn Taymiyyah.

At least two of Imam Rauf's books, a 2000 treatise on Islamic law and his 2004 "What's Right with Islam," laud the implementation of sharia -- including within America -- and the "rejuvenating" Islamic religious spirit of Ibn Taymiyyah and al-Wahhab.

He also lionizes as two ostensible "modernists" Jamal al-Dinal-Afghani (d. 1897), and his student Muhammad Abduh (d. 1905). In fact, both defended the Wahhabis, praised the salutary influence of Ibn Taymiyyah and promoted the pretense that sha ria -- despite its permanent advocacy of jihad and dehumanizing injunctions on non-Muslims and women -- was somehow compatible with Western concepts of human rights, as in our own Bill of Rights.

In short, Feisal Rauf's public image as a devotee of the "contemplative" Sufi school of Islam cannot change the fact that his writings directed at Muslims are full of praise for the most noxious and dangerous Muslim thinkers.

Indeed, even the classical Sufi master that Rauf extols, the 12th-century jurist Abu Hamed Muhammad ibn Muhammad al-Ghazali, issued opinions on jihad and the imposition of Islamic law on the vanquished non-Muslim populations that were as bellicose and bigoted as those of Ibn Taymiyyah.

Also relevant is the Muslim Leaders of Tomorrow program run by the American Society for Muslim Advancement, an organization founded by Rauf and now run by his wife. Among the future leaders it has recognized are one of the co-authors of a "denunciation" of the NYPD report, a counter-report endorsed by all major Wahhabi-front organizations in America. Another "future leader" of interest to New Yorkers: Debbie Almontaser, the onetime head of the city's Khalil Gibran Academy.

More revealing is the fact that Rauf himself has refused to sign a straightforward pledge to "repudiate the threat from authoritative sharia to the religious freedom and safety of former Muslims," a pledge issued nine months ago by ex-Muslims under threat for their "apostasy." That refusal is a tacit admission that Rauf believes that sharia trumps such fundamental Western principles as freedom of conscience.

Wahhabism -- whether in the form promoted by Saudi money around the globe, or in the more openly nihilist brand embraced by terrorists -- is a totalitarian ideology comparable to Nazism or, closer still, the "state Shintoism" of imperial Japan. We would never have allowed a Shinto shrine at the site of the Pearl Harbor carnage -- especially one to serve as a recruiting station for Tokyo's militarists while World War II was still on.

For the same reasons, we must say no to a Wahhabi mosque at Ground Zero.

Andrew G. Bostom is the au thor of "The Legacy of Jihad" and "The Legacy of Islamic Antisemi tism."
 

etc

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What ever happened to the immigrants coming here and assimilating?

that worked very well for 200 years, hm, now it seems they must have 'theirs' and we 'ours'.

I don't mind them coming if they assimilate.
 

TidesofTruth

Veteran Member
Uh were all going to find out EXACTLY what Jesus would do in very short order.



And I don't think a welcome sign is in their future. If you think Jesus is a weak, mild mannered, live and let live, forgive everybody without repentance, kind of God then you do not know who Jesus is.

And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war. His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself. And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God. And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean. And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God. And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS. And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God; That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great. And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army. And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone. And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh. Rev 19:11-21
 

Ender

Inactive
There is a military base a few blocks from Heroshima ground zero? I did not know that, you are full of knowledge. I know there is a Marine base to the south but did not know there was a U.S. military base on ground zero. The maps don't show it, must be well camoflagued:rolleyes:

If you are gonna just make up outright lies, you can do better then that. You should just claim the U.S. military has a nuclear research facility where they make nuclear weapons and biological weapons while building GM vehicles a block from hiroshima ground zero.

Ok, so its 20 miles- sorry, sarcasm doesn't always come across on the net.

However, since we decimated 100's of 1000's of people and 2 cities, 20 miles is pretty close to GZ- at least it would be to me, if I were Japanese.
 

conundrum

Inactive
This is comparing the teaching of Jesus for each individual person vs a world religion.

Christians believe in sharing the gospel and not returning evil for evil but not in welcoming or blessing the endeavors of a religion that denies the gospel. There are nice, gentle people in both religions. One religion says to be gentle the other one does not. Read the actual books.

The problem is not what Jesus would do, but what someone else said to do-

Christians persecuted under Islam
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWpIWDjQLUU
 
Back during the Leftist anti-war protests in NYC in 2004 I was a protest warrior where we'd infiltrate and protest the anti-American protesters:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OacolaQf_qU

I was thinking of sneaking into the pro-mosque protests with a double-sided protest sign:

sign1.jpg


sign3.jpg


Then we'd see how peaceful the religion of peace is!

Look....how long do you tolerate the intolerant before you're no longer tolerated?

These Islamicists have the legal right to build a mosque near Ground Zero to the chagrin of 9/11 victims and America-as-a-whole, much like a woman has a legal right to get an abortion. These Americans have the legally-protected freedom to sin against fellow Americans, but don't expect others to quietly tolerate such wrongdoing. The righteous will stand up for the truth and stick it in the face of the evildoers regardless of life and limb.
 
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FarmerJohn

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Church actually AT Ground Zero

Then too - the muslims have had almost a decade since 9-11 to TRULY build bridges and create links to (as they see it) the infidels. Sad to say very little of this has been apparent.

So a $100,000 contribution from the Emir of Qatar to rebuild the Church of St. Nicholas (actually destroyed at Ground Zero,) counts for what? I understand that they're still trying to squeeze $55 million out of the taxpayer-funded NY & NJ Port Authority....

I realize that bridge-building by muslims does not get much press on FOX, et, al.
 

Topusaret

Deceased
Ok, so its 20 miles- sorry, sarcasm doesn't always come across on the net.

However, since we decimated 100's of 1000's of people and 2 cities, 20 miles is pretty close to GZ- at least it would be to me, if I were Japanese.

The lesson the Japanese may take from that is to not start something they could not finish.

I am thankful every day for the sacrifices of the WWII generation and for their political and national will to understand the millions of lives saved by the destruction of those two cities.
 

Thomas Paine

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Ok, so its 20 miles- sorry, sarcasm doesn't always come across on the net.

However, since we decimated 100's of 1000's of people and 2 cities, 20 miles is pretty close to GZ- at least it would be to me, if I were Japanese.

Ender there was nothing wrong with nuking those people it was war and they were the enemy. The fact they died saved large numbers of american soldiers from dieing and an even larger number from being wounded or crippled for life. The fact is if we were fighting the war on terror like we fought WWII we would be a lot better off.
 

denfoote

Inactive
The Anti-Christ may be Muslim.

The Beast, Abomination of Desolation, same MAN, IS Muslim, and his name is Barak Hussein Obama!!!!

Daniel 8:23-27

23 “ And in the latter time of their kingdom,
When the transgressors have reached their fullness,
A king shall arise,
Having fierce features,
Who understands sinister schemes.
24 His power shall be mighty, but not by his own power;
He shall destroy fearfully,
And shall prosper and thrive;
He shall destroy the mighty, and also the holy people.
25 “ Through his cunning
He shall cause deceit to prosper under his rule;[c]
And he shall exalt himself in his heart.
He shall destroy many in their prosperity.
He shall even rise against the Prince of princes;
But he shall be broken without human means.[d]
26 “ And the vision of the evenings and mornings
Which was told is true;
Therefore seal up the vision,
For it refers to many days in the future.”

27 And I, Daniel, fainted and was sick for days; afterward I arose and went about the king’s business. I was astonished by the vision, but no one understood it.

OBAMA IS THE ANTI CHRIST!!!
 

Ender

Inactive
Ender there was nothing wrong with nuking those people it was war and they were the enemy. The fact they died saved large numbers of american soldiers from dieing and an even larger number from being wounded or crippled for life. The fact is if we were fighting the war on terror like we fought WWII we would be a lot better off.

Plenty of proof that the Japanese had tried to surrender before the bombs were dropped- also many prominent generals were against this.

The bombs were dropped to scare the Russians- not stop the Japanese.
 

Bad Hand

Veteran Member
Ender that is BS some of the Japanese wanted to continue to fight even after the bombs were dropped.
 

undead

Veteran Member
So a $100,000 contribution from the Emir of Qatar to rebuild the Church of St. Nicholas (actually destroyed at Ground Zero,) counts for what? I understand that they're still trying to squeeze $55 million out of the taxpayer-funded NY & NJ Port Authority....

I realize that bridge-building by muslims does not get much press on FOX, et, al.

bridge-builidng???!!!


uhhhhhh, what part of continuing a clearly antagonistic location siting for this mosque involves "bridge-building" by this twit Imam????

what do you do, view that Hugo Chavez-channel MSNBC to get your definition of bridge-building?

can some be really this clueless about the REAL issue at hand [ radical muslim confrontational behavior ]?




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undead

Veteran Member
Plenty of proof that the Japanese had tried to surrender before the bombs were dropped- also many prominent generals were against this.

The bombs were dropped to scare the Russians- not stop the Japanese.

Cool, then, two birds killed with one stone (bomb).
 

lectrickitty

Great Great Grandma!
Did you forget that

The people whose "arses" were kicked by Jesus were usually Pharisaical hypocrites who punished others while breaking the law themselves.
Muslim men believe they OWN the females of their family. They believe they have the right to rape and kill their female family members. IIRC, They believe they have the right to "marry" unrelated females for an hour (even children as young as 6 months of age!) After using the females any way they want, they can then return them to their family, whereupon the family will then do an "honor killing" to preserve the family "honor".

Where's the honor in selling your female children as sex toys and then murdering them for obeying their parent???

That doesn't sound like the kind of people I want living or even visiting my neighborhood. If Jesus was here today, he'd probably be doing some arse kicking.
 

Emily

One Day Closer
Between the Blacks wanting restoration for the slave trade this generation had nothing to do with and the Hispanics wanting 12 million amnesty this year and an open border to let as many as who wants to come here and go on our welfare program to completely bankrupt the working tax payer and the Muslims insisting that our feelings don't matter and we have to be nice to them even if the pattern of building a big ole victory Mosque on sites of their conquering victories through violence is being pushed in American faces -
I think Americans are at the breaking point.
 
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