BRKG copilot deliberately crashed plane into mountain - post #44
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Mzkitty
I give up.
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Thomas Cook Airlines announce change in cockpit procedures following Germanwings crash - @itvnews
Daniel Rio Tinto @driotinto 33s33 seconds ago
@easyJet, @Icelandair and @airtransat join @Fly_Norwegian in introducing the 'two-man rule' on the wake of the #Germanwings crash.
Brian Oliu @beoliu 3m3 minutes ago
I had been avoiding reading about #Germanwings because that stuff scares me & now I just did & it's worse than I imagined.
Yup. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Thomas Cook Airlines announce change in cockpit procedures following Germanwings crash - @itvnews
Daniel Rio Tinto @driotinto 33s33 seconds ago
@easyJet, @Icelandair and @airtransat join @Fly_Norwegian in introducing the 'two-man rule' on the wake of the #Germanwings crash.
Brian Oliu @beoliu 3m3 minutes ago
I had been avoiding reading about #Germanwings because that stuff scares me & now I just did & it's worse than I imagined.
Yup. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Bardou
Veteran Member
Exactly! They are escorted out the door usually with 2 security guards. I've seen this happen on more than one occasions working in HR. No way would he get a last flight for being a good guy, or for old times sake. Nope, the guy was pissed about something and he took it out on everyone aboard.
Mzkitty
I give up.
He was a monster.
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Clue: Change your names, find a new country to live in; never be seen in public again. It's for your own good. I would not light a candle for you.
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Photo: Some residents in Montabaur, Germany, light candle in support of Germanwings co-pilot Andreas Lubitz's parents after prosecutors say he intentionally downed the plane into the French Alps - @VSchildkamp
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Buick Electra
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On the other hand, this very well could be a false flag. I know I questioned why there was no mention of military jets the first day of media coverage, because I had read it on various sites. I know for a fact, because I pulled up two articles from BBC and another source that quoted the French Depart of Defense as admitting there was ONE military jet who supposedly was investigating the flight because of lack of communication. And now it is virtually impossible to find that.
Think about it...we are force fed this crazy story and the masses eat it up. Why would the g/f of the co-pilot go to the site if she knew her b/f was complicit?
And why was the 'Code to enter cockpit' not entered by the Captain? So he was locked out. Enter your code!
Could scalar electromagnetic weapons have brought the Germanwings plane down?
Remember....
FIGHTER JETS SEEN! FIGHTER JETS SEEN!
Think about it...we are force fed this crazy story and the masses eat it up. Why would the g/f of the co-pilot go to the site if she knew her b/f was complicit?
And why was the 'Code to enter cockpit' not entered by the Captain? So he was locked out. Enter your code!
Could scalar electromagnetic weapons have brought the Germanwings plane down?
Remember....
FIGHTER JETS SEEN! FIGHTER JETS SEEN!
Mzkitty
I give up.
He deliberately did it. Don't be blaming no false flags, sorry. Are you saying he was a Manchurian Candidate? I'm not buying that.
emeraldrose
Contributing Member
Note to self: On future flights check to see what religion my pilots are before booking
Bardou
Veteran Member
It's a shame she wasn't on board the flight.
bw
Fringe Ranger
The best way to avoid planes piloted by homicidal nutcases is to avoid planes.
brokenwings
Veteran Member
I won't fly EVER again!! I don't fly much anyway but after all this I am done! If people would refuse to fly they would have to do something drastic! Especially if people refused to fly with Muslim pilots OR passengers! We have to make a stand somewhere and I am making a stand.
Mzkitty
I give up.
Alrighty then.
BOOM !!
Andrew Manning @VikesPessimist 3m3 minutes ago
Pilot Andres Lubitz referencing ISIS recruiter Anjem Choudary. #Germanwings
https://twitter.com/VikesPessimist/status/581168735655845888
BOOM !!
Andrew Manning @VikesPessimist 3m3 minutes ago
Pilot Andres Lubitz referencing ISIS recruiter Anjem Choudary. #Germanwings
https://twitter.com/VikesPessimist/status/581168735655845888
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bw
Fringe Ranger
Thought I saw it mentioned. Please give us the specs.
As easy as it is to pick on what parts of the Muslim faith have done (and will do). Part of me cautions that trying to eliminate the whole religion will be distasteful and wrong. For a nation that promotes freedom we should help the peaceful Muslims to eliminate their bad members first. This sounds pollyanish I realize, and it is the harder goal. It needs to be the immediate concern of the peaceful before the weeding out wipes out 80% of their stock. At this point we have Russia and Iran trying to extend their borders and their influence and must be pushed back. Here is my target happy shooting!
Chap
Chap
Be Well
may all be well
That's it.
raven
TB Fanatic
Nice people have made this plea for 1,400 years. There is no evidence of success with this strategy.
Be Well
may all be well
Impossible goal. How many more innocents would be slaugtered by the time that happens? 2 million since 9/11. And Iran is muzzie so it is in the same basket as other muzzies.
The danger to the US of Putin is nothing compared to muzzies, that is, if the administration would quit their a-hole support of Ukraine Nazis and trying to goad Putin into a war.
Be Well
may all be well
You said it better.
reaganchick
Contributing Member
Mzkitty- my German is a bit rusty but his post is saying "in Germany religious feeling have more rights than freedom of speech- this is not my Germany
If this is his post- it's not pro Isis its anti...
If this is his post- it's not pro Isis its anti...
Rescuedog
Inactive
The Muslim faith is inherently vicious and hateful, the Quran preaches the killing of nonbelievers. I am not sorry to say that they all must be eliminated. The Muslim faith has to go to the dust bin of history, it does not allow for peaceful coexistence with other religions.
RD
Yeah I suppose there would be a punch up in the cockpit.
Can pilots lock the cockpit door, should they be able to do so?
Krayola
Veteran Member
Co-pilot 'intentionally' destroyed plane, prosecutor says
AP By LORI HINNANT and DAVID McHUGH
PARIS (AP) — Ignoring the captain's frantic pounding on the door, the co-pilot of the Germanwings jet barricaded himself inside the cockpit and deliberately rammed the plane full speed into the French Alps as passengers screamed in terror, a prosecutor said Thursday.
In a split second, all 150 people aboard were dead.
Andreas Lubitz's "intention (was) to destroy this plane," Marseille prosecutor Brice Robin said, laying out the horrifying conclusions French investigators reached after listening to the final minutes of Tuesday's Flight 9525 from the plane's black box voice data recorder.
German Chancellor Angela Merkel said the conclusions brought the tragedy to a "new, simply incomprehensible dimension."
The prosecutor said there was no indication of terrorism, though he did not say why investigators do not suspect a political motive. The inquiry is instead focusing on the co-pilot's "personal, family and professional environment" to try to determine why he did it, Robin said.
The Airbus A320 was flying from Barcelona to Duesseldorf when it lost radio contact with air traffic controllers and began dropping from its cruising altitude of 38,000 feet. The prosecutor said Lubitz did not say a word as he manually set the plane on an eight-minute descent into the craggy French mountainside that pulverized the plane.
He said the German co-pilot's responses, initially courteous in the first part of the trip, became "curt" when the captain began the mid-flight briefing on the planned landing.
Robin said the pilot, who has not been identified, left the cockpit when the plane reached cruising altitude, presumably to go to the lavatory. Then the 27-year-old co-pilot took control of the jet as requested.
"When he was alone, the co-pilot manipulated the buttons of the flight monitoring system to initiate the aircraft's descent," Robin said.
The pilot knocked several times "without response," the prosecutor said, adding that the cockpit door can only be blocked manually from the inside.
The co-pilot said nothing from the moment the captain left, Robin said. "It was absolute silence in the cockpit."
The A320 is designed with safeguards to allow emergency entry into the cockpit if a pilot inside is unresponsive. But the override code known to the crew does not go into effect — and indeed goes into a lockdown — if the person inside the cockpit specifically denies entry.
During the flight's final minutes, pounding could be heard on the cockpit door as the plane's instrument alarms sounded. But the co-pilot's breathing was calm, Robin said.
"You don't get the impression that there was any particular panic, because the breathing is always the same. The breathing is not panting. It's a classic, human breathing," Robin said.
No distress call ever went out from the cockpit, and the control tower's pleas for a response went unanswered.
Air traffic control cleared the area to allow the plane to make an emergency landing if needed, and asked other planes to try to make contact. The French air force scrambled a fighter jet to try to head off the crash.
Just before the plane hit the mountain, passengers' cries of terror could be heard on the voice recorder.
"The victims realized just at the last moment," Robin said. "We can hear them screaming."
The victims' families "are having a hard time believing it," he added.
Many families visited an Alpine clearing Thursday where French authorities had set up a viewing tent for victims' relatives to look toward the site of the crash, so steep and treacherous that it can only be reached by a long journey on foot or rappelling from a helicopter.
Lubitz's family was in France but was being kept separate from the other families, Robin said.
Helicopters shuttled back and forth form the crash site Thursday, as investigators continued retrieving remains and pieces of the plane, shattered from the high-speed impact of the crash.
The prosecutor's account prompted calls for stricter cockpit rules. Airlines in Europe are not required to have two people in the cockpit at all times, unlike the standard U.S. operating procedure, which was changed after the 9/11 attacks to require a flight attendant to take the spot of a briefly departing pilot.
European budget airlines Norwegian Air Shuttle and EasyJet, as well as Air Canada, announced Thursday that they were adopting new rules requiring two crew members to always be present in the cockpit.
French prosecutors' assertion that this week's air crash was a deliberate act of the co-pilot, points to the possible need for a third pilot in airline cockpits, several aviation safety experts said.
"The flight deck is capable of accommodating three pilots and there shouldn't ever be a situation where there is only one person in the cockpit," said James Hall, a former chairman of the National Transportation Safety Board, referring to the "jump seats" all airliners are equipped with.
Neither the prosecutor nor Lufthansa indicated there was anything the pilot could have done to avoid the crash.
Robin would not give details on the co-pilot's religion or his ethnic background. German authorities were taking charge of the investigation into him.
Lufthansa CEO Carsten Spohr said that before Thursday's shocking revelations, the airline was already "appalled" by what had happened in its low-cost subsidiary.
"I could not have imagined that becoming even worse," he said in Cologne. "We choose our cockpit staff very, very carefully."
Lubitz joined Germanwings in September 2013, directly out of flight school, and had flown 630 hours. Spohr said the airline had no indication why he would have crashed the plane.
Lubitz underwent a regular security check on Jan. 27 and it found nothing untoward, and previous security checks in 2008 and 2010 also showed no issues, the local government in Duesseldorf said.
Lufthansa's chief said Lubitz started training in 2008 and there was a "several-month" gap in his training six years ago. Spohr said he couldn't say what the reason was, but after the break "he not only passed all medical tests but also his flight training, all flying tests and checks."
Robin avoided describing the crash as a suicide.
"Usually, when someone commits suicide, he is alone," he said. "When you are responsible for 150 people at the back, I don't necessarily call that a suicide."
In the German town of Montabaur, acquaintances told The Associated Press that Lubitz appeared normal and happy when they saw him last fall as he renewed his glider pilot's license.
"He was happy he had the job with Germanwings and he was doing well," said a member of the glider club, Peter Ruecker, who watched Lubitz learn to fly. "He gave off a good feeling."
Lubitz had obtained his glider pilot's license as a teenager, and was accepted as a Lufthansa pilot trainee after finishing a tough German college preparatory school, Ruecker said. He described Lubitz as "rather quiet" but friendly.
Lubitz's Facebook page, deleted sometime in the past two days, showed a smiling man in a dark brown jacket posing in front of the Golden Gate Bridge in San Francisco. The Facebook page was restored after the French prosecutor's news conference.
source: http://news.yahoo.com/official-1-pilot-locked-crash-plane-cockpit-072049706.html
AP By LORI HINNANT and DAVID McHUGH
PARIS (AP) — Ignoring the captain's frantic pounding on the door, the co-pilot of the Germanwings jet barricaded himself inside the cockpit and deliberately rammed the plane full speed into the French Alps as passengers screamed in terror, a prosecutor said Thursday.
In a split second, all 150 people aboard were dead.
Andreas Lubitz's "intention (was) to destroy this plane," Marseille prosecutor Brice Robin said, laying out the horrifying conclusions French investigators reached after listening to the final minutes of Tuesday's Flight 9525 from the plane's black box voice data recorder.
German Chancellor Angela Merkel said the conclusions brought the tragedy to a "new, simply incomprehensible dimension."
The prosecutor said there was no indication of terrorism, though he did not say why investigators do not suspect a political motive. The inquiry is instead focusing on the co-pilot's "personal, family and professional environment" to try to determine why he did it, Robin said.
The Airbus A320 was flying from Barcelona to Duesseldorf when it lost radio contact with air traffic controllers and began dropping from its cruising altitude of 38,000 feet. The prosecutor said Lubitz did not say a word as he manually set the plane on an eight-minute descent into the craggy French mountainside that pulverized the plane.
He said the German co-pilot's responses, initially courteous in the first part of the trip, became "curt" when the captain began the mid-flight briefing on the planned landing.
Robin said the pilot, who has not been identified, left the cockpit when the plane reached cruising altitude, presumably to go to the lavatory. Then the 27-year-old co-pilot took control of the jet as requested.
"When he was alone, the co-pilot manipulated the buttons of the flight monitoring system to initiate the aircraft's descent," Robin said.
The pilot knocked several times "without response," the prosecutor said, adding that the cockpit door can only be blocked manually from the inside.
The co-pilot said nothing from the moment the captain left, Robin said. "It was absolute silence in the cockpit."
The A320 is designed with safeguards to allow emergency entry into the cockpit if a pilot inside is unresponsive. But the override code known to the crew does not go into effect — and indeed goes into a lockdown — if the person inside the cockpit specifically denies entry.
During the flight's final minutes, pounding could be heard on the cockpit door as the plane's instrument alarms sounded. But the co-pilot's breathing was calm, Robin said.
"You don't get the impression that there was any particular panic, because the breathing is always the same. The breathing is not panting. It's a classic, human breathing," Robin said.
No distress call ever went out from the cockpit, and the control tower's pleas for a response went unanswered.
Air traffic control cleared the area to allow the plane to make an emergency landing if needed, and asked other planes to try to make contact. The French air force scrambled a fighter jet to try to head off the crash.
Just before the plane hit the mountain, passengers' cries of terror could be heard on the voice recorder.
"The victims realized just at the last moment," Robin said. "We can hear them screaming."
The victims' families "are having a hard time believing it," he added.
Many families visited an Alpine clearing Thursday where French authorities had set up a viewing tent for victims' relatives to look toward the site of the crash, so steep and treacherous that it can only be reached by a long journey on foot or rappelling from a helicopter.
Lubitz's family was in France but was being kept separate from the other families, Robin said.
Helicopters shuttled back and forth form the crash site Thursday, as investigators continued retrieving remains and pieces of the plane, shattered from the high-speed impact of the crash.
The prosecutor's account prompted calls for stricter cockpit rules. Airlines in Europe are not required to have two people in the cockpit at all times, unlike the standard U.S. operating procedure, which was changed after the 9/11 attacks to require a flight attendant to take the spot of a briefly departing pilot.
European budget airlines Norwegian Air Shuttle and EasyJet, as well as Air Canada, announced Thursday that they were adopting new rules requiring two crew members to always be present in the cockpit.
French prosecutors' assertion that this week's air crash was a deliberate act of the co-pilot, points to the possible need for a third pilot in airline cockpits, several aviation safety experts said.
"The flight deck is capable of accommodating three pilots and there shouldn't ever be a situation where there is only one person in the cockpit," said James Hall, a former chairman of the National Transportation Safety Board, referring to the "jump seats" all airliners are equipped with.
Neither the prosecutor nor Lufthansa indicated there was anything the pilot could have done to avoid the crash.
Robin would not give details on the co-pilot's religion or his ethnic background. German authorities were taking charge of the investigation into him.
Lufthansa CEO Carsten Spohr said that before Thursday's shocking revelations, the airline was already "appalled" by what had happened in its low-cost subsidiary.
"I could not have imagined that becoming even worse," he said in Cologne. "We choose our cockpit staff very, very carefully."
Lubitz joined Germanwings in September 2013, directly out of flight school, and had flown 630 hours. Spohr said the airline had no indication why he would have crashed the plane.
Lubitz underwent a regular security check on Jan. 27 and it found nothing untoward, and previous security checks in 2008 and 2010 also showed no issues, the local government in Duesseldorf said.
Lufthansa's chief said Lubitz started training in 2008 and there was a "several-month" gap in his training six years ago. Spohr said he couldn't say what the reason was, but after the break "he not only passed all medical tests but also his flight training, all flying tests and checks."
Robin avoided describing the crash as a suicide.
"Usually, when someone commits suicide, he is alone," he said. "When you are responsible for 150 people at the back, I don't necessarily call that a suicide."
In the German town of Montabaur, acquaintances told The Associated Press that Lubitz appeared normal and happy when they saw him last fall as he renewed his glider pilot's license.
"He was happy he had the job with Germanwings and he was doing well," said a member of the glider club, Peter Ruecker, who watched Lubitz learn to fly. "He gave off a good feeling."
Lubitz had obtained his glider pilot's license as a teenager, and was accepted as a Lufthansa pilot trainee after finishing a tough German college preparatory school, Ruecker said. He described Lubitz as "rather quiet" but friendly.
Lubitz's Facebook page, deleted sometime in the past two days, showed a smiling man in a dark brown jacket posing in front of the Golden Gate Bridge in San Francisco. The Facebook page was restored after the French prosecutor's news conference.
source: http://news.yahoo.com/official-1-pilot-locked-crash-plane-cockpit-072049706.html
FINALLY!! I am SO sick of the term "suicide bomber", as if the only person they kill are themselves. This is a MASS MURDERER. No honor, no glory, just a POS. That's his legacy.
Summerthyme
Ragnarok
On and On, South of Heaven
So, emilys...
Can I start looking behind the bushes, now?
We attempted to eliminate Nazism after WWII... We need to do the same to Islam.
Look if the guy had problems with women and felt inadequate etc etc, why not drive or jump off Beachy Head alone, or better still get pissed, give up his job and find himself, go to Tibet etc it's not too late even at the age of 28.
ainitfunny
Saved, to glorify God.
THIS IS THE SECOND TIME IN 18 months that an airliner pilot had locked the other pilot out after he went to the bathroom and THEN DELIBERATELY CRASHED THE AIRCRAFT!!!!
This just happened on an African Airline in Nov 2013!!!!
The account of this previous incident is WAY down the page at this link: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...gs-plane-crash-Airbus-A320-Barcelonnette.html
So, since it had already happened once before in Africa, THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO EXCUSE for the airline authorities NOT to have taken some measures to prevent the SAME "modus operandi" working for subsequent MURDEROUS AIRLINE PILOTS!!
This just happened on an African Airline in Nov 2013!!!!
The account of this previous incident is WAY down the page at this link: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...gs-plane-crash-Airbus-A320-Barcelonnette.html
So, since it had already happened once before in Africa, THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO EXCUSE for the airline authorities NOT to have taken some measures to prevent the SAME "modus operandi" working for subsequent MURDEROUS AIRLINE PILOTS!!
Ragnarok
On and On, South of Heaven
bw
Fringe Ranger
Because this way he can attach some meaning to his unwillingness to go forward.
MtnGal
Has No Life - Lives on TB
Lilbitsnana
On TB every waking moment
And there is another Islamic reference further down his Facebook page that is also anti-Islamic...he is complaining about Islam on both posts so the jury is still out on whether he was Islamic or not but I am leaning toward possibly not unless the posts were intentionally to deceive....which is always a possibility as well.
Melodi
Disaster Cat
As one of my Irish friends put it, the reason the budget airlines having added the extra person is MONEY; it costs more to have three people in fact Ryan..f...ing Air (as we like to call it, our Irish budget airline) who has a very "colorful" CEO who once suggested pay toilets on planes; actually asked a few years ago why they had to have two pilots, he actually suggested this was a "waste" of money and they could just "cross train" a crew member in emergency landings! Thankfully that idea went nowhere, the EU version of the FAA told him to stuff himself on that one; just like they did on his "standing room only" seating idea he got from China.
This airline was not Ryan F...king Air, but it was another low-budget airline which doesn't mean they didn't inspect their planes or took serious 3rd world risks, but were also not going to do anything not REQUIRED by the EU either and until now, a third person watching the cock pit has not been required as it is in the US. Obviously it wouldn't stop every attack, but it would make it much harder to pull off; especially if air marshals are randomly on flights.
We have a friend who teaches military strategy at Sandhurst Military Academy in the UK (and is a duel citizen of Israel, they were there last week actually) and they posted on facebook how the locked doors were intended to keep terrorists "out" now there has to be a rethink.
This airline was not Ryan F...king Air, but it was another low-budget airline which doesn't mean they didn't inspect their planes or took serious 3rd world risks, but were also not going to do anything not REQUIRED by the EU either and until now, a third person watching the cock pit has not been required as it is in the US. Obviously it wouldn't stop every attack, but it would make it much harder to pull off; especially if air marshals are randomly on flights.
We have a friend who teaches military strategy at Sandhurst Military Academy in the UK (and is a duel citizen of Israel, they were there last week actually) and they posted on facebook how the locked doors were intended to keep terrorists "out" now there has to be a rethink.
JohnGaltfla
#NeverTrump
OK having posted this material, what is your solution.
My understanding, possibly wrong, is that they are not talking a 3rd person/pilot to have to pay on every flight but simply always having 2 people on the flight deck. One of those people could be a Flight Attendant or an Air Marshal, if one happened to be aboard. Much more of a security measure than a "you might have to fly the plane" approach.
BUT...
As others have stated, there is no assurance that this "fill-in" person on the flight deck might not be the one to cause trouble, take-over, be overcome by the other person on the flight deck, etc. There is no perfect solution but the idea does go a ways toward minimizing or eliminating many of the "lone wolf" scenarios.