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the watcher

Inactive
May 20, 2013
WASHINGTON - Treasury Secretary Jacob Lew said late Monday he will begin tapping into two government employee retirement funds to buy more time before the U.S. Treasury is faced with the prospect of defaulting on the national debt.

In a letter to congressional leaders, Lew said that he would tap the civil service retirement and disability fund and a similar fund that covers retired postal workers. The law allows him to remove investments from these funds to clear room for more borrowing until Congress votes to raise the debt limit

Under the law, any investments diverted from the pension funds must be replaced with interest once Congress approves raising the debt limit.

Lew has said the various bookkeeping measures he is allowed to employ should provide enough maneuvering room to keep the government from defaulting on its debt until after Labor Day. Other estimates say Lew may be able to forestall a default until as late as November.
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In January, Congress voted to temporarily suspend the debt limit but that suspension ended (last 5/19/13) Sunday.

Before the suspension, the debt limit stood at $16.4 trillion. The government has borrowed $300 billion since the suspension took effect. On Sunday, the debt limit reset at the higher level of $16.7 trillion.

The government has run annual deficits of more than $1 trillion for the past four years. But the Congressional Budget Office last week estimated that this year's deficit will drop to $643 billion, an improvement that reflects increased revenue from a stronger economy and the effect of tax increases that took effect in January.

Republicans want to reduce future deficits by cutting back on spending. Democrats have proposed a mix of spending cuts and tax increases, which Republicans oppose. The dispute has led to the current budget impasse.

A standoff over budget issues in August 2011 pushed the country close to its first-ever default before President Barack Obama and Republicans reached a last-minute compromise. That battle prompted Standard & Poor's to issue the first-ever downgrade on long-term Treasury debt. The administration has vowed to prevent Republicans from using the need to raise the borrowing limit as leverage in the current budget battle.

"I respectfully urge Congress to protect America's good credit and avoid the potentially catastrophic consequences of failing to act by increasing the debt limit in a timely fashion," Lew said in his Monday letter.
http://www.startribune.com/business/208236701.html?refer=y

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Oh did anyone see this? Boenher through a hissy fit because they bumped China down to third on the priority list. First is SS, then military, then China..
House passes ‘Pay China First’ Act
The Republican-controlled United States House of Representatives approved a bill on Thursday that would require the government to begin paying back foreign nations before spending funds on domestic items.

House Resolution 807, The Full Faith and Credit Act, mandates rules to go into effect should Congress fail to raise the country’s borrowing limit and the debt ceiling is reached.

If signed into law, the bill would outline an order in which the US would be required to pay off its debts: first people on Social Security and holders of US bonds would be compensated, and then items like Medicare and military benefits would be dealt with.

Because the government would have to settle up its debt with bond holders first, foreign nations — particularly China — would be the first to receive payment in theory. Opponents of the bill has thus labeled HR 807 the “Pay China First Act,” a moniker that House Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio) didn’t disagree with in an interview just days before it was passed.

“Those who have loaned us money, like in any other proceeding, if you will, court proceeding, the bondholders usually get paid first. Same thing here,” Boehner told Bloomberg TV host Peter Cook on Tuesday.

“Our goal here is to get ourselves on a sustainable path from a fiscal standpoint,” Boehner said. “I think doing a debt prioritization bill makes it clear to our bondholders that we’re going to meet our obligations.”

But although a handful of Democrats in the House agreed to advance the bill, the largely left-leaning Senate is expected to shoot down the act when it arrives for discussion shortly. Additionally, the White House has warned that US President Barack Obama will veto the bill should it make it out of Congress and end up in the Oval Office.

In a statement issued earlier this week, the White House wrote that the administration opposes HR 807 because it would result in Congress refusing to pay some obligations it has already agreed to, instead prioritizing payments in a way that won’t favor the American people.

“American families do not get to choose which bills to pay and which ones not to pay, and the United States Congress cannot either without putting the Nation into default for the first time in its history,” the White House wrote. “This bill would threaten the full faith and credit of the United States, cost American jobs, hurt businesses of all sizes, and do damage to the economy.”

Both the White House and Senate democrats have condemned the bill because national security and veteran benefits would be put on the backburner in lieu of compensating China, who held roughly 8 percent of the money borrowed by the US government as of last September.

The House approved the act by a vote of 221-207. Congress has until around October to discuss how to pay the country’s bills — at which point it is expected to hit its borrowing limit.
http://www.thedailysheeple.com/house-passes-pay-china-first-act_052013
 

the watcher

Inactive
When I hear MSM spouting "the economy is recovering" by quoting bogus facts, I know we're getting close to the edge.
 

fairbanksb

Freedom Isn't Free
The Star Tribune needs a better editor. The headline say he has begun, but the contents says he will begin. Present and future tense, but education is different today so maybe those words mean the same thing now.
 

Oilpatch Hand

3-Bomb General, TB2K Army
Shaking head....They are taking $$ from a bankrupt postal service????

Well, not exactly. They're borrowing it from the postal workers' pension fund, which is liquid because the Postal Service, by law, has to prepay those obligations. In fact, that's part of the reason the Postal Service itself is broke: it's required to fund retirement obligations in advance, thereby leaving little for operations.

So, not only is the Postal Service being drained of operating funds by the pension funding requirements, now the Secretary of the Treasury is raiding the pension fund of those same monies, and he's financing the day-to-day fedgov operations with it.

If I was a postal retiree, I'd be kinda angry right about now.
 

the watcher

Inactive
Om a CBS site that had this article, though it was incredibly dumbed down for the general public with no details, Lew stated through extraordinary measures, this would last until Labor Day. But it didn't have an typos on it.
I think this vid about says it all. Ragged and failing.
 

nomifyle

TB Fanatic
Well, not exactly. They're borrowing it from the postal workers' pension fund, which is liquid because the Postal Service, by law, has to prepay those obligations. In fact, that's part of the reason the Postal Service itself is broke: it's required to fund retirement obligations in advance, thereby leaving little for operations.

So, not only is the Postal Service being drained of operating funds by the pension funding requirements, now the Secretary of the Treasury is raiding the pension fund of those same monies, and he's financing the day-to-day fedgov operations with it.

If I was a postal retiree, I'd be kinda angry right about now.

It makes sense, the postal pension actually has money to raid. Worthless pieces of shit.

Judy
 

Dozdoats

Deceased
Lew said that he would tap the civil service retirement and disability fund and a similar fund that covers retired postal workers

Hey, it ain't just the postal people. The civil service retirement/disability fund is where my pension comes from. As long as it lasts, of course...
 

Dare7

Inactive
Yep, CSRS & FERS are both getting raided. Contributing to the plans is not optional. The TSP (federal 401k) has been on restriction for a couple of years now as far as participants moving their funds around UNLESS it's into US bonds!

It's not just postal employees' retirement - every fed/fed retiree is paying or has paid into one or the other of the first two named above. When I say every fed I mean all of us - they are raiding the same accounts where the congress retirement funds are held. Yes, DozDoats, TPTB make mandatory contributions, too, at a higher percentage of pay than most regular employees.
 

naturallysweet

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Well, not exactly. They're borrowing it from the postal workers' pension fund, which is liquid because the Postal Service, by law, has to prepay those obligations. In fact, that's part of the reason the Postal Service itself is broke: it's required to fund retirement obligations in advance, thereby leaving little for operations.

So, not only is the Postal Service being drained of operating funds by the pension funding requirements, now the Secretary of the Treasury is raiding the pension fund of those same monies, and he's financing the day-to-day fedgov operations with it.

If I was a postal retiree, I'd be kinda angry right about now.

So you believe that the Postal service shouldn't put any money away, for the retirement that they have promised to people working today? The left has put out a lie that they have to fund pensions for people who aren't born yet, but that was proven wrong withing minutes. They are supposed to have an outlook for the needs of the post office for the next 75 years, but only have to put $$$ for pensions for people who are working now.

I'd hate to work for a company or government who thought that it was okay to put nothing away for my retirement, but then would magically have to find the money when I retired. That was the plan that the Postal system was operating on, before Congress intervened.

If they can't pay for their promises, they shouldn't make them. It's unethical to make promises to people, and hope that someone else will make good on them in the future.
 

Parakeet

Senior Member
So you believe that the Postal service shouldn't put any money away, for the retirement that they have promised to people working today? The left has put out a lie that they have to fund pensions for people who aren't born yet, but that was proven wrong withing minutes. They are supposed to have an outlook for the needs of the post office for the next 75 years, but only have to put $$$ for pensions for people who are working now.

I'd hate to work for a company or government who thought that it was okay to put nothing away for my retirement, but then would magically have to find the money when I retired. That was the plan that the Postal system was operating on, before Congress intervened.

If they can't pay for their promises, they shouldn't make them. It's unethical to make promises to people, and hope that someone else will make good on them in the future.

http://minotdailynews.com/page/content.detail/id/573680/Saving-the-Postal-Service.html?nav=5008

The U.S. Postal Service has problems and issues, however the problem is not financial, it is congressional. By that I mean, in 2006 Congress passed legislation to force the Postal Service to pre-fund retiree health benefits for future retirees for the next 75 years within a 10 year window.

So, the USPS is required, by law, to pre-fund retiree health benefits for employees that don't even work there yet. I don't know any business that can afford to do that.
 

Wild-T2

Veteran Member
"It's unethical to make promises to people"

Ethical???? What the he!! does that mean? What part of `By any means possible' don't you understand? Ethics is not to be practiced now, unless you would like to be visited by, oh you know, some the alphabet agency..........I truley believe this country has crossed the Rubicon, what is going on now is surreal...what's next?
 

Bicycle Junkie

Resident dissident and troll
Why pick on postal workers? If Treasury is going to use gov't employee pension funds to finance gov't operations they should use the congressional pension fund.
 

ainitfunny

Saved, to glorify God.
Doesn't ANYBODY here "get it?"

Our legislators have been forced to sit down and decide WHO will be paid first. THAT MEANS WE ARE IMMINENTLY on the threshhold of DEFAULT of our other US obligations!


What does it MEAN in YOUR HOUSEHOLD when you and the missus sit down to the table to decide WHICH BILLS YOU ARE GOING TO PAY???

It means QUITE LIKELY there is NOT ENOUGH MONEY to pay everything you are obligated to pay. You ONLY pay what you MUST PAY to keep alive and able to try to get on your feet. Maybe the house payment has to be postponed, or credit card or utility bills,, BUT YOU MUST HAVE FOOD, You must have enough gas for the car to get to work if you still have a job, you may even have to sacrifice life and car insurance, suspend ALL discretionary spending, suspend all clothing purchases, cell phones, cable, even water and electric bills till they threaten to shut it off. If you don't make something happen QUICKLY, you are OBVIOUSLY "GOING UNDER FINANCIALLY"!

That CONGRESSIONAL ACT TO "PRIORITIZE PAYMENTS" IS A HUGE DOT!

It means financial collapse is MUCH CLOSER, and much more likely than I thought it was.


 

the watcher

Inactive
Doesn't ANYBODY here "get it?"

Our legislators have been forced to sit down and decide WHO will be paid first. THAT MEANS WE ARE IMMINENTLY on the threshhold of DEFAULT of our other US obligations!


What does it MEAN in YOUR HOUSEHOLD when you and the missus sit down to the table to decide WHICH BILLS YOU ARE GOING TO PAY???

It means QUITE LIKELY there is NOT ENOUGH MONEY to pay everything you are obligated to pay. You ONLY pay what you MUST PAY to keep alive and able to try to get on your feet. Maybe the house payment has to be postponed, or credit card or utility bills,, BUT YOU MUST HAVE FOOD, You must have enough gas for the car to get to work if you still have a job, you may even have to sacrifice life and car insurance, suspend ALL discretionary spending, suspend all clothing purchases, cell phones, cable, even water and electric bills till they threaten to shut it off. If you don't make something happen QUICKLY, you are OBVIOUSLY "GOING UNDER FINANCIALLY"!

That CONGRESSIONAL ACT TO "PRIORITIZE PAYMENTS" IS A HUGE DOT!

It means financial collapse is MUCH CLOSER, and much more likely than I thought it was.



You are correct, that is the exact reason I tagged the articles together. A brief glimpse behind the curtain.
 

Oilpatch Hand

3-Bomb General, TB2K Army
So you believe that the Postal service shouldn't put any money away, for the retirement that they have promised to people working today?

Where did I say that?

Oh, that's right. I didn't actually say anything like that.

I was merely pointing out that the monies now being deposited in the postal pension fund are being looted (under the label of "borrowing") by the Secretary of the Treasury to pay for day-to-day government operations.

Now, whether the USPS can continue to fully fund its pension obligations as now required AND remain competitive with FedEx, UPS, Fred's Parcel and Post, etc., is another question for another day. Right now, it looks like their pension funding obligations are presenting an impediment to operating in the black, which is what they're supposed to be doing now. Before the USPS became its own business entity, it received heavy federal subsidies to keep postage rates affordable, and postal worker pensions were a general obligation of the federal government. They didn't worry about where the money would come from for pensions, because Congress had always appropriated money for those in the budget. However, that ceased being the case around 1970, when the U. S. Post Office became the United State Postal Service, a quasi-governmental agency that had to raise its own revenues through postal rates and account for its operating expenses and long-term obligations, including pensions.

But all that is beside the point I was making, which is that while the Postal Service is dutifully pre-funding its pension obligations (which appear to be strangling it in the here and now), Obama's Secretary of the Treasury is pilfering those funds to pay for other governmental outlays.
 

Publius

On TB every waking moment
It would be better if they default than taking peoples retirement money, because they will faultier by design, they just want to make things worse for as many as they can.
 
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ainitfunny

Saved, to glorify God.
Tsongas rejects GOP's "Pay China First" bill

05/09/13
Today, the House of Representatives passed the Republican-sponsored H.R. 807, the so-called “Full Faith and Credit Act.”

Congresswoman Tsongas voted against the bill, which passed the House with every Democrat and eight Republicans opposing.

H.R. 807 does nothing to prevent America from defaulting on the national debt but rather in the event that the debt ceiling is breached, (Maybe in the NEXT TWO WEEKS!) prioritizes the nation’s debt payments and orders the Treasury secretary to pay bondholders from China, Saudi Arabia, and other foreign nations first. American businesses, veterans and servicemembers would be moved to the bottom of the national debt payment list, putting their payments at risk. For example, the Chinese government would be paid ahead of:

· 1.4 millionactive duty troops and 780,000 activated reserves and National Guard;

· 3.4 million disabled veterans;

· 1.3 million veteranswho receive education or home purchasing assistance;

· American small businesses that sell goods and services to the government;

· Doctors and hospitals that treat the 50 million Medicare patients around the country.

Congresswoman Tsongas released the following statement.

“This Republican bill, which should really be called the ‘Pay China First Bill,’ claims to prevent the federal government from defaulting, but this bill would actually undermine our nation’s credit standing and put our entire economy at risk.

“By acknowledging that there may be a point that we cannot pay all of our debts, and therefore we would default on some of the payments we’ve committed to paying, the GOP is admitting they have no confidence in America’s ability to avoid default. We would be immediately signaling to our creditors that we are a risky investment, and it would almost certainly trigger a ‘self-imposed’ downgrade.

“Adding insult to injury, this bill proposes that we prioritize payments to China and Saudi Arabia ahead of veterans and small businesses.

“There is no question that we have to find a way to bring down our deficit, but we can do so without putting our entire economy at risk. There is room for a balanced approach to deficit reduction that combines targeted spending cuts with new revenue sources, just as every bipartisan group that has looked at this problem has suggested. That is what America needs, not more bills to nowhere that ignore the needs of Americans.”
 

homepark

Resist
Yes, Virginia, there is no Santa Claus. Now I see us Vets are just another budgetary burden. It won't be long folks.
 

ainitfunny

Saved, to glorify God.
When, NOT IF, this imminently looming disaster hits, then if the HR807 bill passes, THEN ONLY CHINA AND SAUDI ARABIA GET PAID FOR SURE. BUT, AMERICANS to whom this government LEGALLY AND CONTRACTUALLY OWE MONEY wil be told "tough", YOU LOSE.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-05-17/debt-ceiling-back
The Debt Ceiling Is Back
Submitted by Tyler Durden on 05/17/2013 17:28 -0400

Ben Bernanke Bond Debt Ceiling default Excess Reserves Fannie Mae Freddie Mac Medicare Obama Administration Primary Market Reality


While many may not recall that the US has been without an official debt ceiling for the past three months, or even that it has a debt target ceiling, the bonus period agreed upon in January to let the nation rake up some $400 billion in addition debt in the past few months, officially runs out tomorrow, May 19, when the debt limit will be restored to its previous level plus the debt that was incurred in the interim, which means around $16.735 trillion in total debt as of yesterday, plus the amount incurred today, excluding the debt not subject to the cap which is about $30 billion. And since no grand bargain is forthcoming in a world in which official governance is now almost universally in the hands of the world's central bankers and out of the hands of the theatrical career politicians, it means that the next deadline in the endless US debt ceiling saga will be the day when the extraordinary measures to extend the debt ceiling run out.

Such a deadline will likely be hit in just over three months. As the WSJ reports:

Mr. Lew said the Treasury would be able to use the same extraordinary measures that the department deployed during the last debt-ceiling standoff at the start of the year. Those include halting investments in government worker retiree funds and drawing down some accounts.

“Treasury is not able to provide a specific estimate of how long the extraordinary measures will last,” Mr. Lew said.

But because of strong tax receipts and billions of dollars in dividend payments from mortgage giants Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac the U.S. will be able to continue borrowing–and paying all of its bills–until after Labor Day, Mr. Lew said.
September 2 happens to be a rather interesting day: just after the August Jackson Hole symposium where Bernanke will be famously absent, and just before the September FOMC meeting at which the Fed may (or may not) announce it is tapering QE (and when according the current run rate, the S&P should be roughly in the 1800 ballpark).

The song and dance is well-known:

If the Treasury exhausts the extraordinary measures and Congress doesn’t raise the debt limit, the government would be forced to fund its operations with the cash it has on hand, potentially putting Social Security, Medicare, military salaries and other payments at risk.

“The global economic leadership position enjoyed by the United States rests on the confidence of Americans and people around the world that we are a nation that keeps its promises and pays all of its bills, in full and on time,” Mr. Lew said.

Republicans have argued that the Treasury could prioritize to ensure that the government doesn’t default on bond payments. Mr. Lew rejected such an option, saying it would be “unwise, unworkable, unacceptably risky.”

Mr. Lew said that the Obama administration would not negotiate with Congress over the debt ceiling.
The good news is that as a result of an acceleration in government receipts and modest slowdown in spending (however temporary), the immediate cash needs of the government are lower, even though they once again pick up in the last quarter of fiscal 2013 (July-Sept), when marketable borrowings are expected to increase by a fresh $223 billion. The other issue of course is that without the Treasury creating "collateral" (read government debt to fund a deficit) which the Fed can monetize and expand bank reserves in the primary market, the Fed risks to become far too dominant a holder of Treasurys which it would then have to buy from the secondary market, and in the process eliminate even more liquidity from the market. This means that implicitly, Congress will be given a green light to spend away at will, even as Bernanke rages, very theatrically, against the will to generate sound fiscal policy. Bernanke's whole spiel is to create as many billions in excess reserves as he can thus pushing stocks, pardon the "wealth effect" as high as possible, for which he desperately needs a profligate Congress.

Which brings us to the bad news, namely that while many expected a bipartisan compromise on the debt ceiling to be quick and easy, especially in the aftermath of the GOP humiliation from the end of 2012 and early 2013, the events of the past week, which have seen scandal after scandal unfold in the Obama camp, have drastically changed the equation, and suddenly the resurgent GOP may once again play hardball with both the president and the democrats, at just the time when some are starting to throw around the "I" word. And if there is anything that the Obama camp would want to avoid, it is another debt ceiling fiasco at a time when all plates are full as is.

Does that mean a replay of August 2011 is in the cards? It would be oddly symmetric. And yet, that would presuppose that the GOP and the democrats truly have divergent agendas, when in reality both parties are eagerly willing to spend as much as possible in the name of "the people" and both are eager fans of a government that is as big as possible.

And finally, we now live in a day and age when the legislative and the executive are sorry shadows of their former selves, and the only true branch of government, is the monetary (in other words Wall Street). And Wall Street will only let the market drop when it is well and ready, and when it is confident it has transferred enough paper wealth into hard assets, and not a moment sooner.
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FOLKS, I READ THAT THIS ARTICLE AND HR 807 (whether it passes or not!) MEAN WE HAVE THREE, AT THE MOST FOUR MONTHS TO "get your affairs in order" your preps, your plans, WHAT you have PREARRANGED to be you and your family's resources to survive the looming total economic COLLAPSE of the UNITED STATES ECONOMY.

EVEN if you have a good "government job" now, Don't count on having a job AFTER the collapse, don't count on getting government payments OF ANY KIND, WELFARE, UNEMPLOYMENT, grants, MEDICARE, RETIREMENTS, PAYMENTS ON CONTRACTS WITH THE GOVERNMENT etc., Local funding from the Feds will halt, LOTS OF LOCAL GOVERNMENTS WON't be able to continue without the federal monetary support they were getting. UNIVERSITIES may be forced to close without the funds the Feds provided to the schools themselves, and to the states that funded the Universities. All the second tier private businesses that lived off the money SPENT by govt funded entities and their employees will crash. We could see unemployment as high as 50 - 70% in the worst of it, IN MY OPINION, as it has been in many other crashed economies.
 
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ainitfunny

Saved, to glorify God.
BUMP. There is MORE significance to this information than the title would lead one to think,
I hope more people read it.

We have about three to four months left before collapse looms, in my opinion.
 

Orion Commander

Veteran Member
The U.S. Postal Service has problems and issues, however the problem is not financial, it is congressional. By that I mean, in 2006 Congress passed legislation to force the Postal Service to pre-fund retiree health benefits for future retirees for the next 75 years within a 10 year window.





http://minotdailynews.com/page/content.detail/id/573680/Saving-the-Postal-Service.html?nav=5008



So, the USPS is required, by law, to pre-fund retiree health benefits for employees that don't even work there yet. I don't know any business that can afford to do that.

This is what my coworker who is a retired post master says.
 

the watcher

Inactive
Sure hope the federal workers union raises hell and goes cock-a-doodle-do all over tptb.

Fed employees got a 3% pay raise earlier this year, they aren't going to buck the machine. This served dual purposes, to insure loyalty, and to make sure they were happy and didn't retire early and keep feeding the kitty.
 

packyderms_wife

Neither here nor there.
The Star Tribune needs a better editor. The headline say he has begun, but the contents says he will begin. Present and future tense, but education is different today so maybe those words mean the same thing now.



there's a reason for this... by the time the news has made it to the media the gov't has already been implementing whatever deal they have going on for at LEAST six months if not longer. The headline is correct in this case.

K-
 

the watcher

Inactive
I'm glad to see you guys keeping this alive, because what isn't said is volumes on these super important topics. We won't be any different those those people in Greece when it all goes down.
 

Tuvia Bielski

Contributing Member
The idea that diverting funds from Federal pensions has delayed crossing the debt ceiling is absurd. If the federal debt in terms of outstanding Treasury issuance is level, but you are now writing "IOUs" to pension funds the debt *is* increasing because IOUs are debt. These pension IOUs apparently don't count though.

The sad thing is that most Americans have actually bought this "creative accounting" as being legitimate.
 

Tuvia Bielski

Contributing Member
Tsongas rejects GOP's "Pay China First" bill


H.R. 807 does nothing to prevent America from defaulting on the national debt but rather in the event that the debt ceiling is breached, (Maybe in the NEXT TWO WEEKS!) prioritizes the nation’s debt payments and orders the Treasury secretary to pay bondholders from China, Saudi Arabia, and other foreign nations first. American businesses, veterans and servicemembers would be moved to the bottom of the national debt payment list, putting their payments at risk.

In many ways this is similar to what happened in Cyprus.

In Cyprus, account holders lost a significant percentage of their accounts during the "bail-in". This meant that money in the bank was worth LESS than money held outside the bank (cash). People immediately then wanted to pull their money out (bank run), but were prevented from doing so (bank holiday).

Paying treasuries obligations to a set of particular countries first and others second makes bonds worth a different amount depending on who holds them. What do you think would happen to the bond market in such a scenario?

And Congress has used this mechanism before. It happened during the gold confiscation under Roosevelt. Foreign dollars were worth more because we honored our obligation to exchange them for gold while Americans could not only NOT redeem their dollars for gold but gold was confiscated from them to meet the Federal government's obligations giving every physical gold holder a hair cut in value. The "bail-in" concept is not new, but it is being revived.

No matter what you choose to call it, if you can't or don't meet your obligations you have defaulted.
 
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Dare7

Inactive
Fed employees got a 3% pay raise earlier this year, they aren't going to buck the machine. This served dual purposes, to insure loyalty, and to make sure they were happy and didn't retire early and keep feeding the kitty.

No, they didn't. They were supposed to but their pay is still frozen at the 2010 level.
 

Ranger

Inactive
The "big squeeze" thus begins!

Won't affect mil? Dunno. CSRS ended
in 1983. Postal dunno. FERS largely unaffected.
The older folks who are willing to sacrifice a bit more
will awaken others to the fact that we're broke
without Glass-Steagall.

Raising the so called "debt ceiling" gives ZerO
a credit card to tyranny. Nope. Dry him and his
feaux "ilk" up!

This is going to get interesting if O's golfing
partner, Boehner does not acquiesce.

No trust, no money!

Ranger
 

Dare7

Inactive
There are still CSRS employees/retirees out there. It didn't end, per se, it just didn't accept new participants once FERS was created. Those already in CSRS could stay in it or switch during a brief window back then - most didn't unless they already had a lot of social security credits under their belt (like me & I've been kicking myself over that choice due to the circumstances of my retirement - CSRS would have been the better option under those conditions although I could not have anticipated what happened so FERS would have been best IF I could have continued working until full retirement age) since CSRS covered personnel don't qualify for SS. I have an uncle who retired under CSRS right after 9/11 (in the Pentagon when the plane hit, 4 years military then DOD civilian since 1972, decided it was time to go). His wife retired from the BIA in 2010, also under CSRS, so the fund still exists and contributions are still being made --

FERS is the current postal workers retirement plan. Have a DD (city carrier) paying into it. She quit her contributions to the TSP when the restrictions were placed on investment movements shortly after TPTB threatened to "borrow" from it. CSRS was the postal workers retirement fund, as well, before FERS was created. My long time carrier just retired last year under it (Lord, how I miss him - he was fabulous - his replacement is a complete moron).

Why Sec'y Lew chose to label FERS as "a similar fund that covers retired postal workers" in his letter to the "leaders" is beyond me since it's the same one every fed pays into that wasn't employed prior to the CSRS/FERS changeover. UNLESS, he was hoping the critters on the hill are too dense to realize he was talking about THEIR retirement fund. :lol:
 

Libbybear

Inactive
Well, The govt emptied the social security fund. Now they are going after federal retirement funds. Where do they go next? What funds can they steal from hard-working people? I do expect ss to eventually be reduced by at least 30%. But the feds will be sure that they get raises when we get our income from ss cut and they will be sure their retirement isnt compromised.

This is nothing more than just plain stealing from these funds and they dont care one bit about doing it.
 

ainitfunny

Saved, to glorify God.
They have been tapping Transportation funds for decades, THAT IS WHY OUR HIGHWAY SYSTEM is decaying.
They had the CIA tapping the Forest and Park service funds years ago. A LOT of the funds that are appropriated but never get where they are supposed to are part of THE BLACK BUDGET.
 

Libbybear

Inactive
no pay raise since 2010. Retirees/social security received a cola this year

Yes, we got a paltry 1.7% raise this year in ss. But the two years prior, we got nothing. And they raised medicare premiums $5 this year. That took a fair amount of the raise back to the govt.
 
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