GUNS/RLTD 1000 man march on DC planned for July 4th with loaded rifles.

Foothiller

Veteran Member
A thousand people is a protest not a revolution and people will go to jail or worse, and I do fear worse.

Every November outside the gates of Ft. Benning, Ga. hundreds of people, used to be thousands, mostly organized by Catholic groups, and left leaning organizations come to protest The School of Americas (the name of the school has been changed, but still....) and as soon as they step foot over the line they are arrested and at some point they go to Federal Court and then they do go to jail.

This planned march is a bad idea, and also if you will remember history it was the British soldiers who lined up and marched in a nice pretty line, bad strategy.

Oh yeah, just a heads up, the crowd at the Ft. Benning protest is rife with undercover agents.

I see a lot of "you can't possibly stand against the juggernaut' comments.

BS.

Maybe this guy, crazy or not, hopes to martyr himself and his 1000. To prove to the still actively denying sheople that it is the government of the United States that hates us for our freedom (to defend ourselves) and who terrorizes Americans regularly, whether at airports, sporting events, lockdowns (of towns or schools), terror drills (helicopters firing blanks over American cities), or whatnot.

If he and his 1000 are slaughtered Tianemen square style, maybe that will wake people up as to who the real enemy of the American people and their liberty actually is.

Or we could all continue to shiver in fear, talk tough on the 'net, and comply with each new ridiculous assault on our liberty and inalienable rights.

You all do realize that every time you step into an airport, you have to prove you are NOT a terrorist, or that the government automatically assumes every American in the airport IS a terrorist, right? And that when you roll up on a DWI checkpoint, you have to prove you are NOT drunk right? That the local LEOs at their checkpoint assume every driver is drunk or violating some ordinance, ie that every driver is a criminal and must prove they are not.

Wake the F(*K up.

The fascists/communists/statists whatever you want to call them are in control.

I won't be at the march. But God speed to them. We need another shot heard round the world.

An american has in inalienable right to carry a rifle slung on his back.

Only cops are allowed to point them at innocent people. If you or me did that we'd be in jail.

The terrorists have won. We've elected them.

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Lone_Hawk

Resident Spook
Foothiller,

I understand and agree with what you are saying, but you have not taken into consideration that the MSM is the propaganda arm of the gov. and that they will spin this as a right wing extremist group marching in armed rebelion to the king. None of the MSM will tell the truth of what happened and that message will be the only thing that the majority of sheep will know.
 

Shinmen Takezo

Inactive
Actually this is a wonderful idea.

And actually the NRA should be backing this plan--and promoting this to its memebers, who will assurredly (because they are tired of the same old "send us a check" or "call your representatives" baloney) mobilize en-mass for this occasion.

But marching on DC armed?
Not yet.

Actually the NRA should call for a 10 millon man march (and they would get those numbers believe me) UNARMED "THIS TIME" march for July.
The membership should lock down DC for two or three days and remain in the streets blocking traffic and fouling up business.

Come with food, water and a means to dispose of human waste (Homer Buckets from Home Depot), and then squat in DC.
Do not disperse. Do not obey commands from police, etc.

How about a real meaningful protest this time NRA?

How about mobilizing the vast motivation, resolve and willingness of your memebership and sympathizers who will assuredly drop everything (like Minutemen of the past) and march upon DC in a vast, vast mind blowing protest?!!

All it takes are the talking heads in your office to pull it off.
Are you men enough?
 

Dennis Olson

Chief Curmudgeon
_______________
If he and his 1000 are slaughtered Tianemen square style, maybe that will wake people up as to who the real enemy of the American people and their liberty actually is.


If Waco and Ruby Ridge didn't wake people up, nothing will.


And since you're so, um, "fire-breathing" in support of a statistically insignificant group marching into a meat-grinder, why aren't you going to be with them? It's one thing to sit in an easy chair and rant, but quite another to take part. As I said in my first post in this thread, 100,000 marchers would effect real change and notice. 1000 is just a mob that will be dragged off to jail.
 

Palmetto

Son, Husband, Father
The first un-written rule I learned in an all boys prep school, is that if you are going to get in trouble, DO NOT do so by yourself, but rather with a large group.

If not, the administration would single you out and make an example of you.

Either everyone is in or no one is in.

1,000 people in a nation of 330,000,000 is no one.

This is a BAD idea. Unarmed, or even armed slung down, but not loaded.

Dennis and ST are spot on as well. You need NUMBERS, not a pittance.

+1 on the "Ogre in the eye" comment.
 

Rabbit

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Well you go ahead foothiller. All I'm saying is I would need a better plan and more people sure would not hurt, like millions of them.
 

Oreally

Right from the start
I have never trusted this dude. And this number is EXACTLY what a set-up agent provocateur would promote.

This has to be ridiculed to death before some idiots actually go with it.
 

Blue 5

Veteran Member
I think I'll pass on this one. I'd prefer to let the bad guys come to me. Home field advantage and all that...
 

Be Well

may all be well
I have never trusted this dude. And this number is EXACTLY what a set-up agent provocateur would promote.

This has to be ridiculed to death before some idiots actually go with it.

An excellent poster on FR has done massive research on Kokesh, if I have time I"ll try to copy and paste relevant parts. Race Bannon is the poster's name, former mil (can't remember which branch) and a very solid man. Short version is Kokesh hangs with Code Pink ultra leftist wingnut radical kooks and ANSWER, which is an arm of the Communist Party USA. Here's a link to the thread in which Race Bannon posts tons of info.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/3015813/posts#38

Just look fro his comments and some others and you'll see all you need to know about Kokesh.

I'll copy a few of his comments, with links in them.

PLEASE PING THE NEW MEXICO VETERANS WITH THIS:

Subject: EX-Marine Adam Kokesh: Expose on his TREASON: AUDIO FILES HERE

USN Capt Larry Baily, SEAL Commander, is interviewed on the G. Gordon Liddy show yesterday concerning Adam Kokesh

http://www.podtrac.com/pts/redirect...org/loudwater/ggl/000001206_000_000000006.mp3

that above link is a direct link to the Podcast file. You should be able to right click and save as to your computer

to listen live as a streaming file, go to this page:
http://www.radioamerica.org/POD_ggl.htm

then, scroll down to the third titled:
Phony veteran exposer and retired U.S. Navy Seal, Larry Baily, checks in the The G-man. He tells Gordon about corrupt politicians who are also guilty of distorting their military service.​

Below is a good part of comment 37, it is long, many links in it for referencing the statements made, but if you scan down it (and want more? click the FR link) anyone will clearly see that Kokesh is a raving commie type lunatic and IMHO no doubt an agent provocateur.

On leaving the Hartford Tea Party.
Please read this through, while the beginning of this letter seems unrelated, it is completely necessary to explain my position.

Recently, while working on a separate project for a patriotic organization, The Gathering of Eagles, I became more familiar with the personal actions of a former Marine named Adam kokesh. It is through the personal knowlege and experience by some of the members of the Gathering of Eagles that Adam Kokesh, the anti-war protester has been involved with activities we call treasonous. We believe it is important to focus our efforts on this man because he is running for Congress in the 3rd district in New Mexico.

In our discovery process and analysis of online documents created by Kokesh himself, along with videos taken by others at his events and with testimony of persons attending these events, it is the obvious conclusion that Adam kokesh admitted freely to asking troops to desert their unit in time of war while visiting an Army base in Ansbach, Germany, and engaged in with demonstrations that became violent by destroying property that housed a Military recruiting center in Washington DC. Protesters at this event faced a small crowd of Americans that included Mothers of active duty servicemen and women and once learning that these women were parents of Military members overseas in Iraq and Afghanistan at that time, the protesters repeated vulgar assertions that these women’s sons should die in combat for serving in this war.

Sadly, actions like this since the Vietnam War are not called what they are: sedition at best or treason at worst. Since Adam Kokesh is a Marine Corps veteran as well as I am, I believe that Kokesh was trained enough as a Marine in operational security and awareness of how his personal actions in uniform and when dressed as a civilian would reflect on military service and was mature enough to know his actions would be viewed and repeated in our national media and international media in such a way that Iraqi resistance forces and Afghanistan Taliban and international Al-Qaeda forces would only view as supporting their efforts in time of war against American and coalition forces. It is a known fact that Osama Bin Ladin announced that he watched the 9/11 attacks on television himself and that he and his forces were pleased and encouraged by what he saw on television. To deny that media accounts of the pains of your enemy aren’t encouraging to those engaged in warfare against you is an immature approach to fighting and winning a military conflict.

To back up my assertions here, I am posting links to these events so the reader can see for themselves these events are true:

Adam Kokesh who is running for the national Congressional seat in the Farmington New Mexico area.
http://kokeshforcongress.com/

Kokesh is a member of IVAW, (Iraq Veterans Against the War). He openly marched in demonstrations against his country after returning from Iraq. He was arrested for bringing an illegal weapon to a college campus and having it stolen from his car, and then had a Military trial and lost a stripe for it since he brought it back illegally from Iraq. This article quotes Kokesh extensively.
http://www.holidaydmitri.com/kokesh.html
http://americanpatriotsagainstkokesh.ning.com/

Kokesh went to an Army base and openly stood in a Chow Hall and videotaped himself calling on the troops to desert in time of War and posted in online and on the IVAW blog under his own name. The article below is Adam Kokesh’s personal account of this act in his own words.
http://www.ivaw.org/node/787
http://www.ivaw.org/membersspeak/important-message-people-germany.

Kokesh led demonstration in DC in front of a recruiting station where his public stated goal was to prevent any recruiting from going on that day. Kokesh’s accomplices that day berated several Blue Star Mothers, (Mothers of Soldiers/Marines/Airmen/Sailors serving in time of war) and told them their sons should die in Iraq.
http://www.wtopnews.com/index.php?nid=25&sid=1368458

First hand witness accounts of this demonstration here :
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1988355/posts

Video taken by the Left Wing protesters of this event is found here:
http://vimeo.com/2561824
http://www.dc-sds.org/ (see the bottom of the page)

The results of his participation in these actions in Washington DC led to an investigation by the United States Marine Corps into Kokesh’s wearing of military uniforms while walking the street in threatening poses pretending to hold a rifle simulating military action against Iraqi civilians. Kokesh posted the e-mail he received from the Marine Corps officer on the Iraq Veterans Against the War website and boasted of receiving this letter and also posted his profane response for the world to see. This again is Kokesh’s own words and testimony on the Iraq Veterans Against the War website. He was asked about this by a Marine officer who wanted to determine why he did what he did and were the allegations true. Kokesh admitted this was true and told the Major to GO F__ HIMSELF in his e-mail response.
http://www.crooksandliars.com/2007/...njustice-becomes-law-resistance-becomes-duty/
http://www.ivaw.org/node/639
http://americanpatriotsagainstkokesh.ning.com/

There are numerous articles more than can be posted, but I will let the reader look for themselves.
Use your internet connection and search for
Kokesh + IVAW
http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rlz=1T4GGIC_enUS220US220&q=Kokesh+++IVAW

Kokesh + Code Pink
http://www.google.com/search?source...rlz=1T4GGIC_enUS220US220&q=Kokesh+++Code+Pink

Kokesh + ANSWER
http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rlz=1T4GGIC_enUS220US220&q=kokesh+++answer

Kokesh + World Workers Party
http://www.google.com/search?source...C_enUS220US220&q=Kokesh+++World+Workers+Party
 

Ragnarok

On and On, South of Heaven
All it will take is one government operative embedded in the crowd to fire a few rounds at the White House and the gun grabbing will begin...
 

Garryowen

Deceased
It's obviously a set-up, probably organized by the administration/acorn, with the MSM on board. The similarity of Kokesh to Koresh caught my attention also. Probably just a coincidence.
 

Troke

Deceased
It's obviously a set-up, probably organized by the administration/acorn, with the MSM on board. The similarity of Kokesh to Koresh caught my attention also. Probably just a coincidence.

Why would they do that with the chance of discovery when the country is full of people ready to do it on their own? Like that guy in Minn. He lived close enough to DEECEE, he was a hot prospect to join up. There are a whole bunch of people out there waiting for a Leader. When he shows up, let us hope a G. Washington, rather than an A. Hitler. But given history, if you had to bet the farm, bet on Adolph.

What really frightens me is the large number of educated (?) college grads who are frustrated by no work worthy of their (self-perceived) skills and each year more of them. I don't think that is a good thing for the future of the Republic.
 

bobfall2005

Veteran Member
"I will not Go, but other folks should"

LoL

1. If you got the guts to go, G-d bless and keep you.
2.If you are going to yell at folks who do not go, while you stay home and type..
You can guess my answer to number 2.
 

bobby.knight

Senior Member
Bad idea probably right, what is the right idea? Or good idea?
No matter the number of people that may show and begin a peaceful march it really ties the hand of the government. The government probably is hoping this does not occur at all because the last thing they would want is a massacre. They would make more grist at the media mill if no one shows up. Even if an insurgent from within the group would start a confrontation the government I believe would do as much as possible to defuse and stand down the situation. If the government were to open up on the group the fallout would be tremendously against them and possibly ignite a civil war. Couldn't happen you say, well I disagree. Somebody somewhere within the confines of the government (if they haven't they probably have by now) have evaluated this scenario and its impending impact. The last thing either group would want is a confrontation but I believe the gooberment has more credibility to lose if a violent event takes place.
As I stated before those of you on the sidelines The ones who state "bring it on", NRA does not endorse this, it would be different if it were at the state levels, a plan laid out by an agent provocateur, commie, nut case, that I didn't think that through, they might go to jail, stupid, willing dupes, blah, blah, blah.
Then please tell me how do YOU notify a government that it has crossed a line? In fact a number of lines? When do you think YOU should notify a government has crossed a line? I know write your A$$hole congressman, senators. Somebody has decided to take a stand, make a statement, and you are critical concern about the dangers. There were alot of past Americans who were outnumbered, outgunned, out of a whole bunch of things but they stood firm.
Somebody responded that the colonials had the support of the locals, not so only 15% of the population wanted to break off from the crown.
 

CRodgers

אני תומך
A bad idea embraced by a lot of people is still a bad idea.
 
There is a difference between standing your ground and poking the ogre in the eye.

IMO, this is a really bad idea for more than one reason.


agree - isn't there a thought that goes something like "one behind enemy lines is worth dozens at the front"??? or something like that.
IIRC, the left has exploited that notion many times.
 

John13

Senior Member
Kokesh is currently being held in Federal custody. Been since Saturday the 18th. He was "disappeared" at a cannibus rally in Philly. Sounds like he may be there at least until after July 4th.
He has been accused of resisting arrest (trumped up charge of course). His "supporters" says the rally will go on with or without him.

I agree, it doesn't sound like too good of an idea. Like Dennis said 100,000 people, maybe... not 1,000. Plenty of room to jail them all. Ought to be interesting.
 

Dex

Constitutional Patriot
If it was anywhere else than DC I would say go for it. DC on the other hand is NOT the place to make this kind of stand. I will say it again, this is COUNTER-PRODUCTIVE! This only succeeds in making gun owners appear as freaks, it marginalizes the movement. This Kokesh guy is a agent provocateur in my opinion. He is an Emmanuel Goldstein.

You would have to be an utter moron to join in this stupid march. DC city ordinance, whether it violates the 2nd or not, it is the law of THAT land, to proceed against it is to piss into the wind getting stinky and wet in the process. The jackasses are making gun owners look bad, plain and simple.
 

ainitfunny

Saved, to glorify God.
This idea is rotten politically, militariliy, stretegically. It's exactly the kind of plan an agent provocateur would make. Iow one working for the commies.
I agree.
Very bad idea. Nothing good will be accomplished and sets up scenario for bad PR and very bad things to happen either deliberately or accidentally.
Agent provocateur's wet dream.
 

Meadowlark

Has No Life - Lives on TB
I would avise staying home that day. The clusterfoook factor is number 11 on the richter scale. A progressives dream to pain all gun owners as kooks. Stay away! Far Away!
 

Suzieq

Veteran Member
Going to Washington DC to a march with loaded guns, will get you killed. Don't do it! You have to out smart the enemy. You don't go marching into their camp, that is suicide.

"Get to know your enemy!" That was said by Retired, Lt. Col. Potter.
 

SAPPHIRE

Veteran Member
IMO..........not good idea....not now...not there...........would be like flies marching into a spider's web...
 

FREEBIRD

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Why would this man go to a rally where he is likely to get picked up, if he is on the up-and-up about the July event? Wouldn't he be more likely to steer clear of trouble between now and then? Or am I thinking too cautiously?
 

Taz

Deceased
Maybe he is in O's pocket and this will start the rioting that O wants so he can contain us all.
 

Oilpatch Hand

3-Bomb General, TB2K Army
The Article said:
Libertarian activist and radio host Adam Kokesh is hoping to get 1,000 people to march on Washington on July 4 -- armed with loaded rifles. The plan, launched with a Facebook group today, is to gather on the Virginia side of the Potomac, where gun laws are lax, and then march across the bridge with loaded rifles slung over their shoulders into the District, where openly carrying weapons is generally prohibited.

And for his next trick, Adam Kokesh will hang-glide naked into the caldera of an erupting volcano. :lol:
 

Dennis Olson

Chief Curmudgeon
_______________
This guy is NOT a libertarian. He's a dyed-in-the-wool liberal. He IS the agent provocateur, and anyone that follows him is nuts.
 

Steel Chips

Veteran Member
Any fool that follows this agent provocateur is going to go to prison, or shot on sight, which, apparently, is the plan.

You want to show that you’re serious, you cut off their air supply. Part of their air supply comes from the outstanding transportation system. If someone could actually get one thousand people to show up someplace, I would recommend I95, just south of the 495 Beltway, both directions, at 4 in the morning, on Monday, while congress is in session. Come to a stop and park ‘em, with the hood up and possibly disabled somehow. Replacing the computer fuse with a blown fuse is one suggestion. Ideally, several people would tow unregistered clunkers on trailers and dump ‘em on the shoulder of the interstate with flat tires, near the Beltway and in amongst the other vehicles. Think Tiananmen Square in refusing to move or allowing tow trucks access.

This would snarl traffic for days and back it up for hundreds of miles in both directions. If anyone needed medical attention, well, that’s what life flight is for. What are they going to do? Shoot a thousand people? I’ll tell you now, you show up in d.c. with a loaded rifle they can say they have a reason to shoot you in ‘fear of their lives’.

Another idea a couple of you coppers won’t like. new jersey put an innocent man in prison for just passing through the state with guns. Once again, the transportation system is their major air supply. A thousand vehicles and clunkers used as previously described, on I80 and I78, will bring new jersey to its knees in a few days. When the reason why is known, I would bet they would release the guy, replace his guns and make him whole.

This method may may take a couple of times to get through to the politicians, but it is peaceful protest. If the cops start beating people, well, it is out in the open, with the news helicopters showing the cops dirty deeds and smart phones with video. This won’t be like Waco or Ruby Ridge. Any beatings would bring instant world wide attention. What could the cops charge you with? Assembly without a permit? Or maybe their favorite lie, resisting arrest. In any case, a thousand people is a thousand people. I wonder what the National Guard would do if ordered to clear the roads. Would they shoot the people or support them?
 

Vtshooter

Inactive
Kokesh is currently being held in Federal custody. Been since Saturday the 18th. He was "disappeared" at a cannibus rally in Philly. Sounds like he may be there at least until after July 4th.
He has been accused of resisting arrest (trumped up charge of course). His "supporters" says the rally will go on with or without him.

I agree, it doesn't sound like too good of an idea. Like Dennis said 100,000 people, maybe... not 1,000. Plenty of room to jail them all. Ought to be interesting.

Well now. Isn't that convenient. He got the march all organized, and everything set up to go, "damn the consequences", and now Ooops. He won't be able to attend the shooting spree because he is in lock up. Darn the bad luck! But don't worry, because his followers will continue without him. Nice setup. Get the ball rolling, then just happen to get arrested by the same people you are protesting, to give all your supporters extra incentive.
 

FarmerJohn

Has No Life - Lives on TB
If you wanted to bring the government to a halt all you'd have to do is recruit about 500 cars and drivers and circle the few blocks around K St. You wouldn't have to do anything illegal, just keep driving. The extra congestion would effectively ground the lobbyists.
 

WildDaisy

God has a plan, Trust it!
Ooo Ooo this is a limmerick, right?

1,000 armed old men marched on Washington.....and only 1 returned alive?

Was that the ending?
 

GabrielOz

Inactive
Adam is not a false flag get he is sitting in federal prison check the the videos of his arrest bobby knight is right you all sound like British subjects if they arrested 1000 people or killed them maybe the masses would wake up this march scares them so we should support them are we men or are we mice

Gabriel Oz
 
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