GUNS/RLTD Gun-Makers Have Sold AR-15s to Civilians For More Than 50 Years

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Gun-Makers Have Sold AR-15s to Civilians For More Than 50 Years

These ‘military-style’ firearms have a long history in private hands

by JOSEPH TREVITHICK

On June 12, 2016, Omar Mateen killed 49 people and wounded as many more at a gay club in Orlando — the deadliest mass shooting in American history.

The massacre reignited a now long-standing debate over whether civilians have any business owning “military-style” guns such as Mateen’s SIG Sauer MCX rifle.

“What if I’m asked why, a day after this massacre, I want to buy the very type of gun used to slaughter people at the Pulse nightclub in Orlando?” Helen Ubiñas, a columnist for The Philadelphia Inquirer, wrote on June 14. “I’m a gun-enthusiast with a soft spot for military-style rifles?”

“Turns out I don’t need a story. The AR-15 is on display in the window of the gun shop,” she added.

“I traveled to Philadelphia to better understand the firepower of military-style assault weapons and, hopefully, explain their appeal to gun lovers,” Gersh Kuntzman of The New York Daily News explained in a June 14 column. “Frank Stelmach of Double Tap Shooting Range and Gun Shop … has difficulty explaining why law-abiding citizens need a gun that can empty a 40-round clip in less than five seconds.”

Still, Ubiñas, Kuntzman — along with many others on both sides of the argument — left out an important point. Gun-makers have sold variants and derivatives of the AR-15 rifle — such as the MCX — to civilians for more than 50 years.




In this particular case, terminology is important. “AR-15” is a trade name, but one such as “Kleenex” or “Xerox.” It has entered the common lexicon to describe a broad category of weapons based around the same pattern.

Originally meaning “Armalite Rifle 15,” after the original manufacturer, the letters have come to simply represent “automatic rifle” in many people’s minds. With Armalite’s patents long-expired, any company can make AR-15 clones — and they do.

Regardless, both the news media and gun owners commonly refer to hundreds of different variants based on the initial Armalite design simply as “AR-15s,” regardless of a design’s origins or particulars.

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Swiss-owned SIG Sauer’s American subsidiary produces the MCX. It shares with other AR-15 derivatives a common lower frame, the part federal law treats as the central element of this broad group of firearms. If you own an AR-15 lower receiver, you own a gun, as far as authorities in Washington are concerned.

With a company-supplied conversion kit, anyone can convert existing AR-15 rifles into MCXs in the privacy of their own home — without needing to be a trained gunsmith, a licensed gun-dealer or a federally-approved manufacturer.


At top and above — a civilian handles an AR-15-type rifle during a U.S. Marine Corps recruiting event. U.S. Marine Corps photos


Though ubiquitous today, the Armalite’s lightweight rifle could easily have failed. In 1957, the company had rushed a prototype of an earlier, larger gun to the U.S. Army, in hope of securing a major contract.

During a torture-test at Springfield Armory, the barrel on this experimental AR-10 broke open. Already lobbying hard for their own design, the M-14, the Army’s weaponeers cited the AR-10 incident to help quickly dismiss the rival gun as a viable alternative.

The California gun-manufacturer, then still a division of the Fairchild Engine and Airplane Corporation, went back to the drawing board. Legendary gun-designer Eugene Stoner and his team scaled-down the rifle.

The new AR-15 was a marvel of then-state-of-the-art manufacturing processes and materials. Armalite made the AR-10s and -15s from lightweight aluminum and fiberglass, a break from the wood-and-steel guns of the recent past.

The AR-15 weighs less than eight pounds with a fully loaded 30 round magazine. By comparison, through World War II and Korea, American soldiers lugged the nine-and-a-half-pound M-1 rifle, which held only eight rounds.


The M-1 fired single shots. Armalite’s gun could fire individual rounds or spit out more than 12 rounds per second on fully automatic.

The AR-15 functions by sending some of the gas that propels the bullet down the barrel back through a pipe to force the main mechanism to open, eject the empty cartridge case and get another round ready to fire.

Critics of this design complain that particles in the gas can build up in the gas tube and elsewhere and jam up the gun. Like a number of newer AR-15 clones, the MCX’s cycle moves the action with a physical piston, keeping the gas out of the central parts of the rifle.

Most notably, the gun’s small, .22-caliber cartridge weighed less than did the Army’s older .30-caliber rounds or the 7.62-millimeter ones it adopted afterwards. With the AR-15, troops could carry more ammunition. The new gun didn’t kick nearly as badly as older weapons did.

At the time, the Pentagon was becoming increasingly interested in the possibility that troops might shoot more accurately under the stress of combat with smaller bullets or even tiny darts. The Army was running dozens of experiments on new projectiles — and weapons to go with them.

So a year after the Army rejected the AR-10, Armalite sent the new AR-15 to the ground combat branch for more tests. The response was favorable.

“The United States Army Infantry Board recommends that … [t]he Armalite (AR-15) rifle be considered a potential replacement for the M–14,” a 1958 report explained. Still, having just picked up the M-14, the service wasn’t rushing to buy any new rifles.

Colt Firearms image and art

Still, after failing twice to get a U.S. government contract, Armalite clearly worried about finding potential buyers. The company had sold only small numbers of AR-10s to small countries such as Portugal and Sudan. Larger potential sales to Germany and the Netherlands ultimately fell through.

So Armalite sold the rights to both the AR-10 and AR-15 to Colt Firearms, and moved on. Colt continued aggressively marketing the guns to the Pentagon — and to anyone else they could think of.

“Some interested buyers, such as The Philippines, are hamstrung by their military assistance pacts with the U.S.,” firearms expert Daniel Watters notes in a meticulously researched timeline of the rifle and its cartridge. “While the AR-15 is an American rifle, it isn’t a U.S. military-issue rifle; thus, U.S. military aid funds cannot be used to purchase the new rifle.”

By exploiting his personal connections, Colt representative Robert Macdonald did manage to grab the interest of the U.S. Air Force by showing off the AR-15 to Gen. Curtis LeMay at a birthday party for Fairchild’s ex-president Richard Boutelle in July 1960.

Macdonald sold LeMay on the guns by letting the cigar-chewing officer blast watermelons in Boutelle’s backyard. Then in charge of the flying branch’s nuclear bombers, LeMay pushed for the Air Force to buy the rifles for the airmen guarding his planes.

The Air Force became the first major customer for the firearms. But five years after the first AR-10 tests, the Army was still ambivalent on the new rifles.

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Secretary of Defense Robert McNamara, a technocrat, was more interested in a program to cook up a space-age dart gun coupled with a grenade launcher. McNamara was impressed by the AR-15, but only as a stopgap until the wonder weapons were ready for combat.

So, as the Pentagon and the Army dithered, Colt went in a different direction … and pitched the guns to private shooters. In 1963, advertisements started popping up in magazines such as Guns.

“With Colt’s new AR-15 Sporter, you’re ready for a new hunting adventure,” a full-page spread declared. “If you’re a hunter, camper or collector, you’ll want the AR-15 Sporter.”

Unlike their military counterparts, these guns could only fire single shots. Otherwise, they were functionally the same weapons. The AR-15 Sporter would set you back just shy of $190 — around $1,485 in 2016.

It’s not entirely clear if anyone at the time thought the AR-15 would sell well on the civilian market.

On May 24, HBO’s Real Sports aired an interview with Jim Sullivan, a former Armalite engineer who worked with Stoner on the original AR-15. In the now-controversial segment, Sullivan appeared to suggest the rifle had never been intended for the private market.

“That doesn’t mean I’m not pleased to see AR-15s sell on the civilian market,” Sullivan wrote in a rebuttal on May 31, which also accused HBO of deceptively editing his comments. “It just means I didn’t realize they would, 57 years ago.”

In addition, Sullivan refuted the assertion that the gun’s .22-caliber bullet is particularly deadly. Still, his clarification again left out any mention of Colt’s early efforts to tap the private market.


A U.S. Air Force airman instructs a civilian handling an AR-15-type carbine during a safety event. U.S. Air Force photo


But Colt’s decision was not entirely surprising. While the technology behind the AR-15 was a far cry from Revolutionary War muskets or Civil War rifles, the idea of owning a “military-style” firearm was hardly odd, even after World War II.

Historically, private citizens had owned guns similar or identical to military types, simply because that was what was available. War was often the driving factor behind innovative firearms designs, anyway.

At the same time, Colt and McNarama were finally starting to win over the Army. The ground combat branch was considering a version of the gun for its still relatively new Special Forces troops, as well as airborne soldiers and anyone who might need a lightweight rifle.

The Army named its variant “M-16A1.” The Air Force’s gun retroactively became the M-16. Looking to finally sever any ties to Armalite, Colt started selling the military guns as “Colt Automatic Rifle 15s” — a.k.a. “CAR-15s” — and the civilian rifles as “SP-1s.”

McNamara’s super rifle never materialized. By 1966, both the Army and Marine Corps decided to issue M-16s to all troops heading to Vietnam, opening the door for the gun to become the military’s standard firearm.

As it turned out, despite Colt’s marketing blitz, the Connecticut gun-maker was completely unprepared for this success — and couldn’t keep up with demand. The Pentagon had to hire Harrington & Richardson and General Motor’s Hydramatic Division to help out.

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Despite the M-16’s controversial performance early in the Vietnam War, the gun became iconic of that conflict. Updated versions are still the standard infantry weapon for American troops.

And despite of Colt’s production problems, this popularity was reflected in the civilian market. As time went on, the firm incorporated many of the same improvements that it offered the Pentagon into the civilian versions of the weapon.

In 1969, Colt first tried selling to the Pentagon and private buyers a piston-operated AR-15 akin to SIG Sauer’s MCX. At the time, no one was interested — and the company quickly dropped the variant.

By 1985, Colt had produced more than 200,000 SP-1s. As suggested in the company’s first advertisements, private citizens bought the guns for competition shooting, hunting, self-defense and simple novelty.

After the company’s exclusive rights to the design expired, gun-makers big and small jumped on the AR-15 bandwagon. Dozens of other manufacturers now make a plethora of versions with a host of different features, each under their own specific names.

Colt still owns the AR-15 trademark and eventually revived the moniker for its civilian line. The SP-1 is long gone. The current iteration of the Armalite company now calls its guns “M-15s.”

As public perception and gun laws changed, so did the rifles themselves. Colt eventually added new features to make it difficult to convert an AR-15 to fire on full automatic without significant work.

Under the 1994 assault-weapons ban, AR-15-makers had to remove certain features — such as a place to attach a bayonet or a flash hider at the end of the barrel. But the basic design went essentially unchanged in most cases.

On top of that, the legislation grandfathered-in older guns, which commanded a premium on the private market before the law expired a decade later. AR-15s never left the civilian marketplace.

Unfortunately, the popularity and ubiquity of AR-15s increasingly made them a central feature in mass shootings. On July 20, 2012, James Holmes killed 12 people and injured 70 at a movie theater in Aurora, Colorado. He wielded a Smith and Wesson M&P15.

Fewer than six months later, Adam Lanza murdered more than two dozen people — including 20 children — at an elementary school in Newtown, Connecticut. His weapon was a Bushmaster XM-15. In December 2014, victims’ families filed a civil lawsuit against Bushmaster and its parent company Remington.

Despite the bad press, as Ubiñas and Kuntzman found, the rifles are still selling strong after five decades.
 

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Didja notice the price in that ad?

$189.50

I bought my first one in 1979 IIRC. And it was $279.95 at a little out of the way rural sporting goods store. It was old stock at the time. Next time I saw the owner he was complaining that he had to pay more than that to his wholesaler to get another one back in stock.
 

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“I traveled to Philadelphia to better understand the firepower of military-style assault weapons and, hopefully, explain their appeal to gun lovers,” Gersh Kuntzman of The New York Daily News explained in a June 14 column. “Frank Stelmach of Double Tap Shooting Range and Gun Shop … has difficulty explaining why law-abiding citizens need a gun that can empty a 40-round clip in less than five seconds.

Either they're talking about a generally illegal fully automatic rifle in that sentence (yes, I know, you can get a "machine gun permit" if you want to spend a lot of money), or they've got the fastest finger in the world!!

Typical liberal mishmash article.

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I wonder exactly how many are out there in civilian hands. It would probably be impossible to accurately figure given all the lowers that are sold and built up by many. Since the lower is registered you could get an idea but I know many people who just bought lowers I case the AR15 was banned - counting on building them up later.
 

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Why millions of Americans — including me — own the AR-15

by Jon Stokes on June 20, 2016

Once again, there has been a mass shooting involving a gun that looks like an AR-15. (It's technically a Sig Sauer MCX, which may or may not be an "AR-15" … more later on this definitional issue and why it actually matters beyond mere neckbeard pedantry.) And, once again, the calls have gone out to ban the "black rifle" from civilian sales. "Nobody needs one of these weapons of war" is the common refrain.

Yet if the statistics from the National Shooting Sports Federation can be believed, some 5 million Americans and counting have decided that they do, in fact, "need" an AR-15 — or, more likely, they determined that they wanted one, so they bought it.

I'm one of those 5 million. I've owned an AR-15 for four years, and I use it for varmint control on my 17-acre Texas estate. Are people like me bloodthirsty savages? Delusional survivalists? Military fetishists? Insecure men with tiny … hands?

Gun buyers have snapped up military hardware because that is often the very best hardware they can get their hands on

If you're prepared to answer "yes" to all of the above and consider the case closed, then please move on and don't read anymore. This article isn't my attempt to justify anything to you —  it's not a defense of what's in my gun safe or of the AR-15 itself. If, for you, my AR-15 ownership is prima facie evidence of my mental instability, sexual inadequacy, lack of a conscience, or what-have-you, then I honestly don't care what you think about this issue. You can go back to broadcasting your own moral superiority on social media, and I can go back to tuning you out until your rage therapy session is over.

No, this article is for the genuinely curious — those who assume that 5 million of their fellow Americans are not inhuman or insane, and who want to understand what set of rationales, no matter how flawed and confused they may ultimately turn out to be, could make an otherwise normal person walk out of a gun store with an "assault weapon."

By the end of this piece, you probably still will not believe that I or any other civilian actually needs an AR-15. That's fine — I wasn't really out to change your mind on that score anyway. I get that you still believe that no civilian should have such a gun. My only hope is that you'll go forth better equipped to talk about gun control based on an understanding of how real live people view and use these firearms.

Note: Before I get started, if you're like Rep. Alan Grayson or Sen. Bernie Sanders, both of whom I admire greatly and neither of whom seems to know the difference between a fully automatic weapon and a semiautomatic weapon, then we should get something straight before going any further: The AR-15 is not an "automatic weapon." As we'll see shortly, the range of firearms that fall (to one degree or another) into the category of "AR-15" is staggeringly diverse, but one thing they all have in common is that they all fire only one round with each pull of the trigger. In contrast, the AR-15's military sibling, the M16, is capable of fully automatic fire, which means that the gun will keep spitting out bullets as long as the trigger is pressed and the magazine is loaded.

Civilians have always been drawn to "weapons of war"

The AR-15 was originally designed as a weapon of war, for man-killing and not for hunting or for target shooting —  this is an obvious fact. But this is also true of most popular firearms throughout history, including your grandpa's lever action hunting rifle.

The vintage Henry lever action rifle — the quintessential 20th century deer rifle — was originally deployed to devastating effect in the Civil War.

With its high capacity, rapid rate of fire, and popularity with soldiers and civilians alike, the Henry was the AR-15 of its day, and it was followed over the years by the invention of the even more effective semiautomatic firearm, and then by a succession of long guns that we now generally take to be suitable for civilian use.


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My point in bringing up the lever action rifle is that civilians have been buying "weapons of war" for a very long time, since the black powder musket days. This is partly because soldiers who come home from wars to enter civilian life often want to buy a version of the weapon they were trained on and trusted their life to. And it's also because "military grade" is widely (if sometimes mistakenly) understood to mean "this technology has been tested in the real world, the kinks have been worked out, and its reliability and effectiveness have been proven in the field by an entity with the resources of an entire nation at its disposal."

Thus it is that since the dawn of the gunpowder age, gun buyers have snapped up military hardware, because that is often the very best hardware they can get their hands on. In this respect, today's AR-15 buyers are no different than yesteryear's lever action rifle buyers.

This is all part of the reason why I, a civilian, own a military-grade combat weapon. I don't want to shoot and miss; I don't want the gun to jam because it's dirty or cold; and when I'm hunting game I don't want to hit my target and then have it run off into the woods and die lost and wounded because I didn't "bring enough gun." Like my grandpa with his "military-grade" lever action rifle, I want a modern firearm that's popular (which means parts and training are cheaply and widely available), ergonomic, rugged, accurate, and reliably effective, so that none of the aforementioned bad things happen to me when I'm shooting.

But, you'll argue, isn't the AR-15 uniquely deadly? Unlike the lever action rifle, isn't the black rifle a weapon of godlike power, suitable only for putting as much lead on the battlefield in as short a time as possible? And in their desire to own one of these turbocharged weapons of mass slaughter, which is clearly overkill for anything but mowing down herds of humans, aren't today's AR-15 buyers uniquely twisted and callous? Isn't it time that gun buyers settled for second or third or fourth best, for the "good of the their fellow citizens"?

The short answer to all of the above is "no."

The slightly longer answer is that your understanding of what the AR-15 is "for" is all wrong, and says more about Hollywood's portrayal of black rifles than it does about how these guns are used in the real world.

The AR-15 is tremendously flexible and adaptable

If the AR-15 were a weapon that's suitable only for indiscriminate, spray-n-pray mass slaughter, then it wouldn't be so popular with police.

There is no conceivable circumstance in which a police officer — not even a SWAT team member — would need to mow down hordes of people. Yet the AR-15 is the "patrol rifle" of choice for modern police departments from Mayberry to Manhattan. And when you understand why police have adopted the AR-15, then you'll understand yet another reason why I own one.

The AR-15 is less a model of rifle than it is an open-source, modular weapons platform that can be customized for a whole range of applications, from varmint control to taking out 500-pound feral hogs to urban combat. Everything about an individual AR-15 can be changed with aftermarket parts — the caliber of ammunition, recoil, range, weight, length, hold and grip, and on and on.

In the pre-AR-15 era, if you wanted a gun for shooting little groundhogs, a gun for shooting giant feral hogs, and a gun for home defense, you'd buy three different guns in three different calibers and configurations. With the AR platform, a person with absolutely no gunsmithing expertise can buy one gun and a bunch of accessories, and optimize that gun for the application at hand. You can even make an AR-15 into a pistol.

The AR-15 is less a model of rifle than it is an open-source, modular weapons platform
Similarly, the individual members of police and military units can tailor the AR to a specific mission without the help of a professional armorer. Barrels can be swapped out, calibers changed, optics added or removed, and the gun can be totally transformed for every type of encounter, from a long-distance sniper shot at a hostage taker to a close-quarters drug raid in a crowded apartment complex.

So cops and civilians buy AR-15s because that one gun can be adapted to an infinite variety of sporting, hunting, and use-of-force scenarios by an amateur with a few simple tools. An AR-15 owner doesn't have to buy and maintain a separate gun for each application, nor does she need a professional gunsmith to make modifications and customizations. In this respect, the AR-15 is basically a giant Lego kit for grownups.

Indeed, anyone who tells you that the AR-15 is bad for hunting and home defense has absolutely no idea what they're talking about, because by definition an AR is a gun that can be exquisitely adapted for those niches and many others.

To return to the Sig MCX that was used in Orlando, the "AR-15ness" of this gun is debatable — it takes many of the same accessories as an AR, and it fits on an AR lower, but unlike a normal AR it has a folding stock and a piston-driven operating system. Because of this, the MCX is the perfect example of the degree to which the "AR-15" is more of a loose collection of standards than a specific collection of parts. Its very existence is emblematic of the adaptability that's a big part of the AR family's appeal.

Why the AR-15 is the weapon of choice for everyone (including mass shooters)

If you're still with me, then maybe you're beginning to understand why the AR-15 platform is the most popular type of rifle in America. The AR-15's incredible flexibility, accuracy, and ease-of-use combine with its status as the most thoroughly tested and debugged firearm in military history to make it massively popular with shooters of all stripes, from hunters to home defense buyers to competitors to police. Parts for the AR are available everywhere, and the internet is chock full of maintenance information and training videos.

The rifle's popularity is almost certainly the main reason why mass shooters increasingly reach for it when they go on a rampage. Think about it: If you're planning to shoot up a room full of people, are you going to reach for a rare, exotic weapon that you have little experience with, or will you select the familiar option that's easy to train with and that you have plenty of practice time behind? The answer, for anybody who shoots, is the latter.



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When it comes to operating a firearm under pressure — whether it's the stress of combat or the excitement of competition — familiarity and muscle memory are everything. It is impossible to overstate the degree to which this is true. I recently got my hands on a Springfield M1A, and I spent my entire first range session with my laptop open to YouTube just trying to figure out how to work the gun and change magazines consistently.



The Springfield M1A above is a modernized version of the heavy, wood-stocked service gun that the AR-15 replaced.

The M1A is an amazing gun (a closely related weapon is actually used by the Marines), but despite the fact that the M1A fires a much larger, deadlier .30 caliber bullet, if I needed to shoot under pressure I'd reach for the smaller AR-15, simply because I can operate that rifle — engage a target, change magazines, troubleshoot and clear a jam — without much thought or effort. I can do all that because the AR-15 is what I know, and it's what I know because it's what everyone else out there knows.

The meaningless distinction between "defense rifles" and "assault rifles"

At this point, you may be thinking: "But why can't you just buy a defense rifle or other 'defensive' firearm instead of an assault rifle?" The AR-15, being an assault rifle and all, is for assaulting things, and no civilian should be doing that."

I see this "defense" versus "assault" nonsense a lot, and I just shake my head, because a "defensive" firearm has the exact same characteristics as an offensive firearm.

Specifically, in a defensive situation, you always "shoot to stop the threat," which is a police euphemism for "shoot to kill." I'm not aware of any place in the world where you can go and get professional firearms training and be taught to aim at an attacker's limbs, or to shoot in a manner that is "less lethal." Every defensive handgun class will train you to keep shooting at the vitals until the attacker is down. (And even if you were trained to shoot at limbs, you'd need a gun that's even more controllable and accurate, because moving limbs are harder to hit than center mass!)

To put it another way, there is a spectrum of force, and a firearm of any type is always at the "lethal force" end of it. Once you've gone past fists, Tasers, and batons, and gotten to the gun, you are no longer in the realm of trying to preserve the attacker's life; you're trying to preserve your own.
The way forward is to forget about the "what" and focus relentlessly and viciously on the "who." We should qualify or disqualify people, not gun designs.
It's also the case that, contrary to what you saw in First Blood, adrenaline-fueled humans are hard to kill, even with a rifle. The more fast follow-up shots you can get on-target, the better your chances of scoring a hit that will stop the threat. This is why smaller-caliber rifles and pistols like the AR-15 and the Glock 19 are now dominant in police departments and militaries across the globe — smaller bullets mean you can carry more ammo, which means you have more chances to make that fight-stopping shot.

So the "defensive rifle" (as opposed to the "assault rifle") is a nonsense idea that exists only in the minds of people who know nothing about guns. This being the case, you can't fault gun owners for not buying or building such a weapon, because that is not a real thing and never will be. An assault rifle is a defense rifle, and a defense rifle is an assault rifle; these two concepts are identical — such is the very nature of armed combat, in which one person is trying to prevent himself from being killed by killing the other guy first. Anyone who "needs" a defense rifle "needs" an assault rifle, because they are the same.

If you're gonna kill the king, you gotta kill the king

So there you have it: The above represents a few reasons why I and a few million other non-crazy Americans own and shoot so-called semiauto "assault rifles." (For the pro-gun people, I realize that "assault rifle" means "full auto" to you, but it doesn't to most folks; and it's a made-up political term anyway. It really just means "any scary looking gun that we don't like and want to ban," so please spare me the nitpicking for using the term to cover semiauto ARs. We lost that definitional battle a long time ago.)

You may reject all of the rationales offered above, which is fine. It's totally respectable for you to admit that you don't believe the rationales for AR ownership outlined above are legitimate, and therefore we should outlaw civilian ownership of a very large category of weapons. But what isn't respectable is to argue this way, and then to turn around and claim that "nobody is coming for your guns!" That's insulting, and we both know it isn't true. Stop doing that.

If you're serious about banning guns, you can talk about banning all semiautomatic guns, or about restricting guns to a list of approved models or actions. This is may not be politically realistic at the moment, but at least it's consistent and rational. But talk of banning just the "AR-15" — as if that's a specific model of gun that you can just up and ban — is technologically infeasible and ultimately counterproductive.

All you do when you make a lot of noise about assault weapon bans, noise that you can't even remotely back up with legislative action, is boost sales of the very weapons you hope to eliminate. Truly, if you're gonna kill the king, you gotta kill the king; you can't just loudly threaten to kill the king, then lamely attempt to give him a wedgie (and fail at even that), and then not expect blowback.

What is to be done?

For what it's worth, I do actually believe the fact that this violent nutjob who had been interviewed by the FBI three times was able to get a gun is so obviously messed up that it's foolish to suggest otherwise. In an even slightly less crazy world, this guy would never have had a weapon — not even a Cricket children's rifle.

I'm gonna be super duper honest, here: I think even the NRA is looking at "unhinged Muslim guy who had ISIS sympathies" and also thinking that such a person probably should not have had access to guns (albeit for different reasons than your typical leftie). But just like when you're in the supermarket and you see some awful parent verbally abusing their kids and you think, "this person should have been sterilized before it got this far," but you'd never actually suggest that because you don't want anyone sterilizing you, the NRA is not likely to express this sentiment in public.

I think the way forward is to forget about the "what" and focus relentlessly and viciously on the "who." We should qualify or disqualify people, not gun designs. That's a tall order, and it requires a ton of care if we're going to respect all parts of the Bill of Rights. But I think if we all start with a few things that we agree on and then work from there, then there may be some hope of keeping guns out of the hands of crazed loners.

Appendix: Further reading

My own journey with the AR-15 began with this long Wired piece I wrote in the wake of Newtown: "The AR-15 Is More Than a Gun. It's a Gadget." This is still the longest and most substantial thing I've written on the AR platform — I attended the SHOT Show in Vegas, interviewed gunmakers and enthusiasts, and generally did old-fashioned reporting. This piece covers the history, development, and present culture around the black rifle.

More recently, I've written on the assault weapons ban in the context of a discussion of smart guns for Tech Crunch: "Why the NRA hates smart guns." (Although, the predecessor to that piece, which is about the general problems with smart guns, is a lot better than the NRA-focused follow-up.)

Finally, if you want to read a frustrated rant that's way too long, needs edits, and should have been broken up into at least three pieces, check out: "Why "Moderate" Pro-Gun Groups like ACRGO Always Fail." This is my attempt to answer the often asked question, "Why is there no moderate alternative to the NRA that attracts middle-of-the-road gun owners?"

Jon Stokes is a co-founder of Ars Technica, former Wired editor, author, and content guy at Second Media.

This article was adapted from a post that originally ran on Medium.
 

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Either they're talking about a generally illegal fully automatic rifle in that sentence (yes, I know, you can get a "machine gun permit" if you want to spend a lot of money), or they've got the fastest finger in the world!!

Typical liberal mishmash article.

Summerthyme


I noticed that too. 40 rds in 15 seconds MAYBE.
 

Dozdoats

Deceased
ST and Dennis,

Here's the article from which the metrokitty quote was taken. There's worse in the whole piece, of course. I have friends whose small daughters love to shoot ARs - little girls not even 10 years old do not have this much angst and fear. There are words for people like the author but I will leave them to others to use.

As usual, best seen at the original site-
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http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/firing-ar-15-horrifying-dangerous-loud-article-1.2673201

Firing an AR-15 is horrifying, menacing and very very loud

Gersh Kuntzman

NEW YORK DAILY NEWS

Updated: Wednesday, June 15, 2016, 3:38 PM


It felt to me like a bazooka — and sounded like a cannon.

One day after 49 people were killed in the Orlando shooting, I traveled to Philadelphia to better understand the firepower of military-style weapons and, hopefully, explain their appeal to gun lovers.

But mostly, I was just terrified.

Many gun shops turned down our request to fire and discuss the AR-15, a style of semi-automatic rifle popular with mass killers such as San Bernardino terrorist Syed Farook and similar in capabilities to the Sig Sauer MCX rifle used by Orlando terrorist Omar Mateen.

Killers in mass shootings used AR-15, thanks to NRA

But Frank Stelmach of Double Tap Shooting Range and Gun Shop invited me, videographer Michael Sheridan and reporter Adam Shrier to come down. Stelmach is not like many gun lovers. He admires his weaponry, yes, and has difficulty explaining why law-abiding citizens need a gun that can empty a 40-round magazine in a few seconds. But he also hates the idea that “bad people” get a hold of a gun like this and use it to kill without difficulty.

“There should be expanded background checks — extending into your family, friends and associates,” he said. “And there should be a mental health screening. In Europe, if you want to buy a gun, you have to see a doctor (for a psychiatric examination) to see if something’s not right.”

Gersh Kuntzman works with gun ghop owner Frank Stelmach on how to handle the AR-15.

Stelmach, who opened his shop six years ago after a career in law enforcement in Europe, also said he never sells a gun to someone who “looks a little bit funny,” and he claimed he had prevented many guns from getting into the wrong hands because the would-be purchaser “asked stupid questions” like, “What happens to me if the gun is stolen?”

But very few gun shop owners do anything close to Stelmach’s sniff test — and he acknowledged how easy it is to find another gun shop owner willing to make the sale.

Very easy. In fact, as Philadelphia Daily News columnist Helen Ubinas showed today, you can get a military-styled weapon in seven minutes in this country.

Stelmach doesn’t think it should be easy. But he thinks it should be allowed. "Guns don't kill people. The wrong people kill people," Stelmach added. "We can't blame the weapon."

Richard Cohen: American insanity: Assault rifles for all


He loves the AR-15 for cops, soldiers, hunters and target shooters. “It’s fun to shoot something like that,” he said.

Frank Stelmach discusses the AR-15 rifle and gun control.

Not in my hands. I’ve shot pistols before, but never something like an AR-15. Squeeze lightly on the trigger and the resulting explosion of firepower is humbling and deafening (even with ear protection).

The recoil bruised my shoulder, which can happen if you don't know what you're doing. The brass shell casings disoriented me as they flew past my face. The smell of sulfur and destruction made me sick. The explosions — loud like a bomb — gave me a temporary form of PTSD. For at least an hour after firing the gun just a few times, I was anxious and irritable.

Even in semi-automatic mode, it is very simple to squeeze off two dozen rounds before you even know what has happened. If illegally modified to fully automatic mode, it doesn’t take any imagination to see dozens of bodies falling in front of your barrel.

All it takes is the will to do it.

Forty nine people can be gone in 60 seconds.

UPDATE: Many people have objected to my use of the term "PTSD" in the above story. The use of this term was in no way meant to conflate my very temporary anxiety with the very real condition experienced by many of our brave men and women in uniform. I regret the inarticulate use of the term to describe my in-the-moment impression of the gun's firepower, and apologize for it. I have also posted a follow up piece here.
 

Mzkitty

I give up.
You'll love this one. Suburb of my city. Especially all the comments under the article -- they hate Schneiderman and Cuomo's guts. There is a news video also:


Attorney General: Henrietta gun store illegally sold more than 100 assault weapons


June 21, 2016 03:29 PM

Three men are facing charges following a two-year-long investigation into the illegal sales of assault weapons in Henrietta.

On Tuesday, Attorney General Eric Schneiderman and State Police Superintendent George P. Beach II announced that the charges stem from illegal sales of more than 100 assault rifles at Jackson Guns and Ammo in Henrietta. This is the biggest gun bust the Attorney General's office has ever undertaken.

Jackson Guns and Ammo, then a federally licensed firearm dealer, was owned and operated by Kordell Jackson, 40, of West Henrietta, and employed Ken Youngren, 30, of Alfred, and Joshua Perkins, 28, of Irondequoit.

Each of the men face multiple felony charges including criminal sale of a firearm in the first degree. Jackson and Perkins are in police custody, while Youngren is expected to surrender to authorities.

Each of the assault weapons violates provisions of the New York Penal Law that were amended after passage of the New York SAFE Act on January 15, 2013.

"There is simply no place for weapons of war on the streets of America," Schneiderman said. "The tragedies in Orlando, Newtown, Aurora and too many other communities across the country are clear signs that we need to get our national gun violence epidemic under control."

The investigation began in 2014, after the Federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives observed irregularities in Jackson Guns and Ammo’s records and notified the New York State Police of possible violations of New York law. Over the course of the next two years, state police contacted the individuals who had purchased the assault rifles allegedly sold illegally by Jackson and his employees. To date, law enforcement has recovered the vast majority of the assault rifles that were sold illegally at the store.

On June 15, 2016, state police went to Perkins’ residence on an unrelated matter and say they observed three illegal high capacity ammunition feeding devices in plain view. The officers then obtained a search warrant for Perkins’ residence and say they discovered dozens more illegal high capacity ammunition feeding devices, four assault rifles, dozens of cartons of untaxed cigarettes, numerous strips of the narcotic Suboxone packaged for resale and approximately $25,000 in cash.

Jackson Guns and Ammo went out of business in January 2015.


http://www.whec.com/news/jackson-guns-ammo-illegally-sold-assault-weapons/4175929/?cat=565
 

NoName

Veteran Member
Either they're talking about a generally illegal fully automatic rifle in that sentence (yes, I know, you can get a "machine gun permit" if you want to spend a lot of money), or they've got the fastest finger in the world!!

Typical liberal mishmash article.

Summerthyme

Nah, Depends on the trigger, finger and person attached to...but possible.
 

Dozdoats

Deceased
https://www.wired.com/2013/02/ar-15/

Author: Jon Stokes.

Date of Publication: 02.25.13.

Time of Publication: 6:30 am.

The AR-15 Is More Than a Gun. It’s a Gadget

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An AR-15 on a stand during target practice for law enforcement at a Connecticut range, 2011. Photo: U.S. Fish & Wildlife Service/Flickr

I was shaking as I shouldered the rifle and peered through the scope at the small steel target 100 yards downrange. It was officially the coldest day in Las Vegas history, and I was in the middle of the desert, buffeted by wind and surrounded by the professional gun press, about to fire an AR-15 for the first time.

I grew up with guns, and I even own a small .22-caliber target pistol that I take to the range occasionally. But I had fired a rifle maybe twice in the past five years. I was a novice, and I was frozen to the core. I flinched as I pulled the trigger the first time, sending my shot wide of the mark. But the recoil wasn’t nearly as bad as I had feared; in fact, the shot was actually pleasant. I fired again with more confidence, and the bullet rang the distant steel plate like a bell; then the next shot hit, and the next.

“You’re doing great,” said Justin Harvel, founder of Black Rain Ordnance and maker of the gun I was shooting.

“It’s not me,” I replied. “I’ve never shot like this in my life. It’s gotta be this gun.”

“Yeah, it’s definitely not your daddy’s hunting rifle, is it?”

In the wake of the massacre at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Connecticut, the AR-15 has gone from the most popular rifle in America to the most scrutinized and, in some quarters, vilified. Also known in its fully automatic, military incarnation as the M16, the rifle was racking up record sales in the years before Sandy Hook, but now, in the midst of a renewed effort to ban this weapon and others like it from civilian hands, the AR-15 market has gone nuclear, with some gun outlets rumored to have done three years’ worth of sales in the three weeks after Newtown.

Now that the post-Newtown nation has suddenly woken up to the breakout popularity of the AR-15, a host of questions are being asked, especially about who is buying these rifles, and why. Why would normal, law-abiding Americans want to own a deadly weapon that was clearly designed for military use? Why are existing AR-15 owners buying as many of these rifles as they can get their hands on? Are these people Doomsday preppers? Militia types, arming for a second American Civil War? Or are they young military fantasists whose minds have been warped by way too much Call of Duty?

Preppers, militia types, and SEAL Team 6 wannabes are certainly represented in the AR-15’s customer base. But fringe groups don’t adequately explain the roughly 5 million “black rifles” (as fans of the gun tend to call it) that are now in the hands of the public. No, the real secret to the AR-15’s incredible success is that this rifle is the “personal computer” of the gun world.

In the past two decades, the AR-15 has evolved into an open, modular gun platform that’s infinitely hackable and accessorizable. With only a few simple tools and no gunsmithing expertise, an AR-15 can be heavily modified, or even assembled from scratch, from widely available parts to suit the fancy and fantasy of each individual user. In this respect, the AR-15 is the world’s first “maker” gun, and this is why its appeal extends well beyond the military enthusiasts that many anti-gun types presume make up its core demographic.

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Is the iPhone in this picture, taken at this year’s SHOT Show in Las Vegas, an AR-15 accessory, or is the AR-15 an iPhone accessory? Photo: Jon Stokes

The Gun as Gadget

“It’s something mechanical; it’s modular in fashion,” is how Jay Duncan, VP of Sales at Daniel Defense, begins when asked to describe the appeal of the AR-15. “Because it’s so modular you can build the firearm the way that you want it, and it can be like nobody else’s firearm. It’s about personalization.”

As an early employee of one of the fastest-growing high-end AR-15 makers, Duncan has the perfect perch from which to observe the black rifle’s transition in shooting circles from a scary military oddity to the hottest item in the gun store. He — and everyone else I talked to — credit the gun’s flexibility for the surge in interest.

Users can change calibers by swapping out barrels, bolts, and magazines; they can add and remove accessories like Trijicon optics, Surefire flashlights, or Crimson Trace laser sights; they can swap out the rail system on the gun’s fore-end to accommodate more or fewer accessories; they can change grip styles and stock sizes to tailor the gun to fit their own body; they can even theme the gun with special paints and decals (zombie apocalypse themes are popular, but I’ve also seen Hello Kitty). And they can do all of this by either ordering new parts and accessories from online or local shops, or by taking parts from different guns in their collection and mixing and matching them to produce something completely new.

“I always tease that it’s like Legos for grown men,” Duncan elaborates, “because there’s plenty of guys that get one, two, six ARs. And they’re constantly tinkering with them — changing barrel lengths, changing optics, putting different sights on them. It’s the same reason that a guy gets into remote-controlled cars or fly tying. Because it’s a fun hobby, and it’s a distraction from reality sometimes.”

A 2011 survey by the National Shooting Sports Foundation backs up Duncan’s portrait of AR-15 buyers as accessory-obsessed tinkerers. The poll found that AR-15 owners possess an average of 2.6 black rifles, and spend an average of $436 on accessories and customizations.

This is the gun-as-gadget, a relatively new consumer phenomenon born from the unholy union of the post-9/11 national security state and America’s decades-old obsession with hackable, high-performance hardware. From muscle cars to motorbikes to ultra-high-wattage stereo systems, Americans love to take their toys way over the top, and for all its deadliness and terrifying power, the AR-15 is a terrifically fun toy.

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A modified AR-15. Photo: Wikimedia Commons

The AR-15 even boasts a performance-oriented enthusiast community that flocks to blogs and online bulletin boards to share tips, tweaks, hacks, new builds, product reviews, individual component reviews, photos of fancy new paint-jobs and blinged-out barrels, and benchmarks measured in FPS (feet per second, for bullet velocity). Anyone who was part of the PC enthusiast community of the late ’90s and early 2000s will instantly recognize the brand of over-the-top hardware geekery on display like AR-15.com and MajorPandemic.

In one thread on AR-15.com, a user shows off a newly built rifle, meticulously assembled from scratch and coated in a burnt bronze cerakote. Each part was carefully chosen to work with all of the other parts, and the rest of the forum’s denizens check in to drool over the finished product. The user’s decision to go with burnt bronze might have been influenced by this earlier thread, which is dedicated to pictures of AR-15’s of different makes and styles with burnt bronze coatings. Or, maybe he took a look at the picture thread dedicated to ARs with flat dark earth-colored accessories and decided he needed something with a little more bling to it.

Then there are the add-ons, like slings, lights, lasers, and so on. There’s a whole thread on AR-15.com devoted to pictures of users’ AR slings. Another thread is only for pictures of rail systems made by a single manufacturer. Here’s a thread with nothing but pictures of lights mounted on AR-15’s, and it’s been active since 2004.

Completing the gun-as-PC analogy, the AR-15 community even has its own operating system flame war — users literally refer to a critical part of the gun as the “operating system” — with proponents of the traditional direct gas impingement operating system facing off against newfangled piston operating system fanboys in gun forums across the internet. The debate has become so played out on AR forums that most threads on the topic now end fairly quickly, with a plea that the original poster just use Google. “We have had a gazillion threads on this comparison,” writes user ArtEatman in a recent Firing Line thread on the topic. “So far, there is no ‘preponderance of evidence’ after bunches and bunches of posts on both sides of the squabble that either one is better than the other.”

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A U.S. paratrooper holding an AR-15 signals to his squad to form a defensive perimeter during a patrol near Duc Pho, 330 miles northeast of Saigon, Vietnam, June 5, 1967. Photo: AP

The First High-Tech Battle Rifle

The AR-15 was born from data. In the early 1960s, Defense Secretary Robert McNamara’s famously statistics-driven Pentagon was itching to replace the M14, an Army-designed gun that, despite its successful use in earlier conflicts, had turned out to be a poor fit for the jungles of Vietnam. McNamara’s Department of Defense was finally paying heed to previously ignored Army studies indicating that the M14’s heavy, long-range, .308-caliber cartridge was overkill on the battlefield.

The military came to realize the need for a smaller-caliber rifle that would be primarily effective at close range and could be easily fired in controlled bursts of three to five shots. Soldiers equipped with a lighter rifle and a smaller .223-caliber cartridge would be able to carry more bullets per pound of weight, and would be able to control their fire more easily because of the gun’s considerably lower recoil.

The solution came from Eugene Stoner, the lead gun designer at the ArmaLite Division of the Fairchild Engine and Airplane Corporation — a cutting-edge gun-design shop that had been working for years on a next-generation rifle that would use modern materials like machined aluminum and injection-molded plastic. For all its ambition, ArmaLite had produced only a string of dead-end prototypes, until its last one. The AR-15 – for ArmaLite Rifle — was designed specifically for the smaller-caliber cartridges.

ArmaLite licensed the AR-15 to Colt — the “IBM” of the AR-15 story — which began turning out guns by the thousands. The Air Force was the first branch of the military to adopt the new rifle, which it dubbed the M16, and after some initial resistance (mostly attributable to NIH syndrome) the Army, too, broke down and ordered a few thousand rifles for testing in Vietnam. The field trials were a smashing success.

Troops loved the new gun because of its ergonomic design and easy handling, vastly preferring it to the Army brass’ beloved M14. The newfangled plastic, aluminum, and stamped-steel gun, which looked like something out of Buck Rogers, was so much easier to use than the M14 that in marksmanship tests troops were able to qualify as expert marksmen at a dramatically higher rate given the same amount of training time. The AR-15’s step-function improvement in individual usability gave a significant boost to squad-level battlefield performance. Army studies showed that a five-man squad armed with AR-15’s had as much kill potential as an 11-man squad armed with the M14.

Vietnam made the M16 a commercial success for Colt, but by the time the U.S. pulled out of Asia the black rifle’s reputation was in tatters — and not just with the general public, but with the very same groups who now defend it as “America’s gun.” The main mark against McNamara’s modern marvel was the terrible reputation for unreliability that it had gained as the conflict wore on. Then there was the stigma associated with Vietnam itself — returning soldiers were spit on and tarred as “baby killers,” and the M16, being the iconic rifle of that conflict, shared in the ignominy.

Even cowboy and conservative icon Ronald Reagan had no love for the black rifle, and didn’t think it belonged in civilian hands. And when the AR-15 was targeted in the first assault weapons ban in 1994, the NRA actually lent its grudging support to the measure. (Though only after the insertion of a “sunset clause” allowing the ban to expire years later.)

The NRA’s support for the original assault-weapon legislation highlights the often-hostile divide between the hunting/casual shooting crowd and black-rifle enthusiasts. For the outdoorsmen that I grew up with in Louisiana, guns were not “cool” the way that motorbikes and fast cars are. They’re dangerous yet necessary tools, to be respected and feared. Nicer guns are also viewed as cherished heirlooms and objects of American folk art. But above all, for the hunter, guns are about tradition — the tradition of fathers and sons sharing the outdoors together; the tradition of sportsmanship and respect for prey that keeps the single-shot long gun alive in an age of semi-automatics; and the tradition of checkered wood and polished steel that makes my gun much the same as my father’s, and his father’s, and so on back through the generations.

Nothing about the black rifle is traditional. For years it owed its rising popularity to the very same videogames and movies that NRA CEO Wayne LaPierre recently lambasted in his post-Newtown rant. Ultimately, the trend-following, innovation-hungry, entertainment-driven black-rifle culture is the exact opposite of traditional hunting culture, and the hunting-oriented leadership of the NRA and National Shooting Sports Federation (NSSF) once went to great lengths to distance themselves from the black-rifle crowd.

To these old-timers, the AR-15 just didn’t seem like a “hunting rifle” in any meaningful sense of the word. In addition to its non-traditional look and the aforementioned stigmas attached to it, the AR’s small-caliber cartridge ruled it out for many hunters. Accustomed to taking down trophy bucks with a hefty .30-caliber round, they ridiculed the AR-15 as a “mouse gun” and feared that its smaller .223-caliber bullet would only wound an animal, instead of taking it down with a single, clean shot. Other hunters whose opinions of the AR were formed mostly by Hollywood movies hated the gun for the opposite reason, fearing that machine-gun-toting yahoos would be out shredding game, trees, and possibly other hunters with a spray of uber-high-powered bullets. Either way, traditionalist hunters felt that these modern “tactical” rifles were designed solely for armed combat, and therefore had no place in a sport where the prey can’t actually shoot back.

As recently as 2004, when the NSSF still had the policy of disallowing AR-15 makers to display any “tactical” imagery on the floor of SHOT, the gun industry’s main annual trade show, the AR-15 could be shown off only as a hunting rifle.

“When we first started coming to the SHOT show, you weren’t allowed to have anything tactical,” says Trey Knight of Knight’s Armament Company. At the time, KAC was strictly a boutique supplier of advanced weapons and accessories for U.S. Special Operations Forces, with no civilian customer base to speak of. “I had to make fake flyers that showed our guns in a hunting context,” Knight said. “They wouldn’t allow you to show anything that had camouflage or any military aspect to it.”

“If you had a picture, you couldn’t have [the model] in a helmet,” recalls Jesse Starnes of DoubleStar, one of the mid-range AR-15 makers. “It had to be a hunter hat or something.”

Fast-forward to SHOT 2012, where the black rifle was clearly the star of the show, and tactical gear of all types was on display everywhere. The NSSF is now fully on board the black-rifle train, as is the NRA. In a fairly short amount of time, the AR-15 has gone from an up-and-coming underdog in gun circles to the hottest-selling firearm anyone has ever seen, anywhere.

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From Black Sheep to Top Dog

The single biggest force affecting the AR-15’s destiny has been the U.S. military’s response to the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001. After 9/11, the Rumsfeld Defense Department’s counterterrorism doctrine made U.S. Special Operations Forces “the point of the spear” in the global war on terror. That war wouldn’t primarily be fought by general-purpose forces on a well-defined battlefield, never mind the invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan. Instead, it would be fought in the shadows by small, fast-moving, elite groups of specialists with names like Delta Force and DEVGRU.

These Special-Ops groups have a legendary appetite for high-performance, custom hardware. As the ranks of the special operations forces exploded in the wake of 9/11, so did the market for high-end AR-15’s and accessories.

Then in 2004, the 1994 Assault Weapons Ban expired. That meant the AR-15 accessories market — the civilian side of which had been held back by the ban’s fairly arbitrary restrictions on what could and could not be attached to a black rifle — was unleashed. By then, the entertainment and videogame industries had begun to glorify the exploits of special ops groups, and gamers and moviegoers were delighted to learn that they could get their hands on substantially the same gear that their on-screen idols use to take down terrorists. In the years following the expiration of the ban, the once-tiny AR-15 corner of the firearms market grew at a healthy clip as the manufacturers who got their start selling guns and accessories to U.S. Special Operations Forces began serving the elite troops’ growing civilian fan base.

Daniel Defense, for instance, has seen 100 percent year-over-year growth in the number of guns shipped since it began making complete rifles in 2003. The company, which was founded in 2000, went from being a part-time hobby for its hacker founder to a full-time business when it was asked by Special Forces to put in a bid for a new AR rail system. Today, over 70 percent of Daniel Defense’s rapidly growing business is civilian.

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Black rifle? Not so much when you give the AR-15 a Hello Kitty motif. Photo: Courtesy of David Christian

No other company that I talked to could boast 1,000 percent growth over the past decade, but they all told similar (if less dramatic) stories of strong growth from 2004 to 2008, and they tended to fit the same pattern. They were started prior to or during the 1994 ban; they were founded by a hacker who had innovated in some small aspect of the rifle; as the ban lifted and the platform’s popularity began to build, they got into making other accessories and parts, and, in some cases, whole guns.

The military, in turn, has benefited directly from the fresh civilian money flowing into the AR-15 market. As companies and innovation multiplied in the AR-15 space, the AR-15 platform as a whole became even more modular, ergonomic, and effective. Much like the military, civilian AR shooters are on a never-ending quest for improvements in accuracy, reliability, and comfort, and there are a few orders of magnitude more of the latter group than the former.

Thus the locus of innovation in the AR-15 ecosystem is now moving to the civilian side of the industry, as shooters in new niches take up the rifle and leave their own mark on it through tweaking and innovation.

Indeed, much like a certain other product of Cold War-era research that was first used for business, then for pleasure, and now sees its business users looking to the consumer market for the latest innovations, the AR-15 industry will one day reach the point at which it will be fair to say that the military is taking civilian technology and “militarizing” it, instead of vice versa.

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No, these are not toys — at least, not toys for children. They’re real guns that have been “themed” with custom paint jobs at the Las Vegas SHOT Show, January 2013. Photo: Jon Stokes

Gun Salesman of the Decade

Despite its ease of use and adaptability to different shooting niches, the AR-15 was only slowly catching on outside of its initial core demographic of gamers and others who had fallen into the post-9/11, SpecOps-inspired “tactical lifestyle” when the 2008 election of Barack Obama changed everything. Whipped into a frenzy by the NRA’s dire warnings of an Democratic gun grab should Obama win the presidency, gun enthusiasts from every demographic slice of American gun culture flocked to the stores after election day to fill out their arsenals ahead of the ban that they believed to be coming. As the item most likely to be banned, the AR-15 had particular appeal to panicked gun buyers.

All of the AR-15 and accessory makers I talked to told me that their business had grown steadily from about 2000 until 2008, at which point it went supernova. But not even the 2008 panic can compare to the post-Newtown frenzy, in which some gunmakers claimed that their orders went up by 1,000 percent.

Both of these panics have brought a massive influx of new shooters to the AR, people who would never have considered a black rifle before. I visited a number of gun shops in the Bay Area and in Houston, Texas in the days and weeks after Newtown. As the walls grew more barren and the lines longer, I heard the same story again and again from first-time AR buyers: “I never really wanted one of these before. I’ve only owned and shot hunting rifles and shotguns. But now that they’re about to be banned, I’d better go ahead and get one while I can.” The SHOT attendees I spoke with all had similar stories of empty gun store walls and panic-buying doctors and lawyers paying $5,000 for what would have been a $2,000 gun just a week earlier.

In bringing new, non-“tactical” shooters to the AR, the twin panics of 2008 and 2012 have also done much to heal the aforementioned schism between the black rifle and hunting crowds. For every hunter like Sen. Joe Manchin (D-WV), who shares the NRA old guard’s hostility for all things tactical, there’s another who hates the idea of the government banning the black rifle even more than they dislike the gun itself. Some of these hunters have gone out and bought an AR-15, and when they shoot their new toy, they’re most likely hooked for life.

From the morning that ArmaLite opened its doors in 1954 to the present, most of the innovation that has gone into the AR-15 has been aimed at making the gun as accurate and pleasurable to shoot as possible. The result is a gun that really is an order of magnitude easier to use effectively than many of the traditional wood-stocked rifles that black-rifle-hating hunters grew up with. For someone who enjoys shooting a $2,500 AR-15 from a company like Lewis Machine and Tool, Black Rain Ordnance, Daniel Defense, or KAC, is like a driving enthusiast sitting behind the wheel of an Italian or German supercar. It’s a revelation, and the experience doesn’t wear off quickly.
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Millwright

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Not in my hands. I’ve shot pistols before, but never something like an AR-15. Squeeze lightly on the trigger and the resulting explosion of firepower is humbling and deafening (even with ear protection).

The recoil bruised my shoulder, which can happen if you don't know what you're doing. The brass shell casings disoriented me as they flew past my face. The smell of sulfur and destruction made me sick. The explosions — loud like a bomb — gave me a temporary form of PTSD. For at least an hour after firing the gun just a few times, I was anxious and irritable


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Not in my hands. I’ve shot pistols before, but never something like an AR-15. Squeeze lightly on the trigger and the resulting explosion of firepower is humbling and deafening (even with ear protection).

The recoil bruised my shoulder, which can happen if you don't know what you're doing. The brass shell casings disoriented me as they flew past my face. The smell of sulfur and destruction made me sick. The explosions — loud like a bomb — gave me a temporary form of PTSD. For at least an hour after firing the gun just a few times, I was anxious and irritable

Here's that writer: ;)
 

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Millwright

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OMG

I have never seen such an obvious owner of a mangina before.

It has to be horrible for him in those 1 piece pajamas, when he has to squat to pee.
 

Dennis Olson

Chief Curmudgeon
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That was the Obamacare "guy" from a couple years ago. He was in the primary ad campaign. Google-up "pajama boy" and see the THOUSANDS of memes that generated.
 

mistaken1

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The recoil bruised my shoulder, which can happen if you don't know what you're doing. The brass shell casings disoriented me as they flew past my face. The smell of sulfur and destruction made me sick. The explosions — loud like a bomb — gave me a temporary form of PTSD. For at least an hour after firing the gun just a few times, I was anxious and irritable.

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This weenie should try shooting one of biden's shotguns ........

If flying brass is disorienting I do not believe this person should be driving at any speed over 10 MPH as the roadside objects flying by at any higher rate of speed will be disorienting.

Nothing but fear mongering for those who have not learned to shoot disguised as an open-minded look at a killing machine errr uhh firearm.


Gersh Kuntzman .... you can't make this stuff up.
 

mistaken1

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Journalist who fired AR-15 bazooka awarded National Defense Service Medal

http://www.duffelblog.com/2016/06/j...d-national-defense-service-medal-va-benefits/

Journalist who fired AR-15 bazooka awarded National Defense Service Medal

WASHINGTON, D.C. – A journalist from the New York Daily News has been awarded the National Defense Service Medal in recognition of his honorable service during a time of crisis, a Pentagon spokesperson announced today.

The recipient will also be eligible to receive disability compensation from the Department of Veterans Affairs within the next decade.

Gersh Kuntzman, a veteran journalist of 30 years, put down the pen to take up the sword on Wednesday, traveling from New York to Philadelphia to experience the thrill of firing a military-grade weapon similar to the one used in the Orlando terror attack.

Kuntzman’s battle-weary, critically-acclaimed memoir, “What is it like to fire an AR-15? It’s horrifying, menacing and very, very loud,” quickly gained widespread acclaim, including the notice of many active-duty service members, who lauded his steadfast heroics.

“We here in the Department of Defense are in awe of Mr. Kuntzman’s martial prowess and noble sacrifice to this nation,” said Lt. Col. Patricia Green, a Pentagon spokesperson. “Shooting an AR-15 is exactly the same as being in combat, as evidenced by Mr. Kuntzman’s self-diagnosed PTSD.”

The AR-15 assault bazooka is the civilian counterpart to the military’s M4A1 bazooka. The shoulder-fired weapon is renowned for its crippling recoil and deafening boom, leading many bazooka enthusiasts to train their children from an early age to develop the tolerance required to handle such a mighty instrument of destruction.

However, despite extensive exposure to the bazooka, many service members are haunted by the trauma using such a weapon bears, and relive the same horrors enumerated by Kuntzman – namely, anxiety and irritability.

“I’ll never forget the first time I fired my bazooka in combat,” said Lee Morgan, a former soldier who deployed three times in support of Operation Iraqi Freedom. “The screams of all my dying friends plague my nightmares, but mostly I hear gunfire.”

“It’s very, very loud,” he added. “It sounds like a freakin’ cannon.”

Kuntzman could not be reached for comment, but was last seen boarding a trebuchet bound for New York City.
 

vestige

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OP:

“Frank Stelmach of Double Tap Shooting Range and Gun Shop … has difficulty explaining why law-abiding citizens need a gun that can empty a 40-round clip in less than five seconds.”


I will explain it for him.

It ain't for squirrel season...

it is in case the citizen needs to shoot one or several SOBs real fast.

Just like cops and the military...

Not a mystery... just common sense.
 

L.A.B.

Goodness before greatness.
40 years ago I had my first. 4 months ago I sold my last. The 5.56 affair is mostly over for me, but I support those who appreciate her attributes. Slim, fast follow up, ergonomically proficient, popular with the men, yet doesn't like to operate dirty. A bit loud about business, a little flashy to some, but right by your side through thick or thin.

She's a keeper.
 

Dozdoats

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The 5.56 affair is mostly over for me

So what are you doing "in lieu of" if you don't mind my asking?

Three days in the hot NC sun with an AR slung on you somewhere will teach you a lot about how you personally want to interface with the carbine. It was good to have had the experience courtesy of Louis Awerbuck a few years back. Weight of the gun matters. How you sling it matters, for quick easy access as well as comfort over the long term.

I have yet to find anything faster, easier and more versatile than a good AR carbine, though I have not yet ventured into the bullpup field so far. I like a good trigger better than a shorter carbine, perhaps if there is a good 'fix' for the Tavor...

Meanwhile I'm still sold on the M4gery.
 

Hfcomms

EN66iq
, “What is it like to fire an AR-15? It’s horrifying, menacing and very, very loud,” quickly gained widespread acclaim

Heh, I remember first day on the rifle range going through basic. The DI took a M-16 with a 30 round magazine, put it on full automatic and braced it right in his crotch and emptied the whole magazine. Said that you couldn't do that with a M-14. It was impressive and showed that the recoil wasn't bad at all. Wouldn't of wanted to try that myself however.
 

Millwright

Knuckle Dragger
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Heh, I remember first day on the rifle range going through basic. The DI took a M-16 with a 30 round magazine, put it on full automatic and braced it right in his crotch and emptied the whole magazine. Said that you couldn't do that with a M-14. It was impressive and showed that the recoil wasn't bad at all. Wouldn't of wanted to try that myself however.


Was part of the basic training script back then.

Probably get a DI on the carpet now for sexual harassment.


7.62 or 5.56....yes

AR or other quality platform...yes, again.

More tools make it easier to do specific jobs.
 

windsail

"Montani Semper Liberi"
I really want a hundred rounds of "bump fire" with a Lisa Jean...please...I'm getting older but think I could take it..please God..just one hundred rounds of Lisa Jean and I'll go peaceably ..Have mercy.....windsail....:groucho:

this girl puts mangina's to shame



and if you have an EBR you need to get what she has on hers
 
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Housecarl

On TB every waking moment
Someone needs to remind Stokes, the author of the article posted in #11 by Dozdoats, over at Wired that he is either currently or has been in the past if over 45 years of age been part of the Militia of the United States per US Code Title 10, Chapter 13.

But what do I know, I at least research something if I'm not sure about it before I post on it here and I even provide the links.....:vik:
 

Dozdoats

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http://www.redstate.com/kimberly_ross/2016/06/21/democrats-continue-show-gun-dumbness/

Democrat Senator Predicts Tens of Millions of Deaths from AR-15s

Posted at 3:00 pm on June 21, 2016 by Kimberly Ross

On Monday, New Hampshire Senator Jeanne Shaheen let her "gun dumbness" show as she railed on against gun owners, specifically those possessing the AR-15.

Democrats' emotionalism is on such brazen display in the never-ending gun debate. The Left is always obsessed with attaching personhood to weapons instead of focusing upon the motives of individual criminals who would harm others, no matter which weapon they choose.

The Washington Times reports Senator Shaheen's thoughts shared Monday on the AR-15:


Ms. Shaheen claimed that what the AR-15 is “advertised as being able to do, technologically advances…killing people that previous weapons have been unable to do.”

“Somebody who is buying that kind of a weapon isn’t buying it for target shooting,” she said. “They’re not buying it to go out and hunt deer. You don’t need an AK-47 or an AR-15 to hunt deer. They’re buying it to do bad things and we need to recognize that and address it.”

Absurd stuff.

In her comments, she paints the AR-15 with a homicidal brush, as if no other weapon - gun, bat, knife, hammer, fork, or car - can be used "to do bad things". Clearly, this is nonsense. Evil in the hearts of men and women will spur them to select whichever device they want in order to hurt others. The article continues with a rebuttal to Shaheen:

According to the NRA, the AR-15 is one of America’s most popular rifle for sport shooting, hunting and self-defense due to its accuracy and modularity. The National Shooting Sports Foundation estimates there are roughly 5 million to 10 million AR-15 rifles owned in the U.S.

Sport shooting, hunting, and self-defense aren't bad things, Jeanne.

If estimates are correct, and AR-15 ownership is in the 5,000,000 to 10,000,000 range, and we weigh this against Shaheen's claim of bad motives directly connected to AR-15 ownership, then the number of mass shootings should be astronomical. If she really believed what she was saying, why would she even step foot outside?

This is another example of liberals' emotionalism when it comes to firearms. They don't like guns by default, and they prefer to think we live in a world where they're not needed. The AR-15 is just the beginning. Senator Shaheen won't be the last one to make comments like these, and if we want to keep our gun rights we must stand firm in our struggle to persuade impressionable hearts and minds.
 

Dozdoats

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http://streetcarnage.com/blog/dear-street-carnage-the-gun-control-debate-is-over/

DEAR STREET CARNAGE, THE GUN CONTROL DEBATE IS OVER

Posted by Street Carnage • 06.20.16 11:28 am

Now that the dust has started to settle in Orlando I’d like to weigh in and remind everyone that the gun control debate—or rather “national conversation” as people like to call it— is over. It’s done.

It doesn’t matter if you don’t like guns—or like most women, you don’t like scary looking guns—you can’t escape the fact that they exist, and that they’re actually very simple devices. By far most firearms are semi-automatic, meaning that they fire repetitively each time you pull the trigger. This is not some wizardry or complex semiconductor technology— it is a very basic concept that has been around since the 1800s. It’s far too primitive to try and prohibit and people have been making their own firearms for many years.

When one of these shootings occurs, everybody starts finger-pointing and chest-thumping, lamenting the lack of policy measures that would certainly prevent these sort of atrocities and that would magically make all gun violence go bye-bye forever. If only we had more background checks and smaller magazines, fewer crazed jihadis would carry out vicious attacks, right?

The Left will argue that we need to ban more things and make more laws because that’s their solution to everything. Then the “gun nuts” will respond with a three pronged argument: that morally we have a right to use basic tools to defend ourselves; that the 2nd Amendment says clear as **** that we have the right to bear arms; and third, that leaving all that aside, study after study shows that rampant gun ownership actually makes communities safer and gun laws are just a pain in the ass. Then the Left will say, no, morally you can’t have weapons capable of mass murder, the constitution was talking about muskets and militias and can be changed since it’s a “living, breathing document,” and that gun laws do reduce crime because Australia.

Now, all these anti-gun arguments are easy to refute and arguing about it has actually gotten incredibly boring. Look at John Lott, who’s been pounding this drum for decades—in every interview he seems bored out of his mind. Pundits bring him on as the wacky gun guy, like they’re blown away that someone could have such support for something as bad as scary guns that go bang. “John, a lot of people are asking why anyone would need to own an assault weapon like an AR-15.”

Then he has to educate them like kindergarteners on caliber size and how ****ing guns work before he can even get into his research that makes them look stupid. ****ing lazy questions with no responsible prep research— if you’re going to ask a question about a particular gun in an interview, maybe do a google search beforehand on what that particular gun actually is so you don’t look like more of a dumbass.

But fortunately we don’t have to make these arguments anymore. Thank God that this debate or “national conversation” is finally over and has been settled. It’s done with. Nobody won or lost, it is simply a contentious subject that has been rendered moot by the internet and advancements in technology.

With 3D printers, CNC mills, file sharing, etc., any motivated individual can not only get their hands on a gun, as is currently the case, but also an untraceable “ghost gun.” Cody Wilson and the rabble-rousers over at Defense Distributed are demonstrating that it is now futile to regulate the shape of a little piece of metal, and that you cannot ban a box with a spring in it. For $1500 you can essentially buy your own mini rifle factory. And you can download files for “3D printing” illegal magazines named after gun-hating politicians like Feinstein and Cuomo. You’ve got to appreciate the trollmanship.

So carry on with your national conversation and keep phoning your local congresspersons to demand that they take action, whatever that means. Those of us who choose to defend ourselves will continue to find ways to arm ourselves despite your annoying laws, as we know that monomaniacal psychopaths will do the same. There’s no longer a need to engage the emotional peace cries of the willfully defenseless.

-ROB HOHNE
 
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