WTF?!? TIME Magazine Favors Two Years Of Slavery

http://www.lewrockwell.com/blog/lewrw/archives/022176.html

July 28, 2008
TIME Magazine Favors Two Years Of Slavery
Posted by Manuel Lora at July 28, 2008 07:28 PM

The latest disgusting editorial in favor of mandatory national service begins with this atrocity: "It is a unique moment for the idea of national service." Funny that this requires legislation. Nothing but a civilian form of the draft. Very, very evil.

A couple of links:


"Leadership" and other organizations sponsoring TIME's national service summit

Text of the bill introduced by Charles Rangel
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http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1823951,00.html

It is a unique moment for the idea of national service. You have two presidential candidates who believe deeply in service and who have made it part of their core message to voters. You have millions of Americans who are yearning to be more involved in the world and in their communities. You have corporations and businesses that are making civic engagement a key part of their mission.

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The Case For National Service - The Case For National Service

Last September, our cover story "The Case for National Service" caused an outpouring of interest in and support for citizen service across the country. This year, in addition to publishing another issue on the idea of service, we are convening--along with the Carnegie Corporation of New York and with presenters AARP and Target--a national bipartisan summit in New York City that will bring together hundreds of leading Americans to plan and lay out a bold blueprint on citizen service. The event will start on the evening of Sept. 11--that solemn anniversary seemed an appropriate time to launch this effort--and the meeting itself will occur the next day, Sept. 12. The summit will also be the first major public event for ServiceNation, a national campaign of more than 100 organizations--ranging from AARP to the National Council of La Raza and Habitat for Humanity--that collectively represent some 100 million Americans. My co-chairs at the summit will be Alma Powell, Caroline Kennedy, Carnegie president Vartan Gregorian and AARP CEO Bill Novelli. The summit will be opened by New York City mayor Mike Bloomberg, who himself is an exemplar of citizen service, and will be closed by California governor Arnold Schwarzenegger, who is the first governor to create a cabinet post to oversee service and volunteering.

To kick off the summit, ServiceNation has invited Senators John McCain and Barack Obama to a presidential forum on service. The purpose of the forum is to give both candidates a chance to discuss their views on citizenship and sketch out their ideas for the role of service in America.

All the partners are keen to make the summit a place for not only dialogue but also action. To that end, ServiceNation is working with Senators Ted Kennedy and Orrin Hatch on legislation designed to expand opportunities for volunteering and national service. ServiceNation will urge the next President and Congress to enact that legislation by Sept. 11, 2009. Two weeks after the summit, ServiceNation will engage tens of thousands of Americans in hundreds of events across the country in a national Day of Action to highlight the benefits and goals of citizen service.

A Campaign Conversation

Two weeks ago, we presented dueling essays by the presidential candidates on the nature of patriotism. This week, Senators Obama and McCain face off on their strategies for Afghanistan. Their essays inaugurate a regular feature called In Their Words, in which the candidates will share a page and debate an issue of our choosing. Every week, we give you great reporting and analysis on the presidential campaign, but now we're also offering you the unvarnished and unfiltered views of the candidates so you can compare them side by side.
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The ServiceNation Leadership Council is comprised of some of the most distinguished and influential American leaders and thinkers, all of whom believe that citizen service should be part of every American’s life.

http://www.bethechangeinc.org/servicenation/summit/leadership

This is the link showing how and who are planning this draft.

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The link at Lew Rockwell to the bill by Charles Rangel did not work for me. I guess this is where they are saying 2 years...if someone knows how to search these bills it would be interesting to see it.

Yea, this has happened before. Does anyone remember "Hitler Youth".
I might sound like an extremist, yet after a conversation with my most conservative brother the other day, I'm convinced that this is exactly what it is.

Alternatively it is Starship Troopers.

Or Kibutzim.

Or Swiss.

ask not what your country can do for you - ask what you can do for your country.

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what ever happened to this?

Damn commies!

Of course they and their children will be the first to join this new peasant army right?

G-Man said:

what ever happened to this?

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What ever happened to that country?

Time Magazine is a far-left rag from way back.



This is not surprising at all coming from those Trotskyites.




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That's why it's called Community Service now. It ain't VOLUNTEER work anymore.

Sorry. Involuntary servitude. They can stick it.

Volunteering your time and effort in a noble cause is a worthy endeavor!
But when that same 'service' is compulsory, it ceases to be noble...and smacks of involuntary servitude!
Why do you think this nation endured all of those protests in the 1960's?
Because America's young people were being drafted into the military, against their will...

Zulu Cowboy
www.GunsUSA.org
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yeah

I think someone missed an important part of what JFK asked..........




ASK

Zulu Cowboy said:

Volunteering your time and effort in a noble cause is a worthy endeavor!
But when that same 'service' is compulsory, it ceases to be noble...and smacks of involuntary servitude!
Why do you think this nation endured all of those protests in the 1960's?
Because America's young people were being drafted into the military, against their will...

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Can you imagine:

your 82 years old waiting for your meals on wheels delivery when a 250 lb. dread lock/ tatooed hip hopper pulls up with the "kill whitey" pumping through the sound system, huge gold chains around his neck, an earring in each ear, trousers around his knees, and hands you your meal with a huge gold plated toothy grin. As he struts back to the delivery van he puts a small red X on your mailbox and eases away......

Many government schools already have a community service hours requirement in order to receive a diploma.

I'm already serving my community and my country. I'm setting an example for my children by keeping an intact two-parent traditional family, where the children receive both discipline and forward-thinking encouragement, and nurture and admonition in the Lord. Statistically the chances of them ending up receiving government welfare or turning into criminals is astronomically small.

This is requiring no less than 4 x 18 life-years from me. I think I've done my part for Der Homeland.

FLF

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ETA: Oh, yeah. I almost forgot. I'm also paying about $10K a year to the government school system and receiving zippo in return. Guess you could say I donate those dollars for the indoctrination of other children into the government plan.

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We have come a long way

We started our nation with this view:

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.

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Now we have come to the point in our history where "THE ONE" and his supporters want to turn this 180 degrees around and FORCE the people to be servants to the government.

This is not a good trend!

Young Pioneers. If you're not old enough to remember them, look them up.

And Abert's phrase about turning free people into "servants of the gevernment" is spot-on.

The homeless shelter I've worked with does not take anyone who is doing mandatory community service (graduation, court sentences....).

These people don't want to be there, don't believe in the cause, and do only the minimum required. No thanks.

FLF, that isn't community service. What that IS, is doing the job you signed up for when you became pregnant. Nothing more....


Unfortunately you are in the minority as to actually DOING that job.

fruit loop said:

The homeless shelter I've worked with does not take anyone who is doing mandatory community service (graduation, court sentences....).

These people don't want to be there, don't believe in the cause, and do only the minimum required. No thanks.

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Which means that when Habitat for Humanity starts seeing their homes fall down and kill entire families, they will have no one to blame but themselves. Forcing people to do a job is a good way to get the job done wrong. There is no way my kid will be forced to work for some welfare bums, serving them in some form. If I have to, I will start my own not-for-profit and just sign off on the paper was the head person in charge. If my kid will do _anything_ mandatory, it will be to clean up a park or something in a neighborhood I approve of (like our own community neighborhood). They will not be made to go to some dumpy Section 8 housing project to pick up the trash that the occupants threw all over the place themselves.

Ravekid said:

Which means that when Habitat for Humanity starts seeing their homes fall down and kill entire families, they will have no one to blame but themselves. Forcing people to do a job is a good way to get the job done wrong. There is no way my kid will be forced to work for some welfare bums, serving them in some form. If I have to, I will start my own not-for-profit and just sign off on the paper was the head person in charge. If my kid will do _anything_ mandatory, it will be to clean up a park or something in a neighborhood I approve of (like our own community neighborhood). They will not be made to go to some dumpy Section 8 housing project to pick up the trash that the occupants threw all over the place themselves.

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...maybe when I see Pelosi move a homeless family with a bad case of halitosis into her mansion




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Some anti war friends and I have been talking.

Some anti war friends and I have been talking. And we've been wondering what happened to the Peace Corps and stuff like that?

THERE SHOULD be an option for kids who have nothing, no experience, no money for college (make that adults too), who can do something OTHER than enlist in the military so they can get a college education or specific work experience. Imagine a type of 'national guard' where you could get engineering experience fixing state infastructure and then go in to regular 'civilian' work because you really 'know stuff' and have people who'd vouch for you.

Oh man, so many problems with teens that have nothing to do could be fixed so quickly with something like that. BUT it would have to be a positive, learning situation, you can have the discipline of the military just not the killing. Learn CPR, and all sorts of life saving techniques in your first year and then pick if you go in to traditional EMS, or fire and rescue.. you don't get too close to the danger but act in a support roll to those who do. Who wouldn't hire a kid like that after his time is done? Or give him the money to get the training to become the guy who then DOES get close to the danger or drives the ambulence.

This is SORT of an idea that COULD work, as long as its not manditory. Like DragonSlayer said "ASK" .. and as long as something positive can come from the hard work. So many problems could be fixed, instead of training kids to shoot guns in other countries, train them to fix the problems that crop up at home.

Just what we've been kicking around a bit.

-VMX

I already serve my country...

It's called PAYING MY TAXES!

Check out their poll:

http://www.bethechangeinc.org/servicenation/take_action/poll

I noted that the option, "I don't believe in enslaving the productive to the unproductive," was missing so I e-mailed them and let them know.

Hopefully they'll fix it real soon now.

Vis, review the history of the Peace Corps, and you will find that they never had college benefits and such.

And a google search will show that the Peace Corps is still going strong.

Wow, the Time article didn't make clear that it was mandatory!

To require all persons in the United States between the ages of 18 and
42 to perform national service, either as a member of the uniformed
services or in civilian service in furtherance of the national defense
and homeland security, to authorize the induction of persons in the
uniformed services during wartime to meet end-strength requirements
of the uniformed services, to amend the Internal Revenue Code of 1986
to make permanent the favorable treatment afforded combat pay under
the earned income tax credit, and for other purposes.

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Up to age 42, just like the Swiss obligation for males to do military training!

The wealthy people will just trade in their "service offset credits" (just like their "carbon offset credits") to keep themselves and their families from having to serve. The financially challenged will stay that way...

Can One Say .... ' Sieg Heil '

To require all persons in the United States between the ages of 18 and
42 to perform national service, either as a member of the uniformed
services or in civilian service in furtherance of the national defense
and homeland security, to authorize the induction of persons in the
uniformed services during wartime to meet end-strength requirements
of the uniformed services, to amend the Internal Revenue Code of 1986
to make permanent the favorable treatment afforded combat pay under
the earned income tax credit, and for other purposes.

Hermit said:

Wow, the Time article didn't make clear that it was mandatory!Up to age 42, just like the Swiss obligation for males to do military training!

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Hummm, considering U.S. Code Title 10, Chapter 13, section 311, http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/10/311.html ...


TITLE 10 > Subtitle A > PART I > CHAPTER 13 > § 311

§ 311. Militia: composition and classes

(a) The militia of the United States consists of all able-bodied males at least 17 years of age and, except as provided in section 313 of title 32, under 45 years of age who are, or who have made a declaration of intention to become, citizens of the United States and of female citizens of the United States who are members of the National Guard.
(b) The classes of the militia are—
(1) the organized militia, which consists of the National Guard and the Naval Militia; and
(2) the unorganized militia, which consists of the members of the militia who are not members of the National Guard or the Naval Militia.

Interesting compare/contrast...

Note that there is no mention of "community service", i.e. non-security roles. Although it would depend upon the definitions used in any such legislation. Unless they're looking at internal security problems like that within Pakistan or Iraq, i.e. AQAM/Hezbollah campaigns or dealing with Mexico imploding, adding more than 10 divisions worth of troops to the DoD kind of makes you wonder what exactly you're thinking about doing either internally or expeditionarily.

The CCC and WPA were not "meals on wheels" operations. But at the same time they were not mandatory either.

The supporters of this call themselves "agents of change", sounds a lot like the Obama presidential slogan.

What “civilian national security force” may really mean

Fair use
http://shining-city.net/blog/?p=367

by Jen O'Hara

Well, as promised, I’m bringing you the information Jim Quinn got from his Washington insider, known as “son of deep throat”. Earlier this month, Obama said that our military is not capable of protecting and defending us (though I thought there was nothing we needed protection from…?), and as a result, he will institute a “civilian national security force”. The dazzled ObaMessiah fans in the audience applauded away, but some were rather curious as to what on earth the Messiah meant by this.

For one thing, his election isn’t going to simply vaporize evil around the world? The bad guys won’t turn themselves in, grovel at his feet, repent for their sins, and beg for his forgiveness? Wow…what a disappointment for the man who can stop the oceans for rising! Maybe he has limits after all?

Well, those queries aside, here’s the scoop, via Jim Quinn of Pittsburgh’s War Room.

It ain’t pretty.

Barack Obama is basing his plans for this civilian force on something whipped up by Canadian Senator Jacques Hebert, called the “Katimavik“. Katimavik is the Inuit word for “commune”. Hebert, an admitted communist and avowed socialist, was a big supporter of the USSR and communist China as far back as the 60s and 70s. In the late 70s, he came up with the idea for and initiated Katimavik, in an attempt to get rid of Canada’s version of the ROTC, the volunteer military cadets. Hebert called his Katimavik a “people’s peace brigade” (hello, China!).

Hebert’s organization eventually did replace Canada’s cadet programs as the country continued moving to the left. The program meant 2 years of unpaid service in return for a college education paid for by the taxpayers, regardless of grades or criminal history (those gentle Canucks). The “service” rendered took place in bureaucratic jobs, as the young people also took government-provided classes about the ‘proper’ operation of government, systems of government around the world, and other multi-cultural/global citizen type education. Katimavik members were also required to learn two languages other than the ones they already spoke (generally English and French).

Other than government-education, not being paid for work, forcing taxpayers to pay for the education of children not their own (twice over!), and indoctrinating young people into a bureaucratic state of mind while removing a proud, patriotic love of country, not bad. Especially when one recalls that Hitler, Stalin, and Mao installed these sorts of programs too, complete with mandatory enrollment.

When the conservatives regained power in the 80s, Katimavik was ended due to its clear communist heritage. Unfortunately, in 1985 the program was reinstated when the lefties took charge once again.

This is Barack’s inspiration for his “civilian national security force”, though there are some key differences. Barack may have gotten this idea from his avowed Communist mentor and CPUSA member Frank Marshall Davis, who called this sort of thing a “heroic and necessary program for America”.

According to Quinn, Barack’s own youth peace brigade (in addition to healing powers, I suppose) is meant to get youth involved with and in the government, but not in the time-honoured, or at least Founding Fathers intended, American fashion.

First of all, Barack intends it to be mandatory for all Americans. They are to serve two years, without pay, after high school and before going to trade school or college. Of course, that education will be paid for by the American taxpayer, and I presume living expenses during the two years of work will be supplied by We, The People as well.

Though this sort of thing is nowhere supported in the US Constitution, it does get millions to work for the government, without pay no less, and means a yearly expansion of government, bureaucracy, and fatter cloven hooves in Washington. It is also a way to reinstate the draft without saying so, and without paying anyone. Unsurprisingly, the NAACP, civil rights groups, and black liberation ‘churches’ love this plan, as do the Muslim groups.

According to Jim Quinn’s source, it is the ObaMessiah’s intention to cut the (paid and very highly skilled) US military by ninety percent. That is not a typo on my part, as difficult to imagine as it is. The budget will be cut by 50% (the other 40, I presume, can pay for those youths in the civilian security force). The youth peace brigade/national security force members will go through boot camp and then service with no pay. As I said Friday, this is clearly a way to undercut support for the military, and as Jim pointed out on the air today, a way to keep socialist, Marxist, and Islamist leaders around the world safe from the butt-kicking arm of the United States.

Jim closed by noting that the world is very excited about the idea of a “neutered America at the hands of Barack Obama”. Doubtless Ahminajihad, Chavez, Kim Jong-Il, communist China, and other assorted tyrants and dictators are thrilled, because with such a hamstrung military and an unpaid “security force” made up of those who are forced to serve regardless of ability, no one will want to go to war with these bastards no matter what they do: nuke Europe, nuke Washington, take out Israel, whatever.

In a nutshell, this means that you and your children would be forced by Barack (and Michelle, because let’s face it, she’s more frightening than Obama, and that is saying a LOT) to “serve your country”, unpaid, all while sitting in classes meant to encourage you to thoughtlessly trust in, depend upon, and support the government, and God only knows what else.

What did I say about slavery?

This raises a lot of questions, to say the least. Would Americans stand for this? They might, they might…most of them are rather drowsy and uninformed.

This plan steals two years of Americans’ lives, years they could instead be building a family, a business, a church, or a charity of their own (imagine that). It’s also a great way to undermine the family and one’s faith, because I guarantee certain faiths will be denigrated beyond belief from positions of authority.

As far as the education…Who will pay all of these instructors, and what will they be teaching? Moreover, which will they not be allowed to teach? With “government” paying for everyone’s college education, that means government will also have the right to dictate curriculum and activities. It’s not hard to imagine just how far that power will reach, is it? Could a per-family child limit be far behind?

I’ll say it again: Barack Obama is a tyrant in the wings. He’s smooth and slick and well-produced (though he can barely put four words together without a script or TelePrompter), but as all should know, appearances can be very, very deceptive.

From Fisher's last post...

First of all, Barack intends it to be mandatory for all Americans. They are to serve two years, without pay, after high school and before going to trade school or college. Of course, that education will be paid for by the American taxpayer, and I presume living expenses during the two years of work will be supplied by We, The People as well.

Though this sort of thing is nowhere supported in the US Constitution, it does get millions to work for the government, without pay no less, and means a yearly expansion of government, bureaucracy, and fatter cloven hooves in Washington. It is also a way to reinstate the draft without saying so, and without paying anyone. Unsurprisingly, the NAACP, civil rights groups, and black liberation ‘churches’ love this plan, as do the Muslim groups.

According to Jim Quinn’s source, it is the ObaMessiah’s intention to cut the (paid and very highly skilled) US military by ninety percent. That is not a typo on my part, as difficult to imagine as it is. The budget will be cut by 50% (the other 40, I presume, can pay for those youths in the civilian security force). The youth peace brigade/national security force members will go through boot camp and then service with no pay.

Even draftees in peacetime got paid the same as the regulars. Man-o-man, if this is even 50% correct and gets the coverage it deserves wow, the DNCs going to have all sorts of fun defending it!

night driver said:

FLF, that isn't community service. What that IS, is doing the job you signed up for when you became pregnant. Nothing more....


Unfortunately you are in the minority as to actually DOING that job.

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Are you saying that contributing productive citizens does not serve my community?

FLF

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"...in civilian service in furtherance of the national defense
and homeland security...."

No Habitat for Humanity or even cleaning up the projects in that. Spying on the neighbors would be more like it, like in Maoist China where every city block had a block warden to make sure everyone went to their indoctrination classes and didn't have children without permission.

FLF: You pay over $10,000 in property taxes for schools? Whoa. More than I ever read Maryland was charging.

Just bring back the draft!! Stop whinning.

KenGin31 said:

Just bring back the draft!! Stop whinning.

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For round numbers, we're talking about impacting about 96 million people between the ages of 18-42. With another 4 million 18 year olds annually. And that's out of a country of over 300 million contrary SOBs to boot. That's a lot of people to potentially tick off.

It's one thing to call up the U.S. Militia, through "the Draft", via Selective Service during time of war (and I mean 'a la 1939-45), even to tap that reserve for labor in a state of national emergency and recovery after something along the lines of either a nuclear attack, Yellowstone going up or the New Madrid Fault going off full throttle. But this has the likely outcome of hoisting these guys upon their own petard.

The first link to a related article is one from 2007 in Time, Looking At Public Service, A Time To Serve, http://www.time.com/time/specials/2...7256_1657317,00.html?iid=sphere-inline-bottom

Interestingly it starts out with a quote attributed to Franklin...

As the Constitutional Convention of 1787 came to a close, after three and a half months of deliberation, a lady asked Dr. Franklin, "Well, Doctor, what have we got, a republic or a monarchy?" "A republic," replied the Doctor, "if you can keep it."
— ANECDOTE FROM THE RECORDS OF THE FEDERAL CONVENTION OF 1787, ED., MAX FARRAND, VOL. 3, APPENDIX A, 1911

How appropriate can you get?

Lone Eagle Woman said:

Can One Say .... ' Sieg Heil '

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What does Hail Victory have to do with this thread??

Tiamat214 said:

What does Hail Victory have to do with this thread??

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Ever heard of the Friekorp, SA, SS, or Hitler Youth?

I'd still like to see this breakdown from FLF.

Quote: "I'm also paying about $10K a year to the government school system and receiving zippo in return."

TIME Magazine Favors Two Years Of Slavery


I vote we give Time Magazine their wish.

Each employee of T.M will now report to the salt mines to start their two year volunteer program you are so keen for.