GOV/MIL WSJ - This Is No Ordinary Scandal (IRS)

Political abuse of the IRS threatens the basic integrity of our government.
As always it comes down to trust. Do you trust the president's answers when he's
pressed on an uncomfortable story? Do you trust his people to be sober and
fair-minded as they go about their work? Do you trust the IRS and the Justice
Department? You do not.



By PEGGY NOONAN
Updated May 17, 2013, 6:43 p.m. ET
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887323582904578487460479247792.html

We are in the midst of the worst Washington scandal since Watergate. The
reputation of the Obama White House has, among conservatives, gone from
sketchy to sinister, and, among liberals, from unsatisfying to dangerous. No one
likes what they're seeing. The Justice Department assault on the Associated Press
and the ugly politicization of the Internal Revenue Service have left the
administration's credibility deeply, probably irretrievably damaged. They don't
look jerky now, they look dirty. The patina of high-mindedness the president
enjoyed is gone.

Something big has shifted. The standing of the administration has changed.

As always it comes down to trust. Do you trust the president's answers when he's
pressed on an uncomfortable story? Do you trust his people to be sober and
fair-minded as they go about their work? Do you trust the IRS and the Justice
Department? You do not.

The president, as usual, acts as if all of this is totally unconnected to him. He's
shocked, it's unacceptable, he'll get to the bottom of it. He read about it in the
papers, just like you.

But he is not unconnected, he is not a bystander. This is his administration.
Those are his executive agencies. He runs the IRS and the Justice Department.

A president sets a mood, a tone. He establishes an atmosphere. If he is arrogant,
arrogance spreads. If he is too partisan, too disrespecting of political adversaries,
that spreads too. Presidents always undo themselves and then blame it on the
third guy in the last row in the sleepy agency across town.

The IRS scandal has two parts. The first is the obviously deliberate and targeted
abuse, harassment and attempted suppression of conservative groups. The
second is the auditing of the taxes of political activists.

In order to suppress conservative groups—at first those with words like "Tea
Party" and "Patriot" in their names, then including those that opposed
ObamaCare or advanced the Second Amendment—the IRS demanded donor rolls,
membership lists, data on all contributions, names of volunteers, the contents of
all speeches made by members, Facebook posts, minutes of all meetings, and
copies of all materials handed out at gatherings. Among its questions: What are
you thinking about? Did you ever think of running for office? Do you ever contact
political figures? What are you reading? One group sent what it was reading: the
U.S. Constitution.

The second part of the scandal is the auditing of political activists who have
opposed the administration. The Journal's Kim Strassel reported an Idaho
businessman named Frank VanderSloot, who'd donated more than a million
dollars to groups supporting Mitt Romney. He found himself last June, for the first
time in 30 years, the target of IRS auditors. His wife and his business were also
soon audited. Hal Scherz, a Georgia physician, also came to the government's
attention. He told ABC News: "It is odd that nothing changed on my tax return
and I was never audited until I publicly criticized ObamaCare."

Franklin Graham, son of Billy, told Politico he believes his father was targeted. A
conservative Catholic academic who has written for these pages faced questions
about her meager freelance writing income. Many of these stories will come out,
but not as many as there are. People are not only afraid of being audited, they're
afraid of saying they were audited.

All of these IRS actions took place in the years leading up to the 2012 election.
They constitute the use of governmental power to intrude on the privacy and
shackle the political freedom of American citizens. The purpose, obviously, was to
overwhelm and intimidate—to kill the opposition, question by question and audit
by audit.

It is not even remotely possible that all this was an accident, a mistake. Again,
only conservative groups were targeted, not liberal. It is not even remotely
possible that only one IRS office was involved.

Lois Lerner, who oversees tax-exempt groups for the IRS, was the person who
finally acknowledged, under pressure of a looming investigative report, some of
what the IRS was doing. She told reporters the actions were the work of
"frontline people" in Cincinnati. But other offices were involved, including
Washington. It is not even remotely possible the actions were the work of just a
few agents. This was more systemic. It was an operation. The word was out: Get
the Democratic Party's foes. It is not remotely possible nobody in the IRS knew
what was going on until very recently. The Washington Post reported efforts to
target the conservative groups reached the highest levels of the agency by May
2012—far earlier than the agency had acknowledged. Reuters reported high-level
IRS officials, including its chief counsel, knew in August 2011 about the targeting.

The White House is reported to be shellshocked at public reaction to the scandal.
But why? Were they so highhanded, so essentially ignorant, that they didn't
understand what it would mean to the American people when their IRS—the
revenue-collecting arm of the U.S. government—is revealed as a low, ugly and
bullying tool of the reigning powers? If they didn't know how Americans would
react to that, what did they know? I mean beyond Harvey Weinstein's cellphone
number.

And why—in the matters of the Associated Press and Benghazi too—does no one
in this administration ever take responsibility? Attorney General Eric Holder
doesn't know what happened, exactly who did what. The president speaks in the
passive voice. He attempts to act out indignation, but he always seems indignant
at only one thing: that he's being questioned at all. That he has to address this.
That fate put it on his plate.

We all have our biases. Mine is for a federal government that, for all the partisan
shootouts on the streets of Washington, is allowed to go about its work. That it
not be distracted by scandal, that political disagreement be, in the end, subsumed
to the common good. It is a dangerous world: Calculating people wish to do us
harm. In this world no draining, unproductive scandals should dominate the
government's life. Independent counsels should not often come in and distract
the U.S. government from its essential business.

But that bias does not fit these circumstances.

What happened at the IRS is the government's essential business. The IRS case
deserves and calls out for an independent counsel, fully armed with all that
position's powers. Only then will stables that badly need to be cleaned, be
cleaned. Everyone involved in this abuse of power should pay a price, because if
they don't, the politicization of the IRS will continue—forever. If it is not stopped
now, it will never stop. And if it isn't stopped, no one will ever respect or have
even minimal faith in the revenue-gathering arm of the U.S. government again.


And it would be shameful and shallow for any Republican operative or operator to
make this scandal into a commercial and turn it into a mere partisan arguing
point and part of the game. It's not part of the game. This is not about the usual
partisan slugfest. This is about the integrity of our system of government and our
ability to trust, which is to say our ability to function.


This is one of the best articles to date about the Scandals in DC.

(And I've read a bunch of them today!)
 

Dphintias

Veteran Member
I applaud Peggy Noonan. I have not always. Here she hit it out of the ball park. If this is not stopped in it's tracks with the full force of the law, then the U.S. no longer can stand as the premier example of democracy to the world. She will have lost her moral footing. If this is not a bipartisan issue, then there just isn't one. The world is watching!
 

TerryK

TB Fanatic
She's a liberal but occasionally hits the ball out of the park. She also had an outstanding article right after 9-11 http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122451174798650085.html in the Wall Street Journal called "Welcome Back Duke".

I think she is right about the IRS scandal. It is going to cause a fundamental change in the way the sheeple view their government.
 
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colonel holman

Administrator
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dems are as angry as repubs about these scandals because these very same abuses could be used against them in the future when the admin changes hands... just as we said about the patriot act and dhs during bush admin
 

Mzkitty

I give up.
dems are as angry as repubs about these scandals because these very same abuses could be used against them in the future when the admin changes hands... just as we said about the patriot act and dhs during bush admin

And yet the dems did nothing but continue the DHS and Patriot Act and more. And yet we also have Obamacare. Now this.
 

Dozdoats

Deceased
Actually it IS a pretty typical government scandal. http://www.historycommons.org/timel...watergate_tmln_political_subordination_of_irs

Dear sweet statist Peggy Noonan (to quote her: We all have our biases. Mine is for a federal government that, for all the partisan shootouts on the streets of Washington, is allowed to go about its work.) kindasorta FAILS TO TELL YOU WHY THIS IS THE WORST SCANDAL SINCE WATERGATE (follow the link to historycommons above).

The existence of the IRS in the first place is a crime against the intent of the Founding Fathers... look it up. But does Little Miss Freedom Speechwriter talk about that?

Don't hold your breath.
 

Donner9x

Thread Killer :-)
Her article is all great, agree with most of it. However she doesn't go quite far enough. "The IRS Scandal Started at the Top"

From Friday's Wall Street Journal:


Strassel: The IRS Scandal Started at the Top

The bureaucrats at the Internal Revenue Service did exactly what the president said was the right and honorable thing to do.
Was the White House involved in the IRS's targeting of conservatives? No investigation needed to answer that one. Of course it was.

President Obama and Co. are in full deniability mode, noting that the IRS is an "independent" agency and that they knew nothing about its abuse. The media and Congress are sleuthing for some hint that Mr. Obama picked up the phone and sicced the tax dogs on his enemies.

But that's not how things work in post-Watergate Washington. Mr. Obama didn't need to pick up the phone. All he needed to do was exactly what he did do, in full view, for three years: Publicly suggest that conservative political groups were engaged in nefarious deeds; publicly call out by name political opponents whom he'd like to see harassed; and publicly have his party pressure the IRS to take action.

Mr. Obama now professes shock and outrage that bureaucrats at the IRS did exactly what the president of the United States said was the right and honorable thing to do. "He put a target on our backs, and he's now going to blame the people who are shooting at us?" asks Idaho businessman and longtime Republican donor Frank VanderSloot.
Mr. VanderSloot is the Obama target who in 2011 made a sizable donation to a group supporting Mitt Romney. In April 2012, an Obama campaign website named and slurred eight Romney donors. It tarred Mr. VanderSloot as a "wealthy individual" with a "less-than-reputable record." Other donors were described as having been "on the wrong side of the law."

This was the Obama version of the phone call—put out to every government investigator (and liberal activist) in the land.

Twelve days later, a man working for a political opposition-research firm called an Idaho courthouse for Mr. VanderSloot's divorce records. In June, the IRS informed Mr. VanderSloot and his wife of an audit of two years of their taxes. In July, the Department of Labor informed him of an audit of the guest workers on his Idaho cattle ranch. In September, the IRS informed him of a second audit, of one of his businesses. Mr. VanderSloot, who had never been audited before, was subject to three in the four months after Mr. Obama teed him up for such scrutiny.

The last of these audits was only concluded in recent weeks. Not one resulted in a fine or penalty. But Mr. VanderSloot has been waiting more than 20 months for a sizable refund and estimates his legal bills are $80,000. That figure doesn't account for what the president's vilification has done to his business and reputation.

The Obama call for scrutiny wasn't a mistake; it was the president's strategy—one pursued throughout 2012. The way to limit Romney money was to intimidate donors from giving. Donate, and the president would at best tie you to Big Oil or Wall Street, at worst put your name in bold, and flag you as "less than reputable" to everyone who worked for him: the IRS, the SEC, the Justice Department. The president didn't need a telephone; he had a megaphone.

The same threat was made to conservative groups that might dare play in the election. As early as January 2010, Mr. Obama would, in his state of the union address, cast aspersions on the Supreme Court's Citizens United ruling, claiming that it "reversed a century of law to open the floodgates for special interests" (read conservative groups).

The president derided "tea baggers." Vice President Joe Biden compared them to "terrorists." In more than a dozen speeches Mr. Obama raised the specter that these groups represented nefarious interests that were perverting elections. "Nobody knows who's paying for these ads," he warned. "We don't know where this money is coming from," he intoned.

In case the IRS missed his point, he raised the threat of illegality: "All around this country there are groups with harmless-sounding names like Americans for Prosperity, who are running millions of dollars of ads against Democratic candidates . . . And they don't have to say who exactly the Americans for Prosperity are. You don't know if it's a foreign-controlled corporation."

Short of directly asking federal agencies to investigate these groups, this is as close as it gets. Especially as top congressional Democrats were putting in their own versions of phone calls, sending letters to the IRS that accused it of having "failed to address" the "problem" of groups that were "improperly engaged" in campaigns. Because guess who controls that "independent" agency's budget?

The IRS is easy to demonize, but it doesn't exist in a vacuum. It got its heading from a president, and his party, who did in fact send it orders—openly, for the world to see. In his Tuesday press grilling, no question agitated White House Press Secretary Jay Carney more than the one that got to the heart of the matter: Given the president's "animosity" toward Citizens United, might he have "appreciated or wanted the IRS to be looking and scrutinizing those . . ." Mr. Carney cut off the reporter with "That's a preposterous assertion."

Preposterous because, according to Mr. Obama, he is "outraged" and "angry" that the IRS looked into the very groups and individuals that he spent years claiming were shady, undemocratic, even lawbreaking. After all, he expects the IRS to "operate with absolute integrity." Even when he does not.
 

WalknTrot

Veteran Member
Well, nice to see that Noonan has removed her head from Obama's butt. His biggest mistake was going after the goose that laid the Golden Egg (and got him elected and re-elected). That would be wire-tapping the press and sending his audit machine after some who spoke their mind.

When these crazy politicians get the bit in their mouth, there isn't any low to which they won't aspire. Let's sit back and see if Obama can out-slime Nixon.

My take on Obama is that he will not take much crap before he resigns. He doesn't have enough character (even bad) to persevere when life gets tough.
 

nomifyle

TB Fanatic
nice to see that Noonan has removed her head from Obama's butt.

I think she did that a couple of years ago, but it was firmly planted there for a good while. I was never particularly impressed with her.

Judy
 

kittyluvr

Veteran Member
A president sets a mood, a tone. He establishes an atmosphere. If he is arrogant,
arrogance spreads. If he is too partisan, too disrespecting of political adversaries,
that spreads too.

The above quote from the article says it all. It is the point that needs to be hammered over and over again to the DGIs.
 

Dobbin

Faithful Steed
Here's a good video of a PA congressman ripping into the IRS asshole:
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/vid...missioner.html
(If anyone can figure out how to embed this, please do so. I played with it for a bit, but couldn't figure out how to do it.)

Like you I can't seem to "rip" the content keeper from the vid...

But here is a similar, possibly the same vid from youtube.


And a cut and paste of the wording from your link above (Dennis encourages us to "hard copy" articles directly to the board since the Internet is such a flimsy temporal thing.)

GOP Congressman Receives Standing Ovation After He Rips IRS Commissioner

REP. MIKE KELLY (R-PA): This has nothing to do with political parties. This has to do with highly targeted groups. This reconfirms everything the American public believes. This is a huge blow to the faith and trust that the American people have in their government. Is there any limit to the scope where you folks can go? Is there anything at all? Is there any way that we could ask you is there any question that you should have asked?

My goodness. How much money do you have in your wallet? Who do you get emails from? Whose sign do you put up in your front yard? This is a tax question? And you don't think that's intimidating? It's sure as hell intimidating. And I don't know that I got any answers from you today. And I don't know that -- what Mr. George said is great work -- but you know what? There's a heck of a lot more that has to come out in this. Any anybody that sat here today and listened to what you had to say, I am more concerned today than I was before, and the fact that you all can do just about anything you want to anybody?

You know, you can put anybody out of business that you want. Any time you want. I gotta tell you. You could talk about how you're a horribly run organization, if you're on the other side of the fence, you're not giving that excuse. And the IRS comes in, you're not allowed to be shoddy, you're not allowed to be run horribly, you're not allowed to make mistakes, you're not allowed to do one damn thing that doesn't come in compliance, and if you do, you're held responsible right then. I just think the American people have seen what's going on right now in their government. This is absolutely an overreach and this is an outrage for all Americans.

Dobbin
 

kittyluvr

Veteran Member
The Complete IRS Scandal Timeline in Spreadsheet Format

May 19, 2013
The Complete IRS Scandal Timeline in Spreadsheet Format
Thomas Lifson

A huge thank-you to Doug Ross of the invaluable Director Blue website for compiling a complete timeline of the IRS scandal. So many lies and misleading statements have already been made that the American public must evaluate Obama administration representations clasely, and compare them to the known record. Here it is:

130518-irs-scandal-timeline.gif


http://www.americanthinker.com/blog...s_scandal_timeline_in_spreadsheet_format.html
 

MidnightTide

Inactive
Not really sure how many of you frequent forums with Democrats, but to me many seem ok with whatever Obama does.

Yes, some have woken up, but they are the minority. Most still believe in the HOPE AND CHANGE (and the free stuff)
 

Mzkitty

I give up.
More: Former IRS Commissioner Shulman tells congressional hearing he was not aware of IRS targeting of Tea Party groups in June 2011 - @Reuters

3 mins ago by editor


Former IRS Commissioner Shulman says he was dismayed, saddened by report of conservative group targeting
- @Reuters

4 mins ago by editor


:rolleyes:
 

marsh

On TB every waking moment
They have only scratched the surface. We had a tea party affiliate treated like this in CA. The Obama Admin is a vast corrupt political machine.
 

Betty_Rose

Veteran Member
I was audited in September 2011, and yes, we are outspoken critics of O-bammy. I have a blog where I posted some "impeach obama" stuff.

Coincidental? Who knows. I'm a small fish, but the audit nearly caused my husband to have a stroke. He was out of his mind with grief, worry and upset.

It's horrible. Just horrible.
 

knepper

Veteran Member
A caller to Rush yesterday who worked with political donations said that donations to the Republican Party have dropped off the cliff since the IRS scandal began. Rush made the obvious connection--this solves the mystery of why the REGIME outed the story by planting a question with a friendly reporter. The purpose was to INTIMIDATE REPUBLICAN DONORS. And, it's working.

They don't fear having it come out that they are a lawless Regime. They WANT their enemies (conservatives and those who believe in traditional America) to know it.
 

Mzkitty

I give up.
Internal IRS audit of Tea Party targeting started in March 2012, GOP investigatory panel find - @ReutersPolitics

16 mins ago from twitter.com/ReutersPolitics by editor
 

Mzkitty

I give up.

IRS official will plead Fifth Amendment, refuse to testify
- @TPMLiveWire

8 mins ago from livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com by editor

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IRS Official Lois Lerner Will Plead The 5th Amendment

3:42 PM EDT, Tuesday May 21, 2013

Lois Lerner, the official in charge of the exempt organizations division at center of the targeting scandal plaguing the Internal Revenue Service, plans to invoke the Fifth Amendment, refusing to testify before a House oversight hearing this week.

“She has not committed any crime or made any misrepresentation but under the circumstances she has no choice but to take this course,” an attorney for Lerner told committee Chairman Darrell Issa (R-CA) in a letter obtained Tuesday by the Los Angeles Times.

Since she intends not to answer questions, the letter requests Lerner be exempt from the Wednesday hearing because her appearance would “have no purpose other than to embarrass or burden her.”

Lerner initially revealed during a Q&A session in Washington that Internal Revenue Service agents employed at the Cincinnati branch office improperly scrutinized conservative non-profit groups for additional reviews from 2010 to 2012. Lerner only recently disclosed that the question was planted, however.

Acting IRS Commissioner Steven Miller, who was asked to step down following the controversy, said it was his idea to disclose the information in such a manner.

"I will take responsibility for that," Miller told a congressional hearing on Tuesday. "The entire thing was an incredibly bad idea."

White House press secretary Jay Carney told reporters Monday that senior administration officials did discuss the matter with Treasury officials, but ultimately deferred to the agency as an an inspector general report was not yet complete.

"There were communications with Treasury and [White House] counsel to understand the anticipated timing of the release of the report and the potential findings by the IG," Carney said.

On Tuesday, Carney added that Treasury officials discussed the public rollout with White House staff in more detail. Per Politico:

There was "discussion about the possibility of a speech" by Lois Lerner, who oversaw the IRS's work on tax-exempt groups, Carney said, and conversation about testimony by the acting commissioner of the agency and "what he would say" if asked about the issue.

Mark Childress, a deputy White House chief of staff, was the person who interacted with Treasury, Carney said.

The White House maintains that senior aides, including Chief of Staff Denis McDonough, did not inform President Barack Obama of the impending investigation at the direction of general counsel Kathy Ruemmler, believing it would have been inappropriate before the findings were finalized.

http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/irs-official-lois-lerner-will-plead-5th-amendment
 

Dphintias

Veteran Member
A caller to Rush yesterday who worked with political donations said that donations to the Republican Party have dropped off the cliff since the IRS scandal began. Rush made the obvious connection--this solves the mystery of why the REGIME outed the story by planting a question with a friendly reporter. The purpose was to INTIMIDATE REPUBLICAN DONORS. And, it's working.

They don't fear having it come out that they are a lawless Regime. They WANT their enemies (conservatives and those who believe in traditional America) to know it.

That is chilling and diabolical. And makes perfect sense. I never considered this angle. And I was wondering why on earth the "regime" would out itself. A whistle blower, I could understand but it wasn't that. The goal, I suspect, is to help secure the mid-term elections (by all means possible) and then full steam ahead with completing the agenda. Wow, they're sure on their game.
 
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