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TerryK said:

So many folks just couldn't bring themselves to vote for the lessor of two evils during the last election.
The lessor of two evils would have stopped Obamacare from being implemented.
Now that the greater of two evils has won, those same folks will be forced to live, or maybe die, with Obamacare.
The really bad effects of Obamacare haven't even kicked in yet and the same people who just couldn't vote bring themselves to vote are already screaming.

Its like having to chose whether to get shot with a BB gun or a 12 gauge, and saying "getting shot is getting shot, I refuse to chose"
Well now the choice has been made for you by others who didn't refuse to choose.
Welcome to the world you chose by "refusing to choose".
Being really stupid, should really hurt, and the real hurt is just getting started.

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Total agreement----problem is, those of us who were "practical" enough to see the train-wreck coming up ahead are going to "hurt" right along with the lily-white all-or-nothing "purists"---they sawed off the branch we were ALL sitting on...

TerryK said:

It wasn't me who elected Obama.
It was people who voted for him, or voted for someone who had no chance of winning, or didn't vote at all, who elected Barack Obama.
It is these same people who made sure we got Obamacare with absolutely no chance of repeal.

Mountain, I can understand your thinking that we might as well get it over with and get the collapse started now instead of later, but then that's pretty easy to say when you're living in India.

To those who didn't vote, I would say that life is full of choices. The choices are not always between black and white. Sometimes people DO have to choose between two choices, neither of which are good, but one of which is better than the other.
That's real life. People who haven't yet learned to recognize that are like little children who haven't yet learned to face reality and are still living in fantasy land.

Our country is like a person with a cancer. You can either go to Dr Obama/Kavorkian who has a 100% fatality rate, or Dr Romney who has a less than 40% long term cure rate, or Dr Paul who pushes Apricot pit therapy in a Mexican clinic with no documented cure rate, or you can go sit home and refuse to believe you have cancer.
Not voting is like sitting home and refusing to believe you have cancer. Either way you play right into Dr Obama/Kevorkian's plan.

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I heard--and still hear---a lot of folks on this forum saying, "oh, we COULDN'T vote for 'xxx", because 'the lesser of 2 evils is STILL evil' "; but somehow those same people can't seem to see that what they actually DID do is that they DID (repeat DID) vote FOR EVIL---by casting a vote they KNEW would probably result in O's re-election.

Then they try to justify that in 2 ways---either by saying, well, at least I didn't vote (directly) for anyone 'evil' ", OR they say, "Well, it's actually a GOOD thing that the truly EVIL man did get elected, because then everyone will see the light and revolt and our country will go back to being the paradise it was in (name your date---1776, 1950's, per-Civil War, whatever)."

WHAT are you folks DRINKING?

Look around you---look at the sheer NUMBERS of gibsmedats, illegal aliens, and clueless Demoncrats, along with the (bless them) overly-trusting and totally uninformed elderly remnants of the WWII generation who think all Democrats are still like Roosevelt (and see him as a savior, not the closet Socialist he was as well)----and TELL ME HOW IT IS you think that THESE people---who VASTLY outnumber those of us who "get it"---are EVER going to "see the light", much less "revolt"???? Heck no, THEY are the sheep that will simply keep believing whatever the chocolate messiah tells them, all the way to the cliff, the shearing floor, and the butchering house right behind it.

That kind of thinking is akin to thinking, "Well, if we just let the DEVIL win, why----of course EVERYONE will SEE how bad the DEVIL is and will rise up and fight him"---but don't you see, can't you see, that by just LETTING the "DEVIL" win---you have ALLIED yourselves with him--or at least ENABLED him???

"He who is not against us is for us", Jesus said at one point----but remember this applies to Jesus' enemy, SATAN, as well.

By "allowing" a Satanic man to win---by WHATEVER means he did so, and by WHATEVER justification you give it---you gave AID to SATAN to get his man in there----so this "lesser of 2 evils" stuff doesn't even apply, for in this case INACTION = SUPPORT for the DEVIL'S candidate---and "he who is not against us is for us" works BOTH ways---for SATAN as well as for Jesus.

The very thing you purists are accusing "us" pragmatists of---of compromising with the enemy---is in actuality what you HAVE done---in spades---by your INACTION that allowed this evil man to win.

Remember the old saw about pointing fingers?

Better check in which direction your other 3 fingers are pointing...

And another brainwashed sheep speaks....

Dennis Olson said:

I'm going to jump in as spelingg poleese for a moment.

"Lessor" is someone who leases something

"Lesser" is not greater. (Or is it greator? )

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Maybe a faux pas, but brilliant in it's understanding of how the political system really works - with all of the PACs and Lobbyists, ya' know! With presidential term limits, the campaign funding really does seem to be little more than a lease, doesn't it?

Countrymouse said:

By "allowing" a Satanic man to win---by WHATEVER means he did so, and by WHATEVER justification you give it---you gave AID to SATAN to get his man in there----so this "lesser of 2 evils" stuff doesn't even apply, for in this case INACTION = SUPPORT

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So, what you really are saying is that those of us who voted for "None Of The Above" are not to blame, but those who sat in their homes and did not vote are who are really to blame?

I can readily agree to that! Some of the biggest whiners about this impending mess (my family members) are the ones who didn't vote, saying that their votes didn't matter in an electoral college system - oh, and they say the votes wouldn't be counted correctly anyway.

If you did NOTHING TO DEFEAT Obama, YOU HELPED THAT SATANIC B****** WIN.

period.

If it were simply about winners and losers (what TPTB desperately want everyone to buy-in to), then you'd be correct CM. But in reality, it's about what's best for the country. If one is rational enough to look at it from THAT POV, it all becomes very clear. But of course, you and your ilk have consistently proven that you'll never be able to be rational about politics. You simply emote, and TPTB count on that. They OWN you, and you love it that way. Sheep.

Dennis---

If a wild animal is attacking my children, and I don't have the right kind of bullets to go in my gun, am I just going to stand there and do NOTHING to fight him? Just gonna let him attack them & win, because I didn't have the "right" weapon to use against him?

If all I have to fight with is just a STICK, or just my BARE HANDS, I am GOING TO FIGHT, no matter HOW poor the tools I have to fight with are.

But I am NOT just going to stand there and bemoan the lack of the perfect, "right" tool--and let that wild animal attack my children.


A wild animal has attacked our country.

I will fight him ANY way I can.

But I will SURE AS H not just stand here and do nothing because I didn't have the "perfect" tool to fight him with.

Your analogy is inaccurate.

I have learned nothing from this thread.

RCSAR said:

I have learned nothing from this thread.

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You should have learned that I like to vote for third party candidates if I feel "The Big Two Offerings" are not worthy of my vote. Even if some here feel that my vote directly contributed to the election of a distasteful candidate, at least my dissent is on record. I will not hide behind a second rate candidate - no matter which party fields him (or her, or it).

RCSAR said:

I have learned nothing from this thread.

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I'm afraid the reason for that is because like everything else the current administration does, we don't know the gory details until it's too late to act. I believe that's part of their modus operandi. Your best bet is to contact a sympathetic congressperson [if there is such a thing] or to find a local physician who has done his/her homework and is willing to educate you. Don't look to government or medical organizations as the former is withholding information while the latter is scurrying to catch up and need to look out for themselves as well as their patients, if so inclined.

This is what happens when Congress passes a law with thousands of pages and doesn't provide time for lawmakers to read it or allow opposition groups to call hearings to slow down the process or prevent passage altogether. That ship sailed three plus years ago.

You're not alone - We too are struggling to get ahead of this but that apparently is not a priority for those who thrust it upon us.

shinerbock said:

I'm afraid the reason for that is because like everything else the current administration does, we don't know the gory details until it's too late to act. I believe that's part of their modus operandi. Your best bet is to contact a sympathetic congressperson [if there is such a thing] or to find a local physician who has done his/her homework and is willing to educate you. Don't look to government or medical organizations as the former is withholding information while the latter is scurrying to catch up and need to look out for themselves as well as their patients, if so inclined.

This is what happens when Congress passes a law with thousands of pages and doesn't provide time for lawmakers to read it or allow opposition groups to call hearings to slow down the process or prevent passage altogether. That ship sailed three plus years ago.

You're not alone - We too are struggling to get ahead of this but that apparently is not a priority for those who thrust it upon us.

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plus a law gets passed in one form often vague and a bit openended on key points... then regulations are written to implement the law. THAT is where the tyranny flows, as the regulators put THEIR interpretations into the law for actual enforced implementation. The bureaucracy of regulators is the d i c t a t o r s h i p and g e s t a p o of this country

This thread discusses one of the most important topics of the last few years. It is all about the beast government(s) gaining more control over people. Obama did not get into power without the intentional assistance of the money wielders (who also own the news media). They set the agenda and Romney was all too willing to John McCain the controlled opposition.

This "insurance" scam is designed to FORCE people into some narrow choices like slatted rails in a slaughter yard. If you think you need to have insurance and that you need to have a job, then you are already programmed to walk the green mile. This whole thing may mean prison for me and loss of everything I have- up to my life. They will force consent- Harry Reid style- with the voluntary tax system as they get your endorsement of their choices, supported by your voluntary taxes.

I have been trying to prepare my family to think along lines of living on the street when the time comes. Taking any handouts from government will tie you into their evil. If I die, so what? I hope that I will at least die standing.

LightEcho said:

This thread discusses one of the most important topics of the last few years. It is all about the beast government(s) gaining more control over people. Obama did not get into power without the intentional assistance of the money wielders (who also own the news media). They set the agenda and Romney was all too willing to John McCain the controlled opposition.

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The reason Obama got elected is so simple, yet everyone wants to make a conspiracy about it. More people voted for Obama that Romney. It really is just that simple.
Did he have the media on his side? Yep, he sure did. Were they there because of the "money wielders"? Not hardly. Just talk to 95% of the media, from the reporters on the street to the execs in the boardroom. They really, really DO believe all that liberal bullshit. From the bottom of whatever soul they have, they believe it. Their support helped, but the fact of the matter is, there are just too many people who wanted Obama to get elected. They agree with him!

This "insurance" scam is designed to FORCE people into some narrow choices like slatted rails in a slaughter yard. If you think you need to have insurance and that you need to have a job, then you are already programmed to walk the green mile. This whole thing may mean prison for me and loss of everything I have- up to my life. They will force consent- Harry Reid style- with the voluntary tax system as they get your endorsement of their choices, supported by your voluntary taxes.

I have been trying to prepare my family to think along lines of living on the street when the time comes. Taking any handouts from government will tie you into their evil. If I die, so what? I hope that I will at least die standing.

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Best of luck to you, and I mean that.
You personally may be willing to sacrifice your life to resist, but are you really willing to sacrifice your family's lives?
Most people are not, and that is what the government is counting on. It's always worked for them at least 95% of the time in the past and will probably work this time around.
It hurts to see people like yourself reduced to feeling the way you are now, like you have no where left to turn.
For that, and for the pain and destruction Obama is inflicting on this country and millions of good people, may his soul rot in hell for all eternity.

TerryK said:

The reason Obama got elected is so simple, yet everyone wants to make a conspiracy about it. More people voted for Obama that Romney. It really is just that simple.
Did he have the media on his side? Yep, he sure did. Were they there because of the "money wielders"? Not hardly. Just talk to 95% of the media, from the reporters on the street to the execs in the boardroom. They really, really DO believe all that liberal bullshit. From the bottom of whatever soul they have, they believe it. Their support helped, but the fact of the matter is, there are just too many people who wanted Obama to get elected. They agree with him!

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Mind control. Most people are stupid. Elections don't matter when there is no way to assure correct counts anyway.

Best of luck to you, and I mean that.
You personally may be willing to sacrifice your life to resist, but are you really willing to sacrifice your family's lives?
Most people are not, and that is what the government is counting on. It's always worked for them at least 95% of the time in the past and will probably work this time around.
It hurts to see people like yourself reduced to feeling the way you are now, like you have no where left to turn.
For that, and for the pain and destruction Obama is inflicting on this country and millions of good people, may his soul rot in hell for all eternity.

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My family & I would prefer to be killed by these beasts than submit to their tyranny. We prefer to be martyrs than be fed for one more day because we took the mark of the beast. Too many people today think that they can march into the camps for food and leave freely. Submitting to slavery in these last days will include eternal bondage.

Look I'm an Australian. Back home doctors can be waiting for a long time to get paid from the government on government insurance. So some doctors can't afford the wait and close shop etc.

China Connection said:

Look I'm an Australian. Back home doctors can be waiting for a long time to get paid from the government on government insurance. So some doctors can't afford the wait and close shop etc.

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Already happening here. Several people have posted that their doc is going to 'retire'.

Wait. It will be a landslide soon. A bunch of doctors rolling down the mountain.

I don't know about anyone else, but I keep hearing that the IRS thing is going to show that Mussobama stole the election through intimidation. If the weak kneed Pubbies can keep it together that is.