SCI Dark, massive asteroid to fly by Earth on May 31

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Dark, massive asteroid to fly by Earth on May 31

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By Deborah Netburn

May 17, 2013, 7:00 a.m.

It's 1.7 miles long. Its surface is covered in a sticky black substance similar to the gunk at the bottom of a barbecue. If it impacted Earth it would probably result in global extinction. Good thing it is just making a flyby.

Asteroid 1998 QE2 will make its closest pass to Earth on May 31 at 1:59 p.m. PDT.

Scientists are not sure where this unusually large space rock, which was discovered 15 years ago, originated from. But the mysterious sooty substance on its surface could indicate it may be the result of a comet that flew too close to the sun, said Amy Mainzer, who tracks near-Earth objects at Jet Propulsion Laboratory in La Cañada Flintridge. It might also have leaked out of the asteroid belt between the orbits of Mars and Jupiter, she said.

We will know more after the asteroid zips closer to Earth and scientists using the Deep Space Network antenna in Goldstone, Calif., and the Arecibo Observatory in Puerto Rico can get a better look at it. Astronomers at both observatories plan to track it closely from May 30 to June 9, according to a JPL release.

At its closest approach the asteroid will still be 3.6 million miles from our planet (about 15 times the distance between the Earth and the moon), but it will be close enough for these powerful radar antennas to see features as small as 12 feet across.

"With radar we can transform an object from a point of light into a small world with its own characteristics," Lance Benner, JPL's principal investigator for Goldstone radar observations, said in a statement.

There is no chance that asteroid 1998 QE2 could collide with Earth this go-around, and its next close approach won't be until 2119.

Still, Mainzer said the size of the asteroid, and its potential for mass destruction, should remind us that there are some scary things flying around in space.

"This is a really big asteroid, similar in size to the one that killed off the dinosaurs, and it's getting very close to us," she said. "Fortunately we've been tracking its orbit very carefully so we know with great certainty it won't hit us.

"We don't need to panic, but we do need to pay attention," she said.

http://www.latimes.com/news/science/sciencenow/la-sci-sn-asteroid-1998-qe2-20130516,0,548201.story
 

The Mountain

Here since the beginning
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There certainly is that - unless we saw TPTB scurrying to the "continuity of govt" bunkers...

This one's big enough that the only way it can be avoided is to not be here. They'd have to be in orbit, and even then there'd be nothing to come back to.
 

Giskard

Only human
You will recall, the one that his Russia, was going to be a miss as well. If that is a miss, sure hate to see a direct hit!
 

Hacker

Computer Hacking Pirate
You will recall, the one that his Russia, was going to be a miss as well. If that is a miss, sure hate to see a direct hit!

The meteors that hit Russia were being dragged along with (IIRC) a small asteroid. IIRC, it was at a distance closer than the moon is to the Earth.

This is much further away. However, it may be dragging some children that could impact Earth.
 

Giskard

Only human
...and...? This would be my point. Gotta watch out for those hitchhikers. I think you are right there.
 

Publius

On TB every waking moment
Really there is no telling where it came from or what its made of!!! It could be a chunk of an old star that went supper nova billions of years ago and drifted into our solar system.
 

SIRR1

Inactive
The meteors that hit Russia were being dragged along with (IIRC) a small asteroid. IIRC, it was at a distance closer than the moon is to the Earth.

This is much further away. However, it may be dragging some children that could impact Earth.

I thought the Soviet rock was not associated with the one that made the flyby since their approaches toward earth were from two totally different directions, but what do I know!

SIRR1
 

tanstaafl

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Two different objects when the one exploded over Russia. And I have yet to see any credible source say that small asteroids (less than fifty meters) regularly "drag" anything with them.

As for this being "similar in size to the one that killed off the dinosaurs," the Chicxulub asteroid was about 6 miles.
 

bw

Fringe Ranger
Its surface is covered in a sticky black substance similar to the gunk at the bottom of a barbecue.

Be interested to know why they think it's sticky. Seems to me the only way to know that would be to have probed it.
 

The Mountain

Here since the beginning
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Be interested to know why they think it's sticky. Seems to me the only way to know that would be to have probed it.

I think its because they know how dark it is, and therefore know to some extent what the possible surface materials could be. Since they know the texture of such materials, they can extrapolate the consistency of the surface.
 

lassiesma

Inactive
I wish this this kind of stuff would have been taught in school science class instead of memorizing and learning to draw the reproductive system of plants.
 

bw

Fringe Ranger
I think its because they know how dark it is, and therefore know to some extent what the possible surface materials could be. Since they know the texture of such materials, they can extrapolate the consistency of the surface.

Sounds iffy, but it's not my field.
 

tanstaafl

Has No Life - Lives on TB
For what it's worth, I don't think a 1.7 mile object would result in a global mass extinction. Regional extinction certainly, and maybe even continental, but probably not global. Bad weather for awhile, probably, and possibly even widespread crop failures, but the human death toll would depend a lot on exactly how it happened. It partly depends on what type of rock is on the surface where it hits and whether it's an ocean or land strike.

There's some thought now that the huge Chicxulub strike did NOT, in itself, cause the end of the dinosaurs, although the impact may have been the final nail in their coffin. There are a bunch of impact craters on the planet and some of them are HUGE (they keep finding more), but as far as I know only one (Chicxulub) has been linked to a global mass extinction. I think the only other space event linked speculatively to an extinction (the theorized comet explosion over North America that may have killed off the megafauna, which was "just" a regional extinction) didn't kill off all the humans in North America at that time.

My point being, I think the OP article and some of the comments are a bit more alarmist than the size of the object justifies. Call me when its size gets readjusted to 5 miles or bigger.
 

Satanta

Stone Cold Crazy
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Really there is no telling where it came from or what its made of!!! It could be a chunk of an old star that went supper nova billions of years ago and drifted into our solar system.

That or it could be a cluster of Aliens, all balled together like ants during a flood, floating thru space waiting to get close enough to a place FULL of beings needing a face-hug.
 

tanstaafl

Has No Life - Lives on TB
I just watched an old TV show about a comet impacting the Earth. Among other things they talked about speculation concerning Burckle Crater. Burckle Crater (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burckle_Crater) is an undersea feature hypothesized to be an impact crater which is located off the eastern coast of Madagascar (water impact) and it was suggested that it dates to around 2600-2800 BC (as far as I know no one has actually confirmed that). Some (Abbott and Masse) have suggested this was the source of worldwide myths about a Great Flood and that about half the humans on the planet died directly or indirectly from the impact.

The speculated size of the Burckle Crater object was about 3 miles, so assuming both objects are spheres (it's a rare small sized celestial object that is anything approaching a sphere, but it makes the math and the comparison easier to assume they are) here's the related math:

1.7 mile object = 2.57 cubic miles
3.0 mile object = 14.14 cubic miles

The larger object is therefore 5.5 times the size of the smaller object, and presumably the related events for the larger object would be at least five times as bad as for the smaller object (not literally since these things don't work that way, but again it's easier for the comparison).

My point being, even an object (admittedly a hypothesized one) almost twice the size of the 1.7 mile asteroid didn't cause any global extinctions. Probably the ends to various civilizations and especially bad news for anything near the coasts around the Indian Ocean and western Australia, but no extinctions known. I'm not saying we would just shrug this off if it hit, but it's almost certainly NOT a potential extinction level event (ELE).

Or if you're paranoid enough, I could be one of the "disinformation agents" and lying about all of it ... ;)
 

vessie

Has No Life - Lives on TB
"It's 1.7 miles long. Its surface is covered in a sticky black substance similar to the gunk at the bottom of a barbecue."

Oooh... That reminds me of Genesis 19:24 "and the LORD rained down burning asphalt from the skies onto Sodom and Gomorrah." Bitumen being asphalt or 'a sticky black substance similar to the bottom of a barbecue.

Makes one wonder...:hmm: V
 

Hacker

Computer Hacking Pirate
BREAKING NEWS!! NEO ASTEROID DISCOVERED!! 2013 KB!!

This one is within .008 AU for about 25 hours with an orbit uncertainty value of 8 (9 is the most uncertain).

This is also posted in Unexplained. Here: http://www.timebomb2000.com/vb/showthread.php?428626-Clif-Just-Posted-This-Today...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=zcuY65XQqfU


Published on May 17, 2013

Major Earthquake watch! Solar Flare Watch! Geomagnetic storm Warning! Meteor Watch! WW3 Watch! False Flag Watch For US! Martial Law Watch For US! Stay Safe and May God Bless!!
 

Hacker

Computer Hacking Pirate
BREAKING NEWS!! NEO ASTEROID DISCOVERED!! 2013 KB!!

This one is within .008 AU for about 25 hours with an orbit uncertainty value of 8 (9 is the most uncertain).

This is also posted in Unexplained. Here: http://www.timebomb2000.com/vb/showthread.php?428626-Clif-Just-Posted-This-Today...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=zcuY65XQqfU


Published on May 17, 2013

Major Earthquake watch! Solar Flare Watch! Geomagnetic storm Warning! Meteor Watch! WW3 Watch! False Flag Watch For US! Martial Law Watch For US! Stay Safe and May God Bless!!

If they just found this on the 17th, and it's as close as it is, the question then becomes: what have they not yet found?
 

TheSearcher

Are you sure about that?
BREAKING NEWS!! NEO ASTEROID DISCOVERED!! 2013 KB!!

This one is within .008 AU for about 25 hours with an orbit uncertainty value of 8 (9 is the most uncertain).

This is also posted in Unexplained. Here: http://www.timebomb2000.com/vb/showthread.php?428626-Clif-Just-Posted-This-Today...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=zcuY65XQqfU


Published on May 17, 2013

Major Earthquake watch! Solar Flare Watch! Geomagnetic storm Warning! Meteor Watch! WW3 Watch! False Flag Watch For US! Martial Law Watch For US! Stay Safe and May God Bless!!

It gets down to 0.008 AU's, which is is about 750,000 miles. We've closer non-impacts, but I think the guy on the video has a point about it going reeeeeeeaaaalllly slow as it passes by, coupled with a lot of uncertainty with the orbit estimate. It could be pulled in, the inertia to pull by, relative to Earth's orbit, doesn't seem very high.
 

imaginative

keep your eye on the ball
Today is the day she wizzes thru our neighborhood...


Giant asteroid to fly by Earth this afternoon


By Seth Borenstein, THE ASSOCIATED PRESS May 31, 2013 7:07 AM

WASHINGTON — Astronomers getting their first close-up glimpse of a giant asteroid about to whiz by Earth found a surprise bonus rock. A smaller moon asteroid is circling the larger space rock, an unusual but not unheard of space phenomenon.

The larger 1.7 mile-wide rock named Asteroid 1998 QE2 will be the closest to Earth on Friday at 2:59 p.m. Calgary time. Don’t worry, though. It will still be 3.6 million miles away. NASA scientist Paul Chodas (Ch’OH’duhs) said it’s one of the larger asteroids to swing by Earth and is the size of the space rock that wiped out the dinosaurs.

The smaller rock was discovered Wednesday night by astronomers using radar to look at QE2. The moon asteroid is about 2,000 feet wide. That’s about average for such near-Earth objects.

http://www.calgaryherald.com/technology/Giant+asteroid+Earth+this+afternoon/8460777/story.html
 

imaginative

keep your eye on the ball
Approaching Asteroid Has Its Own Moon


May 30, 2013: Approaching asteroid 1998 QE2 has a moon. Researchers found it in a sequence of radar images obtained by the 70-meter Deep Space Network antenna at Goldstone, Calif., on the evening of May 29th (May 30th Universal Time) when the asteroid was about 6 million kilometers from Earth.

The preliminary estimate for the size of the asteroid's satellite is approximately 600 meters wide. The asteroid itself is approximately 2.7 kilometers in diameter and has a rotation period of less than four hours.
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First radar images of asteroid 1998 QE2 were obtained when the asteroid was about 3.75 million miles (6 million kilometers) from Earth. The radar collage covers a little bit more than two hours. Image credit: NASA/JPL-Caltech/GSSR

The radar observations were led by scientist Marina Brozovic of NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory in Pasadena, CA.

These findings show that 1998 QE2 is a binary asteroid. In the near-Earth population, about 16 percent of asteroids that are about 200 meters or larger are binary or triple systems Also revealed in the radar imagery of 1998 QE2 are several dark surface features that suggest large concavities.
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The closest approach of the asteroid occurs on May 31 at 1:59 p.m. Pacific (4:59 p.m. Eastern / 20:59 UTC), when the asteroid will get no closer than about 5.8 million kilometers, or about 15 times the distance between Earth and the Moon. This is the closest approach the asteroid will make to Earth for at least the next two centuries. Asteroid 1998 QE2 was discovered on Aug. 19, 1998, by the Massachusetts Institute of Technology Lincoln Near Earth Asteroid Research (LINEAR) program near Socorro, N.M.

The resolution of these initial images of 1998 QE2 is approximately 75 meters per pixel. Resolution is expected to increase in the coming days as more data become available. Between May 30 and June 9, radar astronomers using the Deep Space Network antenna at Goldstone, Calif., and the Arecibo Observatory in Puerto Rico, will perform an extensive campaign of observations on asteroid 1998 QE2. The two telescopes have complementary imaging capabilities that will enable astronomers to learn as much as possible about the asteroid during its brief visit near Earth.

Stay tuned for updates.

http://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2013/30may_asteroidmoon/
 

imaginative

keep your eye on the ball
Certainly there is no fear mongering here; just an observation of a developing event in our solar system. 5 PM Eastern will be the closest approach and next week ought to be real good viewing for the amateur astronomer.

Could this passing affect EQ potential due to a planetary alignment that is occurring? It is at least something for us to take note of- similar to the Web-bots and the GCE that is/was predicted.
 

Dex

Constitutional Patriot
Depending on the impact location, there is no reason why a COG bunker wouldn't sustain life for several years. Cheyenne Mtn was built to take a direct nuke hit so a hit elsewhere in the world is not likely to disable it.
 

tanstaafl

Has No Life - Lives on TB
... and is the size of the space rock that wiped out the dinosaurs.

*$&%@!*& ... *$&%@!*& ... *$&%@!*& ... *$&%@!*& ... *$&%@!*& ... *$&%@!*& ... *$&%@!*& ...

It is NOT the same #$%&*! size at all! The Chicxulub meteorite was about 6 miles across, whereas this one is "only" about 1.7 miles across. Several different methods have been used to estimate the size of the "dinosaur killer" (and that moniker is still in dispute) and all have closely agreed as to the size (in case anyone is wondering how they know the size of something that was completely destroyed 65 million years ago). Amy Mainzer is seriously cute (smoking hot when compared to the average frumpy female scientist) and the science shows on TV love to film her talking about science in ways children can understand, but she was WRONG. Or they quoted her wrong/badly, which could easily be the case since the OP very specifically quoted her as saying "similar in size" rather than "the same size." Which I interpreted to mean she was lumping them in the same category (bigger than a breadbox or a car or a football stadium but smaller than a planet) rather than making a strict comparison in size. Even so, she's worked with enough of them to know that non-science reporters and the media in general are morons, and given any chance to misunderstand (deliberately or by ignorance) in favor of making the story "sexier" they very likely will do so.
 

imaginative

keep your eye on the ball
Amy Mainzer is seriously cute (smoking hot when compared to the average frumpy female scientist) and the science shows on TV love to film her talking about science in ways children can understand, but she was WRONG.

Are you contradicting Amy? You just want to stay after class, dontcha?

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tanstaafl

Has No Life - Lives on TB
To specify what I mean by "NOT the same #$%&*! size at all," let's do the math assuming the objects in questions are spheres (they're not, but it makes the math easier).

1.7 miles = 2.57 cubic miles
6.0 miles = 113.10 cubic miles

Now tell me how something about 1/50th the size of the other is "the same size."

And yes, Amy can do just about anything she wants with me. Except that the latest show I saw her in, she was wearing a ring on that key finger of the left hand. Although I'm not sure I care.
 

Ben Sunday

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Within the OP:


Asteroid 1998 QE2 will make its closest pass to Earth on May 31 at 1:59 p.m. PDT.


At its closest approach the asteroid will still be 3.6 million miles from our planet (about 15 times the distance between the Earth and the moon),

That would be one minute before 5pm on the east coast.

Just bringing some of the pieces together.
 

Aardaerimus

Anunnaku
Be interested to know why they think it's sticky. Seems to me the only way to know that would be to have probed it.

Me, too! I dunno why this assertion annoys me so much.

Unless they have actually touched/sampled the surface it's absurd to say, "It's black, and therefore sticky."

Just goes to show that the derpy masses will thoughtlessly consume whatever they're repeatedly told is true.
 

packyderms_wife

Neither here nor there.
I thought the Soviet rock was not associated with the one that made the flyby since their approaches toward earth were from two totally different directions, but what do I know!

SIRR1

You would be correct. The one that hit Russia was missed from the get go because everyone was focused on the other rock that was doing a fly by.
 
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