POL Court: Arizona citizenship proof law illegal

michaelteever

Deceased
Gee, like this is a surprise, wimps. God forbid we actually follow the law as our forefathers actually intended, letting the states have a say in how they govern themselves. Never doubted this decision was forthcoming for a second. This is all about politics which is why I used that preface in the tag line.

Michael

For fair use education/research purposes.

The link: http://news.yahoo.com/court-ariz-citizenship-proof-law-illegal-143112344.html

The article:

Court: Arizona citizenship proof law illegal
By JESSE J. HOLLAND

WASHINGTON (AP) — The Supreme Court ruled Monday that states cannot on their own require would-be voters to prove they are U.S. citizens before using a federal registration system designed to make signing up easier.

The justices voted 7-2 to throw out Arizona's voter-approved requirement that prospective voters document their U.S. citizenship in order to use a registration form produced under the federal "Motor Voter" voter registration law.

Federal law "precludes Arizona from requiring a federal form applicant to submit information beyond that required by the form itself," Justice Antonin Scalia wrote for the court's majority.

The court was considering the legality of Arizona's requirement that prospective voters document their U.S. citizenship in order to use a registration form produced under the federal "motor voter" registration law. The 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals said that the National Voter Registration Act of 1993, which doesn't require such documentation, trumps Arizona's Proposition 200 passed in 2004.

Arizona appealed that decision to the Supreme Court.

"Today's decision sends a strong message that states cannot block their citizens from registering to vote by superimposing burdensome paperwork requirements on top of federal law," said Nina Perales, vice president of litigation for the Mexican American Legal Defense and Educational Fund and lead counsel for the voters who challenged Proposition 200.

"The Supreme Court has affirmed that all U.S. citizens have the right to register to vote using the national postcard, regardless of the state in which they live," she said.

But Tom Caso, a professor at Chapman University School of Law in California, said the decision "opened the door" to noncitizen voting. "The court's decision ignores the clear dictates of the Constitution in favor of bureaucratic red tape," Caso said.

Kathy McKee, who led the push to get the proposition on the ballot in Arizona, said the ruling makes it harder to combat voter fraud, including fraud carried out by people who don't have permission to be in the country. "To even suggest that the honor system works, really?" McKee said. "You have to prove who you are just to use your charge card now."

The case focuses on Arizona, which has tangled frequently with the federal government over immigration issues involving the Mexican border. But it has broader implications because four other states — Alabama, Georgia, Kansas and Tennessee — have similar requirements, and 12 other states are contemplating such legislation.

Justices Clarence Thomas and Samuel Alito dissented from the court's ruling.

The Constitution "authorizes states to determine the qualifications of voters in federal elections, which necessarily includes the related power to determine whether those qualifications are satisfied," Thomas said in his dissent.

Opponents of Arizona's law see it as an attack on vulnerable voter groups such as minorities, immigrants and the elderly. They say they've counted more than 31,000 potentially legal voters in Arizona who easily could have registered before Proposition 200 but were blocked initially by the law in the 20 months after it passed in 2004. They say about 20 percent of those thwarted were Latino.

Barbara Arnwine, president and executive director of the Lawyers' Committee for Civil Rights Under Law, called the decision a victory. "The court has reaffirmed the essential American right to register to vote for federal election without the burdens of state voter suppression measures," she said.

But Arizona officials say they should be able to pass laws to stop illegal immigrants and other noncitizens from getting on their voting rolls. The Arizona voting law was part of a package that also denied some government benefits to illegal immigrants and required Arizonans to show identification before voting.

The federal "motor voter" law, enacted in 1993 to expand voter registration, requires states to offer voter registration when a resident applies for a driver's license or certain benefits. Another provision of that law — the one at issue before the court — requires states to allow would-be voters to fill out mail-in registration cards and swear they are citizens under penalty of perjury, but it doesn't require them to show proof. Under Proposition 200, Arizona officials require an Arizona driver's license issued after 1996, a U.S. birth certificate, a passport or other similar document, or the state will reject the federal registration application form.

While the court was clear in stating that states cannot add additional identification requirements to the federal forms on their own, it was also clear that the same actions can be taken by state governments if they get the approval of the federal government and the federal courts.

Arizona can ask the federal government to include the extra documents as a state-specific requirement, Scalia said, and take any decision made by the government on that request back to court. Other states have already done so, Scalia said.

The Election Assistance Commission "recently approved a state-specific instruction for Louisiana requiring applicants who lack a Louisiana driver's license, ID card or Social Security number to attach additional documentation to the completed federal form," Scalia said.

Currently, the Election Assistance Commission doesn't have any active commissioners. The four commissioners are supposed to be nominated by the president and confirmed by the Senate. The last two commissioners, Donetta L. Davidson and Gineen Bresso, left in 2011, according to the EAC website.

"The notion that the court will not enforce the Constitution unless you first apply to a commission that cannot act because it has no members is mind boggling," Caso said.

Voting rights advocates immediately called on future EAC commissioners to reject any requests to add identification documents to the federal voter registration form.

"Federal law already provides enough protection, and states should not be unduly burdening eligible citizens who want to register to vote," Advancement Project Co-Director Penda D. Hair said.

The case is 12-71, Arizona v. Inter Tribal Council of Arizona, Inc.
 

bbbuddy

DEPLORABLE ME
Proof positive that we have been sold out by all 3 branches of .gov

There really is only one recourse left to us.

Just like in the 1700's. The problem is we have allowed "them" to balkanize us.
 

tanstaafl

Has No Life - Lives on TB
I'm a little surprised that no one has mentioned one of the other five cases that was decided by the Supreme Court. Especially since this one flatly opposes the "keep your mouth SHUT when being questioned by the police!" advice regularly given by some TB2Kers.

"Held 5-4 that prosecutors in some instances may use a suspect's silence at an early stage of a criminal investigation against him — before the suspect has been arrested or informed of his constitutional rights."
http://www.oregonlive.com/today/index.ssf/2013/06/us_supreme_court_roundup_arizo.html#incart_river
 

Night Breeze

Veteran Member
I looked at the motor voter registration and it asked two questions that are pertinent to illegals voting. Are you a United States Citizen Yes or No. If Arizona would make it a felony punishable by 20 years at hard labor for conviction of making false statements illegals might think twice about it but I guess the American Civil Liberty Union would appeal to the Supreme Court and get it overthrown
 

rhughe13

Heart of Dixie
If there are no volunteers working the booths for federal elections, I'd say they won't get too many votes from the new illegal majority.
 

pete5555

Membership Revoked
this draconian action by the court proves that america has ended and been destroyed. without any proof for voting whats to stop the democrats from letting millions upon millions to vote. and vote white citizens into servitude
 

naturallysweet

Has No Life - Lives on TB
If there are no volunteers working the booths for federal elections, I'd say they won't get too many votes from the new illegal majority.

In some states, such as Oregon, it's a mail in ballot. Anyone can register, legal or illegal. I could register my dogs and they would get a ballot. Our state is lost.
 

Night Owl

Veteran Member
years ago my Mother had her wallet with AZ I.D's taken at her senior community apt. I reported to police, her community administrator and to DES for her Social security and to AZ MVD for her Arizona I.D. She needed for air travel & I.D. since she was already 87 yrs old and could no longer drive. They said, just go online and click on her name and form of payment for a $2.00 charge and get a new card & voters I.D card would be sent out in 7-10 days....HA. Wonder how many AZ. I.D. Cards & voter registration cards have been requested in her name since then, since you don't have to show proof of who you are or that the Visa Charge card is not in the missing card owners name, just go online and reapply for a replacement. Makes me feel warm all over that my Mother I.D's could be responsible for voting numerous times in the last 2 elections.
 

rhughe13

Heart of Dixie
In some states, such as Oregon, it's a mail in ballot. Anyone can register, legal or illegal. I could register my dogs and they would get a ballot. Our state is lost.

Or maybe would could all vote so many times, that it throws the system into a tail spin. Meet my family of 10,000 kids. A1, A2, A3, A4, A5 ... R2D2
 

Seeker

3 Bombs for Hawkins
Bump, just because it seems to be ignored unless someone else posts em...

Keep the faith, michael, this IS NOT over. Az Atty General Tom Horne was on local talker radio this a.m. and stated p. 15 of the Justices' decision defines a pathway to bring back this issue and his office is going to act upon it within the next few days. It involves an appeal and he says they are ready to go.
 

night driver

ESFP adrift in INTJ sea
this draconian action by the court proves that america has ended and been destroyed. without any proof for voting whats to stop the democrats from letting millions upon millions to vote. and vote white citizens into servitude

Did ya even READ the reasoning????

It's actually valid...

The folks who set the rules for FEDERAL ELECTIONS are NOT STATES.

Do I agree that one should be able to vote without being a citizen? NO.

But it is not in the purview of a state to set the registration rules for federal elections...

Come on lets read the actual reasoning, not what we think it might have been.
 

Grammytomany

Inactive
this draconian action by the court proves that america has ended and been destroyed. without any proof for voting whats to stop the democrats from letting millions upon millions to vote. and vote white citizens into servitude

Exactly what they want. Destroy our U.S. Constitution and Bill of Rights. No vote would ever be honest after these types of shenanegins.
 

night driver

ESFP adrift in INTJ sea
Ah, ma'am, while I believe the reasoning to be valid (see my post) I certainly dislike the CURRENT EFFECT that the reasoning has. Again, it ain't up to the STATE to set the qualifications of electors for federal elections...unfortunately.
 

Seeker

3 Bombs for Hawkins
Ah, ma'am, while I believe the reasoning to be valid (see my post) I certainly dislike the CURRENT EFFECT that the reasoning has. Again, it ain't up to the STATE to set the qualifications of electors for federal elections...unfortunately.

NightDriver, I believe the basis for the appeal may be founded on the fact that the state has a constitutional right/obligation to VERIFY that the federal qualifications are being met. It may hang upon a definition of a word now. . .
 

Dobbin

Faithful Steed
Why bother having a vote? Just drop the postage paid ballots from airplanes over Mexico and let them mail them. And while they're at it they can apply for EBT, mortgage assistance, and a cellphone.

Giving away the store...

Dobbin
 

Publius

On TB every waking moment
So if thats the case then the real ID thing should be dead also and no one should jump threw so many hoops proving who they are just to renew a driver license. Where in the constitution does it say we must prove who you are in-order to use the constitutional right to travel? Where does it say you must show a proper government approved ID in-order to enter a court house or town hall or any other government building?
 

Libbybear

Inactive
Supreme Court Tells Arizona To Ask Obama’s Permission

The States of Texas can require “proof of citizenship” to apply for or renew your drivers license, but Arizona cannot ask for “proof of citizenship” to register to vote. Yes, I know it sounds as confusing at it is maddening. What else would you expect from this mixed up bunch of lawyers running the country. Furthermore, the US Supreme Court, yesterday ruled in favor of the challengers to the Arizona’ Proposition 200 voter I.D. law and found that the state had overstepped its authority by requiring “proof of citizenship” to register to vote in US elections.

The 1993 “National Voter Registration “Motor Voter” Act” established an honor system for federal voter registration tied to driver license applications and renewals. Federal law provides all applicants for Driver Licenses or renewals—in all states—must be offered a “mail -in” voter registration card. Proper I.D. is required, by law, to do business with all state driver licenses issuing authorities as a pre-requisite for receiving your voter registration card, but federal law does not require “proof of citizenship” to register to vote.

The US Constitution provides the federal government broad authority over states regarding election law.

Federal law allows anyone to register to vote by swearing to be a US citizen—simply checking a box on the federal registration form—under penalty of perjury. Yesterday’s Supreme Court ruling upheld that authority.

Unfortunately, perjury is a rarely prosecuted crime at the federal level.

Some states require “proof of citizenship” for D.L. applications and re-newels. Some states do not. In addition, some states (Utah for one) will take a Matricula card issued by the Mexican government as proper ID as they allow non-citizens to drive “conditionally” in their state.

Arizona taxpayers were burned by Arizona lawmakers who failed to perform their due diligence. Federal taxpayers picked up a lot of the cost since the Justice Department had a hand in assisting “The League of Woman voters of Arizona, the “Mexican American Legal Defense Fund” and Arizona Indian Tribes—all tax exempt organizations—in their challenge to Arizona’s “proof of citizenship” voter registration requirement.

Two weeks ago, a sixty something Vietnam veteran was required to show “proof of citizenship” to renew his 30 year old Texas driver license (which has required fingerprint ID for over a decade). He got it all straightened out by bringing his Social Security card, his passport and his DD-14. He also filled out his voter registration card and checked the box on the federal form swearing he was a US citizen eligible to vote. I rather wish I were there to see and hear that.

Arizona could have saved us all a great deal of money and valued Supreme Court Justice hearing and deliberation time if they had simply copied the laws on the books from any number of states that require “proof of citizenship” to be granted the privilege to drive and by law being offered a federal voter registration mail-in card like they do in Texas.

Texas requires “proof of citizenship” as identification in state driver’s license applications and re-newels. According to the Vietnam Veteran, I mentioned earlier Texas “proof of citizenship” requires a valid Social Security Card and a valid Passport.

Justice Scalia, who authored the majority opinion, with Justices Thomas and Alito dissenting, ruled that the states could not add additional voter registration requirements over current federal laws without permission of the federal government or courts. I cannot say for sure what the Arizona State Constitution or statutes allows for drivers license I.D. laws, but Justice Scalia provided its state’s Attorneys with the proper procedure to petition the Federal Election Assistance Commission for a change in Arizona’s voter registration identification standards. According to Scalia, if the commission denies Arizona’s request, the state can take the federal government back to a lower Federal Court to ask for relief.

Here is the rub.

Since 2011—the year the last two commissioners resigned—the Federal Election Assistance Commission (FEAC) has not been able to seat more commissioners. The President is responsible for FEAC commissioner nominations, which the Senate must confirm. Just like Federal Immigration Judgeships that remain vacant and awaiting Obama nominations.

Since there was a Democratic controlled House, Senate and President from 2008 through 2010 my gut tells me that Obama and his allies, then House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, may have purposely avoided their obligation to staff this election law assistance program provided by the federal government. Now why would they do that?

Perhaps someone should be asking John Boehner and Mitch McConnell this question. After all what is more important election integrity or immigration reform?

I applaud Arizona’s efforts to control voter fraud. Now, could someone call Jan Brewer and tell her Texas already figured it out.

http://lastresistance.com/2369/supreme-court-tells-arizona-to-ask-obamas-permission/
 
Yup, makes perfect sense that you can't ask a likely illegal if they're legal - since that question has been declared illegal.

Anyone confused? Just ask an illegal...in Spanish or Spanglish.
 
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