WTF?!? "Irrelevant Fact' Where President Was During Benghazi"

nomifyle

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Obama aide Dan Pfeiffer said it's an "irrelevant fact" where the president physically was during the Benghazi terror attack on September 11, 2012.

Host Chris Wallace reminds Pfeiffer that Obama didn't really talk with Secretary Clinton, Secretary Panetta, or Martin Dempsey, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, that night. "He was talking to his national security staff," Pfeiffer insists.

Asked about whether the president entered the Situation Room, Pfeiffer says, "I don't remember what room the president was in on that night, and that's a largely irrelevant fact."

Pfeiffer then argues that Wallace's questions about the president's handling of the Benghazi terror attack are "offensive."

http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs...ident-was-during-benghazi-attacks_724882.html

Offensive my ass, he's the president and he should be at attention during a crisis.

Judy
 

GingerN

Veteran Member
IRRELEVANT?!!! Good grief-the man's job title is Commander in Chief. How in the world are you supposed to COMMAND if you are not there???? Oh wait...he has never served, nor has he run a business, nor been accountable.

How is it offensive that we ask questions? I can see if a tone was ugly but assuming the tone was neutral, no question should be off limits about this.
 

dstraito

TB Fanatic
Not knowing, but if I was to guess I would say at a fund raiser giving a speech, playing golf or basketball, or on vacation
 

WalknTrot

Veteran Member
I saw parts of that interview this morning (between pixel breakups from rainy, foggy weather on crummy gov't sponsored antenna-broadcast HDTV).

Anyway...that guy was scary. I have no clue who he was...never seen or heard of him before, but he was a horrible representative. He talked too fast, looked scared out of his wits, and generally acted like he had ingested an overdose of some kind of controlled substance. If that's the best that the BHO Administration can do to defend themselves and their actions, they are in deep doo-doo.
 

Sasquatch

Veteran Member
If Pfeiffer's had half a brain his meaning would have been....
it's a fact, "the president is irrelevant."
 

Gercarson

Veteran Member
This is the tactic that is going to be predominant - it won't be long before the great unwashed will start complaining about the GOP harassing the president about "nothing" because at this point "What difference does it make?".
 

FloridaDog

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Where the President physically was during the attack is to me irrelevant. With today's technology, there are plenty of tools available for a President to carry on 100% of his duties regardless of where he is physically located during any crisis. To me, the question is why didn't he do something.
 

Publius

On TB every waking moment
Where the President physically was during the attack is to me irrelevant. With today's technology, there are plenty of tools available for a President to carry on 100% of his duties regardless of where he is physically located during any crisis. To me, the question is why didn't he do something.


He did do something! He ordered the closest military units that could have saved them to stand down and allowing the enemy to have their way with our people.
 

Bubble Head

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Only the President of the United States can order a Cross Boarder Operation. That is not irrelevant that is the law. He watched the firefight from the situation room at the WH and calmly went to bed while they died. He never gave the order.
 

Terriannie

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He didn't have to be there. The question should be, was Valerie Jarrett called in to be there? She's the one making the decisions!!
 

the watcher

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A fact lost on most. This happened during the night over there. People here could watch it happen live on their bigscreens in the WH, while having bagels and coffee.
 

tiger13

Veteran Member
Gut instinct tells me, he was in bed with someone other than his wife and didn't want to be bothered.

He has no wife, he has a beard, he is a queer. And everyone in the world, beyond a doubt knows this. Why they bother to even keep up the charade of a "wife" is beyond me. Just roll out the pink triangles for the new Presidential seal and be done with it. The man is so flaming queer he is on fire!
 

Zulu Cowboy

Keep It Real...
He did do something! He ordered the closest military units that could have saved them to stand down and allowing the enemy to have their way with our people.

Exactly...in fact, Obama is the ONLY person in the chain of command who had the authority to tell those Seals to 'stand down'...once our Ambassador had put out the call for help. This is why Obama's 'handlers' are pushing the lie, that the president's whereabouts during Benghazi are 'irrelevant'. Because this is the smoking gun, which could in fact...destroy his presidency! High crimes and misdemeanors?? Hell...this is murder... ~
This is why TPTB had to throw the press such juicy bones like the AP wiretap scandal, and the IRS/tea party debacle...they were getting too close to the truth! They needed something...ANYTHING...that could divert the public's short attention span, away from the damning testimony given at the Benghazi hearings. They needed to put the spotlight on something else, to take some of the heat off of Obama's involvement in all of this. Then they trot out these spin doctors like Dan Pfeiffer, to downplay the president's involvement in Benghazi as 'irrelevant'? When in fact, it cuts to the very heart of the matter. People need to be asking WHY??? Why did Obama order that rescue mission scrubbed? (Remember, he is the only one as Commander in Chief, with the authority to do that...so WHY)?? Why did he allow US Ambassador Stevens, and those 3 other men to be killed? What were they doing there at that CIA annex, that could have been so embarrassing to the President...with only 2 weeks left to go before the election? :shr: Why was the FBI prevented from even stepping foot on the site of the massacre for a full 17 days? Why obstruct the investigation for so long? Was Ambassador Stevens helping to facilitate the illegal transfer of shoulder fired, anti-aircraft missiles from Libya to Al Queda backed Islamic militants in Syria, to fight against Bashar al Assad? Will these weapons end up taking down some American or European airliners in the near future? THESE are the questions the American people, and our representatives should now be asking. Because the answers could very well lead to the impeachment of this President... ~
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Zulu Cowboy


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http://www.defensenews.com/article/...0009/U-S-Still-Hunting-Missing-Libyan-MANPADS

U.S. Still Hunting for Missing Libyan MANPADS
Feb. 2, 2012 - 05:38PM | By KATE BRANNEN

The U.S. State Department believes the majority of the anti-aircraft missiles that went missing when Moammar Gadhafi’s regime was defeated are still in Libya.

However, while there is no definitive evidence that any of the weapons left the country, the U.S. government is not ruling out that possibility, according to Andrew Shapiro, assistant secretary of state for political-military affairs.

“We believe the vast majority still remain in Libya,” Shapiro said Feb. 2, speaking at an event at the Stimson Center in Washington.

The U.S. State Department has led a multilateral effort to track down, secure and destroy the shoulder-fired anti-aircraft missiles, which Gadhafi stockpiled in the thousands.

The weapons, also called man-portable air defense systems, or MANPADS, pose a threat to commercial and military aircraft worldwide. The real concern for the United States is that the weapons could fall into the hands of terrorists.

It’s believed Gadhafi had an estimated 20,000 MANPADS when his regime collapsed, posing a “major proliferation challenge,” Shapiro said.

To date, about 5,000 MANPADS have been identified, recovered and secured, Shapiro said.

“We don’t know and probably will never know” how many MANPADS are still missing, he said...(snip)..."

"...(snip)...To mitigate the risk of MANPADS that may have left Libya, the United States and other nations are working with countries in the region to improve border control and aviation security.

The United States has pledged $40 million toward securing Libyan arms. The United Kingdom is contributing 1 million pounds ($1.58 million); the Netherlands, 900,000 euros ($1.2 million); Germany, 750,000 euros; and Canada is providing 1.6 million Canadian dollars ($1.6 million).

There have been reports that some of these funds could go toward buying MANPADS from the militia groups in Libya.

Shapiro said he would not comment on any acquisition program, but added the State Department is looking at every possible tool to secure the weapons."

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Then there is this article dated 28 November 2012...(a mere 3 weeks after the US presidential elections).

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/nov/28/syria-middleeast
Arms and the Manpads: Syrian rebels get anti-aircraft missiles
The shooting down of a government plane outside Aleppo could mark a turning point in the conflict

Just as the clamour for supplying the Syrian opposition with sophisticated new weapons looked to be reaching a tipping point in the Gulf and the west, the rebels have clearly got hold of some arms of their own.

A video of a government gunship being brought down by a missile outside Aleppo, a first for the rebels, emerged at the same time as European diplomats agreed to change the terms of the EU arms embargo on Syria. From Saturday, it will be rolled over for only three months, signalling to President Bashar al-Assad that weapons deliveries to the rebels could start at short notice if the aerial bombardment of rebel-held areas continues.

"This sends a strong message to the regime that all options remain on the table and makes clear the need for real change. The regime's indiscriminate use of violence against their people will not be ignored," a Foreign Office spokesman said.

The warning came as the rebels' principal backers, in the Gulf, Saudi Arabia and Qatar, have been chafing ever more loudly against the US veto on supplies of sophisticated, potentially decisive weapons such as shoulder-launched anti-aircraft missiles (widely known as Manpads – an acronym for man-portable air-defence systems) to the rebels.

The US veto was motivated principally by the fear of such a weapon falling into the hands of a jihadist group that would then use it to bring down a civilian airliner, as al-Qaida tried to do with an Israeli plane in Mombasa in December 2002. Some in the Gulf states have argued that there are precautions that could be taken against such proliferation. But until now, they have stuck by the ban.

"We did this as a favour to Obama," a Gulf source said. "But now Obama has been re-elected, there is a question of whether we should still be bound by such an undertaking." Shoulder-launched missiles could be bought in Pakistan or in Africa, the source added.

So far, there is no evidence that any of the ground-to-air missiles used to date have come from outside Syria, according to Peter Bouckaert. Emergencies director for Human Rights Watch.

"Everything we have seen so far has been captured from Syrian army bases. We have kept a close watch on what has been coming out of Libya but we have seen no surface-to-air missiles from there used in Syria," Bouckaert said. :rolleyes: (How can he tell the difference? :shr: Short answer...you can't)! :lol:

Videos and witness accounts suggest that the rebels have seized SA-7 missiles, a Soviet-era weapon, and the later version, the SA-16. They have also shown off training versions of a state-of-the-art Russian-made SA-24, which like its predecessor uses heatseeking guidance systems.

Over the past 10 years, Damascus has tried to buy SA-24s from Russia but there has been no hard evidence it succeeded. The silver-coloured training versions spotted so far could have been demonstration models or part of a bigger package that may have included live missiles.

Matt Schroeder, of the Federation of American Scientists, said: "If so, that would be the first time we have seen the SA-24 in the hands of a non-state actor. Once weapons like this get outside the control of government, it is difficult to stop them spreading."

Rebel acquisition of significant numbers of such missiles would neutralise the government's air superiority and consolidate the rebel hold of a strip of northern Syria. It could prove to be a tipping point in the conflict, and a terrorist concern for years to come. According to one estimate, there are still 600 Stinger missiles, the US equivalent to the SA-7, unaccounted for from the CIA-backed mujahideen war against the Soviet army in Afghanistan.

"What is striking is that almost immediately, they were diverted," Schroeder said. "Some were seized by the Soviets, and Stingers were acquired by the Iranians within a year."

Experts are doubtful about some of the precautions suggested by the Gulf states. The argument that the battery eventually expires, thereby robbing the SA-7 of its guidance system, has been undermined by the experience in Libya, where decades-old weapons appeared to function perfectly. The idea of doling them out in small batches to trusted rebel commanders and only providing more once they have been accounted for, by the return of used missile-tubes for example, was tried unsuccessfully by the mujahideen's Pakistani handlers in the 1980s.

"The problem is, once you set this genie out of the bag it is much harder to control," Bouckaert says. "There are very grave risks. It is the number-one weapon on the terrorist shopping list."

*Note: This is EXACTLY why they are trying so hard to cover things up, about Obama's involvement in the Benghazi affair...IMHO. ~

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DHR43

Since 2001
Obama aide Dan Pfeiffer said it's an "irrelevant fact" where the president physically was during the Benghazi terror attack on September 11, 2012.

True.

See below:
 

Bumblepuff

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Not knowing, but if I was to guess I would say at a fund raiser giving a speech, playing golf or basketball, or on vacation

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Barry checks his back to make sure he won't be penalized by a Benghazi bogey
and jeopardize his golf handicap which he prefers to call his 'mulligan challenge'.
Luckily he can get away with it on this link because his Secret Service agents are
preoccupied by monitoring a furious cursing greenskeeper who is running after
a chuckling groundhog driving a stolen golf cart straight across the next fairway.
 

nomifyle

TB Fanatic
VJ is the one who makes the decisions in this presidency, but it is relevant where the figure head was. He had appearances to keep up and he didn't do that. He's a POS and VJ is evil.

Judy
 

Housecarl

On TB every waking moment
Where the President physically was during the attack is to me irrelevant. With today's technology, there are plenty of tools available for a President to carry on 100% of his duties regardless of where he is physically located during any crisis. To me, the question is why didn't he do something.

Very true and makes this even more a WTF situation.
 

Fred's Horseradish

Membership Revoked
Only the President of the United States can order a Cross Boarder Operation. That is not irrelevant that is the law. He watched the firefight from the situation room at the WH and calmly went to bed while they died. He never gave the order.

He needed that rest in order to play golf the next day.
 

ncmissouri

Veteran Member
I hope this is as bad as it gets. Seriously. The president is a photo-op kind of guy. Shallow as they come. What a pity.
 

the watcher

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It started at 9:42 PM Benghazi time which is 3:42 PM DC time.

Timeline of attacks; all times listed in Benghazi time.

http://www.cnn.com/2012/11/09/world/africa/libya-benghazi-timeline

Hicks and two other State Department witnesses shed little new light on the key questions at issue in the hearing: whether there was anything more the U.S. military could have done to thwart the attack and whether the Obama administration intentionally misled the American people when officials initially said the attacks stemmed from a protest.

An independent review board has concluded that neither charge is true, but the Republican-controlled House is pressing on with investigations, with particular interest in the role of former Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton, who may run for president in 2016.

Hicks testified that he received a phone call in Tripoli, Libya, from Clinton about 2 a.m. during the crisis. "Secretary of State Clinton called me, along — and along with her senior staff, were all on the phone. And she asked me what was going on. And I briefed her on developments," Hicks said.
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationw...nghazi-hearing-20130509,7923212,1861141.story

This thing lasted for over 6 hours. They watched on the drone live feed while they had breakfast.
 

Garryowen

Deceased
Only the President of the United States can order a Cross Boarder Operation. That is not irrelevant that is the law. He watched the firefight from the situation room at the WH and calmly went to bed while they died. He never gave the order.
The story I read was that a General Hamm was removed from command, as he was sending a relief force to the aid of our people. It seems that someone had to be ordering a stand down for that to happen.
 

the watcher

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The story I read was that a General Hamm was removed from command, as he was sending a relief force to the aid of our people. It seems that someone had to be ordering a stand down for that to happen.

I also heard something along these lines. But slightly more detailed, he was relieved by his XO, after him being denied TWICE, two seperate calls, the ok to send in a team. He was relieved AT GUNPOINT. Someone had to give the XO these orders....I heard Hamm even pleaded with the XO to do this.
 

knepper

Veteran Member
He was crafting the lie that he and Hillary floated the next day about the phony demonstration over the obscure video. Saving his political bacon was the only thing that mattered to him--the lives of the 4 who died, and those others who might have died if not for the courageous sacrifice of the Seals who disobeyed the order to stand down meant less than nothing to him.
This reminds me of Teddy Kennedy spending the time when he could have been rescuing Mary Jo working on how he could lie his way out of the scandal. Only much, much worse.
 

Zulu Cowboy

Keep It Real...
I also heard something along these lines. But slightly more detailed, he was relieved by his XO, after him being denied TWICE, two seperate calls, the ok to send in a team. He was relieved AT GUNPOINT. Someone had to give the XO these orders....I heard Hamm even pleaded with the XO to do this.

There is only ONE person in the military chain of command, who has the authority to give that kind of an order...the Commander in Chief.

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Zulu Cowboy
 

TheSearcher

Are you sure about that?
Obama aide Dan Pfeiffer said it's an "irrelevant fact" where the president physically was during the Benghazi terror attack on September 11, 2012.

Host Chris Wallace reminds Pfeiffer that Obama didn't really talk with Secretary Clinton, Secretary Panetta, or Martin Dempsey, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, that night. "He was talking to his national security staff," Pfeiffer insists.

Asked about whether the president entered the Situation Room, Pfeiffer says, "I don't remember what room the president was in on that night, and that's a largely irrelevant fact."

Pfeiffer then argues that Wallace's questions about the president's handling of the Benghazi terror attack are "offensive."

http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs...ident-was-during-benghazi-attacks_724882.html

Offensive my ass, he's the president and he should be at attention during a crisis.

Judy

You know, we have cameras installed all over the Houston metro area, cameras in the LEO vehicles, and all sorts of government paperwork that demands to know where you live and work, so the goverment requires us to identify ourselves and our location for even the most mundane of activity. But we have the US Embassador to Libya and some of his staff murdered, and it is somehow offensive to ask where the CIC was when it was occurring? Excuse me?!

WTF?
 

Blastoff

Veteran Member
Obama aide Dan Pfeiffer said it's an "irrelevant fact" where the president physically was during the Benghazi terror attack on September 11, 2012

The left sure made a lot of hay regarding where Bush was on 9/11/2001.

'Course we have plenty of photos showing us where Bush was.....
 
"..."Irrelevant Fact' Where President Was During Benghazi"..."


Hmmm - does that not imply that he who need not be named IS HIMSELF IRRELEVANT?
 
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