ECON More poor live now in suburbs than cities

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/05/20/us-usa-poverty-suburbs-idUSBRE94J0LF20130520


More poor people now live in U.S. suburbs than cities -study
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Newly constructed homes in an unfinished subdivision is surrounded by weeds in Coolidge, Arizona December 6, 2010. REUTERS/Joshua Lott

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WASHINGTON | Mon May 20, 2013 12:55pm EDT

(Reuters) - The number of people living in poverty in U.S. suburbs surpassed the number of poor in cities over the past decade, driven by strong growth in overall suburban populations, according to an analysis released on Monday.

The change is posing a challenge to some traditional U.S. approaches to fighting poverty, which were aimed primarily at poverty in urban settings, the Brookings Institution study found.

The number of poor people living in suburbs rose 64 percent between 2000 and 2011, reaching 16.4 million, it showed. The number of poor people living in urban areas increased 29 percent to 13.4 million.

"Despite the fact that 'poverty in America' still conjures images of inner-city slums, the suburbanization of poverty has redrawn the contemporary American landscape," authors Elizabeth Kneebone and Alan Berube wrote

What does the govt consider the poverty level? What income level? I hear poverty level mentioned but dont hear what that is considered to be.

Urban renewal in the cities is driving the poor into the suburbs. In many cities the downtown and close in areas have been yuppiefied and are home to professionals, doctors and lawyers and gays

You get a few gay couples moving in to the neighborhood and pretty soon the houses start getting remodeled, the yards landscaped, the slums turn into bohemian shops and the property values go up.
I don't care for their lifestyle but I can't argue with what I see.

Welcome to the Wonderful World of he who need not be named's "Fundamental Transformation" of the USA.

Libbybear said:

What does the govt consider the poverty level? What income level? I hear poverty level mentioned but dont hear what that is considered to be.

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The estimates I've read all seem to be around the "24,000 a year "mark and below for poverty level.

This isn't REALLY news, since the NYTimes covered this a year ago...using my church and our food pantry as a leading example.....

My Adonai said:

The estimates I've read all seem to be around the "24,000 a year "mark and below for poverty level.

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It's $11,490 for one and $23,550 for a family of 4.

http://aspe.hhs.gov/poverty/13poverty.cfm#thresholds

Judy

Looks like the poverty guidelines have gotten lower.
http://aspe.hhs.gov/poverty/13poverty.cfm


2013 POVERTY GUIDELINES FOR THE 48 CONTIGUOUS STATES
AND THE DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA

Poverty guideline


For families/households with more than 8 persons, add $4,020 for each additional person.
Persons in family/household
1 ----------$11,490
2------------15,510
3 -----------19,530
4----------- 23,550
5 -----------27,570
6 -----------31,590
7 -----------35,610
8----------- 39,630

nomifyle said:

It's $11,490 for one and $23,550 for a family of 4.

http://aspe.hhs.gov/poverty/13poverty.cfm#thresholds

Judy

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Thanks Judy. I can't imagine one person making it on 11,000 though...housing alone is getting too much, not counting food, utilities, gas and transportation. How do people do it?

The ultimate goal is to drive the people who live in the suburbs into the "stacked and packed" cities so the suburbs can then be turned into "green spaces" - the UN's Agenda 21 is pretty clear on this and the methods to be used.

My Adonai said:

Thanks Judy. I can't imagine one person making it on 11,000 though...housing alone is getting too much, not counting food, utilities, gas and transportation. How do people do it?

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Well, mine is a bit below the poverty level, which is why I have chosen to live in a camper. It gets very tight when I need something extra, but through God's grace I'm chugging alone.

Judy

Gercarson said:

The ultimate goal is to drive the people who live in the suburbs into the "stacked and packed" cities so the suburbs can then be turned into "green spaces" - the UN's Agenda 21 is pretty clear on this and the methods to be used.

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Must not get into the city much.
Most cities are being gentrified and it cost 2 or 3 times or even more, to live there than out in the suburbs.
Now if you look at the residential area right on the outskirts of the cities you will find where all the poor people moved to.

Cities are almost like a target with rings. Dead center and on the border of down town it's expensive as hell to live there. First ring of residential homes where the poor inner city people are being forced to. Next ring of newly built suburbs still home of the middle class. Rural areas are a mix of grinding poverty and well to do people.

nomifyle said:

Well, mine is a bit below the poverty level, which is why I have chosen to live in a camper. It gets very tight when I need something extra, but through God's grace I'm chugging alone.

Judy

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I'm grateful to hear this. Your resilient spirit is a blessing!

My Adonai said:

Thanks Judy. I can't imagine one person making it on 11,000 though...housing alone is getting too much, not counting food, utilities, gas and transportation. How do people do it?

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In our house, two people make it on that much. It can be done with much care and caution.

kyrsyan said:

In our house, two people make it on that much. It can be done with much care and caution.

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I read your blog.
A truly beautiful and inspiring story. Keep it up and hang in there

TerryK said:

Must not get into the city much.
Most cities are being gentrified and it cost 2 or 3 times or even more, to live there than out in the suburbs.
Now if you look at the residential area right on the outskirts of the cities you will find where all the poor people moved to.

Cities are almost like a target with rings. Dead center and on the border of down town it's expensive as hell to live there. First ring of residential homes where the poor inner city people are being forced to. Next ring of newly built suburbs still home of the middle class. Rural areas are a mix of grinding poverty and well to do people.

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“Sustainable development” - will require that the poor who are fleeing the city to return to the smaller, less expensive government funded section 8 housing - near public transportation or within walking distance (or the growing number of "bicycle paths") of work if you can find it and shopping for the few things you will need living in the stack and pack "city". The poor WILL return to the city in this incremental chess game that is being played by the ruling elite. There will always be those who will be able to afford to live in the more expensive areas but you can believe that the UN's Agenda 21 is being lived and breathed right now - I see it in a scary and progressive encroachment into private property every day.

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“Sustainable development” - will require that the poor who are fleeing the city to return to the smaller, less expensive government funded section 8 housing - near public transportation or within walking distance (or the growing number of "bicycle paths") of work if you can find it and shopping for the few things you will need living in the stack and pack "city". The poor WILL return to the city in this incremental chess game that is being played by the ruling elite. There will always be those who will be able to afford to live in the more expensive areas but you can believe that the UN's Agenda 21 is being lived and breathed right now - I see it in a scary and progressive encroachment into private property every day.

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First of all work, at least the work you're talking about if you're talking about the poor, will not be in the cities. Not many low level labor jobs in the city. Most cities today are nothing more than a few stores and many office buildings. Not much work there.

Where are the warehouses and production plants? They are outside of the cities, many around and close to poorer neighborhoods.

The old idea of the poor being stacked and racked in the city is more than a generation or two old. That paradigm is no longer valid.
Most of the factories, warehouses and other production plants are long since moved out of the cities and into the areas 5 to 10 miles out from the center of the cities. As far as public transportation, that mostly extends outwards of 20 to 25 miles from the city center.

Furthermore, I don't subscribe to Agenda 21. It won't be implemented. I and a lot of patriots are more than willing to die to prevent that, or have you already given up?

kyrsyan said:

In our house, two people make it on that much. It can be done with much care and caution.

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God bless, it can be done.

Judy

TerryK said:

I read your blog.
A truly beautiful and inspiring story. Keep it up and hang in there

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Thank you. Trying every day. Spent today truly taking a break. Took child swimming and then for visit to local Botanical Gardens with good friends. I'm so truly blessed that someone got us a membership there and that my child loves the outdoors!

TerryK said:

First of all work, at least the work you're talking about if you're talking about the poor, will not be in the cities. Not many low level labor jobs in the city. Most cities today are nothing more than a few stores and many office buildings. Not much work there.

Where are the warehouses and production plants? They are outside of the cities, many around and close to poorer neighborhoods.

The old idea of the poor being stacked and racked in the city is more than a generation or two old. That paradigm is no longer valid.
Most of the factories, warehouses and other production plants are long since moved out of the cities and into the areas 5 to 10 miles out from the center of the cities. As far as public transportation, that mostly extends outwards of 20 to 25 miles from the city center.

Furthermore, I don't subscribe to Agenda 21. It won't be implemented. I and a lot of patriots are more than willing to die to prevent that, or have you already given up?

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It doesn't make a bit of difference whether you "subscribe" to the UN's Agenda 21 or not. America has been in that pot of water for so long that it doesn't know the water is now boiling.

Krysyan, I read your blog today too...went back a couple of months. Very impressed!

Not just today but tomorrow. This is our future. Third world country is the norm. We will become accustomed to that way of life and it will be accepted over time.

TerryK said:

Urban renewal in the cities is driving the poor into the suburbs. In many cities the downtown and close in areas have been yuppiefied and are home to professionals, doctors and lawyers and gays

You get a few gay couples moving in to the neighborhood and pretty soon the houses start getting remodeled, the yards landscaped, the slums turn into bohemian shops and the property values go up.
I don't care for their lifestyle but I can't argue with what I see.

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I see you've been to Seattle. V

Thanks, MamaTiger. I'm just trying to get from the surviving standpoint to some type of thriving. I'm sure it will happen.

And as far as I'm concerned the rich can have the cities. Cities make me claustrophobic. No room at all. I barely tolerate towns. And if it weren't for the size of the lot where I am I'd probably go crazy. At least it's large enough that I can plant gardens.

My only problem with any concentration, rich or poor, is that they then get to thinking that their way of living is the only way.

But at least if the poor are in the suburbs they can attempt to do things that will help with life, such as growing gardens or raising animals. In the city with no space at all you end up fighting to raise even gardens of any type. And rarely can you raise enough to do more than provide the occasional treat.

And the suburbs have their own section 8 developments. There's a decent size one even in this tiny, blink town. Unfortunately the regulations don't allow them to have gardens. But I doubt the people around them would object if gardens started to pop up. This tiny town is still a farm town at heart. It'll be another decade or so before that changes.

Besides, if you spread them out they lose power and the ability to riot. And things can happen without other similar groups becoming aware of it. Well, if you're my evil kingpin plotting side those would be things to do.