GUNS/RLTD On The Impossibility Of Surrender

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The impossibility of surrender
Posted on March 15, 2018 by Oleg Volk

Most gun owners don’t know exactly how many guns they own. That should not be surprise: most mechanics couldn’t tell you how many wrenches they have, either. Guns are tools, and sometimes objects of collection, sometimes heirlooms, sometimes wall decorations. So a person might say: “We have around thirty guns” and be pretty close to right. Two-three carry pistols per family member, rimfire rifles and pistols for plinking, shotguns for defense and sport and hunting, rifles for varmints and for deer, and another for unbidden 3am guests. Oh, and that heirloom gallery rifle, and great-grandma’s purse revolver that’s so old it has no serial number. And great-grandpa’s WW2 bringbacks. “I think that’s it.” So all thirty guns get turned in to the government, right?

If that family has only an approximate idea of how many guns they have, government officials are unlikely to know the true number with any greater accuracy. If the officials are convinced that more guns are on hand than the people actually have, how are the victims to cough up the balance or prove the unprovable? During WW2, occupying armies would check local gun registries and shoot those who couldn’t produce everything listed. A gun being lost or destroyed years prior was no excuse.
Or the government record might indicate thirty and the reality is thirty six. Now the officials have to worry about a trained group of people who have a legitimate gripe and some weapons still on hand. Even if they get all guns currently owned, more may be manufactured, bought, traded or stolen from official users. As a result, they forever have to worry about competent and motivated insurgents. Historically, such problem was solved with executions or imprisonment of the newly disarmed.

With those two options, gunowners cannot afford to give up anything at all — to do otherwise would be to condemn themselves and their whole families to immediate and dire peril. Both sides know it, and government bullies dare not deal a small injury to their constituents…some hold out for the opportunity to strike big, others try to encroach by degrees. In the 1930s Europe, encroachment by degrees took several years, culminating in mass murder.

Posted in civil rights, rkba, self-defense, weapon | Tagged history | 15 Comments
 

Millwright

Knuckle Dragger
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I really think the number of guns and number of pissed off Americans is an abstract number that the average leftist can't comprehend.

It's akin to the average ghetto-ape thinking that most of America is the same as there 6 blocks of the 'hood.

These dipshitz live their cloistered little lives in a 5 mile radius and the closest they ever get to flyover country is some PBS special.

Even the reality of gun confiscation is beyond their grasp....in their mind, it would happen like a 1 hour episode of COPS.


They really don't have a clue...






as to how many people will do them harm.
 
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L.A.B.

Goodness before greatness.
The article touches upon a potential any cognitive and practical person would have already considered. Let's punch that theme out a little bit further and contemplate 'The Just Folliwing Orders Krowd' and how an actuary might quantify the number of early retirements taken.

The BOR's keeps it civil. Let's all strive to maintain that standard.
 

ShadowMan

Designated Grumpy Old Fart
Just remember that Registration = CONFISCATION!!

The other thing that the socialist bastards don't realize is that Americans are also GUN MAKERS! AK's, AR's are easy to build from scratch. Not to mention a lot of other variations on the theme.

The bottom line is that AMERICANS, real AMERICANS WILL - NOT - EVER - BE - DISARMED!! EVER!!
 

night driver

ESFP adrift in INTJ sea
I really think the number of guns and number of pissed off Americans is an abstract number that the average leftist can't comprehend.

It's akin to the average ghetto-ape thinking that most of America is the same as there 6 blocks of the 'hood.

These dipshitz live their cloistered little lives in a 5 mile radius and the closest they ever get to flyover country is some PBS special.

Y'know, really, you have no clue how many folks who post HERE this is true of. It might be better phrased:"they live their lives within a 10 mile circle with 20 neighbors inside that circle and have no clue about the folks who live in cities, small-medium-OR large."

A 12 by 12 block square with me in the center has more people than live in my hometown....and this is not Center City density at all....
 

Luddite

Has No Life - Lives on TB
I have thought that this would be the final chapter: Pick a calamity. EMPEEEE, virus, civil war 3, etc. etc.

The guv will have "safety zones" that provide food shelter and wifi for fauxbook. You go in w/o your weapons.

Anyone left outside would be an enemy-combatant and treated as such. Freedom lovers, gun-owners, preppers, all enemies.

The sheeple are easily managed after that.

This is not original thought but I see it being their end-game. I bet if you look in your area you'll find a spot "hiding in plain sight" for this purpose. Probably been there for years. Probably a public/private mix.

UGLY is an understatement concerning the outcome of my WAG above. ^^^^
 

Jerry799

Veteran Member
I have thought that this would be the final chapter: Pick a calamity. EMPEEEE, virus, civil war 3, etc. etc.

The guv will have "safety zones" that provide food shelter and wifi for fauxbook. You go in w/o your weapons.

Anyone left outside would be an enemy-combatant and treated as such. Freedom lovers, gun-owners, preppers, all enemies.

The sheeple are easily managed after that.

This is not original thought but I see it being their end-game. I bet if you look in your area you'll find a spot "hiding in plain sight" for this purpose. Probably been there for years. Probably a public/private mix.

UGLY is an understatement concerning the outcome of my WAG above. ^^^^

The PTB still have to get supplies INTO that "safe" zone. And the supplies have to come from somewhere. The reason that kinda worked in the "green Zone" in Iraq (same concept) is that there was an entire country (USA) producing and shipping supplies. And the US was damn lucky to keep that ONE island in Iraq "safe" Now picture trying to do that in dozens of cities in the US with no safe supply routes. Picture New Orleans during Hurricaine Katrina on steroids. You wouldn't even need an armed insurrection, looters would take out the supply trains on their own.
 

Luddite

Has No Life - Lives on TB
The PTB still have to get supplies INTO that "safe" zone. And the supplies have to come from somewhere. The reason that kinda worked in the "green Zone" in Iraq (same concept) is that there was an entire country (USA) producing and shipping supplies. And the US was damn lucky to keep that ONE island in Iraq "safe" Now picture trying to do that in dozens of cities in the US with no safe supply routes. Picture New Orleans during Hurricaine Katrina on steroids. You wouldn't even need an armed insurrection, looters would take out the supply trains on their own.

You are absolutely correct. Whether there would be enough of the "just following orders krowd" that LAB mentioned above would be debatable. If that krowd knew their families were safe, I'm thinking there would be a big sign-up sheet.

The sad thing is, those "outside" would be killing each other rather than being able to focus on common goals. Don't forget, info would be non-existent.

All this is low-probability, truly a mental self-pleasure exercise. (I see no pleasure for anyone :) )
 

Thinwater

Firearms Manufacturer
If I have 30 guns and the new ban outlaws 15 of them, how many guns do I now own?

All 30.

Come get some!
 

SmithJ

Veteran Member
Just remember that Registration = CONFISCATION!!

The other thing that the socialist bastards don't realize is that Americans are also GUN MAKERS! AK's, AR's are easy to build from scratch. Not to mention a lot of other variations on the theme.

The bottom line is that AMERICANS, real AMERICANS WILL - NOT - EVER - BE - DISARMED!! EVER!!

Aks and ARs are not easy to build. They are easy to assemble from kits, the AR especially so.

If you have to build from scratch you will find the equipment and precision needed to produce those barrels and forgings to be unavailable to most Americans.
 

20Gauge

TB Fanatic
I really think the number of guns and number of pissed off Americans is an abstract number that the average leftist can't comprehend.

It's akin to the average ghetto-ape thinking that most of America is the same as there 6 blocks of the 'hood.

These dipshitz live their cloistered little lives in a 5 mile radius and the closest they ever get to flyover country is some PBS special.

Even the reality of gun confiscation is beyond their grasp....in their mind, it would happen like a 1 hour episode of COPS.


They really don't have a clue...






as to how many people will do them harm.

I believe if they ever did a house to house and people cooperated, they would be amazed at how many guns there really are in America. These 300 - 600 million is far below what I believe there is in reality.
 

20Gauge

TB Fanatic
Just remember that Registration = CONFISCATION!!

The other thing that the socialist bastards don't realize is that Americans are also GUN MAKERS! AK's, AR's are easy to build from scratch. Not to mention a lot of other variations on the theme.

The bottom line is that AMERICANS, real AMERICANS WILL - NOT - EVER - BE - DISARMED!! EVER!!

Builders of all things. We may have lost a bit of industry, but there are many people who now build in their garages instead. All kinds of neat things.
 

20Gauge

TB Fanatic
I have thought that this would be the final chapter: Pick a calamity. EMPEEEE, virus, civil war 3, etc. etc.

The guv will have "safety zones" that provide food shelter and wifi for fauxbook. You go in w/o your weapons.

Anyone left outside would be an enemy-combatant and treated as such. Freedom lovers, gun-owners, preppers, all enemies.

The sheeple are easily managed after that.

This is not original thought but I see it being their end-game. I bet if you look in your area you'll find a spot "hiding in plain sight" for this purpose. Probably been there for years. Probably a public/private mix.

UGLY is an understatement concerning the outcome of my WAG above. ^^^^

Modern plantations?
 

20Gauge

TB Fanatic
Aks and ARs are not easy to build. They are easy to assemble from kits, the AR especially so.

If you have to build from scratch you will find the equipment and precision needed to produce those barrels and forgings to be unavailable to most Americans.

True. Yet, you can make a single shot out of parts from Home Depot in about 30 minutes. All off the shelf parts with no special machining. I do agree that the modern bolt does take a bit more effort and a lot of skill.
 

33dInd

Veteran Member
well
they talk about the manufactored weapons like getting them will solve some problem
How many of you would know how to make a Zip gun?
I do. SO should you
 

20Gauge

TB Fanatic
well
they talk about the manufactored weapons like getting them will solve some problem
How many of you would know how to make a Zip gun?
I do. SO should you

Yes, I do. I was trying to avoid say "zip" but that's what they are.

Also, I learned as a kid how to make jellied gasoline for other purposes. The fun aspects of being a kid. They don't teach those things anymore these days. What a shame. LOL
 

33dInd

Veteran Member
how many of you have ever built a kit muzzle loader?

The kits are still out there and most are not serialed.
What about that old post civil war rolling block 45 70
Old jap ariskas
Old Brit 303s
the Argentine and Italian cranacos
Folks get THAT stuff too.........dont take up much room and ammo is still for the most part plentiful
Hell. I even got a springfiled reproduction in .54 caliber
and an old .45 single shot muzzle loader I can ring your bell with
 

20Gauge

TB Fanatic
how many of you have ever built a kit muzzle loader?

The kits are still out there and most are not serialed.
What about that old post civil war rolling block 45 70
Old jap ariskas
Old Brit 303s
the Argentine and Italian cranacos
Folks get THAT stuff too.........dont take up much room and ammo is still for the most part plentiful
Hell. I even got a springfiled reproduction in .54 caliber
and an old .45 single shot muzzle loader I can ring your bell with

Not a bad idea. The lead can be cast into bullets with little issue. The powder would be a bit harder to get, but you could make it with enough effort. The zip idea is a bit more practical as center fire ammo would be easier to get a hold of in times of stress.
 

NoDandy

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Another thing to remember, this nation has a lot of bow hunters. Granted, not as efficient as guns. Overheard some guys in a shop, said if UN marched into his town, with his bow, he would acquire guns from UN troops. Me, I could not hit the broad side of a barn with a bow, but there are guys around here that are quite accurate with them.
 

20Gauge

TB Fanatic
Another thing to remember, this nation has a lot of bow hunters. Granted, not as efficient as guns. Overheard some guys in a shop, said if UN marched into his town, with his bow, he would acquire guns from UN troops. Me, I could not hit the broad side of a barn with a bow, but there are guys around here that are quite accurate with them.

I forgot about them.
 

NoDandy

Has No Life - Lives on TB
No explanation needed...


Turret Buster, thanks for posting that. A history lesson, and a Warning all in one. We should all make that go viral. I emailed that to my kids today. Hopefully they will continue passing it around !!

Thanks again !!!
 

Jackpine Savage

Veteran Member
Oleg Volk, in case anyone doesn't know, was born in Russia. He spent some time in MN, he's a good guy, makes his living taking pictures of guns.
 

NoDandy

Has No Life - Lives on TB
how many of you have ever built a kit muzzle loader?

The kits are still out there and most are not serialed.
What about that old post civil war rolling block 45 70
Old jap ariskas
Old Brit 303s
the Argentine and Italian cranacos
Folks get THAT stuff too.........dont take up much room and ammo is still for the most part plentiful
Hell. I even got a springfiled reproduction in .54 caliber
and an old .45 single shot muzzle loader I can ring your bell with

Yeah, I never was really into black powder weapons. But I can see the wisdom in maybe having a couple. I think I would like to have a blackpowder revolver, with a matching caliber rifle, if that is doable? Just would need to stock up on lead, black powder. percussion caps, pot, and molds, etc. Be a lot more cumbersome than modern weapons, but might be a god idea.
 

33dInd

Veteran Member
Yeah, I never was really into black powder weapons. But I can see the wisdom in maybe having a couple. I think I would like to have a blackpowder revolver, with a matching caliber rifle, if that is doable? Just would need to stock up on lead, black powder. percussion caps, pot, and molds, etc. Be a lot more cumbersome than modern weapons, but might be a god idea.


Any port in a storm
Have several BP revolvers...........colts first.
those are .36
I havent any that are same caliber.
Little trick on the revolvers is to buy several cylinders matched to the gun. Keep them loaded and those are the first speed loaders if you will.
 
Turret Buster, thanks for posting that. A history lesson, and a Warning all in one. We should all make that go viral. I emailed that to my kids today. Hopefully they will continue passing it around !!

Thanks again !!!

It does make a statement, does it not?
And you are most certainly welcome my friend. :sal:
 

NoDandy

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Any port in a storm
Have several BP revolvers...........colts first.
those are .36
I havent any that are same caliber.
Little trick on the revolvers is to buy several cylinders matched to the gun. Keep them loaded and those are the first speed loaders if you will.

I guess to get matched cylinders, one would contact the manufacturer ? Right ? Also, would mold for balls in say .44, or .36, work in both pistols as well as rifle? To keep your logistics simple ??

Thanks 33dInd !
 

Windy Ridge

Veteran Member
It is really amazing what can be done with items that can be purchased from Walmart. One local "recipe" does an excellent job of eliminating chicken eating varmints hiding in their burrows. Making it in large quantities requires more ingenuity and care but it can be done.

There were some really interesting conversations among the students in my last university chemistry class. One student was suspended after being caught trying to make nitroglycerin in chemistry lab. No, it wasn't me.

Having some old books on industrial chemistry before WWII might come in handy.

Windy Ridge
 

33dInd

Veteran Member
I guess to get matched cylinders, one would contact the manufacturer ? Right ? Also, would mold for balls in say .44, or .36, work in both pistols as well as rifle? To keep your logistics simple ??

Thanks 33dInd !

IN A WORD TO BOTH...YES
 
If I have 30 guns and the new ban outlaws 15 of them, how many guns do I now own?

All 30.

Come get some!

It is really amazing what can be done with items that can be purchased from Walmart. One local "recipe" does an excellent job of eliminating chicken eating varmints hiding in their burrows. Making it in large quantities requires more ingenuity and care but it can be done.

There were some really interesting conversations among the students in my last university chemistry class. One student was suspended after being caught trying to make nitroglycerin in chemistry lab. No, it wasn't me.

Having some old books on industrial chemistry before WWII might come in handy.

Windy Ridge

Potassium tri-iodide, always a laugh (not me, I can barely make coffee)
 

Dosadi

Brown Coat
ruger old army is a modern version of the 1858 cap n ball weapon.

Works like any other one of em

You can also get the conversion cylinder with a back plate that lets you replace the cylinder with one loaded with .45 lc ammo.

I enjoy my 1860 army and 1858 navies, I have a couple of dragoons and a 1872 open top from cimmaron

Lots of choices out there.

I have seen some pakastan village that makes fully operational versions of AK's in primitive village situations.

If they can do it, how much better will free men with better tools manage.

And if it gets to the point where having / making any weapon is immediate treated like you are a criminal, might as well make something that gets the job done. Maybe a BAR, or AK or belt fed browning or a ma deuce clone.

They have no idea the dam dam they would release upon themselves should they push those determined to live free and die free if they can't make the other guy die for his beliefs.
 
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