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naturallysweet

Has No Life - Lives on TB
The police should have called his parents. But it wasn't a school project. He made something that looks like the trigger to a bomb. I imagine he planned on leaving it somewhere and calling in a bomb threat. As has happened several times in the same school!

But even if he was all sunshine and light, he should have talked instead of refusing to talk. Yes, he had the right to remain silent. But if your a teenage boy of any racial ancestry, and you make.m sometimes that looks like a bomb trigger, adults have the right to be worried.
 

Adino

paradigm shaper
Of course the white Christian wouldn't be invited to the WH. He/she would be a right wing turrorist.

Be careful what you beg to be placed on your enemies, I think they are trying to get the white Christians riled into a mob, then change the target to us.

and what pray tell am i begging to be placed on my enemies?
 

RCSAR

Veteran Member
Originally Posted by Be Well
Moslems should not have that right.


Being a Constitutionalist I have to disagree in the strongest way.
All rights need to be protected...period. This the only way to protect your rights and mine!

Now if you want to deport him or jail or what ever the case may be then take a shot. We have procedures in place for that.

When folks talk about taking away our natural rights I get kinda bent.
Not that I condone that religion but I have to stand up for all religions because if I believe in the constitution, I have to.

Do I like the nation of Islam, hell no!
They have a clear, spelled out and written plan to take over all christian nations. We can not shrink from that clear and present danger. If not now then later. Later when the cost in blood and way of life will be very high. Do I want to wait that long? Do you want to wait that long? Of course a thinking person will say no. so that leaves the question we have before us today......

How the heck to we nip this in the bud?
 

mikedonathan

Contributing Member
The police should have called his parents. But it wasn't a school project. He made something that looks like the trigger to a bomb. I imagine he planned on leaving it somewhere and calling in a bomb threat. As has happened several times in the same school!

But even if he was all sunshine and light, he should have talked instead of refusing to talk. Yes, he had the right to remain silent. But if your a teenage boy of any racial ancestry, and you make.m sometimes that looks like a bomb trigger, adults have the right to be worried.

Refuse to talk? He said it was a clock. What else can you say when all it is is a clock. If you look at the the picture, you can see the 9 volt battery connector to get a sense of the size. The whole thing would sit in the palm of your hand. The whole thing should be so embarrassing for the cops and especially the teacher and principal they wouldn't want to show their faces. We've apparently hit new lows on the fear/PC index.
 

TerryK

TB Fanatic
The police should have called his parents. But it wasn't a school project. He made something that looks like the trigger to a bomb. I imagine he planned on leaving it somewhere and calling in a bomb threat. As has happened several times in the same school!

But even if he was all sunshine and light, he should have talked instead of refusing to talk. Yes, he had the right to remain silent. But if your a teenage boy of any racial ancestry, and you make.m sometimes that looks like a bomb trigger, adults have the right to be worried.

It didn't look like a bomb trigger.
What bomb trigger needs to be plugged into the wall to work???
He is an electronics and robotics enthusiast. You should see the picture of his bedroom at home. Soldering iron dangling off the desk and the room covered in electronics parts. Looks like a Radio Shack back room.
He was on the robotics team at junior high and was looking to get into something similar at his new high school.
He actually brought his homemade clock to show his science teacher the first thing in the morning. Science teacher was impressed but told him not to be showing it around school. He didn't. He put it in his backpack and it beeped in English class. His teacher asked him to show her what it was, and she did. She panicked and called the principle, who also panicked and called the police. They all sat around with the supposed bomb waiting for the police without evacuating the school.
5 policemen came and together with the school administrator they took the boy and his clock/ "bomb" into a room and proceeded to interrogate him for two hours.
They tried to force him to sign a confession. He repeatedly told them it was just a clock and even told them he had already showed it to his science teacher.
I guess they were too stupid to talk to the science teacher who could have cleared it all up. If they even remotely thought it might be a bomb, they were criminally negligent and derelict in their duties for not evacuating the school for over two hours.
Also if this had been an attempt at a hoax, why would he have proudly shown the clock to his science teacher as son as he got to school.

Finally they perp walked him in cuffs and his clock/"bomb" to juvie. So yes he was arrested, but later released to his parents.
He is suspended from school for 4 days because of a bunch of zero tolerance uneducated educators and over reacting cops.

His family has had several offers from prominent lawyers already. Hope they take one of them up and sue the hell out of the school and the cops.

He has had offers to visit the White House for astronomy night and meet and talk with several astronauts. NASA and MIT have both invited him to visit and tour their labs. Zuckerman at facebook has asked him to visit their California offices. Many other scientists and engineers have also offered to give him tours of their labs and show off their neat toys. If he's lucky he'll get a full ride to MIT.
Bottom line the kid was unjustly profiled by supposedly educated people who should have known better.

Whether it's this young science nerd or a first grader chewing his poptart into the shape of a gun, or a kid whose father is in the Army drawing a picture of Army men with guns, our schools have gotten ridiculous and stupid in their zero tolerance policies. They should have zero tolerance for ignorant teachers and encourage kids to e creative.
 

Be Well

may all be well
So, in your opinion, which citizens TODAY should have that right?

And tomorrow?

Everyone except moslems. Why? Because they are either enemy combatants, supporters of enemy combatants, future enemy combatants, or enemy combatants in training.
 

Be Well

may all be well
Originally Posted by Be Well
Moslems should not have that right.


Being a Constitutionalist I have to disagree in the strongest way.
All rights need to be protected...period. This the only way to protect your rights and mine!

Now if you want to deport him or jail or what ever the case may be then take a shot. We have procedures in place for that.

When folks talk about taking away our natural rights I get kinda bent.
Not that I condone that religion but I have to stand up for all religions because if I believe in the constitution, I have to.

Do I like the nation of Islam, hell no!
They have a clear, spelled out and written plan to take over all christian nations. We can not shrink from that clear and present danger. If not now then later. Later when the cost in blood and way of life will be very high. Do I want to wait that long? Do you want to wait that long? Of course a thinking person will say no. so that leaves the question we have before us today......

How the heck to we nip this in the bud?

We nip it in the bud by treating moslems as enemy combatants in vary degrees, as described above.

Have any of you read how many moslems who live in the US favor jihad? It's a huge percentage. And no doubt some are lying saying they don't. Several studies and they all have huge numbers of moslems living here, many born here, who support and want jihad. And it is not just "Christian" nations, they hate Jews, Hindus, Buddhists, Sikhs, Jains, animists and all the rest and want to (and have, historically) slaughtered and conquered countries and populations of those religions as well.
 

Tex88

Veteran Member
Originally Posted by Be Well
Moslems should not have that right.



Now if you want to deport him or jail or what ever the case may be then take a shot. We have procedures in place for that.

What for? We WANT young people to tinker, hack, build and invent. We WANT immigrants to not even think of themselves as immigrants but as Americans... to whom the thought "there's a 9V battery, I bet they think I'm building a bomb." is totally alien because they think of themselves as Americans, not as potential bomb builders purely based on their ethnicity. And I bet many here would rightfully bristle at the thought of being thought of as terrorists for bringing a propane tank to the gun range and blowing it up for poops and grins. Also, as many here rail against the MSM (again, rightfully so), taking "well it looks like a bomb in the movies" as evidence of nefarious intent is hypocritical at best. How many here have giggled at the inert hand grenades with the label "complaints department, please take a number" seen at gun shows, and how many have expressed -justified- outrage over police raids concerning that same item? How often did I read threads here about TPTB overstepping their bounds with their self proclaimed importance? Cops, feds, gov agencies, school authorities... and suddenly because this guy is brown and called Ahmed, you throw this all out of the window? When what we should do is to sucker him in to the American way of tinkering with things that go boom, scoffing at authority, and building new stuff.
 

Dreamer

Veteran Member
and what pray tell am i begging to be placed on my enemies?

Maybe it wasn't you, but there are many people here claiming that his demographics should restrict his rights.

I'm not in favor of special rights for anyone, or exemption from natural consequence automatically granted for anyone. Directly tying our government to religion provides a clear legal path to sharia, and I find that troubling.
 

raven

TB Fanatic
Box appears to the the Vaultz Locking Pencil Box, 8.25 x 5.5 x 2.5 Inches
Get em Amazon for all your science projects - only $25
About half the size of a sheet of paper.
 

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RCSAR

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We nip it in the bud by treating moslems as enemy combatants in vary degrees, as described above.

Have any of you read how many moslems who live in the US favor jihad? It's a huge percentage. And no doubt some are lying saying they don't. Several studies and they all have huge numbers of moslems living here, many born here, who support and want jihad. And it is not just "Christian" nations, they hate Jews, Hindus, Buddhists, Sikhs, Jains, animists and all the rest and want to (and have, historically) slaughtered and conquered countries and populations of those religions as well.

Be Well I understand the way you feel, I really do.
The Texan in me says hang the MFrs on the courthouse steps and on the lamp posts so the enemies of the u.s. can see them on the way to the very slow boat to the Country of Whogivesadamn. I'll even grow the hemp and make the rope to donate to the project!

Then again, what if MY religion or hair color was the target of the media and public opinion. Which IS possible when we start hang'n folks. Not that I'm saying Islam is not a threat as they told us they are. But.....if a tyrant used the same propaganda machine to go after me and mine then we are screwed. We have immigration laws that are ignored and borders that 18 wheelers are being driven through. The failure is in not enforcing the existing laws. They are there to be be used and are being ignored. If it comes to hangn folks then we need to start thinking of the ones that let this happen on their watch.

How do we fight this with out putting OUR rights in jeopardy?

Not directed at you BW
If any people put love of government or a nation above all and it does not stand in the shadow of your love for freedom and liberty then you have messed up priorities. - RCSAR
 

night driver

ESFP adrift in INTJ sea
Again, if the school had actually responded to what they CLAIM they were responding to, and actually pulled the trigger on the bomb squad, evac, etc I would have MUCH less issue with the situation.

AS it is, they effed up LARGE.
 

Be Well

may all be well
Be Well I understand the way you feel, I really do.
The Texan in me says hang the MFrs on the courthouse steps and on the lamp posts so the enemies of the u.s. can see them on the way to the very slow boat to the Country of Whogivesadamn. I'll even grow the hemp and make the rope to donate to the project!

Then again, what if MY religion or hair color was the target of the media and public opinion. Which IS possible when we start hang'n folks. Not that I'm saying Islam is not a threat as they told us they are. But.....if a tyrant used the same propaganda machine to go after me and mine then we are screwed. We have immigration laws that are ignored and borders that 18 wheelers are being driven through. The failure is in not enforcing the existing laws. They are there to be be used and are being ignored. If it comes to hangn folks then we need to start thinking of the ones that let this happen on their watch.

How do we fight this with out putting OUR rights in jeopardy?

Not directed at you BW
If any people put love of government or a nation above all and it does not stand in the shadow of your love for freedom and liberty then you have messed up priorities. - RCSAR

We NEED TO open our eyes to the reality that Islam is not, strictly speaking, a religion, or not a religion like every other religion. It is a political ideology of conquest, with the banner of "religion" fueling it. You cannot separate bloody conquest from Islam. Maybe in the future, when Islamic jihad is utterly defeated (which has to happen), the remaining moslems can figure out a way to practice Islam minus the bloody conquest.

History tells us what Islam is and what it has always been since the time of its founder.

Living in a fantasy land, tolerating that which does NOT tolerate us, is suicide. Eloi. Pretending that Islam is just another flavor or variety of belief, is exactly what jihadis want you to think, and the commies who team up with them. And they are very clever at using our freedoms and rights to further jihad, here and in Europe. Now they've "victims" etc.

It is not like any other religion, because its ideology and 1400 years of practice say "DEATH TO THE INFIDELS" and they mean it 100%. Pretending that it is a regular religion is suicidal ignoring of history.


ETA: NEED TO


Also - in war time, some things change. Islam is at war with us. About freaking time we realize that. Islam is also at war with the rest of the world.

There are various factions in the US and EU that want to minimize what Islam is, or pretend it's not there, or make claims that moslems are only mad at us because the US was mean to them, etc. That is utter, utter b.s. Nonsense. Look at the history of Islam, and that is what the present is and what the future holds. Unless and until the rest of the world gets their big boy pants on and deals with Islam the way it should be dealt with - as an enemy that needs to be militarily and every other way, defeated.
 
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Be Well

may all be well
Maybe it wasn't you, but there are many people here claiming that his demographics should restrict his rights.

I'm not in favor of special rights for anyone, or exemption from natural consequence automatically granted for anyone. Directly tying our government to religion provides a clear legal path to sharia, and I find that troubling.

Now that is such a convoluted thought process that it eats its own tail....
 

tiger13

Veteran Member
What if it was a white kid. Would it have been anymore right to do? Would it still have warranted a continued 3 day suspension? Rights are rights, or we are lost as a country.
 
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tiger13

Veteran Member
Cry me a river!

If he is so damn smart, he should know that would raise eyebrows.
This innocent young Einstein sure knows how to play the entitlement card.

Go home already!
What if it was a white kid. Would it have been anymore right to do? Would it still have warranted a continued 3 day suspension? Rights are rights, or we are lost as a country.
 

L.A.B.

Goodness before greatness.
I think the young men on the train retired the "see something say something" BS.
 

CanadianGuy

Veteran Member
Hi I read elsewhere on the internet that The father is Mohamed Elhassan Mohamed, he is a Presidential candidate for Sudan. Someone stated that if true then this boy would have diplomatic immunity therefore let go. His father is head of the National Reform Party
Also they said
"there is an underlying connection between Obama and the Father. But, Because he is a Muslim Presidential candidate of an Islamic country that is connected with terrorism Obama could not just invite him so they had to arrange some sort of way to meet with out anyone taking notice."

if this is true then we have all been set up.
any thoughts,
 

Faroe

Un-spun
Could be, CanandianGuy.
I do find the story a little too pat to automatically take at face value.
Someone earlier used the speculative phrasing, "a successful probe."

I hope we learn more about it eventually.
 

willowlady

Veteran Member
Hi I read elsewhere on the internet that The father is Mohamed Elhassan Mohamed, he is a Presidential candidate for Sudan. Someone stated that if true then this boy would have diplomatic immunity therefore let go. His father is head of the National Reform Party
Also they said
"there is an underlying connection between Obama and the Father. But, Because he is a Muslim Presidential candidate of an Islamic country that is connected with terrorism Obama could not just invite him so they had to arrange some sort of way to meet with out anyone taking notice."

if this is true then we have all been set up.
any thoughts,

If true, and it's certainly possible, the "adults" are using the kid abominably, even if it's with the kid's cooperation.

But even if he was all sunshine and light, he should have talked instead of refusing to talk. Yes, he had the right to remain silent. But if your a teenage boy of any racial ancestry, and you make.m sometimes that looks like a bomb trigger, adults have the right to be worried.

NO, he should not have talked after his initial "it's a clock" statements. Not with today's near-police-state mentality of the schools. If I was raising kids in today's world (thank God I'm not), they would be prepped and primed as to what to do if innocently involved in any difficulty such as this at school. They would be insisting that I be called and they'd refuse to say anything other than "I want my mom (or dad)." I never abrogated my parental rights to any school, nor to any police department. That said, God help my kids if they had ever had a school call for me and my kid was the trouble maker. Their precious self-esteem would certainly have suffered, together with meeting whatever other disciplinary measures (probably not physical) I enacted. Sure, the adults have the right to be worried. But they don't have the right to treat him like a worm.
 

raven

TB Fanatic
Tom Cruise has just asked Ahmed to build a "clock" for the next installment of Mission Impossible
 

Tex88

Veteran Member
Hmm... interesting, Canadian.

http://www.okayafrica.com/news/istandwithahmed-mohamed-elhassan-mohamed-sudanese-father-backstory/

Born in Sudan in 1961, Mohamed, a former customs worker at Khartoum International Airport, earned a degree in philosophy from Cairo University in Khartoum before emigrating to the U.S. “Once I realized my dream was bigger than what Sudan had to offer I immigrated to America in the mid-1980’s,” he told the North Dallas Gazette. In that same interview, Mohamed shared that upon arrival in the U.S.– where he says his degree was not accepted– he initially sold hot dogs, candy, and newspapers in Manhattan. “I realized this wasn’t enough for me, and I packed my bag and moved to Dallas, Texas y’all,” he told the paper. In Texas, he started out as a pizza delivery man before becoming a taxi driver and ultimately launching his own business ventures– he owns a computer repair shop in Irving, Texas (perhaps where his son gets his tech acuity from), a cab company called Jet Taxi, a medical emergency transport company called Paradise Prime Investments, and the solar energy business AlSufi International in Sudan. He also served as self-elected president of the small Sufi Muslim AlSufi center in Irving.

Mohamed has also run for president of Sudan on two separate occasions.

If anything, TRUMP should invite them :)
 

JohnnyABC

Senior Member
It takes a lot of talent to take apart an alarm clock and put it in a case. There wasn't one indication of soldering in the photo and who puts a display on the inside of a case. It certainly does not show electrical engineering aptitude and warrant such awards.

I took electronics in Grade 10, thirty years ago and was the same age, soldering components on a breadboard and used less parts and mounted it cleanly.

This was just stupid.
 

GreenGecko

Inactive
Now that is such a convoluted thought process that it eats its own tail....

I don't see it as convoluted all. Using the same, and I use the term logic, that you have been saying; it is a valid conclusion. You lump Islam into one large homogeneous group. You also state, " You cannot separate bloody conquest from Islam." The same thing could have been said about Christianity at one time. I still hear terms that glorify this bloody Christian conquest. Children's crusade, Christian Soldier, etc. It sounds like Christians are still at war. Still using broad and general terms, there is a push to make the Constitution conform to Christian views.

In your tagline, you quote verses related to the Brihadaranyaka Upanishad, so I don't know what religion your follow, if any, but it does not matter. You suggest subversions to the Constitution, and this opens the door for, as Dreamer put it, tying our government to a legal path to allow what ever religion that is successful in the subversion to enforce their 'laws.' ---Sharia being among them.
 

TerryK

TB Fanatic
It takes a lot of talent to take apart an alarm clock and put it in a case. There wasn't one indication of soldering in the photo and who puts a display on the inside of a case. It certainly does not show electrical engineering aptitude and warrant such awards.

I took electronics in Grade 10, thirty years ago and was the same age, soldering components on a breadboard and used less parts and mounted it cleanly.

This was just stupid.

I agree with you. The whole incident and the school and police reaction to it was just stupid.
He builds his own radios and robots and other digital projects at home. The clock was just something unsophisticated that he put together in a half hour to show his new science teacher, which he did as soon as he got to school. If it was intended as a hoax he sure as hell wouldn't show it to the science teacher as soon as he got to school. A smart science teacher would have kept the project in the science classroom and have the kid pick it up at the end of the day.
Oh and the picture you see is after the police tore it apart looking for the "bomb". Teachers I can understand being so stupid. Cops should know better. Also if they really were concerned they would have evacuated the school from the beginning.
He is a certified nerd according to those in his last school and was the star on his old middle school robotics team. He should have brought a radio or one of his robotic projects to school. It would have caused a lot less trouble. His new high school is obviously not one with a good STEM curriculum and good teachers to teach it.

I'm sure you did nice bread-boarding projects when you were a kid. Me, I was always in too much of a hurry to be very neat. My first Heath Kit Shortwave Radio was a mess of cold soldering joints. I built an inadequately shielded X-ray machine as a freshman, grade 9 science project. It worked but I wasn't sure about how much of a dose the teacher and my classmates got when I demonstrated it to the class. The physics teacher had me improve the shielding before it went to the state level science fair. .


Sometimes a clock is just a clock. :shk: And all this is a big fuss about nothing. If only the science teacher would have kept the box in his/her classroom until the end of the school day this would have never happened.
I must say, science projects have gotten a lot less sophisticated since I was in high school. What the hell happened to the 6 foot tall Tesla Coils or the huge homemade Van de Graff generators? Radios and clocks. pfft
 
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JohnnyABC

Senior Member
He builds his own radios and robots and other digital projects. The clock was just something unsophisticated thathe put together in a half hour to show his new science teacherl

I think you missed my point, he didn't build anything. He took apart an alarm clock and pasted the components in a small case at 14 years old. I know many kids that built things, messy or not at far younger ages in the past 30 years. There is no skill here and no matter what the race or religion it smacks of a prank, trolling, and then controlling narrative. Just because a kid is paraded out in a Nasa shirt and glasses doesn't prove anything.

What kind of project involves putting a clock with the display in a small briefcase thing?
He's in 9th grade and shouldn't be that silly. This is more akin to freaking out a teacher and playing victim.
 
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TerryK

TB Fanatic
I think you missed my point, he didn't build anything. He took apart an alarm clock and pasted the components in a small case at 14 years old. I know many kids that built things, messy or not at far younger ages in the past 30 years. There is no skill here and no matter what the race or religion it smacks of a prank, trolling, and then controlling narrative. Just because a kid is paraded out in a Nasa shirt and glasses doesn't prove anything.

If it was a prank why did he take it to his science teacher the first thing in the morning when he got to school?
Yeah I know it wasn't much and judging by the project, the kid is no genius, but reporters who went to his house reported seeing many other electronic and robotic projects in his room. Could it all be a put on? Sure, but it would really be interesting to see what his grades in science and math look like in the next few years and if he actually builds something noteworthy while in high school.
 

JohnnyABC

Senior Member
IYeah I know it wasn't much and judging by the project, the kid is no genius, but reporters who went to his house reported seeing many other electronic and robotic projects in his room.

Reporters seeing gadgets in the house after the fact is worthless and is controlling the narrative.
 
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Be Well

may all be well
I don't see it as convoluted all. Using the same, and I use the term logic, that you have been saying; it is a valid conclusion. You lump Islam into one large homogeneous group. You also state, " You cannot separate bloody conquest from Islam." The same thing could have been said about Christianity at one time. I still hear terms that glorify this bloody Christian conquest. Children's crusade, Christian Soldier, etc. It sounds like Christians are still at war. Still using broad and general terms, there is a push to make the Constitution conform to Christian views.

In your tagline, you quote verses related to the Brihadaranyaka Upanishad, so I don't know what religion your follow, if any, but it does not matter. You suggest subversions to the Constitution, and this opens the door for, as Dreamer put it, tying our government to a legal path to allow what ever religion that is successful in the subversion to enforce their 'laws.' ---Sharia being among them.

Hmm. You apparently know nothing of the history of Islam, but consider yourself an expert, so I don't think I am the one to help you see the light. And truth is truth, whatever book it is written in.
 

Plain Jane

Just Plain Jane
As an unrelated note, in April the Mayor from the town got in trouble for voting down a Sharia court.
http://dfw.cbslocal.com/2015/04/02/tempers-flair-at-irving-city-hall-over-anti-sharia-law/

This was definitely a probe. And Irving appears to be ground zero for it. Think of the other things that have occured to Texas in the last several months; Jade Helm, Waco biker slaughter. For some reason I am unable to copy the entire article, but this family is in Jihad up to their eyeballs.

http://theconservativetreehouse.com...aker-ahmed-mohamed-is-son-of-muslim-activist/

[…] Aside from his presidential bids, Mohamed also made headlines for his bizarre role in Rev. Terry Jones’ incendiary Quran trial. In 2012, when the Florida pastor made good on his threat to burn a Quran in his Gainesville church and put the Quran on “trial,” Mohamed, who refers to himself as a sheik, was apparently the one Muslim willing to play along as the defense in the mock trial. “[The church] put an ad on their channel: ‘Whoever feels in himself he has the power to defend Quran is welcome,’” he told the Dallas Observer. (read more)

And here’s a five year old article explaining his relationship to the Terry Jones Koran burning episode – SEE HERE –
 

OddOne

< Yes, I do look like that.
Oh, just to add a little detail:

The "suspicious device" was transported in a regular police car to the station along with the kid, not by EOD in a special transport container to a remote area.

The cops involved knew it wasn't a bomb. A bomb timer, perhaps, but not anything that was in and of itself a threat.
 

raven

TB Fanatic
go on the internet and search for concealed clocks.
you will not find one. you will find just about every imaginative idea for hiding things inside a clock.
but hiding a clock inside something so that the display cannot be seen unless it is opened is just not there.
the only place you will see a clock inside something else is in the movies.
the idea is so pervasive that they do not even need to tell you "it's a bomb".
In the movies, if a box is opened and there is a clock display inside the box, then the audience knows immediately.

And now you come along and tell me to ignore our cultural programming. Why?
Is this like Borat: Cultural Learnings of America for Make Benefit Glorious Nation of Kazakhstan?
Do you have some proof that, in Sudan, the Cultural norm is to build clocks inside a case?

You say that since the kid says it was a clock we should accept that it was a clock. Really?
A 7 year old gnawed a pop tart into the shape of a gun and was suspended. Don't you think the teacher could tell it was a pop tart?
The Irving ISD has a written code of conduct. Every student is required to sign one. It defines prohibited items. "look alike weapons" are prohibited.
The Irving police did not say it was a bomb. They said it was a "Hoax Bomb". Something designed to look like weapon.
I showed the picture to my 14 year old grandson who lives with me, is home schooled, and was not aware of what was going on. First thing he said "Is that a bomb?"
It does not matter what it was. It matters what it looked like.

Could it have been handled different? Sure. Was it handled wrong? No.
The first teacher should have confiscated it right off the bat and sent it to the principal. Why? There was an electric power cord for 110 in a box that was not UL approved. It was an electrical shock hazard. Had anyone been shocked there would have been a liability issue. The second teacher took it to the principal. This was correct.
The principal had to make a judgement call. Bomb Hoaxes have become an ongoing problem in schools. Google three words "school hoax threat" and you will get page after page of bomb hoaxes in schools. They are illegal. The principal called the police. This was correct. In fact, there is a high probability that there was a uniformed officer on duty in the school.
 

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TerryK

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One of the kids listed below actually brought a fertilizer bomb to school.
It had inert ingredients, but nobody knew that for sure when he brought it to school.
His teacher approved it for a project. The teacher got in trouble, but not the kid.
Oh, one other thing, none of the kids were moslem.

http://gawker.com/7-kids-not-named-mohamed-who-brought-homemade-clocks-to-1730999866
7 Kids Not Named Mohamed Who Brought Homemade Clocks to School And Didn't Get Arrested


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Andy CushFiled to: Ahmed Mohamed9/16/15 12:10pm
Hoping to impress the teachers at his new school, an Irving, Texas, high school freshman named Ahmed Mohamed brought a homemade clock with him to MacArthur High Monday morning, which he’d assembled before bed the night before. When he showed it to those teachers, though, they were something other than impressed, and by Monday afternoon, Mohamed was being led out of school in handcuffs. Ahmed’s English teacher believed the device was a bomb.

Texas High School Has Muslim Teenager Arrested for Building a Clock

A Muslim teenager who built a clock for a class project won a prize he really didn’t want: a… Read more


Why? Could it have something to do with Ahmed Mohamed’s name, or the color of his skin? His father thinks so. “He just wants to invent good things for mankind,” Mohamed Elhassan Mohamed told the Dallas Morning News. “But because his name is Mohamed and because of Sept. 11, I think my son got mistreated.”
Mohamed’s father might be right. Below are seven students, not named Mohamed, who got off scot-free for the heinous crime of DIY timekeeping, plus a bonus kid who brought an actual inert bomb to school and wasn’t suspended. (Mohamed got three days.)
Peter Mathis of Wilmington, North Carolina
Another student who likes clocks made a clock of his own. Peter Mattis of Gregory elementary wanted to make a clock more complex than a sundial, so he made his own liquid clock.
The clock drips green fluid into a container to mark the hour. And while Peter doesn’t use the clock to tell time at home because it tells time by hours instead of minutes, he can think of one situation where the clock would come in handy: a hurricane.
Wilmington Morning Star, March 10, 1999
Haley Zinke and Tasha Williams of Turtle Lake, North Dakota
Haley Zinke and Tasha Williams researched whether or not water clocks kept accurate time. They built their own clock for the project and demonstration.
McLean County Journal, May 22, 2014
Logan Weimer of Holland, Ohio
During the Holloway Elementary School science fair last week, kids crowded around Logan’s exhibit as he explained how he used veggie power to keep track of time.
“I tried to get an alarm clock to come on with no batteries,” Logan explained, pointing to copper wires and chunks of potato and lemons. Citric acid in the lemon kept the clock working for hours, but the potato “spuddered” out rather quickly.
However, he said he was really happy with his experiment because “if the power goes out, I will get to school on time.”
Toledo Blade, March 22, 2007
Indy Brumbraugh and Cesar Limas of Dade City, Florida
Indy Brumbraugh and Cesar Limas also worked together on their “Clock-o-matic,” an alarm clock that squirts water on those not-so-early risers.
“I wake up late and my mom and dad wake up late, so I was thinking of an idea to wake them up early,” Cesar said.
St. Petersburg Times, December 15, 1999
Tori Clark of Ellis, Kansas
“I didn’t know anything about building,” said senior Tori Clark, the only girl in the class of 14. “I built a clock in (Carroll’s) industrial tech class last year, and he’s a good teacher so I decided to try this.”
It was a good decision, Clark said.
“My dad said he wishes he would have had something like this when he was in school,” she said.
Hays Daily News, December 5, 2010
Plus, here’s an anonymous kid in Kiowa, Colorado who brought an actual inert bomb and wasn’t suspended (his teacher was)
A high school student’s science project was meant to demonstrate how heat is involved in transferring energy. But because the project was an inert bomb, the student and his teacher are taking some heat of their own.
The bomb, made with fertilizer and diesel in a test tube, was displayed last week at a science fair with traditional experiments when an anonymous caller alerted the authorities. The bomb was made with the approval of the 17-year-old student’s teacher.
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The student, whose name officials refused to release, remains in school and will not be disciplined by the school, because he had his teacher’s approval for the project.
 

TerryK

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Here are some pictures of other high school science projects that other kids have brought to school.
How 4 Mexican Immigrant Kids and Their Cheap Robot Beat MIT


http://www.wired.com/2014/12/4-mexican-immigrant-kids-cheap-robot-beat-mit/

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(Note the suitcase full of wires :lol: )
By putting the battery system in the same housing as the onboard electronics, Team Falcon gave its ROV increased mobility and ballast. Faridodin Lajvardi

This is the underwater robot they built
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Later used in a movie.


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Here is a homemade particle accelerator for a science project
This is a young Michio Kaku with the homemade particle accelerator he put together in his parents’ garage for a science fair project in high school. The design earned the theoretical physicist a scholarship to Harvard University.

High School Robotics Science Fair Project
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If you ever go to a statewide science fair you will note a disproportionately large number of minorities now days.
Seems they mostly gravitate towards STEM fields, while traditionally white middle class kids are still building papermache volcanoes. There are exceptions, but the trend should be alarming.
 

night driver

ESFP adrift in INTJ sea
Oh, just to add a little detail:

The "suspicious device" was transported in a regular police car to the station along with the kid, not by EOD in a special transport container to a remote area.

The cops involved knew it wasn't a bomb. A bomb timer, perhaps, but not anything that was in and of itself a threat.

Hence my earlier statement that they made this into a goat rodeo and even screwed THAT up.

Either follow ALL of the GD Protocols and anti-terror TTPs or not, but if you AREN'T following ALL of them and are winging it, don't even TRY to say you were aggressively protecting the school or whatever you are trying to sell TODAY.
 

Heliobas Disciple

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http://www.americanthinker.com/blog...t_guns_versus_scientific_suitcase_clocks.html
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Suspicious Pop-Tart guns versus scientific suitcase clocks

By Jeannie DeAngelis
September 18, 2015

In an effort to assuage what is perceived to be the fragile sensibilities of Muslim-Americans, Barack Obama has once again bowed to political correctness by extending his usual partiality toward an individual based solely on skin color and religion.

This time, the person at the center of the controversy is Ahmed Mohamed. Ahmed is the 14-year-old Sudanese-American aspiring clockmaker who has proven to be bright enough to impress his teachers with his engineering prowess – but apparently not bright enough to know that bringing a homemade digital clock to school with wires snaking out of it, stored inside a suitcase (or briefcase, if you will), isn’t a good idea.

As it turns out, Ahmed is also the son of Sufi Dallas imam Mohamed Elhassan, who once ran for the presidency in Sudan on the platform that, if elected, he would lift sanctions the U.S. imposed on Sudan in the late 1990s because of that nation’s alleged sponsorship of terrorism. Mr. Elhassan was also embroiled in controversy when he acted as a defense attorney on behalf of the Quran when Florida Pastor Terry Jones threatened to burn the Islamic holy book.

Mohamed Elhassan, who calls himself a sheik, now has a son who in his own right has become an overnight social media sensation by managing to register on Barack Obama’s racial injustice radar.

Despite young Ahmed being treated more respectfully than other children half his age who’ve been punished for doing things far less alarming than bringing a suitcase clock to class, in reaction to the school taking routine precautions concerning Ahmed’s science project, the Mohamed family is accusing the Irving, Texas school district of Islamophobia.

One would think that since immigration has swelled the Muslim population in America to 6.2 million, the Mohameds would understand that because Ahmed is one of millions of Allah-loving students presently occupying desks in America’s classrooms, reprimanding their son doesn’t mean he’s being profiled.

Nonetheless, unlike in the case of Tamerlan and Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, who also had an affinity for wiring up and transporting household items, being a Muslim with a digital clock in a suitcase has served Ahmed well.

For starters, Obama, who still hasn’t contacted Kate Steinle’s parents since their daughter was murdered by an illegal alien and felon in San Francisco, tweeted kudos to the studious teen. In the tweet, the would-be horologist got an invitation to bring the ticking timepiece to the same White House that goes into lockdown over suspicious-looking coffee cups.

Above clock-making, Ahmed is being celebrated for his interest in science. As a matter of fact, in his laudatory tweet, President Obama, who also inspires young Iranians to take an interest in nuclear science, commended Mohamed for his technical expertise by implying that kids making clocks that look like suitcase bombs exemplify “what makes America great.”

In addition to Obama’s invite, Ahmed also got a “like” from Facebook’s Mark Zuckerburg, was offered an internship at Twitter, and, after being pictured wearing a NASA t-shirt, was offered a summer scholarship at Space Camp USA in Alabama.

However, what this love fest has yet to reveal is how an all-American kid like Ahmed’s detention for bringing a suspicious-looking suitcase to school may have successfully paved the way for children with Muslim-sounding names to avoid being questioned if, in the future, they too decide to pack a “cool clock” or a pressure cooker into their backpacks.

Moreover, if liking science is an indicator of inspirational greatness, one can’t help but wonder why the president never commended young Josh Welch of Baltimore, Maryland for his exciting artistic expression.

Instead, Josh, the seven-year-old who maintained that his Pop-Tart “gun” was just an attempt to fashion a breakfast food into a mountain range, was suspended from school for two days because, instead of the Grand Tetons, Josh’s creation resembled something that looked like a Glock 19.

If only Josh had made a clock that looked like a Glock, President Obama might have invited him to the White House, too!

Not likely.

Then there’s six-year-old Rodney Lynch, also from Maryland. In 2013, around the time of his run-in with the law, Rodney was a big fan of cartoons. Seems the imaginative Mr. Lynch positioned his thumb and index finger into the shape of an “L.” Rodney’s design did not say “tick-tock” like Ahmed’s, but after molding his fingers into a gun, the tyke was heard uttering the word “Pow!” For that, and to ensure the school’s “sense of safety and security,” Rodney was suspended for a day and has yet to receive a tweet from the president.

There’s also the case of the five-year-old Pennsylvania girl who, in a debate at the bus stop, insisted that princess bubble-blowers are superior to Hello Kitty bubble guns.

When the princess bubble-blower girl suggested that the two friends test their claims by shooting each other with soapsuds, the barely-out-of-diapers five-year-old was accused of making a “terrorist threat,” mandated to attend counseling sessions with a therapist, and suspended for 10 days.

In 2009, an 11-year-old student was arrested, thrown in jail, and charged with a third-degree felony for bringing a plastic butter knife to school. That same year, an eight-year-old Massachusetts boy was mandated to have psychological counseling for drawing a picture of Jesus on the cross while in school.

Not so with Ahmed. After toting a homemade clock that looked like a suitcase bomb to school, the kid is a national hero, and the Irving Independent School District is under fire for investigating the digital clock in a suitcase as a potential threat.

What ever happened to the Janet Napolitano-coined DHS motto “If you see something, say something?”

At the end of the day, this isn’t about a presidential tweet or whether the authorities discriminated against a Muslim kid with an interest in science. The crux of the issue here is why schools’ “zero tolerance” safety policy suddenly has two different standards. Why, in the midst of the War on Terror, should a 14-year-old boy of Middle Eastern descent bringing a ticking circuit board to school in a metal suitcase be exempted from scrutiny?
 

Heliobas Disciple

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While I don't not believe this was a dry run, I do wonder if it was done as a publicity stunt, with the intent of this kid and his father to get him arrested and then make a stink out of it. Because there were so many steps along the way where the kid could have nipped this in the bud, but didn't. I'm thinking more of a big picture thing here; I think 0bama wants to talk to the father, yes. But I also think they need this in the news right now, to counter Trump and his nationalism. A good reminder to all the so far successfully brainwashed girls and boys, women and men, of America, that Islam is a religion of peace. To remind them to say 'how high' when the MSM tells them to jump. Trump threatens that meme by rightfully pointing out the emperor has no clothes and destroying 6 years of their 'hard work'.


http://www.debbieschlussel.com/7978...-how-clock-bomb-a-hoax-or-dry-run/#more-79784
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Ahmed Mohamed: Um, We Know He’s “Not a Muslim Terrorist” . . . How? Clock Bomb a Hoax . . . or Dry Run?
By Debbie Schlussel
September 18, 2015, - 3:58 pm

Are you convinced that Ahmed Mohamed, the teen Muslim who brought a clock–possibly a fake bomb–to school, is not a terrorist? Why? I’m not convinced at all. And was his clock really just a clock or was it a dry run? I guarantee you that this “kid” will now be on law enforcement’s radar and watch list . . . and for good reason, despite the excessive public hand-wringing, cries of “Islamophobia!”, and the rush by Google, Twitter Facebook, and the Obama White House to kiss this guy’s ass.

I’ve said it before many times on this site and in the case of Mohamed, it is yet again true: they tell you that “if you see something, say something,” but then, when you do, no matter how dangerous that something you reported is: you are the villain and nothing but a hysterical “Islamophobic!” bigot. Such is the case with Mohamed. The teachers and officials at his school and the police did everything right here, and yet they are mocked and ridiculed as stupid and ignorant. They’re the ones who should be invited to the White House and praised by Hillary Clinton, not this “poor, persecuted kid” (who is neither poor nor persecuted nor is he just a “kid”).

Yes–I know! I know!–we were told by the media that this was “just an innocent kid;” that he’s “brilliant!” (because he made an amateurish-looking clock or because he has the conventional media butt-snorkeling him after he perpetrated a possible dry run?); and that he was wearing a NASA t-shirt, and kids wearing NASA t-shirts would never ever ever ever ever be terrorists (because there is a mechanism in a NASA t-shirts that prevent all Muslims wearing them from becoming terrorists and blowing up clock bombs?). My how quickly we all forgot that Obama’s NASA chief said the primary mission of NASA is to “reach out” to Muslims. Oh, and we are told that he’s “only 14.” Uh-huh, because everybody knows that no 14-year-old has ever been an Islamic terrorist. There are no 14-year-olds in HAMAS or Hezbollah or ISIS, right? Fourteen-year-olds don’t throw rocks at Israeli soldiers and don’t behead Christians on ISIS videos. That never ever happens. I’m just imagining it. And so are you.

But how do we know that he didn’t get instructions from a nefarious someone asking him to test the reaction at his school if he brought a clock that looked like a possible bomb to school? We know what the reaction is now: all of those kids might have been blown up right away. Or they might have been saved by quick-thinking teachers and administrators who didn’t think about the avalanche of political correctness know-betterism crashing all over them in the media and online. And we know that every single one of these idiots tweeting #IStandWithMohamed on Twitter this week would have been screaming and yelling about teachers and the principal and police had they not done anything and the clock blown up tens or hundreds of children at that school. Sadly, a lot of these idiots a/k/a Hillary and Bernie Glassberg voters, would have still tweeted #IStandWithMohamed had that happened and demanded out “tolerance” for the “Religion of Peace.”

And here’s something nobody’s pointed out: we don’t know that Mohamed didn’t have instructions from someone to do this and test the system or conduct a dry run. While the whole world is whining that Mohamed was “interrogated” by several police officers (as he should have been!), nobody raided the Mohamed house. Nobody seized the Mohamed family computers or took Ahmed Mohamed’s cell phone. They should’ve. But amid the disgusting, ridiculous piling on by the #IStandWithMohamed morons, they didn’t. So, if Mohamed did communicate with terrorists and do this as a way to test the system and/or conduct a dry run, we’ll never know.

But here’s what we do know: Mohamed told police that he made the clock for a “science project assignment.” That was a lie. He’d never had any such assignment. Then, the story changed to his making the clock to impress his science teacher. Right. If this “kid” is as brilliant as we’ve been told, he’d have known that you don’t bring something like this to school. I mean, you don’t have to be Einstein to know that.

We’ve been lectured by this Muslim’s sympathizers that the only reason this happened is that he’s Muslim and his name is Ahmed Mohamed. Really? No, the only reason his home wasn’t raided, his computer and cell phone weren’t seized, and he was invited to the White House, Google, Facebook and Twitter is because he’s Muslim. Anybody else would have been raided, had their crap seized, and still be under investigation. Anybody else’s parents would have been hauled in for questioning, too Anybody else would have been under much more suspicion, to date. Heck, White, non-Muslim kids with lists of students at their schools are arrested and tried for planning Columbine-style massacres based on little other than those lists. But this guy is Muslim, so he gets special treatment in his favor and the overwhelming benefit of the doubt.

We’ll never ever know if Ahmed Mohamed is a terrorist because instead of letting law enforcement officials do a complete and thorough investigation, we tried and acquitted this guy and proclaimed him a national hero . . . all because he’s Muslim.

Anyone who “stands with Mohamed” might have ended up having their legs blown off their torso and straight across the room. But they’re too stupid and knee-jerk in their tears and sympathy for the religion of the 19 hijackers to have a clue.

All the anguish over Mohamed Ahmed, this week, was premature articulation. And, next time, that “clock” might kill a lot of kids.

By the way, I’m sure–before this happened–if a teen carrying a “clock” like this to an Obama appearance showed up, he’d have been tackled by the Secret Service, and the word, “Bomb!” would have been yelled in everyone’s earpiece. Don’t act like this didn’t look like a bomb and wasn’t cause for concern in a school.
 
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