ECON Cyprus enters "deal" with EU/IMF to confiscate a "tax" from depositers bank accounts!!!

Countrymouse

Country exile in the city
A 'Fair Way of Sharing the Burden'

Cypriot Finance Minister Michalis Sarris said he hoped for a fresh start for Cyprus
following the bailout. "It's not a pleasant outcome, especially for the people
involved," he said. "This is a once and for all levy." He added that the tax would be a
"very fair way of sharing the burden." He also said it had been necessary to "protect
the general welfare of the people and the stability of the system".

Uh-huh.

Maybe I can convince Cyprus to buy this wonderful ocean-side property I have in Arizona as an "investment". /sarcasm

Oh---O needs to take note of the above---he won't even NEED to write his speech when the time comes to implement the same to shore up the bankrupt US economy---Sarris has already written it for him.
 

Countrymouse

Country exile in the city
Remember this number - if you had exactly $100,000 in the bank, they stole $6,750.00 from you. That's a lot of food and bill money. That was YOUR MONEY, and they just swooped in and stole it.


Deposits in Cypriot banks will be hit with a one-off levy of 6.75 per cent with those with over €100,000 in banks hit with a 9.9 per cent levy under the €10 billion bailout proposal.

Question---

does this --- YET --- apply also to INVESTORS' equity in their various INVESTMENTS in stocks / bonds? Or only to BANK accounts?

Want to guess how long it will be before a new "levy" will be imposed on the amount of PRINCIPAL represented by investments in stocks and bonds?

And "one-time levy" my Great Aunt Sally....
 

Countrymouse

Country exile in the city
A real shit storm is coming right now in euroland. The bank runs will be over by 10 AM because there wont be any euros left. Then it will spread thru euroland. In less than 2 weeks it may very well hit here.

I suspect that this may very well be one of those events that people look back on as a watershed event

Didn't David Wilkerson predict JUST such a scenario?

I think he even listed the "two week" window as being the amount of time it would take for the financial meltdown (which would begin in a foreign country or area) to come to the US....

I"ll try to find it...
 

Countrymouse

Country exile in the city
Ok, here's the David Wilkerson prophecy re Economic Collapse: (aka "Six Months of Horror")--

Prophecy: Six Months of HORROR [When US Economy Crashes]
[link to www.markswatson.com]


David Wilkerson's Economic Vision

Key points to remember about this vision:


1. From the time the first country goes down, you'll have two weeks to get your money out of the bank.


2. America will come through this crisis---there will be a restoration.


3. But the nation will never be like it was before...


4. God is saying: Get our lives straight...Get rid of the idols...Seek the face of God in holiness...


5. God will be a wall of fire about you...And the glory in the midst of you!


It's about to happen---very soon, one nation, and I'm speaking prophetically--if I've ever heard anything from God in my life, I heard it ... Very soon a European or North African or Eastern nation is going to default on its international loan and when that happens, within two weeks, Mexico is going to default. Mexico owes $100 billion ---80% of it to American banks---and here's what is going to happen: about two weeks after the first country goes bankrupt, (we're going to survive that, because most of that (money of the first country) is owed to European banks---German, Swiss and French banks) but a second country is going to go down, probably Argentina or Brazil, and we'll kind of live that down and say: "Well, maybe it's not going to hurt," but two weeks after the first country goes down, Mexico's going to default on $100 billion.

And when the banks open the next day at 9 in the morning, $15 billion an hour is going to be withdrawn from our American banks -they're going to be running our banks---the Arabs---all the Latin American countries, they're going to be running our banks--and before the day is over, the U.S.A is going to have to declare a "bank holiday."


SIX MONTHS OF HORROR:

And we're going into six months of the worst hell America has ever seen---there's going to be chaos---not even the National Guard's going to be able to quiet it down---we're going to have to call out the whole U.S. Army.

Now I've had visions recently, for I've been in New York City and I was in Macy's in a vision, and I saw people walking around stunned because they couldn't get their money out of the bank.

Now I'm going to give you a word of advice, the first country goes bankrupt---I've documented this and I've got it sealed in an envelope, and I'm going to call all my friends and I'm telling you---this is the first time I've said it in a public meeting like this---but the first country that bellies up, you go get every dime you have---church get your money out of the bank--because there's going to be a 'bank holiday' and you won't be able to get a dime for six months. Now, of course, there's going to be -restored, but the nation will never be like it is again.

There's going to be fear like we've never known---judgment at the door. When I was at Macy's Dept. store in a vision and I watched people walking around stunned, they didn't know what to do, they didn't know what was happening; then a bunch of people walked into Macy's and suddenly went wild and began to steal and within an hour everybody---I saw the spirit of everybody in the store---they were robbing and stealing---they raped Macy's and destroyed five floors---Macy's was raped and ruined in a period of an hour or two.

That's just the beginning. Folks it's all in this book (the bible) ---we've been warned and warned and warned---you can't tell me God hasn't warned us. You can't tell me God isn't saying something awesome here tonight in this church...we better get our prayer life straightened up, our lives straightened up, get rid of the idols, as Paul writes, and seeking the face of God in holiness or you're not going to be ready for what's coming. God's warning, get ready and you'll not fear these things that come onto you and you'll start rejoicing, you'll not be afraid because your hands will be clean. You've been praying and God's building a wall of fire around you to keep you."

We'd like to teach you a song about God's protection. It goes like this.: "There's a wall of fire around me...There's a wall of fire between my soul and the enemy. There's a wall of fire that you can't see...Between my soul and the enemy. There's a wall of fire around me. May it be so with us all..."


http://www.markswatson.com/6moshorror.html

Which is interesting, because of a "dream" I had last Monday night (I think it was) & posted on the "dream" thread somebody started---

In which a stranger I'd never seen before suddenly grabs me by the shoulders in a drug store as I'm waiting to pick up a prescription, and tells me to "GET READY! The economy is about to collapse!" -- and I treated it (in the dream) as sort of the ravings of a wild-eyed madman and skeptically asked, "Ok....when? A year from now?"---to which the stranger just made a sneering face, as if he were saying, 'Are you really that stupid?' and so I asked, "Ok....one week? Two weeks? A day?"--- and he leaned closer to me so only I heard him and said, "Closer to two weeks than one, but very soon---very soon! Get READY!"

...and then I woke up.

I have NEVER had a dream like that before.
 
I now see how easily the people can be manipulated into DEMANDING a new global financial system.
Worldwide
Safe
Fair
Your money is good in every country, no wild swings of currency devaluations.
No cross border arbitrage of rates.
Just hold out your arm for a second, this new security chip won't hurt a bit...

OK Doomer Doug, you can flesh in the rest of the details...
 

Tristan

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This is why I only keep $20 in the bank after the bills are paid, I don't trust the government or the banks. The bills are all paid the same day the money goes into the account. After the bills are paid I withdraw all but the $20.

Seems completely sensible now, doesn't it?
 

Countrymouse

Country exile in the city
May as well throw another piece of info into the ring:

Ya'll remember that barefooted man in sackcloth that was in St. Peter's Square during the Conclave?

Seems he's the well-educated son (partially in a university here in the US) of an Italian author, who renounced the world some years ago to live in poverty as did St. Francis, and who is calling for reform from within of the RC church.

He's written 2 books---both of which contain his testimony as to VISIONS he has received on the coming "Economic Collapse" in Europe and the world.

According to this info, he foresaw the earthquake that severely damaged a church in Assissi, and has received the following regarding financial collapse to come:


Fourty-one years ago, hunting on the Trasimeno Lake, a man of the land of Assisi saw "something"...
The writer and journalist Guido Ceronetti reported the fact in an extensive article on this man, of which he wrote among other things: "...turning over the pages of the smoking prophecies of Marcello, white beard, human warmth..."; unequivocal prophecies, as the one about the earthquake in Assisi; or the other, also dated 1995, concerning the collapse of the world economy with all its dramatic social and political consequences, that amongsy other things announced in advance: "...manufacturers, business-men and stylists will be confused and will turn pale. The economy will collapse and the workmen will be dismayed..."; and also foretold tragic humanitarian catastrophes and masses of refugees in various parts of the world: "Oh, I see a caravan of refugees in mourning, sick, injured, hanged... Bring water ! Bring bread to the refugees! so that they don't languish and die."

http://www.iaca.it/divulgation.htm

As others have noted, very, VE-RY interesting couple of weeks ahead...
 

doctor_fungcool

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BEWARE: A SH*@ Storm Cometh: This Could Spread Quickly-Bankruns in Cyprus

Late last night, after markets closed for the weekend, following an extended discussion the European finance ministers announced their "bailout" solution for Russian oligarch depositor-haven Cyprus: a €13 billion bailout (Europe's fifth) with a huge twist: the implementation of what has been the biggest taboo in European bailouts to date - the impairment of depositors, and a fresh, full blown escalation in the status quo's war against savers everywhere.

http://www.zerohedge.com

Specifically, Cyprus will impose a levy of 6.75% on deposits of less than €100,000 - the ceiling for European Union account insurance, which is now effectively gone following this case study - and 9.9% above that. The measures will raise €5.8 billion, Dutch Finance Minister Jeroen Dijsselbloem, who leads the group of euro-area ministers, said.

But it doesn't stop there: a partial "bail-in" of junior bondholders is also possible, as for the first time ever the entire liability structure of a European bank - even if it is a Cypriot bank - is open season for impairments. The logical question: why here, and why now? And what happens when the Cypriot bank run that has taken the country by storm this morning spreads everywhere else, now that the scab over Europe's biggest festering wound is torn throughout the periphery as all the other PIIGS realize they too are expendable on the altar of mollifying voters and investors in the other countries that make up Europe's disunion.

Bloomberg's take on the sacrifice of Cyprus' savers:

Officials have struggled to find an agreement that would rescue Cyprus, which accounts for just half of a percent of the euro region’s economy, without unsettling investors in larger countries and sparking a new round of market contagion. Policy makers began meeting at 5 p.m. yesterday in a hastily convened gathering, seeking to overcome differences on bondholder losses while financial markets were closed.



“Further measures concern the increase of the withholding tax on capital income, a restructuring and recapitalisation of banks, an increase of the statutory corporate income tax rate and a bail-in of junior bondholders,” according to a communique released by ministers after the talks. It didn’t specify whether bank or sovereign bond holders could be affected.



The European Central Bank will use its existing facilities to make funds available to Cypriot banks as needed to counter potential bank runs. Depositors will receive bank equity as compensation.



Finance Minister Michael Sarris said the plan was the “least onerous” of the options Cyprus faced to stay afloat.



“It’s not a pleasant outcome, especially of course for the people involved,” said Sarris. The Cypriot parliament will convene tomorrow to vote on legislation needed for the bailout.

Needless to say, the locals are delighted:

In the coastal town of Larnaca, where irate depositors queued early to withdraw money from cash machines, co-op credit societies that are normally open on Saturdays stayed closed.


You can get a small number of free pages from BankRegData so be sure to check out your bank to make sure they are properly managed. They limit views by IP I believe, so hit the library or work or your friends WiFi if you need more. I found that printing pages to PDF was very helpful since I often ran out of page views when bouncing around.
 

doctor_fungcool

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This Crazy Cyprus Deal Could Screw Up A Lot More Than Cyprus...
Henry Blodget | Mar. 16, 2013, 9:09 PM | 16,715 | 106


http://www.businessinsider.com/cyprus-bailout-risks-europe-bank-runs-2013-3
Bank run




You can be forgiven for thinking that you don't need to give a hoot about what's going on in Cyprus this weekend.

After all, it's just a little island somewhere in the Mediterranean.

But what's going on in Cyprus could actually matter--not just to the rest of Europe, but to the rest of the world.

Here's the short version of what's happening:

Cyprus's banks, like many banks in Europe, are bankrupt.

Cyprus went to the Eurozone to get a bailout, the same way Ireland, Greece, and other European countries have.

The Eurozone powers-that-be gave Cyprus a bailout--but with a startling condition that has never before been imposed on any major banking system since the start of the global financial crisis in 2008.

The Eurozone powers-that-be (mainly, Germany) insisted that the depositors in Cyprus's banks pay part of the tab.

Not the bondholders.

The depositors. The folks who had their money in the banks for safe-keeping.

When Cyprus's banks reopen on Tuesday morning, every depositor will have some of his or her money seized. Accounts under 100,000 euros will have 6.75% of the funds seized. Accounts over 100,000 euros will have 9.9% seized. And then the Eurozone's emergency lending facility and the International Monetary Fund will inject 10 billion euros into the banks to allow them to keep operating.

cyprus

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Cyprus's government tried to explain this deal by observing that it was better than the alternative: Immediate bankruptcy and closure of the major banks. In that scenario, depositors would lose a lot more of their money. Businesses would go bankrupt. And tens of thousands of people would be instantly thrown out of work.

But, still, not surprisingly, news that deposits in Cyprus's banks would be seized triggered an immediate run on the banks.

Depositors rushed to ATMs and tried to withdraw their money before it could be seized.

But the ATMs weren't working. And the government has now made it impossible to transfer money out of the country.

So, assuming Cyprus's government approves the deal (still pending), depositors will have some of their money seized on Tuesday morning.

Now, half of these depositors are said to be Russian oligarchs and other non-residents. And unless you happen to have the misfortune of having an account in a Cyprus bank, you may not care much whether these depositors have their money seized.

After all, that was the risk they took for storing their money in bankrupt banks, right?

Well, yes, that was the risk they took.

But ever since the Great Depression wiped out a big percentage of the world's banks, vaporizing the bank depositors' savings in the process, banking system regulators have tried to do everything they can to protect bank depositors.

And they are smart to do so.

Because the moment depositors think that there is risk to their savings, they rush to banks to yank their money out.

That's called a run on the bank.

And since no bank anywhere has enough cash on hand to pay off all its depositors at once, runs on the bank cause banks to go bust.

That's what happened to hundreds of banks in the Great Depression.

And it's what happened to Bear Stearns, Lehman Brothers, and other huge banks during the financial crisis (though, with Bear and Lehman, the folks who yanked their money out weren't mom and pop depositors but other big financial institutions). It's what threatened to bring the entire U.S. financial system to its knees. And it's why the US and European governments have been frantically bailing out banks ever since.

But now, thanks to Eurozone's bizarre decision in Cyprus, the illusion that depositors don't need to yank their money out of threatened banks because they'll be protected has been shattered.

Depositors in Cyprus banks will lose some of their deposits.

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Over the years, I've posted more than a few warnings, alerts, and heads up. However, this particular warning, in my opinion, ranks in the top five of all the alerts I've ever posted. Why? This bank run in Cyprus could easily spread when and if folks get twitchy.....which, in my book, they already are (twitchy that is).

I believe that TPTB know what's coming. They've been preparing for a collapse for quite a while now. This Cyprus 'event' is merely the first shot across the bow from the IMF and world banking community to the world's citizens.. When and if the American public even gets a small wiff of what's happening in Europe, how will they react?

Three guesses......

What about Washington D.C.? My opinion is that they are scared &^%$#.......no doubt about it.
 
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Marthanoir

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It's going to be interesting to see what kind of damage control the various governments pull to stop bank runs in all the European countries, it's St Paddys week end so we don't even have any members of government in the country they've all home abroad :lol:
 

doctor_fungcool

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This is not good...




BREAKING ALERT! CHAOS IN CYPRUS: “Thousands” Are Withdrawing Their Money; ALERT IN THE SOUTHERN EUROPEAN COUNTRIES – Cyprus-Rescue Shows, No Accounts Are Safe!
March 16th, 2013


Cyprus state broadcaster CyBC reported that German Finance Minister Wolfgang Schaeuble had proposed Cypriots lose 40 percent of their bank accounts although they were not responsible for the economic debacle that was caused when a previous Greek government, in a frantic bid to reduce its debt, imposed 74 percent losses on investors and bondholder. Sarris said the IMF agreed with Germany.

http://greece.greekreporter.com/2013/03/16/bailout-cuts-cyprus-bank-accounts-withdrawals-barred/

16 MARCH 2013

http://investmentwatchblog.com/brea...ney-alert-in-the-southern-european-countries/

People with Cyprus bank accounts will lose up to 10% of their savings as the price of a 10 billion euro (£8.6 billion) rescue package for the cash-strapped country from its European partners and the International Monetary Fund.

The bailout was agreed early on Saturday in a bid to keep the island nation from a bankruptcy that could rekindle the region’s debt crisis.

But in a major departure from established policies, the package also includes a one-off levy on the money held in bank accounts in Cyprus. Analysts have warned that making depositors take a hit threatens to undermine investors’ confidence in other weaker eurozone economies and might possibly lead to bank runs.

In return for the rescue loans Cyprus will trim its deficit, shrink its troubled banking sector, raise taxes and privatise state assets, said the Netherlands’ Jeroen Dijsselbloem, presiding over meetings of the 17-nation eurozone’s finance ministers. “The assistance is warranted to safeguard financial stability in Cyprus and the eurozone as a whole,” he said, speaking after nearly 10 hours of negotiations.

People with less than 100,000 euro (£86,000) in their Cypriot bank accounts will have to pay a one-time tax of 6.75%, those with more will lose 9.9%. The measure is expected to net 5.8 billion euro (£5bn) in additional revenues, Mr Dijsselbloem said, greatly reducing the country’s financing need.
Read more at http://investmentwatchblog.com/brea...thern-european-countries/#mKK8M1Vj3LA2IxyP.99


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doctor_fungcool

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For those that may be skeptical when seeing a post like the one I just created, I have this advice: google Cyprus bank run/cyprus + depositors lose money...ect.ect.ect.

See for yourself.............The handwriting IS on the wall my friends.

The world is now at ground O...........literally.

In my opinion, the depression that many of talked about on this forum, is right at our door step. We're here.

1. Dow at an all time high.

2. Foodstamps at an all time high.

3. Confidence drops (University of Michigan survey)

4. Record 'real' unemployment'.

5. American savings at a low.


I'm sure that y'all could add many more stats to the list that I've posted.
 

China Connection

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I won't loose any sleep over the problem. In the shire I live in here in China there are seven times + more people than on Cyprus. Gee, it only has 1,2 million in population.

Sure the U.S. and Europe will hyperinflate and crash in the not too distant future but not because of Cyprus.

Hitting the bank accounts is all they can do as their currency will be Euros. So you can't devalue the currency like you can somewhere else.


The ECC is a right mess.
 

Mzkitty

I give up.
Let's see what this stinking pile looks like this morning:


FrenchPolitics: RT @georgiemark: #econcy #Cyprus auditing firms have received orders from 200 companies to withdraw 800 mln from banks and transferred abroad when banks open
Sunday, March 17, 2013 6:14:30 AM

huyelobo: RT @IrateGreek: British deposits in #Cyprus est. £1.7bn (lose approx £170m), Russian deposits est. $18.2bn (lose approx $2bn) via @doleross #rbnews
Sunday, March 17, 2013 6:14:28 AM

A12Shooter: RT “@Telegraph: The Cypriot government has betrayed its people, writes @PhilAldrick http://t.co/IudixotMVA #Cyprus”
Sunday, March 17, 2013 6:14:09 AM

rowpolo: RT @RobinShepherd1: #Cyprus/#EU plan to plunder bank accounts risks run on banks in all southern eurozone countries. Get yr money out before it's too late!!
Sunday, March 17, 2013 6:14:21 AM

CIApressoffice: UK government will compensate its military personnel in #Cyprus affected by proposed bank levy - Chancellor George Osborne
Sunday, March 17, 2013 6:14:19 AM

TeamRevoltNow: RT @darealmaozedong: RT @OccupyParis: "#Cyprus parl't vote on bailout postponed, banks may remain closed on Tuesday & Wednesday." #ows
Sunday, March 17, 2013 6:13:53 AM

DiogoCMoreira: RT @GTCost: What's up with this 'debate' malarky? RT @PaulSommerville: #Cyprus bailout: Parliament postpones debate http://t.co/iPkD9kL9mW
Sunday, March 17, 2013 6:13:49 AM

mmaratheftis: RT @nekatomenos: CyBC reports that ECB asked for the #Cyprus gov not to delay and not to extend bank holiday to Tuesday. Prez is reported to have refused.
Sunday, March 17, 2013 6:13:49 AM

Brownloather: RT @Meliden: A line has been crossed. EU forces a Government to take money from ordinary people’s bank accounts. #Cyprus http://t.co/7jLtW1aMOB
Sunday, March 17, 2013 6:13:45 AM

Klein_Bert: RT @Paul_Zehner: If #Cyprus President Nicos Anastasiades would be a real man and not a slave of the #EU, he would say: F**k you #EU we are out.
Sunday, March 17, 2013 6:13:02 AM

sprintexec: @nekatomenos I feel our answers will appear in eight hours as Asian markets open, expect € to be heavily marked down. #cyprus #eu #banks
Sunday, March 17, 2013 6:12:31 AM

GemmaDD: RT @sprintexec #Cyprus police activates Crisis Centre to be ready to face reactions from citizens. #rbnews
Sunday, March 17, 2013 6:12:12 AM

FlikFluimsnor: RT @johnakritas: Geopolitics of driving Russians out of #Cyprus has also to be considered. EU & others irked by Cyprus' political & economic links to Russia.
Sunday, March 17, 2013 6:12:11 AM

BcnFox: RT @georgiemark: #econcy #Cybc reports that the #ECB has asked #Cyprus parliament to VOTE IMMEDIATELY on the deposits haircut after reports of a vote delay
Sunday, March 17, 2013 6:11:53 AM

SuperbikeAl: RT @reviddiver: So far today #Leveson is breaking the UN charters & #Cyprus 10% haircut breaking EU regulations. BE AFRAID - BE VERY AFRAID
Sunday, March 17, 2013 6:11:50 AM
 

doctor_fungcool

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I won't loose any sleep over the problem. In the shire I live in here in China there are seven times + more people than on Cyprus. Gee, it only has 1,2 million in population.

Sure the U.S. and Europe will hyperinflate and crash in the not too distant future but not because of Cyprus.

Hitting the bank accounts is all they can do as their currency will be Euros. So you can't devalue the currency like you can somewhere else.


The ECC is a right mess.

Oh, you are sooooo very right on the mark. Yes, this won't happen BECAUSE of Cyprus, granted. However, Cyprus IS the canary in the coal mine. Other shoes to drop as fiat currencies levitate above the abyss. The is merely the opening volley.

What of gold? Shane posted an interesting topic on that very subject a few days ago.
 

doctor_fungcool

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Hopefully, mzkitty, the mods can merge our threads under your header.
What's happening in Europe is truly historic.

Sorry concerning the 'dupe'.
 

Hfcomms

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IMF Just ripped off Putin's Russia

Sinclair – One Of The Most Important Events In History & Gold
March 16, 2013, at 5:43 pm


Today legendary trader Jim Sinclair told King World News we have just witnessed one of the most important events in history and it will have a major impact on the gold market. Below Sinclair, who’s father was business partners with legendary trader Jesse Livermore, had to say in this extraordinary and exclusive KWN interview:

“The wire reports on the Cyprus situation are working overtime to try to make the case that 80% of the deposits belong to the people of Cyprus, and only 20% of the deposits belong to the Russians. That’s absolutely false. After 1985, when the ‘Robber Barrons’ of Russia took over the general economics of Russia, that was the transformation from the KGB to private business. The primary place for exported Russian funds was Cyprus.

Now, there is one leader in the world that would be very dangerous to challenge, and that is Putin of Russia….

“What’s just happened is the IMF has backed up, lauded, supported, and publicized, as if it were a victory, the taking of 10% of what really turns out to be 80% of Russian ‘black money.’ Russian ‘black money’ is KGB money, now in business. The leader of Russia (Putin) was a former KGB official. Who’s money do you think they have taken? This is the biggest mistake the IMF could possibly have ever made.”

Eric King: “Jim, it’s unimaginable to me, but, incredibly, just ten days ago you warned that you don’t want to anger Russian leader Putin because he and Russia will punish the West in the gold market. Can you talk about how this is going to impact the gold market beginning on Monday?”

http://www.jsmineset.com/2013/03/16/sinclair-one-of-the-most-important-events-in-history-gold/

Click here to read the full interview on KingWorldNews.com
 

Mzkitty

I give up.
Hopefully, mzkitty, the mods can merge our threads under your header.
What's happening in Europe is truly historic.

Sorry concerning the 'dupe'.

Don't worry about it, Doc. I'll say this -- I would have never dreamed these monsters would outright steal from people's bank accounts. It's a shocker, and yes it is truly historic.

:shkr:
 

China Connection

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Gold, gold,gold!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! What will it do? Well if the world economy crashes and World War three gets a go on it will probably crash. Why? Well everyone will start to sell gold as their cash runs out.

How will gold crash? Well not in dollar terms as the dollar will depreciate fast. However up against food and everyday essentials it will loose a lot of its barter value.
 

doctor_fungcool

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Sinclair – One Of The Most Important Events In History & Gold
March 16, 2013, at 5:43 pm


Today legendary trader Jim Sinclair told King World News we have just witnessed one of the most important events in history and it will have a major impact on the gold market. Below Sinclair, who’s father was business partners with legendary trader Jesse Livermore, had to say in this extraordinary and exclusive KWN interview:

“The wire reports on the Cyprus situation are working overtime to try to make the case that 80% of the deposits belong to the people of Cyprus, and only 20% of the deposits belong to the Russians. That’s absolutely false. After 1985, when the ‘Robber Barrons’ of Russia took over the general economics of Russia, that was the transformation from the KGB to private business. The primary place for exported Russian funds was Cyprus.

Now, there is one leader in the world that would be very dangerous to challenge, and that is Putin of Russia….

“What’s just happened is the IMF has backed up, lauded, supported, and publicized, as if it were a victory, the taking of 10% of what really turns out to be 80% of Russian ‘black money.’[/bold] Russian ‘black money’ is KGB money, now in business. The leader of Russia (Putin) was a former KGB official. Who’s money do you think they have taken? This is the biggest mistake the IMF could possibly have ever made.”

Eric King: “Jim, it’s unimaginable to me, but, incredibly, just ten days ago you warned that you don’t want to anger Russian leader Putin because he and Russia will punish the West in the gold market. Can you talk about how this is going to impact the gold market beginning on Monday?”

http://www.jsmineset.com/2013/03/16/sinclair-one-of-the-most-important-events-in-history-gold/

Click here to read the full interview on KingWorldNews.com


First off, hopefully this thread will be merged with mzkitty's thread.

Secondly, I would imagine that lots of Russia's black money is owned (in part) by the Russian mafia.
Ripping off the Russians and the Russian mafia is never a good idea. The Russian mafia has dipped their beaks in many countries, including the U.S. and Israel. The immigration stats from Russia to Israel are staggering.

World Wars are fought over these kinds of behaviors. It is very possible that the bankers over at the IMF have over stepped their bounds.
 

Great Northwet

Veteran Member
Oh, you are sooooo very right on the mark. Yes, this won't happen BECAUSE of Cyprus, granted. However, Cyprus IS the canary in the coal mine. Other shoes to drop as fiat currencies levitate above the abyss. The is merely the opening volley.

What of gold? Shane posted an interesting topic on that very subject a few days ago.

We've all placed our bet's now we have to live with them.
 

doctor_fungcool

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I merged the threads.

thanks R.B.

this info from Forbes

The Cyprus Bank Bailout Could Be A Disastrous Precedent: They're Reneging On Government Deposit Insurance

There’s a little detail in the just announced bailout of the Cypriot banks (and Cypriot economy as a whole) that could be setting an entirely disastrous precedent for the entire European banking system. Please note the “could be” here, it depends upon how people react next.

That Cyprus and its banks need bailing out is beyond doubt. The banking sector is absolutely vast as compared to the size of the economy (largely as a result of a couple of decades of use as a secure location for Russian deposits) and the banks are indeed bust. Largely because they were heavily invested in Greek Government bonds which then, as we all know, suffered two substantial haircuts.

So, something needed to be done. And something has been done. More money is being sent in to recapitalise the banks, Cypriot loans are being rescheduled, the government will sell off assets to help plug the gap and so on. However, there is this one further detail that could have seriously bad effects:

Euro-area finance ministers agreed to an unprecedented tax on Cypriot bank deposits as officials unveiled a 10 billion-euro ($13 billion) rescue plan for the country, the fifth since Europe’s debt crisis broke out in 2009.

Cyprus will impose a levy of 6.75 percent on deposits of less than 100,000 euros — the ceiling for European Union account insurance — and 9.9 percent above that.

There’s nothing particularly bad about making depositors carry some of the load of a bank failure. Indeed, it has something to recommend it: if it happens occasionally then people will take more care over where they put their money and what the banks do with it.

However, there’s a very great difference between allowing depositors without government insurance to take losses and actually reneging on the previously promised government insurance. And it’s that second that they’re actually doing here. Here’s the description of the Cypriot government deposit insurance scheme:
 

Red Baron

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UK government will compensate its military personnel in Cyprus affected by proposed bank levy, Chancellor George Osborne says - @BBCNews
Today, March 17, 2013, 57 minutes ago
 

Marthanoir

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Don't worry about it, Doc. I'll say this -- I would have never dreamed these monsters would outright steal from people's bank accounts. It's a shocker, and yes it is truly historic.

:shkr:

As I said earlier up the thread, it's the worlds biggest bank robbery and they didn't even have the decency to use ski masks and sawn off shotguns
 

China Connection

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Jonathan Manthorpe: Fate of Europe’s common currency linked to murder

EU faces a dilemma — prop up Cyprus despite it role as a money-laundering tax haven for Russian robber barons or risk collapse of the euro

By Jonathan Manthorpe, Vancouver Sun columnist January 29, 2013



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Jonathan Manthorpe: Fate of Europe’s common currency linked to murder

Russian lawyer Sergei Magnitsky, 37, who had been held in pre-trial detention in a complex fraud case for 11 months, died at the Matrosskaya Tishina jail in Moscow in 2009. His death sparked international outrage.
Photograph by: HO , AFP/Getty Images

In an extraordinary twist in the story of the European Union’s troubled common currency, the fate of the euro is now linked to the murder of a Moscow lawyer and the laundering of billions of dollars in ill-gotten money by Russian oligarchs through their favourite tax haven, the Mediterranean island of Cyprus.

For months, the Communist president member Cyprus, Demetris Christofias, has been appealing for the equivalent of $22.7 billion to bail out his island’s troubled economy, which like 16 other members of the 27-member European Union uses the euro as its currency.

But there is mounting resistance among EU governments to coming to the aid of the Cyprus government because of the island’s role as a tax haven and money laundering route for Russian billionaire oligarchs.

European governments are also outraged by the story that a Russian lawyer, Sergei Magnitsky, was tortured to death in a Russian prison in 2009 after revealing that Russian tax authorities bilked a British investment fund of $230 million and laundered some of the money through Cyprus.

In response, the United States has imposed travel bans on 60 Russian officials linked to the killing. Moscow has complained loudly to Washington about the bans.

In November, the story took another deadly twist. A young Russian businessman, Alexander Perepelichny, who had given Swiss authorities details of how the Russian officials stashed abroad tens of millions of dollars looted from the British hedge fund, Hermitage Capital Management, died in suspicious circumstances.

Perepelichny, 33, was out jogging near his luxury home south of the British capital London when he died of what is being described as a heart attack or stroke.

Given the fate of Magnitsky, who was jailed on false tax fraud charges before being killed, and Perepelichny’s evidence, which let Swiss courts freeze Russian accounts, that verdict is not widely accepted.

British police have ordered a toxicology report to determine whether they are dealing with a murder or not.

Germany, whose still-vibrant economy is essential for supporting countries like Greece, Portugal and Spain where debt crises brought the euro to the brink of collapse, is against a bail out for Cyprus because of the island’s links to Russian oligarchs and robber barons.

A recent report by Germany’s Federal Intelligence Service said that if the European Central Bank gives Cyprus the $22.7 billion it wants, it will amount to German taxpayers protecting the illegal assets of Russian oligarchs and “mafiosi.”

The issue is so charged for the Germans that two weeks ago Chancellor Angela Merkel flew to Cyprus to campaign on behalf of the conservative presidential candidate in February 17 elections, Nikos Anastasiades.

Indeed, European finance ministers have agreed to put off deciding on the bailout for Cyprus until after the elections next month in the hope that Anastasiades wins and he moves to end the island’s role as a Tortuga-style haven for Russian pirates.

While the majority of EU governments are not prepared to dole out money to Cyprus that would mostly benefit Russian oligarchs, they face a dilemma. Neither do they want Cyprus to go bankrupt because the knock-on effect within the eurozone is unpredictable.

That potential problem was taken up by the head of the European Central Bank, Mario Draghi, last week when he lashed out at Germany’s Finance Minister Wolfgang Schauble for saying the fate of the Cypriot economy was not “systemically relevant.”

Draghi insists that Cyprus cannot be allowed to collapse just as the economies in other countries in the eurozone whose debt crises put the future of the currency in doubt, are beginning to improve.

He pointed out that the risk premium on Italian and Spanish sovereign bonds have fallen significantly and that several central banks have made large cuts to their liabilities.

These advances could be quickly reversed, said Draghi, if Cypriot banks are allowed to default.

Two of the biggest Cypriot banks, he pointed out, have networks of branches in Greece, still the most troubled economy in the eurozone. From those branches uncertainty could quickly spread to the Greek banks and re-ignite the euro crisis.

But unless there is a change of administration in Cyprus, EU governments will have to swallow hard to keep down their revulsion at the stench of criminality that hangs over the island.

Dozens of Russia’s richest men have residency on Cyprus, which gives them free access to the entire European Union, and many register their main corporate holdings on the island, where the corporate tax rate is only 10 per cent.

By some estimates more than a quarter of all bank deposits and about a third of foreign investment in Cyprus comes from Russia.

Last year, about $60 billion in assets left Russia and most of it either moved through or was parked in Cyprus.

Jmanthorpe@vancouversun.com

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doctor_fungcool

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Russia’s Cyprus problem
Mar 13, 2013 6:00pm by Courtney Weaver
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http://blogs.ft.com/beyond-brics/2013/03/13/russias-cyprus-problem/

Over the past few months, a lot of questions have been raised about the share of Russian money flowing through Cyprus, not always legally, and what effect this would have on an EU bailout for the island.

Now as EU leaders prepare to meet and discuss the bailout this Friday, Moody’s raises two equally important questions: How at risk are Russian banks and companies to problems in the Cypriot banking sector? And how likely are Russian depositors and creditors to get their money back after an EU-managed bailout?

Much of the Russian money that travels to Cyprus ends up coming right back to Russia, with many Cyprus-based companies of Russian origin borrowing from Russian banks and using the funds to reinvest back into Russia.

The problem for these companies would arise if as part of an EU bailout Cyprus introduced restrictions on external payments, potentially causing those Cypriot-based holdings “to enter into technical defaults, increasing risks for lenders”, warns Moody’s in a new report.

“This is because cash flows used by these borrowers to repay their loans originate from Russia and often go through Cyprus, to be later repaid to Russian banks from Cyprus. In case of restrictions, Cyprus would simply block debt repayments to Russian banks.”

The Russian lenders that have exposure to Cypriot-based borrowers include Gazprombank, Nomos, Sberbank, Alfa and most notably state-owned VTB, whose Cypriot subsidiary had a total of $13.8bn in assets and $374m in equity of $374 million at the end of 2011, Moody’s notes.

It is hard to overstate just how much exposure both Russian lenders and Russian companies have to the Cypriot banking sector. Here are some mind-boggling statistics from Moody’s:

Russian banks’ cross-board loans to Cypriot-based Russian companies totaled $30-40bn at the end of 2012 – that is equal to 15-20 per cent of Russian banks’ capital base in Russia, and 5-6 per cent of their gross corporate loans.


Russian corporate deposits in Cyprus totaled an estimated $19bn at the end of August – an amount that is equal to 7 per cent of all the corporate deposits in Russia, excluding current accounts.

While Russian companies aren’t directly affected by the downturn in Cyprus since much of the money is simply flowing in from Russia and right back out, problems could arise if, as mentioned, Cyprus puts a moratorium on external payments which could “block loan repayments to Russia, leading to some asset quality pressure”, Moody’s says.
 

doctor_fungcool

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This cyprus 'thing' is a huge, huge dot and more than likely explains a lot of unanswered questions.

I'll give advice to all who listen..............diversify.....diversify...........and then diversity just a bit more. Do not put all your eggs in one basket.

NOTE: This action by the IMF didn't happen overnight....it was planned, in my view, for a long while. If my supposition is correct, then OUR unanswered questions should become crystal clear concerning other 'events' that have been happening here in CONUS, which seem unconnected to the banking issue. We are looking at the butterfly effect, OR to put it more clearly, the DOMINO EFFECT. .....we are almost 17 trillion dollars in debt. We borrow our money from China. Could the IMF gain control of the federal reserve and impose an austerity package on the U.S.? Your damn straight they could...at this point in the game, anything is possible.


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O.K., I need coffee. I'll be back later. Just know that this event is a really, really big deal...
 

China Connection

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Russia: Russia and Offshore - Lowtax.net - Offshore, Tax, Law ...
We are not concerned here with the complications of moving money out of Russia. This is not easy to achieve ... OIFCs Used In Russian Investment Structures. Cyprus:
www.lowtax.net/lowtax/html/offon/russia/rus_offshore.html - Cached


BBC NEWS | Business | Bank of Cyprus moves into Russia
As well as moving into Russia, the Bank of Cyprus said it was also interested in expanding ... OECD reaches out to five nations ... Rio resumes Australia investment.
news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/6731707.stm - Cached


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The New Double Tax Agreement Between Cyprus And Russia Moves ...
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www.mondaq.com/x/122282/Corporate+Crime/The+New+Double... - Cached


Solving the great Russian investment paradox
"I don't see any investors who are overweight in Russia making any substantial moves out of Russian ... Most of the Cyprus investment is going into bonds and long ...
www.atimes.com/c-asia/DC13Ag02.html - Cached


Cyprus off Russia's investment 'black list' - TwinCities.com
... Cyprus—Russia has removed Cyprus from a so-called black list of countries which Moscow ... Out of Bounds by Chris ... Cyprus off Russia's investment 'black ...
www.twincities.com/business/ci_22384467/cyprus-off... - Cached


Cyprus Expat | Blog: Russian - Cyprus Business And Investment ...
Cyprus Events; Moving To The UK; ... Cyprus And Russian Business ... The increase of foreign investment in Cyprus has been substantial but there is still a lot of ...
www.cyprusexpat.co.uk/blog/read/id:1242/russian--cyprus... - Cached


ekathimerini.com | Schaeuble: Russia-Cyprus money flow suspicious
Two-way investment flows between Russia and Cyprus create suspicion that ... President Vladimir Putin over such a move. Russia may be asked to ... out return of ...
www.ekathimerini.com/4dcgi/_w_articles_wsite2_1_21/01/... - Cached

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Red Baron

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Don't underestimate the role banks, gangsters and the Drug Cartels all play within the international banking system.

Back in 1989 author Tom Clancey in his book "Clear and Present Danger" essentially laid out how the so called War On Drugs could end -if- the international banking cartel would be stripped of it's key role in money laundering. Stop wasting time chasing street corner dope dealers and low level gangsters around and thus end the ability of big banks to launder billions upon billions of dollars each year.

Throw the guilty banksters in jail and the drug money dries up as a form of international trade. It's all about the cash, not the drugs.

The problem is that we are so totally awash in laundered drug money that nobody is willing to "unwind" the whole process.
 

Mzkitty

I give up.
hey_ghis: RT @katainger: You know a decision is bad when even Forbes asks why #Cyprus didn't exempt poorest savers from mandatory bailout tax. http://t.co/Vsqd5lVPSR
Sunday, March 17, 2013 6:59:46 AM

er1cmau: RT @EfiEfthimiou: ECB official is already in #Cyprus, asks Anastasiades to vote 4 the measures today, also wants banks 2 open on Tues (via Athens News Agency)
Sunday, March 17, 2013 6:59:46 AM

er1cmau: RT @EfiEfthimiou: Skai tv reports that ECB urged #Cyprus to vote for the measures today, before markets open on Monday. Cyprus replied "this is impossible"
Sunday, March 17, 2013 6:59:34 AM

timfprice: #Cyprus Trashing of (impossible to deliver) deposit insurance by sovereigns implies capital flight risk across Europe, UK. Got #gold ?
Sunday, March 17, 2013 6:59:24 AM

johaster: @CiovaccoCapital The real choices were made years back. The Cypriot parliament can now choose between The Rope or The River. #Cyprus
Sunday, March 17, 2013 6:58:45 AM

GiraffeBanners: So which politician or top banker in #Cyprus will be the first to be blown up - common practice over there
Sunday, March 17, 2013 6:58:44 AM

neilweekes: "This week could be a watershed in British and European history as a major step towards a socialist state"#Cyprus
Sunday, March 17, 2013 7:03:58 AM
 

doctor_fungcool

TB Fanatic
Don't underestimate the role banks, gangsters and the Drug Cartels all play within the international banking system.

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article33355.htm

Back in 1989 author Tom Clancey in his book "Clear and Present Danger" essentially laid out how the so called War On Drugs could end -if- the international banking cartel would be stripped of it's key role in money laundering. Stop wasting time chasing street corner dope dealers and low level gangsters around and thus end the ability of big banks to launder billions upon billions of dollars each year.

Throw the guilty banksters in jail and the drug money dries up as a form of international trade. It's all about the cash, not the drugs.

The problem is that we are so totally awash in laundered drug money that nobody is willing to "unwind" the whole process.





Banking on Criminality: Drug Money and the Above-the-Law Global Banking Cartel

By Andrew Gavin Marshall

December 17, 2012 "Information Clearing House" - In what the New York Times declared as a “dark day for the rule of law” on December 11, 2012, HSBC, the world’s second largest bank, failed to be indicted for extensive criminal activities in laundering money to and from regimes under sanctions, Mexican drug cartels, and terrorist organizations (including al-Qaeda). While admitting culpability, and with guilt assured, state and federal authorities in the United States decided not to indict the bank “over concerns that criminal charges could jeopardize one of the world’s largest banks and ultimately destabilize the global financial system.” Instead, HSBC agreed to pay a $1.92 billion settlement.

The fear was that an indictment would be a “death sentence” for HSBC. The U.S. Justice Department, which was prosecuting the case, was told by the U.S. Treasury Department and the Federal Reserve that taking such an “aggressive stance” against HSBC could have negative effects upon the economy. Instead, the bank was to forfeit $1.2 billion and pay $700 million in fines on top of that for violating the Bank Secrecy Act and the Trading with the Enemy Act. In a statement, HSBC’s CEO stated, “We accept responsibility for our past mistakes… We are committed to protecting the integrity of the global financial system. To this end, we will continue to work closely with governments and regulators around the world.” With more than $7 billion in Mexican drug cartel money laundered through HSBC alone, the fine amounts to a slap on the wrist, no more than a cost-benefit analysis of doing business: if the ‘cost’ of laundering billions in drug money is less than the ‘benefit,’ the policy will continue.

As part of the settlement, not one banker at HSBC was to be charged in the case. The New York Times acknowledged that, “the government has bought into the notion that too big to fail is too big to jail.” HSBC joins a list of some of the world’s other largest banks in paying fines for criminal activities, including Credit Suisse, Lloyds, ABN Amro and ING, among others. The U.S. Assistant Attorney General Lanny A. Breuer referred to the settlement as an example of HSBC “being held accountable for stunning failures of oversight.” Lanny Breuer, who heads the Justice Department’s criminal division, which was responsible for prosecuting the case against HSBC, was previously a partner at a law firm (along with the U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder) where they represented a number of major banks and other conglomerates in cases dealing with foreclosure fraud. While Breuer and Holder were partners at Covington & Burling, the firm represented notable clients such as Bank of America, Citigroup, JP Morgan Chase and Wells Fargo, among others. It seems that at the Justice Department, they continue to have the same job: protecting the major banks from being persecuted for criminal behaviour.

With a great deal of focus on the $1.9 billion in fines being paid out by HSBC, little mention was made of the fact that HSBC had roughly $2.5 trillion in assets, and earned $22 billion in profits in 2011 But not to worry, HSBC’s executive said that they “accept responsibility for our past mistakes,” and added: “We have said we are profoundly sorry for them, and we do so again.” So not only did the executives of the world’s second largest bank apologize for laundering billions in drug money (along with other crimes), but they apologized… again. Thus, they pay a comparably small fine and face no criminal charges. I wonder if a crack dealer from a ghetto in the United States could avoid criminal prosecution if he were to apologize not once, but twice. Actually, we don’t have to wonder. In May of 2012, as HSBC executives were testifying before the U.S. Senate in Washington D.C., admitting their role in drug money laundering, a poor black man was convicted of peddling 5.5 grams of crack cocaine just across the river from the U.S. Capitol building, and he was given 10 years in prison.

Back in August the bank stated that they had put aside $700 million to pay fines for illegal activities, which conveniently was the exact amount they were fined by the U.S. Justice Department (not including the forfeiture of profits). Lanny Breuer declared the settlement to be “a very just, very real and very powerful result.” Indeed, one could agree that the results are “powerful” and “very real,” in that they provide a legal state-sanctioned decision that big banks will not be prosecuted for their vast criminal activities, precisely because they are big banks. The “very real” result of this is that we can guarantee that such criminal behaviour will continue, since the banks will continue to be protected by the state. With news of the settlement, HSBC’s market share price rose by 2.8%, a clear sign that “financial markets” also reward criminal behaviour and the “pervasively polluted” culture at HSBC (in the words of the U.S. Senate report).

Jack Blum, a Washington attorney and former special counsel for the Senate Foreign Relations Committee who specializes in money laundering and financial crimes stated that, “If these people aren’t prosecuted, who will be?” He further asked: “What do you have to do to be prosecuted? They have crossed every bright line in bank compliance. When is there an offense that’s bad enough for a big bank to be prosecuted?” But the Justice Department’s Lanny Breuer explained that his department had to consider “the collateral consequences” of prosecutions: “If you prosecute one of the largest banks in the world, do you risk that people will lose their jobs, other financial institutions and other parties will leave the bank, and there will be some kind of event in the world economy?”

In other words, the U.S. Justice Department decided that big banks are above the law, because if they weren’t, there would be severe consequences for the financial system. And this is not just good news for HSBC, the “favourite” bank of Mexican drug cartels (according to Bloomberg), but it’s good news for all banks. After all, HSBC is not the only bank engaged in laundering drug money and other illegal activities. Back in 2010, Wachovia (now part of Wells Fargo) paid roughly $160 million in fines for laundering some $378.4 billion in drug money. Drug money has also been found to be laundered through other major financial institutions, including Bank of America, Banco Santander, Citigroup, and the banking branch of American Express. Nearly all of the world’s largest banks have been or are currently being investigated for other crimes, including rigging interest rates (in what’s known as the Libor scandal), and other forms of fraud. Among the banks being investigated for criminal activity by U.S. prosecutors are Barclays, Deutsche Bank, Citigroup, JP Morgan Chase, Royal Bank of Scotland, UBS, Bank of America, Bank of Tokyo Mitsubishi, Credit Suisse, Lloyds, Rabobank, Royal Bank of Canada, and Société Générale, among others. Regulators and investigators of the Libor scandal – “the biggest financial scandal ever” – report that the world’s largest banks engage in “organized fraud” and function like a “cartel” or “mafia.”

The pervasive criminality of this “international cartel” is so consistent that one commentator with the Guardian has referred to global banks as “the financial services wing of the drug cartels.” But indeed, where could be a better place for drug cartels to deposit their profits than with a financial cartel? And why would banks give up their pivotal role in the global drug trade? While the pharmaceutical drug industry records annual revenues in the hundreds of billions of dollars (which is nothing to ignore), the global trade in illicit drugs, according to the United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime, amounted to roughly 2.3-5.5% of global GDP, around $2.1 trillion (U.S.) in 2009. That same year, the same United Nations office reported that billions of dollars in drug money saved the major global banks during the financial crisis, as “the only liquid investment capital” pouring into banks. Roughly $325 billion in drug money was absorbed by the financial system in 2009. It is in the interest of banks to continue profiting off of the global drug trade, and now they have been given a full green light by the Obama administration to continue.

Welcome to the world of financial criminality, the “international cartel” of drug money banks and their political protectors. These banks not only launder billions in drug money, finance terrorists and commit massive fraud, but they create massive financial and economic crises, and then our governments give them trillions of dollars in bailouts, again rewarding them for creating crises and committing criminal acts. On top of that, we, the people, are handed the bill for the bailouts and have to pay for them through reduced standards of living by being punished into poverty through ‘austerity measures’ and have our labour, resources, and societies exploited through ‘structural reform’ policies. These criminal banks dominate the global economy, and dictate policies to national political oligarchies. Their greed, power, and parasitic nature knows no bounds.

The fact that the Justice Department refused to prosecute HSBC because of the effects it could have on the financial system should be a clear sign that the financial system does not function for the benefit of people and society as a whole, and thus, that it needs to be dramatically changed, cartels need to be destroyed, banks broken up, criminal behaviour punished (not rewarded), and that people should dictate the policies of society, not a small network of international criminal cartel banks.

But then, that would be rational, so naturally it’s not even up for discussion.

Andrew Gavin Marshall is an independent researcher and writer based in Montreal, Canada, with a focus on studying the ideas, institutions, and individuals of power and resistance across a wide spectrum of social, political, economic, and historical spheres. andrewgavinmarshall.com .

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From Jekyll Island (1913-2013) One hundred years of smoke and mirrors.
 

Limner

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Real good way to start a pan-European panic.

Look out below.

Melodi, many thanks to you and others for the Euro-perspective. Please keep up the reports from the ground. If a Black Swan event, the outrage and fear won't take long to spread.

Same here, Melodi!
 

Red Baron

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The fact that the Justice Department refused to prosecute HSBC because of the effects it could have on the financial system should be a clear sign that the financial system does not function for the benefit of people and society as a whole, and thus, that it needs to be dramatically changed, cartels need to be destroyed, banks broken up, criminal behaviour punished (not rewarded), and that people should dictate the policies of society, not a small network of international criminal cartel banks.

Thanks Doc, exactly the way Clancey laid it out in 1989.

Without a clear "moral hazard" banks and politicians have literally nothing to fear from the populace.

"Too Big to Fail" needs to be replaced with "Build More Jails".
 
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