WoT Anon. source on Benghazi with a story even worse than the last anon. source.

http://www.tigerdroppings.com/rant/...-General-Carter-Ham-and-Stand-Down-Order.aspx

I heard a story today from someone inside the military that I trust entirely. The story was in reference to General Ham that Panetta referenced in the quote below.

quote:
"(The) basic principle is that you don't deploy forces into harm's way without knowing what's going on; without having some real-time information about what's taking place," Panetta told Pentagon reporters. "And as a result of not having that kind of information, the commander who was on the ground in that area, Gen. Ham, Gen. Dempsey and I felt very strongly that we could not put forces at risk in that situation."



The information I heard today was that General Ham as head of Africom received the same e-mails the White House received requesting help/support as the attack was taking place. General Ham immediately had a rapid response unit ready and communicated to the Pentagon that he had a unit ready.

General Ham then received the order to stand down. His response was to screw it, he was going to help anyhow. Within 30 seconds to a minute after making the move to respond, his second in command apprehended General Ham and told him that he was now relieved of his command.

The story continues that now General Rodiguez would take General Ham's place as the head of Africon.

I found this story when I got home after hearing this story.

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President Barack Obama will nominate Army Gen. David Rodriguez to succeed Gen. Carter Ham as commander of U.S. Africa Command and Marine Lt. Gen. John Paxton to succeed Gen. Joseph Dunford as assistant commandant of the Marine Corps, Defense Secretary Leon Panetta announced Thursday.



General Rodigues Nominated as Head of Africon

As I was typing this I heard John Bolton on Greta say that there are conflicting reports of General Ham's comments on this tragedy and why a rapid response unit was not deployed. Bolton says someone needs to find out what Ham was saying on 9/11/12.

Interesting to say the least.

Obama is going to continue until he has replaced all the real Military leaders with his own guys that won't argue when he says shoot US citizens.

This is flying all over the internet now:

https://www.google.com/search?q=gen...s=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a

There is an ongoing discussion about this on the WHI thread, starting around post 181. Too much to repost here. And almost ready added new info that an admiral in the MidEast strike group has just been replaced as well for not standing down. All on this thread:

http://www.timebomb2000.com/vb/show...SIDER-Emergency-All-Call-At-Obama-White-House!

HD

Well, Truman did it to MacArthur, but for a different motivation.

Chain of Command and all that.

Dobbin

Chain of command is not in play if an officer is given an illegal order. Isn't it illegal for the potus to be a party to murder?

With all these military leadership replacements, I can't help but be reminded of the very first thing that happens when there's a change in the political leadership in despotic countries. They replace all the senior military staff with men who owe their allegiance entirely to the new despot. Welcome to the Brave New World....

This scandal will expand and expand.
And none of the information will be kept back to protect the guilty.

If Romney was smart--he'd announce a full scale investigation into this, and then let the chips fall as they may.
This is what needs to be done.

I wonder if this is also related...

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/2...trike-group/hvDyMjPXllnxM7twnaspLI/story.html

Navy replaces admiral leading Mideast strike group
By ROBERT BURNS
AP National Security Writer / October 27, 2012
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WASHINGTON (AP) — The Navy said Saturday it is replacing the admiral in command of an aircraft carrier strike group in the Middle East, pending the outcome of an internal investigation into undisclosed allegations of inappropriate judgment.

Rear Adm. Charles M. Gaouette is being sent back to the USS John C. Stennis’ home port at Bremerton, Wash., in what the Navy called a temporary reassignment. The Navy said he is not formally relieved of his command of the Stennis strike group but will be replaced by Rear Adm. Troy M. Shoemaker, who will assume command until the investigation is completed.

It is highly unusual for the Navy to replace a carrier strike group commander during its deployment.

The Navy did not reveal details of the allegations, citing only an accusation of ‘‘inappropriate leadership judgment’’ that arose during the strike group’s deployment to the Middle East. Rear Adm. John Kirby, the Navy’s chief spokesman, declined to discuss the investigation.

The Stennis group deployed from Bremerton in late August and had entered the Navy 5th Fleet’s area of operations in the Middle East on Oct. 17 after sailing across the Pacific. The Stennis made port visits in Thailand and Malaysia on its way to the Middle East.

It deployed four months earlier than scheduled in response to a request by the commander of U.S. Central Command, Marine Gen. James Mattis, to maintain two aircraft carriers in the Middle East. The Stennis replaced the USS Enterprise carrier group.

Defense Secretary Leon Panetta visited the Stennis and its sailors in Bremerton shortly before they departed. He thanked them for accelerating their deployment on short notice.

‘‘I understand that it is tough,’’ Panetta said. ‘‘We are asking an awful lot of each of you, but frankly you are the best I have and when the world calls we have to respond.’’

Shinmen Takezo said:

This scandal will expand and expand.
And none of the information will be kept back to protect the guilty.

If Romney was smart--he'd announce a full scale investigation into this, and then let the chips fall as they may.
This is what needs to be done.

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The Internet will provide the majority information input to humans before the election. MSM will continue the rinse & repeat of nonsensical blather.

Romney will continue to hit the ignore button - but he's playing by a 19th century sense of fairness and political position. Sort of like 18th century wars where everyone stood in straight lines and were immediately gunned down by the Brown Bess.

That an age where technology of warfare exceeded military tactics. Today an age where technology of information exceeds political tactics.

Romney is just fortunate to be on the winning side - right now.

Gosh I hope it stays this way.

Dobbin

I'll bet the second in command is real popular with the rest of Africom corps.

Traitorous and treasonous deeds happen with ever-greater frequency.

Romney will continue to hit the ignore button - but he's playing by a 19th century sense of fairness and political position. Sort of like 18th century wars where everyone stood in straight lines and were immediately gunned down by the Brown Bess.

This is a very polite way of saying that Romney is a "goodie-two-shoes faggot" --right?!
I wish this guy had a clue.

I wish this guy had a clue.

He is NOT Bill Clinton. Without a political adviser he would long ago have been relegated to a leadership position where political sense is secondary to organizational ability. As it is, his political advisers are not exactly the sharpest nails in the bag.

This may still play out in his favor though. Swing the saber too early and one runs the risk of missing the target - and running past.

Ooh. Glory!

Dobbin

Nah.

Romney's just following the script too. Can't have the audience getting all upset here, before the play is over.

Best thing Romney can do right now is to basically shut-up and get out-of-the way. This is going to take obama down if allowed to play out. It has plenty of inertia without Romney's assistance.

As soon as Romney starts talking the MSM will skew his words and paint him as the bad guy. Imagine what the MSM would be running if this treasonous incident occurred under GWB

So it's time for Obobo's "Night of the Long Knives" or the beginning of his version of Stalin's purge of the officer corps? Needs to get rid of all the officers who are willing to follow the Constitution and not the Mighty Obobo?

Kinda poor planning, it being just before the election and all. I reads like pre-planned moves taken early either to take advantage of the situation or to prevent a situation from further developing.

Wonder which it turns out to be?

WW

http://www.africom.mil/index.asp

It's not my Army any more, but way back when, general officers (3 and 4 stars) had full time enlisted GI bodyguards. You messed with someone's general, you were apt to get grabbed by the goozle (or shot) toot suite.

Things are different now, but I don't know how much different.

On Huckabee: Catherine Herridge just confirmed there is reason to believe that Stevens was in Benghasi, meeting with a minister from Turkey over the weapons being transported across the border. Another rumor I've heard here being confirmed on tv.

As a side note, Herridge said at the end of the piece that she believed we owe it to the four dead to get as many facts about the case as humanly possible. God bless that woman.

Ahh weelllll

Looks more and more like "Last Resort" is not so much fiction but a call to arms....


***sigh***

Was reading all this stuff and said to myself, "Self, who would be the first link on the chain to the NCA (national command authority) here?" And the answer was, the National Security Adviser. So I tried to remember who 0's National Security Advisor was, and couldn't. Had to look him up.

Dang.

Anyway, I searched 'donilon benghazi'. Interesting stuff popped up.

Like this one:
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http://cnsnews.com/blog/patrick-j-buchanan/behind-benghazi-cover

Behind the Benghazi Cover-up
By Patrick J. Buchanan
October 16, 2012

On Sept. 11, scores of men with automatic weapons and RPGs launched a night assault on the U.S. compound in Benghazi, killed Ambassador Chris Stevens and set the building ablaze. Using mortars, they launched a collateral attack on a safe house, killing two more Americans, as other U.S. agents fled to the airport.

On Sept. 14, White House press secretary Jay Carney said the attack came out of a spontaneous protest caused by an anti-Muslim video on YouTube.

On Sept. 16, U.N. Ambassador Susan Rice told the entire nation the attack had not been premeditated or preplanned but emanated from a spontaneous protest of the nasty video.

On Sept. 25, Obama at the United Nations mentioned the video six times.

But when they were pushing this tale, what did the White House actually know?

For we have now learned that the assault was observed in near real time by the State Department's Charlene Lamb, who was in contact with the security section at the Benghazi compound.

The next day, Sept. 12, Fox News and Eli Lake of The Daily Beast reported that U.S. intelligence had concluded it was terrorism. Within 24 hours of the attack, U.S. intelligence had identified some of the terrorists as members of an al-Qaida affiliate.

Thus either administration higher-ups were ignorant for more than a week of what their own agents knew, and are thus manifestly incompetent, or they colluded in a cover-up and orchestrated deception.

As the facts are revealed, the weight of evidence tilts toward the latter conclusion.

Why? Because we now know there never was any protest at the Benghazi compound — not against an anti-Muslim video or anything else.

And if there was no protest, who sent Carney out to blame the attack on the protest? And if there was no protest, who programmed Rice and put her on five separate Sunday talk shows to attribute the massacre to a protest that never happened?

If real-time intelligence and U.S. agents at the scene knew it was premeditated, preplanned terrorism by Sept. 12, who told Rice to deny specifically on Sept. 16 that the attack was premeditated or preplanned?

Indeed, why was Rice sent out at all? She is not in the chain of command. Why she accepted the assignment is obvious. She wants to be Hillary Clinton's successor as secretary of state. But who put her up to this? Who pushed her out front to mislead us?

The CIA's David Petraeus or Director of National Intelligence James Clapper should have been sent out to say what we knew, five days after the massacre.

As Chris Stevens reported to the secretary of state and President Obama, why was Hillary or National Security Adviser Tom Donilon not sent out to explain what had happened to Stevens and the others?

Looking back, Carney and Rice appear to have been used by their superiors.

Carney would never have gone out to speculate on his own about what happened in Benghazi. His line on Sept. 14 had to have been fed to him by the White House chief of staff, Donilon, Obama or all of them.

As for Rice, someone contacted those five TV networks to put her on. And the party line she delivered — the opposite of the truth — had to have been fed to her, almost word for word — by Donilon or the chief of staff.

Could Donilon or Hillary have been in the dark about what Rice was going to say? Could they have still been in the dark about what had happened five days before in Benghazi, when Hillary's own deputy Charlene Lamb had followed the terrorist attack in near real time?

Hillary and the entire Obama national security team are in that famous photo with Obama watching Seal Team Six in Abbottabad when Osama bin Laden was taken down.

Was the National Security Council alerted by Lamb when she was observing the attack in near real time? Did the NSC also observe?

Was the president told by the NSC that we were getting real-time intel and video from Benghazi, and would he like to see?

There is an even more fundamental question: Why did the White House persist with the phony story of a protest against a video being the cause of Ambassador Stevens' death, when they had to know there was no protest?

The most plausible explanation is that the truth — we were being hit with the worst terror attack since 9/11 in a city we saved — would have exposed Obama's boasting about his Libya triumph and al-Qaida being "on the run" and "on the path to defeat" as absurd propaganda.

Al-Qaida is now in Libya, Mali, Yemen, Syria, Iraq and Pakistan.

And the epidemic of anti-American riots across the Muslim world, with Arab Spring elections bringing to power Islamist regimes, testify to the real truth. After four years of Obama, it is America that is on the run in the Middle East.

But we can't let folks find that out until after Nov. 6. Hence the Benghazi cover-up.

Dennis Olson said:

With all these military leadership replacements, I can't help but be reminded of the very first thing that happens when there's a change in the political leadership in despotic countries. They replace all the senior military staff with men who owe their allegiance entirely to the new despot. Welcome to the Brave New World....

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And THAT, my friend, is why it is CRUCIAL we get this man OUT of office on NOVEMBER 6.

ANY other action is SUICIDE---for ourselves and our country.

At this point, YES, ANYBODY is better than this blanking MURDERER!

But even if he loses the election, he won't be "out" until January 20th. And that is more than enough time for him to declare himself dictator for life.

Right now, Fox News has had a string of people on who are putting all manner of information on the deception being put out by the administration. Judge Pirro was visibly upset by the duplicity of the White House. At some point, the MSM will have to acknowledge some of this crap, at least.

Dennis Olson said:

And that is more than enough time for him to declare himself dictator for life.

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The USMC might have something to say about that

Dennis Olson said:

But even if he loses the election, he won't be "out" until January 20th. And that is more than enough time for him to declare himself dictator for life.

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This could happen, but don't really think it would stand.

night driver said:

Ahh weelllll

Looks more and more like "Last Resort" is not so much fiction but a call to arms....


***sigh***

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I was thinking the same thing after the last episode and what the Admiral had to say

FYI General Ham had announced his retirement before this all happened.

RD

Trivium Pursuit said:

The USMC might have something to say about that

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Unfortunately, like in times past, The Marines Will Follow Orders.

At this point in time, i Now expect Turkey to make a move.

We all know that Turkey wants action on Syria but doesn't want to go it alone. Obo is holding them back.

If Romney made a deal with Turkey, to "fully" support them after the election in return for some indisputable "leaks" on Benghazi Gate, that could be enough to get the ball rolling and eventually take down Obo.

something along the lines of , "Oh look someone found the manifest from the Cargo ship that the USA hired to take SA7 's to AQ and Friends" or Worse

Dennis Olson said:

But even if he loses the election, he won't be "out" until January 20th. And that is more than enough time for him to declare himself dictator for life.

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That's what I'm worried about.

I hope there are not enough "gibsmedats" who would be content to go back on the 'ol plantation in exchange for guarantees of government "security" to out-weigh those who value freedom above all else......so-called "security" at the price of freedom is TOO HIGH....

Troke,

You posted:

The basic principle is that you don't deploy forces into harm's way without knowing what's going on; without having some real-time information about what's taking place," Panetta told Pentagon reporters. "And as a result of not having that kind of information, the commander who was on the ground in that area, Gen. Ham, Gen. Dempsey and I felt very strongly that we could not put forces at risk in that situation."

This statement is very telling. They knew exactly what was going on. They had real-time video from a drone overhead. What needs to be asked, you didn't want to put manpower on the ground, traitors, to save those Americans who went willingly into harm's way to protect an American Ambassador our President chose himself to represent us, why couldn't you have sent one frippin' plane to counter the attack???

Do you want to know what I think from what I have heard? This administration had to have Ambassador Stephan's dead because he was the one who could link them to supplying weapons to our enemy. If this information got out it would hurt this administration's chances for re-election. This administration never had a clue there would be any other Americans who would defy their orders to stand down and rush in to help another American in their time of need. It is only because of them that the truth be known. Not because of the MSM, but other outlets.

Dennis Olson said:

But even if he loses the election, he won't be "out" until January 20th. And that is more than enough time for him to declare himself dictator for life.

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.338 Lapua.

$5 PER ROUND.

Too high a price for the Country?

There ARE cheaper, equally effective options.

Hey Claire, is it past time yet???

Dennis Olson said:

But even if he loses the election, he won't be "out" until January 20th. And that is more than enough time for him to declare himself dictator for life.

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Astute observation, how could I have missed it, guess it is time to throw in the towel.

Then again, a loss just might piss off his islamist bed fellows and they might take Chuck's advice above and eliminate O-homo, just to start the chaos here. If Chuck's advice happens after an O-homo win, we get Biden for 4.

Maybe I won't throw in the towel just yet....

Any reports of any "other" high-level officials being suddenly relieved of their positions without rational explanation?

If so, then we will KNOW a "house-cleaning" is going on---in order to install Obamabots in all high leadership positions in our military.

C-O-U-P.

Countrymouse said:

Any reports of any "other" high-level officials being suddenly relieved of their positions without rational explanation?

If so, then we will KNOW a "house-cleaning" is going on---in order to install Obamabots in all high leadership positions in our military.

C-O-U-P.

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Not Military Coup but rather "Night of Long Knives." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Night_of_the_Long_Knives

A "purge."

They should just be glad that Obama is not of military background and knows not how to use a mortar.

Dobbin

night driver said:

.338 Lapua.

$5 PER ROUND.

Too high a price for the Country?

There ARE cheaper, equally effective options.

Hey Claire, is it past time yet???

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Concur. As TOM is often wont to say, "Lock and Load!" If Claire is listening I'll bet she'd say, "YES! Shoot the bastards!"

OA, out...

WND is reporting that Jan 20 is a Sunday. The Inaguration will actually take place on Monday, January 21, 2013; Martin Luther King national holiday.

Ranger

imaginative said:

Best thing Romney can do right now is to basically shut-up and get out-of-the way. This is going to take obama down if allowed to play out. It has plenty of inertia without Romney's assistance.

As soon as Romney starts talking the MSM will skew his words and paint him as the bad guy. Imagine what the MSM would be running if this treasonous incident occurred under GWB

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Quoted for truth because the above post is 100% correct on all points!